Comments on: Google To Increase Investment In China http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/ Startup and Technology News Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:35:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Alibaba.com To Raise $1.3 Billion From IPO http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1715447 Alibaba.com To Raise $1.3 Billion From IPO Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:09:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1715447 [...] closed at $314.95 for a market cap of $10.69 billion, nearly double the market cap the company had in August. Alibaba Loading information about [...] [...] closed at $314.95 for a market cap of $10.69 billion, nearly double the market cap the company had in August. Alibaba Loading information about [...]

]]> By: Google Takes Stake In Tianya.cn : Knurów http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1565239 Google Takes Stake In Tianya.cn : Knurów Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:27:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1565239 [...] reported August 17, Google stated its intention to acquire 1 or 2 China focused internet companies and invest in 5 [...] [...] reported August 17, Google stated its intention to acquire 1 or 2 China focused internet companies and invest in 5 [...]

]]> By: Google Takes Stake In Tianya.cn http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1565199 Google Takes Stake In Tianya.cn Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:05:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1565199 [...] reported August 17, Google stated its intention to acquire 1 or 2 China focused internet companies and invest in 5 [...] [...] reported August 17, Google stated its intention to acquire 1 or 2 China focused internet companies and invest in 5 [...]

]]> By: kundojjala http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1563295 kundojjala Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:13:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1563295 an inside look at Google China http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1230747464670307641&q=google+duration%3Along&total=239777&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4 an inside look at Google China
http://video.google.com/videop.....;plindex=4

]]> By: Tradewhat? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1563034 Tradewhat? Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:32:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1563034 Dominic: can you point me at case law establishing that the bundle of rights associated with a trademark would include the right to exclude Google from selling the ads it sells? I don't see any meaningful sense in which Google is selling anything they don't have the rights to; rather, they are selling exactly what they claim to be selling: ad placement in response to a user searching on particular words. There is no reasonable claim for confusion, either -- Google is not in the arline business, and the services it provides are not even in the same industrial sector. Or, as a thought experiment: suppose I set up a service in which you give me a string of words, and I say something back. My revenue comes from auctioning off the responses to particular strings -- for each particular input string the answer I give is the answer requested by that input string's current highest bidder. For this service, what grounds would American Airlines have against me if the current highest bidder on "American Airlines" had request "...sucks, try United Air" as the desired response? I ask because I don't see it, and it's hard to see where Google's search business differs materially from the service described here. And, as per usual with Google, let us always remember that they are not yet a convicted monopolist, and thus have great latitude: any site they include they include at their discretion; I suspect that American Airlines will feel fairly foolish chasing a specious trademark case were their web presences to be dropped to the third-or-fourth page of results. Dominic: can you point me at case law establishing that the bundle of rights associated with a trademark would include the right to exclude Google from selling the ads it sells?

I don’t see any meaningful sense in which Google is selling anything they don’t have the rights to; rather, they are selling exactly what they claim to be selling: ad placement in response to a user searching on particular words. There is no reasonable claim for confusion, either — Google is not in the arline business, and the services it provides are not even in the same industrial sector.

Or, as a thought experiment: suppose I set up a service in which you give me a string of words, and I say something back. My revenue comes from auctioning off the responses to particular strings — for each particular input string the answer I give is the answer requested by that input string’s current highest bidder. For this service, what grounds would American Airlines have against me if the current highest bidder on “American Airlines” had request “…sucks, try United Air” as the desired response? I ask because I don’t see it, and it’s hard to see where Google’s search business differs materially from the service described here.

And, as per usual with Google, let us always remember that they are not yet a convicted monopolist, and thus have great latitude: any site they include they include at their discretion; I suspect that American Airlines will feel fairly foolish chasing a specious trademark case were their web presences to be dropped to the third-or-fourth page of results.

]]> By: Daniel Primed http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562879 Daniel Primed Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:04:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562879 I think that this is an excellent move for Google. China is definetly where they should focus their attention. I use Baidu myself and its really helpful(I study Chinese). I think that this is an excellent move for Google. China is definetly where they should focus their attention. I use Baidu myself and its really helpful(I study Chinese).

