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	<title>Comments on: Private Equity Eats Avaya for $8.2 Billion and 3Com for $2.2 Billion. Burp.</title>
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		<title>By: Complete List of 2007 Web / Technology Acquisitions &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Complete List of 2007 Web / Technology Acquisitions &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that produces phone equipment and Internet-based communications for corporations. Press Release &#124; TechCrunch &#124; GigaOm&#124; Collaborative Thinking &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1663937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It'll be interesting to see when Silverlake flips Avaya to Cisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see when Silverlake flips Avaya to Cisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Xbox &#187; Comment on Private Equity Eats Avaya for $8.2 Billion and 3Com for &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1653096</link>
		<dc:creator>Xbox &#187; Comment on Private Equity Eats Avaya for $8.2 Billion and 3Com for &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptHowever, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptHowever, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Bootstrap Economist :: Microsoft and Facebook to Strengthen Strategic Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bootstrap Economist :: Microsoft and Facebook to Strengthen Strategic Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and did not have a viable plan to create value out of their investments. These overpayments increased the debt needed to complete the transaction, and while rates were low, interest payments were too high for companies to sustain themselves. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/...) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and did not have a viable plan to create value out of their investments. These overpayments increased the debt needed to complete the transaction, and while rates were low, interest payments were too high for companies to sustain themselves. (http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/&#8230;) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ballmer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1652133</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a lot of money, even for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a lot of money, even for me.</p>
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		<title>By: dweezel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651813</link>
		<dc:creator>dweezel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3COM deal represents a relative tightening in the private equity market after it began spiraling out of control a few years ago. From the WSJ article posted in this entry:

"It also helped that the total debt only amounts to four times cash flow, according to people close to the deal. In addition, the buyers are putting up more than half of the purchase price, much higher than the typical private-equity deal."

A typical PE deal involves buying a company for 4-5x cash flow or EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) and injecting 20-30% of its own equity. The remaining equity would be borrowed from the banks and the debt would become part of the acquired company. This allowed investors to make small improvements to the acquired companies to improve performance and recuperate their investment. 

However, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and did not have a viable plan to create value out of their investments. These overpayments increased the debt needed to complete the transaction, and while rates were low, interest payments were too high for companies to sustain themselves. 

Although I don't have a lot of knowledge about the networking infrastructure market, the deal itself is conservative and it appears that Bain and Huawei have a plan for 3COM. It is important to remember that the way to be successful in any business is to see value in companies that most people do not. While Cisco may have the market cornered at this point, the right strategic alliances and acquisitions could create competition for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3COM deal represents a relative tightening in the private equity market after it began spiraling out of control a few years ago. From the WSJ article posted in this entry:</p>
<p>&#8220;It also helped that the total debt only amounts to four times cash flow, according to people close to the deal. In addition, the buyers are putting up more than half of the purchase price, much higher than the typical private-equity deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>A typical PE deal involves buying a company for 4-5x cash flow or EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization) and injecting 20-30% of its own equity. The remaining equity would be borrowed from the banks and the debt would become part of the acquired company. This allowed investors to make small improvements to the acquired companies to improve performance and recuperate their investment. </p>
<p>However, over the past few years low interest rates made borrowing funds cheaper for the PE investors, and they began to overpay for companies. Prior to the subprime crisis, investors were paying upwards of 15x EBITDA for companies and did not have a viable plan to create value out of their investments. These overpayments increased the debt needed to complete the transaction, and while rates were low, interest payments were too high for companies to sustain themselves. </p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t have a lot of knowledge about the networking infrastructure market, the deal itself is conservative and it appears that Bain and Huawei have a plan for 3COM. It is important to remember that the way to be successful in any business is to see value in companies that most people do not. While Cisco may have the market cornered at this point, the right strategic alliances and acquisitions could create competition for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>update on TC40 videos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>update on TC40 videos?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651431</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 Sramana,

After reading some of your posts you know the space well. HOWEVER, you fail to realize that Cisco is the king of the space, who does not think twice about making acquisitions whether defensive or buying innovation.

You said...."Now, the game is very different, and this is going to be a massive price-war, a game at which only the Chinese can compete and win."

