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	<title>Comments on: Desperation Time? Synthasite Gives Stock Away To Users</title>
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		<title>By: HXrooms</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-2584402</link>
		<dc:creator>HXrooms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A website builder is essentially for exactly that - building a website. With synthasite, your user account allows &#039;you&#039; to log on, and update the site(s) from a pretty cool interface, with some nice features.

A CMS, however, when used correctly, is intended for use by multiple authors working on the same site, including defining workflows, user permissions (author, editor, administrator etc) - and allowing for full devolved publishing, timed auto publishes, and the provision of full content audits (ie what was edited, when, by who, with the option to rollback to previous versions) - synthasite doesn&#039;t give you this facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A website builder is essentially for exactly that &#8211; building a website. With synthasite, your user account allows &#8216;you&#8217; to log on, and update the site(s) from a pretty cool interface, with some nice features.</p>
<p>A CMS, however, when used correctly, is intended for use by multiple authors working on the same site, including defining workflows, user permissions (author, editor, administrator etc) &#8211; and allowing for full devolved publishing, timed auto publishes, and the provision of full content audits (ie what was edited, when, by who, with the option to rollback to previous versions) &#8211; synthasite doesn&#8217;t give you this facility.</p>
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		<title>By: SynthaSite Launches New Interface To Simplify WYSIWYG Site Creation</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-2404768</link>
		<dc:creator>SynthaSite Launches New Interface To Simplify WYSIWYG Site Creation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (and somewhat bizarre) move of giving away some of its stock away to users, prompting Michael to question if it was becoming desperate. The site later raised $5 million, allaying these concerns. SynthaSite [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (and somewhat bizarre) move of giving away some of its stock away to users, prompting Michael to question if it was becoming desperate. The site later raised $5 million, allaying these concerns. SynthaSite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: $5 Million For Synthasite</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-2034530</link>
		<dc:creator>$5 Million For Synthasite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I guess Synthasite wasn&#8217;t all that desperate after all. The South African company has raised a $5 million round of financing to support their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I guess Synthasite wasn&#8217;t all that desperate after all. The South African company has raised a $5 million round of financing to support their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: clyde</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1597668</link>
		<dc:creator>clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vinny - you say &#039;you will be able to easily build and publish a website&#039; etc. not if the app is unusable. end of story.  

oh yeah: is there a difference between a website builder and a cms? or what am i missing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vinny &#8211; you say &#8216;you will be able to easily build and publish a website&#8217; etc. not if the app is unusable. end of story.  </p>
<p>oh yeah: is there a difference between a website builder and a cms? or what am i missing here?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Moniatte</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1597361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Moniatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By unusable, I meant that the interface is way too cluttered and complicated to be used by the masses. And I do not think that a CMS can be an after thought element of a website builder. It needs be the centerpiece. Whatever. My 2 cents. Great PR though :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By unusable, I meant that the interface is way too cluttered and complicated to be used by the masses. And I do not think that a CMS can be an after thought element of a website builder. It needs be the centerpiece. Whatever. My 2 cents. Great PR though <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vinny Lingham</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1596512</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Lingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jean

Our service is currently in Alpha, for stability testing purposes.  The Synthasite Beta is only launching on the 5th of November.  We won&#039;t however have a CMS available in the Beta, but shortly thereafter.  

You will be able to easily build and easily publish a website using Synthasite in the Beta.

Vinny

http://www.vinnylingham.com/2007/08/synthasite-to-launch-beta-on-guy-fawkes-day.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jean</p>
<p>Our service is currently in Alpha, for stability testing purposes.  The Synthasite Beta is only launching on the 5th of November.  We won&#8217;t however have a CMS available in the Beta, but shortly thereafter.  </p>
<p>You will be able to easily build and easily publish a website using Synthasite in the Beta.</p>
<p>Vinny</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vinnylingham.com/2007/08/synthasite-to-launch-beta-on-guy-fawkes-day.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.vinnylingham.com/2007/08/synthasite-to-launch-beta-on-guy-fawkes-day.html'>http://www.vinn...fawkes-day.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Moniatte</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1595694</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Moniatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the application itself? Have you guys tried it? I am the developer of a small business website builder and CMS, but failed at creating a website using their service. It is simply unusable. I do not get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the application itself? Have you guys tried it? I am the developer of a small business website builder and CMS, but failed at creating a website using their service. It is simply unusable. I do not get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ballmer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1594020</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nop such thing as free.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nop such thing as free.<br />
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com'>http://fakestev...er.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593927</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outdated SEC rules and regs, SOX, and a variety of other reasons are driving small companies to list shares overseas, ie: AIM in London. Here in the U.S. about the only hope a small company has is for it to be heavily funded by greedy VCs. I agree, a private, membership website could handle small start up funding auctions. Who says it is illegal for members of an organization to do busines with members of that same organization. I don&#039;t mean investment clubs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outdated SEC rules and regs, SOX, and a variety of other reasons are driving small companies to list shares overseas, ie: AIM in London. Here in the U.S. about the only hope a small company has is for it to be heavily funded by greedy VCs. I agree, a private, membership website could handle small start up funding auctions. Who says it is illegal for members of an organization to do busines with members of that same organization. I don&#8217;t mean investment clubs.</p>
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		<title>By: cheesygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593827</link>
		<dc:creator>cheesygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:CambrianHouse, Yeah you are right about it being a sign of desperation, and one that didn&#039;t work out for them. To date they still haven&#039;t done anything!