]]> By: O.H. Krlll http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562538 O.H. Krlll Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:33:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562538 I heard the same thing cjwn said above from other people and I agree with them: Google's chinese language search engine totally sucks. Some people mentionned that netease would be the most likely aquisition target of google because they have a pretty good chinese language search engine technology that they just developped with yodao.com and that that is what google really needs. I agree with them that is what google really needs! I heard the same thing cjwn said above from other people and I agree with them: Google’s chinese language search engine totally sucks.

Some people mentionned that netease would be the most likely aquisition target of google because they have a pretty good chinese language search engine technology that they just developped with yodao.com and that that is what google really needs. I agree with them that is what google really needs!

]]> By: SEO in China http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562510 SEO in China Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:08:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562510 The acquisition strategy is a good thing but will not solve the problems of Google in China in the short term. And Google WILL NOT be allowed to buy Baidu :-) Check our blog at www.seo4china.com/blog , we write from time to time about Google and Baidu ;-) The acquisition strategy is a good thing but will not solve the problems of Google in China in the short term. And Google WILL NOT be allowed to buy Baidu :-)
Check our blog at http://www.seo4china.com/blog , we write from time to time about Google and Baidu ;-)

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562216 Joe Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:47:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1562216 Great Story Thanks<a href="http://www.aglocoinfo.org" rel="nofollow">.</a> Great Story Thanks.

]]> By: B S meter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561969 B S meter Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:00:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561969 Noticed the webbalert ad on the homepage... so for sh*ts and giggles I checked it out again. Sad to report that even with her "hotness" factor I couldn't get through it. Same ridiculous facial gestures, rushed presentation etc... btw, she should pull her hair back to make her face thinner and the dark eye shadow makes it look like she is not getting enough beauty sleep. sorry Mike, but you might as well reserve a spot in the deadpool for webbalert. Noticed the webbalert ad on the homepage… so for sh*ts and giggles I checked it out again. Sad to report that even with her “hotness” factor I couldn’t get through it. Same ridiculous facial gestures, rushed presentation etc… btw, she should pull her hair back to make her face thinner and the dark eye shadow makes it look like she is not getting enough beauty sleep.

sorry Mike, but you might as well reserve a spot in the deadpool for webbalert.

]]> By: cjwn http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561752 cjwn Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:22:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561752 不管怎么说，中国人还是不喜欢被阉割后的google(google.cn)。我们宁愿去google.com 再者说，百度的访问速度和稳定性也是中国最快和最好的。 单凭几个网站用上了谷歌作为搜索引擎说明不了太多的问题…… 不过 在中国 用Maxthon的还是占大多数的 包括我～ 不管怎么说，中国人还是不喜欢被阉割后的google(google.cn)。我们宁愿去google.com
再者说，百度的访问速度和稳定性也是中国最快和最好的。

单凭几个网站用上了谷歌作为搜索引擎说明不了太多的问题……

不过 在中国 用Maxthon的还是占大多数的
包括我～

]]> By: » Friday’s NGT News » Next Great Thing http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561712 » Friday’s NGT News » Next Great Thing Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:49:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561712 [...] Google To Increase Investment in China [TechCrunch] Google can’t compete with Chinese search engines like Baidu.com, so they’re just going to buy them out: Google announced that it will acquire “one or two Chinese internet companies” and invest in 5 more in the next year. Related: Google to acquire, invest in more Chinese companies [WashingtonPost] [...] [...] Google To Increase Investment in China [TechCrunch] Google can’t compete with Chinese search engines like Baidu.com, so they’re just going to buy them out: Google announced that it will acquire “one or two Chinese internet companies” and invest in 5 more in the next year. Related: Google to acquire, invest in more Chinese companies [WashingtonPost] [...]

