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	<title>Comments on: Record Industry Proves Again How Much They&#8217;ve Lost The Plot</title>
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		<title>By: Ron Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just bidness!  The CD ringtone product is targeting a niche market, but a rather large and lucrative forgotten &quot;niche&quot; market.  Namely, the &quot;niche&quot; is the older music lovers/buyers that the industry turned it&#039;s back on when it fired established acts, consolidated power even more, and hired all those pretty faces and 14 year old artists.  CD sales tanked over 5 years because of that and stubborn industry denial on the digital front, and CD&#039;s are still in the tank.  But the market is still out there... older people don&#039;t stop listening to cd&#039;s, guys.  And why should they... all that equipment and great music, man!  The biz is just trying to make some bucks... and learn from their mistakes!  Not change the world again.  We&#039;re all in this together.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just bidness!  The CD ringtone product is targeting a niche market, but a rather large and lucrative forgotten &#8220;niche&#8221; market.  Namely, the &#8220;niche&#8221; is the older music lovers/buyers that the industry turned it&#8217;s back on when it fired established acts, consolidated power even more, and hired all those pretty faces and 14 year old artists.  CD sales tanked over 5 years because of that and stubborn industry denial on the digital front, and CD&#8217;s are still in the tank.  But the market is still out there&#8230; older people don&#8217;t stop listening to cd&#8217;s, guys.  And why should they&#8230; all that equipment and great music, man!  The biz is just trying to make some bucks&#8230; and learn from their mistakes!  Not change the world again.  We&#8217;re all in this together.  Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Ringle all the way&#8230; to the toilet &#124; The BLIPS Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ringle all the way&#8230; to the toilet &#124; The BLIPS Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alec Saunders, Engadget, and TechCrunch. Like them, I agree &#8211; it is a stupid [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they have run out of options and imagination.</description>
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		<title>By: Kazelvrj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kazelvrj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CD-singeln får konstgjord andning med &#8220;ringle&#8221; &#124; Skivkoll.se</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD-singeln får konstgjord andning med &#8220;ringle&#8221; &#124; Skivkoll.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Läs vad TechCrunch har att säga om saken. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Record Industry Proves Again How Much They&#8217;ve Lost The Plot &#124; pure roon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-2013888</link>
		<dc:creator>Record Industry Proves Again How Much They&#8217;ve Lost The Plot &#124; pure roon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Quote &#8220;The latest brainwave from an industry that continues to bleed revenue is the Ringle: a product that combines the single format with ringtones. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Night Coder - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Programming - Powered by SocialRank</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Night Coder - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Programming - Powered by SocialRank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Рингтоновое вымогательство</title>
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		<dc:creator>Рингтоновое вымогательство</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Да, это могло бы еще более осложнить и без того натянутые отношения Apple с музыкальными лейблами (и с компаниями, которые входят в их конгломераты, например, NBC), но причина таких отношений заключается в том, что директора этих компаний — упрямые глупцы, которые заинтересованы только в том, чтобы сохранять устоявшийся порядок вещей, и которые абсолютно не уважают клиентов. Сложно спорить с &#8220;гениями&#8221;, которые придумали &#8220;ринглы&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Да, это могло бы еще более осложнить и без того натянутые отношения Apple с музыкальными лейблами (и с компаниями, которые входят в их конгломераты, например, NBC), но причина таких отношений заключается в том, что директора этих компаний — упрямые глупцы, которые заинтересованы только в том, чтобы сохранять устоявшийся порядок вещей, и которые абсолютно не уважают клиентов. Сложно спорить с &#8220;гениями&#8221;, которые придумали &#8220;ринглы&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, when I first heard about this I thought there was a tie-in with Pringles potato chips which would account for a splashier impact as they attempt to drive sales to these products.  Unfortunately the stores must be the ones most humiliated of all as they will likely take up more space than frontline over priced CD Product (tucked) behind the DVD product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, when I first heard about this I thought there was a tie-in with Pringles potato chips which would account for a splashier impact as they attempt to drive sales to these products.  Unfortunately the stores must be the ones most humiliated of all as they will likely take up more space than frontline over priced CD Product (tucked) behind the DVD product.</p>
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		<title>By: Broadcast Buzz 9/11/07 at RadioInsight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broadcast Buzz 9/11/07 at RadioInsight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dangitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dangitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hornswaggled wrote:

&quot;Ringtones are generally liked and purchased by people under 30. These same people generally have a higher technology IQ&quot;

They do?

