August 22, 2007

VideoEgg And Lots Of Others Call B.S. On YouTube

Michael Arrington

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VideoEgg’s overlay advertising system has been in the market for a year and is driving “significant” revenue for the company. it’s so successful, in fact, that they recently launched a Facebook advertising network based on the same technology.

The idea is to use a Flash overlay advertisement with some basic information and graphics that takes up a small part of the viewable video area. Users click the ad and get a more in depth video ad. It’s less intrusive than a pre or post roll ad, and has far better performance than ads placed around a video. It’s likely to become the standard way ads are placed on video, even potentially on normal television as the thirty second ad spot continues to decline.

Given VideoEgg’s success with the unit it’s no surprise that YouTube has adopted the same format with their advertising. But it is surprising that YouTube failed to give even a passing mention to the company that invented the unit. VideoEgg also claims to have a patent application on this - something YouTube will certainly have to deal with down the road.

Nick Carr points out that much of the early press on YouTube was written by people who failed to do their homework. Carr trashes a CNET article that he says was basically an ad for YouTube. CNET subsequently changed the title of their article but there is still no mention of VideoEgg’s invention of the unit

Meanwhile, VideoEgg seems to be handling the situation well and taking advantage of the publicity. They added the graphic above to their home page, and are talking to press about their product. Suddenly, everyone is interested.

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  1. Deals and Coupons

    I had no idea EggNetwork existed before this. Seems like it got the upper hand over YouTube. Does EggNetwork have a patent on video ad overlay?

  2. Aaronontheweb (AjaxNinja)

    Great to see Google carrying on its great tradition of stealing patented business models from someone else.

  3. Google PR

    The ads format look similar, but they are not exactly the same! We’re under heavy pressure from Wall Street to drive up our top line revenue. We missed last quarter’s earning, we have to make some quick cash!

  4. Jeff Vick

    ENOUGH with the f’ing crunchbase links Michael. I want to go to videoegg, not your aboutus directory. This is your attempt to build inbounds but enough is enough. How many people go to CB on error.

  5. Miki

    VideoEgg and others should “Shut the fuck up.”

  6. From the Internet

    I don’t think bragging that they were first in creating an intrusive advertising system for videos is something that is going to win VideoEgg many new users.

  7. Saintly

    Videoegg, get off your high horse and stop trying to compare yourself to Apple. I can name 2 other companies that provided this capability months before you did and they also filed patents months before you. So come on and grow up!!

  8. RB

    I find it amazing when companies lay claim to “inventing” obvious applications of technology, and find it amusing how media experts (and evidently the US Patent Office) so quickly and unquestioningly buy into these claims. Case in point, Amazon’s one-click checkout. As for video overlay advertising, it should be Macromedia/Adobe who gets credit for this invention, as they envisioned the need and created the technology that makes it possible. VideoEgg has merely made a trivial application of an existing technology.

  9. AceLife

    I agree w/Jeff Vick. Mike, please link to the actual website at times.

    lol @#5

  10. trevo

    True VideoEgg should get off its high horse… adding an ad-layer over a flash video isn’t rocket science and one could say that the “layer of ads” at the bottom in TV shows would be ample prior art that one schooled in the art would immediately be able to see how it would apply to flash video.

    However, Google should seriously be reprimanded for acting as if they came up with it. Its time the main stream press take down that halo they’ve put up above the Google name.

  11. Adam

    #2 is right on. Remember GoTo/Overture? Hello, AdWords…

  12. David Mackey

    So, if they are welcoming YouTube, will they also demand patent payments?

  13. Jon

    We don’t send a payment to the inventor of the nail and hammer each time we build something nor write about how great our society is because of them. This should be no different, especially considering it’s pigi-backing onto another companies technology.

    Jon

  14. Aaronontheweb (AjaxNinja)

    Adam,

    That’s exactly what I was referring to.

  15. Gary

    This is going to play out quite interestingly.