]]> By: Dominic http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561671 Dominic Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:26:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561671 I think Google has much larger problems than what goes on in China. American Airlines sued them today for selling ads using their name and trademarks. I don't know how othesr think, but my view is that Google cannot get away this much longer. They do NOT own the dictionary. A companys name and trademarks are not intended for Google to make a profit by selling the rights to names they don't own. I suspect U.S. courts, as well as European courts, will rain all over Google's revenue parade and their advertising. This is much worse than kids downloading music.You cannot sell something you don't own. There will soon be a new day dawning as far as search is concerned. Whispers abound in Washington D.C. already. Remember Microsoft and how their house of cards was impacted. Google is next. I think Google has much larger problems than what goes on in China. American Airlines sued them today for selling ads using their name and trademarks. I don’t know how othesr think, but my view is that Google cannot get away this much longer. They do NOT own the dictionary. A companys name and trademarks are not intended for Google to make a profit by selling the rights to names they don’t own. I suspect U.S. courts, as well as European courts, will rain all over Google’s revenue parade and their advertising. This is much worse than kids downloading music.You cannot sell something you don’t own. There will soon be a new day dawning as far as search is concerned. Whispers abound in Washington D.C. already. Remember Microsoft and how their house of cards was impacted. Google is next.

]]> By: China guy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561596 China guy Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:30:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561596 I lived in China for 7 of the last 8 years and work in this space. This is about Google's 4th or 5th try at getting a real foothold in China. Simply put, they do not as yet have the best Chinese language search/anything else. That is why they are not the market leader and why Baidu is. It's not really that simple, but at the core, that's the barrier. I do not agree that Google should buy Baidu at this time, and I do not think that they will (or for that matter that the Chinese authorities would allow it). Best bet is to continue to be active, put tons of money into development, and bide their time until they have a killer app. I lived in China for 7 of the last 8 years and work in this space. This is about Google’s 4th or 5th try at getting a real foothold in China. Simply put, they do not as yet have the best Chinese language search/anything else. That is why they are not the market leader and why Baidu is. It’s not really that simple, but at the core, that’s the barrier. I do not agree that Google should buy Baidu at this time, and I do not think that they will (or for that matter that the Chinese authorities would allow it). Best bet is to continue to be active, put tons of money into development, and bide their time until they have a killer app.

]]> By: Letsbereal http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561504 Letsbereal Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:24:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561504 To the people who care clammoring on about the size of china's "middle class" - do you realize a "middle class" income there is peanuts? It's like saying China has more middle class than Germany, which is probably true..but china's total wealth and spending power is still small. I'm not negative on china, I do believe it will be the biggest economy as they say. But it's not going to happen as quickly as some of these companies are hoping for. To the people who care clammoring on about the size of china’s “middle class” - do you realize a “middle class” income there is peanuts? It’s like saying China has more middle class than Germany, which is probably true..but china’s total wealth and spending power is still small.

I’m not negative on china, I do believe it will be the biggest economy as they say. But it’s not going to happen as quickly as some of these companies are hoping for.

]]> By: A Taylor http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561463 A Taylor Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:54:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561463 Duncan I fully agree with you. It is only once you have spent time in China particularly time in Shanghai, Beijing or even middle tier cities such as Shenzhen or Dalian that you realize that China has a VERY large and fast growing middle class that has even now eclipsed the middle class in the US in terms of total number, wealth and earning potential etc. Google is actually maybe a bit late to the game but with a strategy of acquisitions they will become dominant very soon. Duncan

I fully agree with you. It is only once you have spent time in China particularly time in Shanghai, Beijing or even middle tier cities such as Shenzhen or Dalian that you realize that China has a VERY large and fast growing middle class that has even now eclipsed the middle class in the US in terms of total number, wealth and earning potential etc.

Google is actually maybe a bit late to the game but with a strategy of acquisitions they will become dominant very soon.

]]> By: the buxr widget http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561442 the buxr widget Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:43:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561442 Even at it's current high price, I would think Google acquisition of Baidu would be smart. Even at it’s current high price, I would think Google acquisition of Baidu would be smart.

]]> By: KingJacob http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561416 KingJacob Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:17:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561416 A smart move on googles half, since China obviously has more people and soon will have more internet users than any other country thanks to modernization. Though its going to be hard to beat Baidu since they branded well in china like google did in the US. A smart move on googles half, since China obviously has more people and soon will have more internet users than any other country thanks to modernization. Though its going to be hard to beat Baidu since they branded well in china like google did in the US.