People of that age mostly seem rather retarded when it comes to technology. Sure, they all use their mobile phones constantly, but few of them seem to have any idea of how technology works. What kind of a technologically-savvy person would choose to be a slave to their mobile phone, anyway? Technology is supposed to be there to help us.

Wheras people over 30 often grew up in the era when you actually had to know how a computer works to operate it, and even know a bit of programming. I&#039;d say 30 to 50 would be the primary age-bracket for high-tech literacy.

If you could other forms of technology than just computers, it gets even worse. People in even older age brackets know how to do their own mechanical work - whether it be  on a car or other mechanical/electrical item. How many 20-somethings ever do mechanical work on their car?

Heck, I have my doubts that some of these &quot;tech savvy&quot; youngsters could even change a lightglobe. They don&#039;t seem to know much beyond sending an SMS message, or using Windows and perhaps Limewire or Bittorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hornswaggled wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ringtones are generally liked and purchased by people under 30. These same people generally have a higher technology IQ&#8221;</p>
<p>They do?</p>
<p>People of that age mostly seem rather retarded when it comes to technology. Sure, they all use their mobile phones constantly, but few of them seem to have any idea of how technology works. What kind of a technologically-savvy person would choose to be a slave to their mobile phone, anyway? Technology is supposed to be there to help us.</p>
<p>Wheras people over 30 often grew up in the era when you actually had to know how a computer works to operate it, and even know a bit of programming. I&#8217;d say 30 to 50 would be the primary age-bracket for high-tech literacy.</p>
<p>If you could other forms of technology than just computers, it gets even worse. People in even older age brackets know how to do their own mechanical work &#8211; whether it be  on a car or other mechanical/electrical item. How many 20-somethings ever do mechanical work on their car?</p>
<p>Heck, I have my doubts that some of these &#8220;tech savvy&#8221; youngsters could even change a lightglobe. They don&#8217;t seem to know much beyond sending an SMS message, or using Windows and perhaps Limewire or Bittorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: dsandler.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsandler.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Scene from a hospital room....&lt;/strong&gt;

(With apologies to the Fireball.)


SCENE: A hospital room.
THE CD SINGLE, quinquagenarian and pale, sits on a bed, attached to a bewildering array of chattering and beeping monitors: pulse, temperature, accounts receivable.  The old boy may be bar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Scene from a hospital room&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>(With apologies to the Fireball.)</p>
<p>SCENE: A hospital room.<br />
THE CD SINGLE, quinquagenarian and pale, sits on a bed, attached to a bewildering array of chattering and beeping monitors: pulse, temperature, accounts receivable.  The old boy may be bar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Save 99c on iTunes ringtones - Affiliate Marketing Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Save 99c on iTunes ringtones - Affiliate Marketing Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] used to it. In the long run you&#039;ll save hundreds.   Also, Sony BMG music&#039;s plan to sell &#039;single&#039; CDs containing a hit song, a remix, and a ringtone for $7, which I&#039;m sure anyone can tell is doomed to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] used to it. In the long run you&#8217;ll save hundreds.   Also, Sony BMG music&#8217;s plan to sell &#8217;single&#8217; CDs containing a hit song, a remix, and a ringtone for $7, which I&#8217;m sure anyone can tell is doomed to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that any attempt by the music industry to actually make money will be greeted with anger and derision. No one will be happy until the headline reads, &quot;All music now free. Music labels agree to continue financing recordings with no financial expectations&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that any attempt by the music industry to actually make money will be greeted with anger and derision. No one will be happy until the headline reads, &#8220;All music now free. Music labels agree to continue financing recordings with no financial expectations&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: abstraktron</title>
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		<dc:creator>abstraktron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget that the people who will buy these rtones, and they will buy them, are the same people who spend 4-5 hours a day in front of MTV watching the real world, and subscribing to that lame textmsging joke scam (repeatedly)...