Yes and No. What would happen if Cisco acquired Digium? It would make Bain and Huwaei write of their $2.2B acquisition as a loss. It is that simple!!! On the other hand if I was working at a technology private equity firm such as Silver Lake Partners I would be on a plane to "Sweet Home Alabama" Monday morning to explore Digium a little closer. Yes, Silver Lake in my opinion understands the real risks associated with buying into this space via Avaya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 Sramana,</p>
<p>After reading some of your posts you know the space well. HOWEVER, you fail to realize that Cisco is the king of the space, who does not think twice about making acquisitions whether defensive or buying innovation.</p>
<p>You said&#8230;.&#8221;Now, the game is very different, and this is going to be a massive price-war, a game at which only the Chinese can compete and win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes and No. What would happen if Cisco acquired Digium? It would make Bain and Huwaei write of their $2.2B acquisition as a loss. It is that simple!!! On the other hand if I was working at a technology private equity firm such as Silver Lake Partners I would be on a plane to &#8220;Sweet Home Alabama&#8221; Monday morning to explore Digium a little closer. Yes, Silver Lake in my opinion understands the real risks associated with buying into this space via Avaya.</p>
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		<title>By: chughes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651146</link>
		<dc:creator>chughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like your headline, Eric! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like your headline, Eric! <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sramana Mitra</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651054</link>
		<dc:creator>Sramana Mitra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's my analysis:
http://sramanamitra.com/2007/09/28/3com-is-now-really-going-after-cisco/

Sramana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my analysis:<br />
<a href="http://sramanamitra.com/2007/09/28/3com-is-now-really-going-after-cisco/" rel="nofollow">http://sramanamitra.com/2007/0.....ter-cisco/</a></p>
<p>Sramana</p>
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		<title>By: AnonTroll</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1651051</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonTroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Techcrunch's main focus is doing stories on Web 2.0 companies only, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Techcrunch&#8217;s main focus is doing stories on Web 2.0 companies only, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650995</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. 

Do not know much about Huawai, but a minority stake I think can be hardly consider "ascendancy". Don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. </p>
<p>Do not know much about Huawai, but a minority stake I think can be hardly consider &#8220;ascendancy&#8221;. Don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650970</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure this is the "ascendancy of China" quite yet - Huawei is certainly a beast, and a ruthless one at that, but they're not quite ready to take on the US market - not quite yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure this is the &#8220;ascendancy of China&#8221; quite yet - Huawei is certainly a beast, and a ruthless one at that, but they&#8217;re not quite ready to take on the US market - not quite yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650956</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two LOSER companies. Both got their ASS handed to them by Cisco. And now companies such as Fonality, ShoreTel and Digium are whooping them all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two LOSER companies. Both got their ASS handed to them by Cisco. And now companies such as Fonality, ShoreTel and Digium are whooping them all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Private Equity Eats Avaya for $8.2 Billion and 3Com for $2.2 Billion. Burp. &#160;&#187;TechAddress</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650939</link>
		<dc:creator>Private Equity Eats Avaya for $8.2 Billion and 3Com for $2.2 Billion. Burp. &#160;&#187;TechAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source:Techcrunch  Two big private equity deals today. Shareholders finally approved the $8.2 billion buyout of Avaya by Silver Lake Partners and the Texas Pacific Group (not bad for an IP phone company that once was part of Lucent). And 3Com, the perpetually money-losing maker of computer networking equipment and competitor of Cisco Systems, has [&#8230;]  Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source:Techcrunch  Two big private equity deals today. Shareholders finally approved the $8.2 billion buyout of Avaya by Silver Lake Partners and the Texas Pacific Group (not bad for an IP phone company that once was part of Lucent). And 3Com, the perpetually money-losing maker of computer networking equipment and competitor of Cisco Systems, has [&#8230;]  Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zuggu.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650929</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuggu.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was cheap for 3com !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was cheap for 3com !</p>
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		<title>By: cweeb</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/28/private-equity-eats-avaya-for-82-billion-and-3com-for-22b-burp/#comment-1650924</link>
		<dc:creator>cweeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And DEMO gets their videos up earlier than TC40, even though TC40 happened over a week ago, BURP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And DEMO gets their videos up earlier than TC40, even though TC40 happened over a week ago, BURP</p>
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