]]> By: KindAndThoughtful http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561373 KindAndThoughtful Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:48:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561373 Thank you for the post. On another subject: A new, not-for-profit, free online encyclopedia is seeking volunteers to write and edit articles. They can be found at: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page If you have expertise in a certain area or are an experienced writer, please volunteer for this great cause. Again, it is a non-profit organization. I am not affiliated with them...but I just thought I could help spread the word. Thanks for listening. Have a nice day everybody! -- Thank you for the post.

On another subject:

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If you have expertise in a certain area or are an experienced writer, please volunteer for this great cause. Again, it is a non-profit organization.

I am not affiliated with them…but I just thought I could help spread the word. Thanks for listening. Have a nice day everybody!

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]]> By: Mario Ruiz http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561368 Mario Ruiz Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:41:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561368 Thanks Duncan. You are saying that China is very different market. For that reason they have to acquire something that works there. I get it. However when you open a Google products and appears Adwords, Adsense, Calendar, etc. Do you think within a year what products are going to be there? Mario Ruiz http://www.oursheet.com Thanks Duncan.

You are saying that China is very different market. For that reason they have to acquire something that works there. I get it.

However when you open a Google products and appears Adwords, Adsense, Calendar, etc. Do you think within a year what products are going to be there?

Mario Ruiz
http://www.oursheet.com

]]> By: Deals and Coupons http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561327 Deals and Coupons Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:14:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561327 Once Google has a great influence in China, we know for sure Google has taken over the world. Once Google has a great influence in China, we know for sure Google has taken over the world.

]]> By: rob http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561307 rob Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:56:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561307 I've heard the arguement among diggers that google is evil because they are interacting with China. They cite China's suppression of search results and oppression of their people. But I believe that every country (including the "free" US) does this. If they wanted to interact with "nice" countries, they'd be out of business. Besides it is easier to influence change from the inside out then viceversa. go google! I’ve heard the arguement among diggers that google is evil because they are interacting with China. They cite China’s suppression of search results and oppression of their people. But I believe that every country (including the “free” US) does this. If they wanted to interact with “nice” countries, they’d be out of business.

Besides it is easier to influence change from the inside out then viceversa.

go google!

]]> By: Deals and Coupons http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561289 Deals and Coupons Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:41:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561289 Even India is outsourcing nowadays. What's up with that? Even India is outsourcing nowadays. What’s up with that?

]]> By: David Litsky http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561257 David Litsky Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:20:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561257 @Duncan: The issue with China is that they are already in the middle of their cultural revolution. China has certainly changed, but is it too late for a US Company to come in and do business the America way? How is Wal-Mart faring in China, the epitomy of US Business. Honestly, the next county whose population needs to be capitalzed on is India, and they will be best served by valuable SMS services. http://bootstrapeconomist.org/2007/05/29/facebook-makes-an-excellent-banking-medium/ @Duncan: The issue with China is that they are already in the middle of their cultural revolution. China has certainly changed, but is it too late for a US Company to come in and do business the America way? How is Wal-Mart faring in China, the epitomy of US Business.

Honestly, the next county whose population needs to be capitalzed on is India, and they will be best served by valuable SMS services.

http://bootstrapeconomist.org/.....ng-medium/

]]> By: Duncan Riley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561246 Duncan Riley Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:10:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/17/google-to-increase-investment-in-china/#comment-1561246 Mario Google's problem to date is that it cant find anything that sticks (in a big way) in China. The model that worked well elsewhere hasn't in China. @Yawn: China will have more broadband users than the US in the next 12 months. Sure, they are still relatively poor, but the emerging middle class in China will soon be the biggest middle class if any one country in the world. If anything China is under-hyped. Mario
Google’s problem to date is that it cant find anything that sticks (in a big way) in China. The model that worked well elsewhere hasn’t in China.

@Yawn: China will have more broadband users than the US in the next 12 months. Sure, they are still relatively poor, but the emerging middle class in China will soon be the biggest middle class if any one country in the world. If anything China is under-hyped.

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