I think it&#039;s a silly idea to give part of your company away just to attract people. If your product is good enough you shouldn&#039;t have to give your company away. Next thing you know your stock will be printed on toilet paper for people to wipe with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:CambrianHouse, Yeah you are right about it being a sign of desperation, and one that didn&#8217;t work out for them. To date they still haven&#8217;t done anything!</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a silly idea to give part of your company away just to attract people. If your product is good enough you shouldn&#8217;t have to give your company away. Next thing you know your stock will be printed on toilet paper for people to wipe with.</p>
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		<title>By: crowdsourcer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593484</link>
		<dc:creator>crowdsourcer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Cambrian House did it, it was a sign of desperation: http://www.cambrianhouse.com/press-releases/20070416_equity_sharing_with_community_expo_2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Cambrian House did it, it was a sign of desperation: <a href="http://www.cambrianhouse.com/press-releases/20070416_equity_sharing_with_community_expo_2/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.cambrianhouse.com/press-releases/20070416_equity_sharing_with_community_expo_2/'>http://www.camb...mmunity_expo_2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593389</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody should take this idea of &quot;reserving shares&quot; and make a trading website out of it, in the face of the SEC and Canadian finance ministry. Until they get shut down. It would be wildly popular, and if enough people that used it complained, maybe we could get the laws changed.

The fact that we can&#039;t do what Synthasite is doing is part of the reason some of us can&#039;t grow our companies into mega portals. The laws help the big companies and make it next to impossible for smaller companies to compete.

If a startup took this idea and did it for real in the face of the SEC and Canada finance, I would consider joining. If they put in the time to do the legal research and make sure that putting the shares &quot;aside&quot; did not give the &quot;shareholders to be&quot; any lien on the company.

@RBA
&quot;Nobody here is talking about what you do.&quot;

I *still* have no idea what this website does. I stopped reading where it said they were trading outside the norms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody should take this idea of &#8220;reserving shares&#8221; and make a trading website out of it, in the face of the SEC and Canadian finance ministry. Until they get shut down. It would be wildly popular, and if enough people that used it complained, maybe we could get the laws changed.</p>
<p>The fact that we can&#8217;t do what Synthasite is doing is part of the reason some of us can&#8217;t grow our companies into mega portals. The laws help the big companies and make it next to impossible for smaller companies to compete.</p>
<p>If a startup took this idea and did it for real in the face of the SEC and Canada finance, I would consider joining. If they put in the time to do the legal research and make sure that putting the shares &#8220;aside&#8221; did not give the &#8220;shareholders to be&#8221; any lien on the company.</p>
<p>@RBA<br />
&#8220;Nobody here is talking about what you do.&#8221;</p>
<p>I *still* have no idea what this website does. I stopped reading where it said they were trading outside the norms.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593347</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an early beta tester of JVMs on RedHat and before it went public they offer me 300 shares. The time I did not have the $$$ to do it, and boy ... would I have liked to do it.

This is, I think, just a way to get people more engaged and earlier adoption to happen by vesting people. Great move!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an early beta tester of JVMs on RedHat and before it went public they offer me 300 shares. The time I did not have the $$$ to do it, and boy &#8230; would I have liked to do it.</p>
<p>This is, I think, just a way to get people more engaged and earlier adoption to happen by vesting people. Great move!!</p>
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		<title>By: RBA</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593342</link>
		<dc:creator>RBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that a startup really should focus on the product, building community, growing, acquiring clients by the means of the services offered and keeping existing ones. If you move forward with this, you&#039;re risking spending too much time on this instead on all the other *really important* stuff. It&#039;s not a bad idea, it&#039;s just not practical for a startup with limited resources. You&#039;re also creating a diversion - some PR expert may think otherwise but see? Nobody here is talking about what you do. In fact, I bet some of the people who have left a comment here don&#039;t even know what your site does or if asked by surprise may not even remember your company name.

There are many guerrilla marketing techniques you can use, and if you want to give back, the tried and true rev-share model might work.