-A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget that the people who will buy these rtones, and they will buy them, are the same people who spend 4-5 hours a day in front of MTV watching the real world, and subscribing to that lame textmsging joke scam (repeatedly)&#8230;</p>
<p>-A</p>
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		<title>By: chrisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, those dudes are nutz... definitely been smoken&#039; that bubonic chronic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BEz87IG4Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, those dudes are nutz&#8230; definitely been smoken&#8217; that bubonic chronic: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BEz87IG4Q" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BEz87IG4Q'>http://www.yout...h?v=L6BEz87IG4Q</a></p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disgree. The costs of putting music on a CD for that industry is probably very, very low given that they&#039;ve already got much of what is needed in place to produce, and the music is already been recorded, etc., so there won&#039;t be any of that cost involved (as with traditional CDs). It&#039;s highly unlikely that they&#039;d put a huge marketing and PR push into this initiative - it&#039;s more than likely going to be something sold at check out lines for people seeking stocking stuffers, notoriously a no-brainer for companies to make money. Like your grandma, or your mom, or the other HUGE amount of the population that don&#039;t know (or care) that you can just download ringtones. Think of this like the little bits of candy, stickers, etc. that&#039;s already in these areas of the store now. I also highly doubt they&#039;re going to mass produce this idea, which eliminates some of the arguments above. 

I think it becomes really easy for all of us in tech to assume the rest of the population has caught on to the things we&#039;ve caught on, and thinking otherwise is just plain ignorant. Go outside of our little world and nobody knows what Twitter is, nobody knows what TechCrunch is, even, and lots of people don&#039;t know that others download music. That&#039;s what the record industry knows that you apparently do not.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a great idea, really, but I bet it was super super cheap enough for them to see margins. And, really, they&#039;re probably not banking on the &quot;ringle&quot; to save the industry - it&#039;s more like making a little extra money out of what they&#039;ve already got. I think the name is the only thing that is completely stupid in all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disgree. The costs of putting music on a CD for that industry is probably very, very low given that they&#8217;ve already got much of what is needed in place to produce, and the music is already been recorded, etc., so there won&#8217;t be any of that cost involved (as with traditional CDs). It&#8217;s highly unlikely that they&#8217;d put a huge marketing and PR push into this initiative &#8211; it&#8217;s more than likely going to be something sold at check out lines for people seeking stocking stuffers, notoriously a no-brainer for companies to make money. Like your grandma, or your mom, or the other HUGE amount of the population that don&#8217;t know (or care) that you can just download ringtones. Think of this like the little bits of candy, stickers, etc. that&#8217;s already in these areas of the store now. I also highly doubt they&#8217;re going to mass produce this idea, which eliminates some of the arguments above. </p>
<p>I think it becomes really easy for all of us in tech to assume the rest of the population has caught on to the things we&#8217;ve caught on, and thinking otherwise is just plain ignorant. Go outside of our little world and nobody knows what Twitter is, nobody knows what TechCrunch is, even, and lots of people don&#8217;t know that others download music. That&#8217;s what the record industry knows that you apparently do not.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a great idea, really, but I bet it was super super cheap enough for them to see margins. And, really, they&#8217;re probably not banking on the &#8220;ringle&#8221; to save the industry &#8211; it&#8217;s more like making a little extra money out of what they&#8217;ve already got. I think the name is the only thing that is completely stupid in all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarasvatia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarasvatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone said no cost? how do you figure? they have to pay the toonsmith for the right to use, the staff at their own company to make this happen: legal, bizaffairs, marketing, publicity, sales; there&#039;s the bill for the energy to run the computers that carry the stupid ideas between the idiot exex, they have to pay for water in their coffee cups, too...
then there&#039;s distribution: the stores don&#039;t sell stuff for their health, ya know...
let&#039;s not forget the cost of manufacturing: the material, energy, workers on the chain gang, their overpaid corporate wonks. In short: the idea is proof that american corporations are hiring cheap uneducated twitty labour cretins like such as friends of Miss teen usa&#039;s friends... (sigh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone said no cost? how do you figure? they have to pay the toonsmith for the right to use, the staff at their own company to make this happen: legal, bizaffairs, marketing, publicity, sales; there&#8217;s the bill for the energy to run the computers that carry the stupid ideas between the idiot exex, they have to pay for water in their coffee cups, too&#8230;<br />
then there&#8217;s distribution: the stores don&#8217;t sell stuff for their health, ya know&#8230;<br />
let&#8217;s not forget the cost of manufacturing: the material, energy, workers on the chain gang, their overpaid corporate wonks. In short: the idea is proof that american corporations are hiring cheap uneducated twitty labour cretins like such as friends of Miss teen usa&#8217;s friends&#8230; (sigh)</p>
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		<title>By: BikerDan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-1609743</link>
		<dc:creator>BikerDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiocy.  Sheer idiocy.</description>
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		<title>By: Scooter</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-1609705</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems idiotic to me... but the world is full of idiots that spend their money on  ringtones from all kinds of sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems idiotic to me&#8230; but the world is full of idiots that spend their money on  ringtones from all kinds of sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Björn Wilmsmann</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-1609703</link>
		<dc:creator>Björn Wilmsmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With ideas like this, one really wonders how these companies managed to become that successful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With ideas like this, one really wonders how these companies managed to become that successful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Warila</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-1609613</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Warila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the domains are gone (www.ringle.com)...