  16. Joe Temple

    Having an overlay on a video is old news and not really an invention - its laughable that VideoEgg claims to have pioneered it over a year ago, when the ability to do it has been available for years.

    Google crediting VideoEgg for this is as crazy as having to credit GNN or Hotwired whenever you add a banner ad to a website. That analogy doesn’t even work since VideoEgg aren’t to overlay in video what GNN and Hotwired were to banner ads

    If anything it just demonstrates just how weak the perceived VideoEgg advantage really is.

  17. DM

    You are misinformed Michael. I used to work at YouTube and I can tell you that a video overlay for advertising was discussed long ago inside the company. It should be pretty obvious — the fact that YouTube’s video player is Flash is what makes the overlay idea feasible. All other video sharing websites that came out around the time YouTube emerged were still using Quicktime or Windows Media. YouTube might as well accuse VideoEgg of stealing the idea of using a Flash video player.

  18. Jason Moy

    What is VideoEgg? Never heard of it until I read this article.

    By the way, my grandmother invented computers. Are you using one right now? She’s going to sue all of you.

  19. Sean

    VideoEgg gets 0/10 on the coolness factor for claiming to invent something. Whatever, who cares.

    I agree with others as well Michael - I really hate clicking on a link and going to crunchbase instead of the web site I’m expecting.

  20. Patent Drain

    If this is not enough to show the patent system is in a shambles and companies are spending more time filing worthless patents, I don’t know what is. Watch TV (TNT and USA Network come to mind) 5 years ago to see this ground breaking technology. Real thought leaders!

  21. alexanderpink

    WTF, who cares?

  22. Shambhu Borah

    This is how almost exactly how advertising has been placed in continuous TV sports broadcasts forever, especially soccer.

    I hate to say it, but only an American could take VideoEgg’s claim seriously even for a second. As for the bit about clicking, well that’s how the web works, right. Do they have an american patent? Ridiculous.

    What I found interesting was that You Tube will only display these ads on videos from their content partners, i.e., the legit videos.

  23. Shambhu Borah

    I say all that as a proud American, of course.

  24. Faisal

    4. Jeff Vick

    I second that.

  25. Joel Strellner

    Mike,

    From now on can you make the link actually go to the site, and then add a [cb] or other icon which you can click on to go to CrunchBase?

    I go to CrunchBase once in a while on purpose, but other times it is just to get to the real link.

    Oh, and the SnapShots thing is still annoying. In fact it made me lose my original comment to you. Please remove it and replace it with the CrunchBase link. If I wasn’t so stubborn in wanting to tell this message to you, I would have just not retyped it and no comment would have been made by me.

  26. wow

    great to see somoene copying a term ” ajax ninja ” like ” python ninja ” when the website itself is mostly coded from stolen framework !

  27. Karl Malone

    YouTube launched in Feb ‘05 with a site that isn’t too disimilar to what you see now (embedding, etc.). Video egg launched shortly afterwards, but for a long time was nothing more than a video upload site, used sometimes by bloggers (think Photobucket but video). The technology was ok, but rather simple (I had built a video uploader, transcoder and flash player for my own blog and it took a couple of days).

    The Videoegg product has changed a lot, and has gone through a few iterations. Right now their model is to provide video hosting, delivery, flash player and tools to sites in exchange for a split in the ad revenue

    VideoEgg were by no means the first to do flash video, nor the first to do video uploads into a flash player, nor the first to offer embedding, nor the first to go after bloggers. Having an overlay as a form of advertising has been discussed (along with pre-roll and post-roll) since those very early days - it is the reason why Macromedia built the capability into flash

    The reason why it hasn’t been done sooner is because there simply aren’t enough advertisers to fill this type of inventory. Even now when you go to a Videoegg-powered site you will see a lot of videos that dont do the overlay. Now that YouTube is at Google, they can tap into that huge base of advertisers they have and start filling up overlays.

    It is just common sense, and the reson that we are only starting to see it now is a question of timing rather than technology. I feel embarresed for Videoegg for trying to make the claim that they pioneered this space and that YouTube is a late follower - especially seeing it splashed across their website.