Anyway, I wish you luck and hey, if you can pull it off, great. As others also mentioned, it would be nice to see more companies doing this, but there are reasons why they don&#039;t, and it has nothing to do with their willingness to &#039;give back&#039; or provide a sense of ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that a startup really should focus on the product, building community, growing, acquiring clients by the means of the services offered and keeping existing ones. If you move forward with this, you&#8217;re risking spending too much time on this instead on all the other *really important* stuff. It&#8217;s not a bad idea, it&#8217;s just not practical for a startup with limited resources. You&#8217;re also creating a diversion &#8211; some PR expert may think otherwise but see? Nobody here is talking about what you do. In fact, I bet some of the people who have left a comment here don&#8217;t even know what your site does or if asked by surprise may not even remember your company name.</p>
<p>There are many guerrilla marketing techniques you can use, and if you want to give back, the tried and true rev-share model might work.</p>
<p>Anyway, I wish you luck and hey, if you can pull it off, great. As others also mentioned, it would be nice to see more companies doing this, but there are reasons why they don&#8217;t, and it has nothing to do with their willingness to &#8216;give back&#8217; or provide a sense of ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593331</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, eBay would be the *ultimate* investment banker, because it could most accurately determine initial market value. In real time for going IPO.

The laws of the SEC in the USA and the Department of Finance in Canada were written like 80 years ago and have no bearing on the world we live in today. eBay would replace the NYSE if we could change the DAMN LAWS!
This is the only hope I have for our corp to go IPO, so let me dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, eBay would be the *ultimate* investment banker, because it could most accurately determine initial market value. In real time for going IPO.</p>
<p>The laws of the SEC in the USA and the Department of Finance in Canada were written like 80 years ago and have no bearing on the world we live in today. eBay would replace the NYSE if we could change the DAMN LAWS!<br />
This is the only hope I have for our corp to go IPO, so let me dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593325</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have T&amp;C’s on the blog post. The shares will be allocated but not issued, until the company is public, or paid out if acquired. We did this for exactly the risks as you have correctly defined.&quot;

So basically you are giving them a promise or an IOU for the shares.
But not actually issuing them any shares to give them any power or voting rights in the company.

It sounds shaky on both ends, but again, I wish you all the best.
I wish it was really that easy. I would sell shares of BeerCo Software on eBay, and &quot;be my own investment banker&quot; for my own IPO offering just like Google. If only it were that easy. Damn the SEC. DAMN THE SEC!!! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have T&amp;C’s on the blog post. The shares will be allocated but not issued, until the company is public, or paid out if acquired. We did this for exactly the risks as you have correctly defined.&#8221;</p>
<p>So basically you are giving them a promise or an IOU for the shares.<br />
But not actually issuing them any shares to give them any power or voting rights in the company.</p>
<p>It sounds shaky on both ends, but again, I wish you all the best.<br />
I wish it was really that easy. I would sell shares of BeerCo Software on eBay, and &#8220;be my own investment banker&#8221; for my own IPO offering just like Google. If only it were that easy. Damn the SEC. DAMN THE SEC!!! <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vinny Lingham</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593263</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Lingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments everyone, we will consult with our attorney&#039;s and ensure everything is compliant, in best interests of everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments everyone, we will consult with our attorney&#8217;s and ensure everything is compliant, in best interests of everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593245</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Velioncho - You are right - these novel approaches were first approved by the SEC at the peak of the bubble 1999/2000.  Nothing but lawsuits and SEC sanctions remain of these approaches. As enticing as these models can be - the devil is in the details.  I hope the guys from Synthasite have the regulatory approvals from the jurisdictions they operate.  Even if they are have approvals from their domicle jusrisdictions (in South Africa)- the SEC is not too accomodative of such approaches when these shares are distributed (or allocated as they would like to call them) in the US.  They blessed a few of these in the dot.com boom - and since have made known publicly their regrets with approving such offerings).  And don&#039;t count out the state by state approvals.  Shoot they could spend a 250K in attorney fees just trying to get the the filings done.  I still have a copy of the WSJ reporting the first of these approvals by the SEC...  I wish these guys the best - entreprenurial efforts needs all the help they can get - and luck too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Velioncho &#8211; You are right &#8211; these novel approaches were first approved by the SEC at the peak of the bubble 1999/2000.  Nothing but lawsuits and SEC sanctions remain of these approaches. As enticing as these models can be &#8211; the devil is in the details.  I hope the guys from Synthasite have the regulatory approvals from the jurisdictions they operate.  Even if they are have approvals from their domicle jusrisdictions (in South Africa)- the SEC is not too accomodative of such approaches when these shares are distributed (or allocated as they would like to call them) in the US.  They blessed a few of these in the dot.com boom &#8211; and since have made known publicly their regrets with approving such offerings).  And don&#8217;t count out the state by state approvals.  Shoot they could spend a 250K in attorney fees just trying to get the the filings done.  I still have a copy of the WSJ reporting the first of these approvals by the SEC&#8230;  I wish these guys the best &#8211; entreprenurial efforts needs all the help they can get &#8211; and luck too!</p>
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		<title>By: johnderby</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnderby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinny, 