I posted something on this a week or two ago, but I have moved since...

THE DONGLE not a freaking ringle - IS WHAT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY NEEDS!

How does the dongle (or any other secure token) disrupt the digital music world? Here’s how: artists or labels put everything (music, pictures, video, messaging, ticket deals, etc.) behind a secure wall on the web, and consumers have to buy a dongle to go behind the wall. The dongle costs $5 to $25.00 per artist and it expires in one year. Once behind the wall, dinner is served. Consumers can download, interact, stream and play unfettered and unlimited – until the dongle is pulled from the USB port of the client computer. It’s beautiful; dongles could be gifted, hung from a keychain, branded, collected, shipped, shared, swapped, etc.

I have an entire post on this one...
http://www.unsprungartists.com/unsprung_wisdom/2007/7/6/2007-dongle-saves-music-industry.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the domains are gone (www.ringle.com)&#8230;</p>
<p>I posted something on this a week or two ago, but I have moved since&#8230;</p>
<p>THE DONGLE not a freaking ringle &#8211; IS WHAT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY NEEDS!</p>
<p>How does the dongle (or any other secure token) disrupt the digital music world? Here’s how: artists or labels put everything (music, pictures, video, messaging, ticket deals, etc.) behind a secure wall on the web, and consumers have to buy a dongle to go behind the wall. The dongle costs $5 to $25.00 per artist and it expires in one year. Once behind the wall, dinner is served. Consumers can download, interact, stream and play unfettered and unlimited – until the dongle is pulled from the USB port of the client computer. It’s beautiful; dongles could be gifted, hung from a keychain, branded, collected, shipped, shared, swapped, etc.</p>
<p>I have an entire post on this one&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.unsprungartists.com/unsprung_wisdom/2007/7/6/2007-dongle-saves-music-industry.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.unsprungartists.com/unsprung_wisdom/2007/7/6/2007-dongle-saves-music-industry.html'>http://www.unsp...c-industry.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: FredTheSwiss</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/10/record-industry-proves-again-how-much-theyve-lost-the-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-1609593</link>
		<dc:creator>FredTheSwiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys must earn so much money to be so creative...

Thanks for staying as innovative as you are and let hungry companies eat your steak. :)

How will the non-techie-target-group transfer the music from their CD to their phone without the help of a geek?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys must earn so much money to be so creative&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for staying as innovative as you are and let hungry companies eat your steak. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How will the non-techie-target-group transfer the music from their CD to their phone without the help of a geek?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ballmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a steve Jobs idea.



http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a steve Jobs idea.</p>
<p><a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com'>http://fakestev...er.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3
There are many incremental costs associated with this.
What are they paying for the CDs that don&#039;t sell?
How much does the warehousing cost for the time it takes them to realize that Ringles are a flop?
Hiring a disposal company to shred and landfill the CDs won&#039;t be cheap.

Extremely low incremental cost would be attainable by allowing consumers to purchase the song they want, a older song from the same artist and a ringtone online and doing with them as they please.

@43
There is nothing wrong with their &quot;moving units&quot; paradigm.  They just need to come up with new and realistic ways of implementing it.  This is partly kind of new but not realistic.  Ad revenue is not the answer for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@3<br />
There are many incremental costs associated with this.<br />
What are they paying for the CDs that don&#8217;t sell?<br />
How much does the warehousing cost for the time it takes them to realize that Ringles are a flop?<br />
Hiring a disposal company to shred and landfill the CDs won&#8217;t be cheap.</p>
<p>Extremely low incremental cost would be attainable by allowing consumers to purchase the song they want, a older song from the same artist and a ringtone online and doing with them as they please.</p>
<p>@43<br />
There is nothing wrong with their &#8220;moving units&#8221; paradigm.  They just need to come up with new and realistic ways of implementing it.  This is partly kind of new but not realistic.  Ad revenue is not the answer for everything.</p>
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