  28. sausage

    I call bullshit on VideoEgg making money on their ads. Has anyone ever seen a site running their units?

  29. Scott B

    27: I believe you’re a techcho, but you overlook something very important from a marketing view. Videoegg put in enough effort experimenting with in-video ads, and advertisers are happy with the CPM rates they are getting(the numbers don’t lie), that’s why in-video ads get momentum and youtube jumps in now with a duplicated model. Videoegg deserves the credit for their effort, and it’s a shame for google to claim they have come up with it. After all, the technology is so simple, why didn’t youtube experiment with it years ago?

  30. Troy Young

    Guys… let’s not blow this out of proportion. A few points to clarify our position…

    VideoEgg has not implied in any way that we would seek the protection of patents. In a conversation with a Wired reporter, i commented that we had filed a patent around our entire approach to video advertising which includes the ad overlay, pausing the user’s video, the ad video player, the menu ad, etc. We are interested in broad adoption of the approach and welcome any and all players to the market.

    Further… clearly Flash is an enabler to the approach we’ve taken… it is an enabler to millions of things that creative people develop each day. We took the technology, created an ad approach and were the first to take it to market and sell it to major advertisers. As far as anyone i have talked to is concerned, we were absolutely the first to commercialize this form of advertising.

    The apple parody is all in good fun with a side benefit or reminding the market we are innovators in online rich media advertising and will continue to find creative ways to bring brands into video and social environments.

    Troy

  31. Aaronontheweb (AjaxNinja)

    26,

    AjaxNinja just happens to be the name of my blog which uses free-for-use Wordpress themes :)

    As far as stolen framework, I don’t know what you’re referring to, given that the only “framework” I write about is ASP.NET

  32. johnliu

    I think VideoEgg did some interesting, and pretty innovative works in online advertisement, isn’t it?

  33. Upanisad

    Not really a big invention. Quite an obvious one. But it’s too intrusive and annoying in my opinion, just as TV advertising. A much more interesting approach, IMO, is this one: http://www.liverail.com

  34. techguy

    I just wanted to support the petition to stop linking to crunchbase.

  35. wankthis

    Boo Hoo, Videoegg. I think the obvious flash overlay is a nice solution. Glad to see your team feels as if their toes have been stepped on, you pompous fucking pricks.

  36. Bill

    They all use a feature of flash, so what?
    Should that make adobe jump out to claim something too?
    All the media want is something to hype about, isn’t it?

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    News just in:

    The estate of Thomas Edison to sue YouTube for use of the play button. The General Electric website updated with ‘Fuck YouTube, We Rock!’

  38. LonelyBloggers

    I agree that no matter who lays claim to whatever, its a great PR boost for VideoEgg as a largely unknown entitity to people that don’t follow the internet space closely. Ride the wave egg!

  39. jeremy liew

    VideoEgg should genuinely welcome Youtube and be happy that they adopted the online video overlay unit. They are the only players who have the scale and the relationships to turn overlays into a standard, which is good for everyone who sells the unit, including VideoEgg. More at the Lightspeed blog at http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007.....mpetitors/

  40. durech

    I would like to see more posts on techcrunch about network effects and different types of networks. I liked the coverage about facebook alias the career network. The features are not that important. Focus on google marketing network or ebays seller/buyer network.

  41. Tim

    Looks like they copied Apple’s old “Welcome IBM. Seriously.” ad they rain in a full page of the Wall Street Journal back in 1981 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kengz/198041571/), but they’re complaining about someone else copying them. Interesting.

  42. Pierre Foucart

    You guys are funny… “overlay for advertising was discussed long ago inside the company”… everybody did discuss about this… the idea is not to discuss, it’s to act. We thought about it too at Dailymotion.

    This whole “we’ve been first” thing is funny…
    What about AdSense? Did someone heard about GoTo?… Well for me it’s the same bullshit.

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