The distinction between being &quot;allocated&quot; and being &quot;issued&quot; is too fine.  If people trust Synthasite, it might make sense that people will be ok with &quot;further assurances that if and when something ever happens we will take care of you so don&#039;t worry about the paper work.&quot;

On the other hand, if this is part of a program, you will need opinions on the securities and taxation implications for every jurisdiction that has a person to whom stock has been &quot;allocated.&quot;  Nothing will destroy your brand faster than an unwelcome letter to one of your participants from the SEC or IRS. (or the UK, French, Canadian, yada yada yada equivalents) in respect of this program.

I sincerely wish you guys well.  But this is a hairy area and to be blunt, it sounds like there is more homework required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinny, </p>
<p>The distinction between being &#8220;allocated&#8221; and being &#8220;issued&#8221; is too fine.  If people trust Synthasite, it might make sense that people will be ok with &#8220;further assurances that if and when something ever happens we will take care of you so don&#8217;t worry about the paper work.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, if this is part of a program, you will need opinions on the securities and taxation implications for every jurisdiction that has a person to whom stock has been &#8220;allocated.&#8221;  Nothing will destroy your brand faster than an unwelcome letter to one of your participants from the SEC or IRS. (or the UK, French, Canadian, yada yada yada equivalents) in respect of this program.</p>
<p>I sincerely wish you guys well.  But this is a hairy area and to be blunt, it sounds like there is more homework required.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Edwinson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593216</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Edwinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of a played out Web 1.0 type of product eh?  A lot like Homestead.com, Tripod and Geocities.

Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of a played out Web 1.0 type of product eh?  A lot like Homestead.com, Tripod and Geocities.</p>
<p>Casey</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny Lingham</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593115</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny Lingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify for everyone, who have not read the fine print:

The offer is that the shares are &quot;Allocated&quot; not &quot;Issued&quot;, until there is liquidity in the shares.  The liability will only occur once there is a transfer of value, and a subsequent gain.  Being allocated shares, and being issued shares are two separate events.

The idea here is not for people to make millions of dollars in shares, the idea is that people feel a sense of ownership and belonging, without the legal headaches, as there is no transfer of value, until there is liquidity in the shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify for everyone, who have not read the fine print:</p>
<p>The offer is that the shares are &#8220;Allocated&#8221; not &#8220;Issued&#8221;, until there is liquidity in the shares.  The liability will only occur once there is a transfer of value, and a subsequent gain.  Being allocated shares, and being issued shares are two separate events.</p>
<p>The idea here is not for people to make millions of dollars in shares, the idea is that people feel a sense of ownership and belonging, without the legal headaches, as there is no transfer of value, until there is liquidity in the shares.</p>
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		<title>By: sc</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593103</link>
		<dc:creator>sc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these shares are valued at $.25/share and get compensated in stock.. there may be a tax liability --- and you may end up paying taxes on this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these shares are valued at $.25/share and get compensated in stock.. there may be a tax liability &#8212; and you may end up paying taxes on this</p>
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		<title>By: Word Hugger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/04/desparation-time-synthasite-gives-stock-away-to-users/comment-page-1/#comment-1593084</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Hugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a great idea.  Revenue sharing made the buzz around Digitalpoint explode, and now digitalpoint is famous for its revenue sharing model.  Giving stocks away will &#039;probably&#039; bring the same buzz for their company.

I say, power to them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a great idea.  Revenue sharing made the buzz around Digitalpoint explode, and now digitalpoint is famous for its revenue sharing model.  Giving stocks away will &#8216;probably&#8217; bring the same buzz for their company.</p>
<p>I say, power to them!</p>
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		<title>By: IdeaTagger</title>
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		<dc:creator>IdeaTagger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This offer by SynthaSite and perhaps more so some of the comments to this post suggest that we are closer than I thought to the &quot;Future of Competition on the Internet&quot; that I posted about recently at: http://www.ideatagging.com/the-future-of-competition-on-the-internet/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This offer by SynthaSite and perhaps more so some of the comments to this post suggest that we are closer than I thought to the &#8220;Future of Competition on the Internet&#8221; that I posted about recently at: <a href="http://www.ideatagging.com/the-future-of-competition-on-the-internet/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.ideatagging.com/the-future-of-competition-on-the-internet/'>http://www.idea...n-the-internet/</a></p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the folks getting the shares realize that they will owe taxes on the value on the shares, regardless if they ever have any redeemable value or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the folks getting the shares realize that they will owe taxes on the value on the shares, regardless if they ever have any redeemable value or not.</p>
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