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	<title>Comments on: USAToday&#8217;s Social Network Experiment May Not Be Paying Off</title>
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		<title>By: Zooped.com - Guide to Social Networking Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zooped.com - Guide to Social Networking Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it has helped spike traffic, which was up 20% in July 2007 over July 2006 traffic levels (though some question the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tiago Dória Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; USA Today é vítima da fadiga 2.0?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1955982</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiago Dória Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; USA Today é vítima da fadiga 2.0?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington, do TechCrunch, jogou um balde de água fria em muita gente que aposta na dobradinha &#8220;redes sociais e [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-08-27 &#171; David Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-08-27 &#171; David Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] USAToday’s Social Network Experiment May Not Be Paying Off - TechCrunch &#8220;Here’s the Compete.com data, showing monthly visitors down from 14 million in March to about 10 million today, a 29% drop in unique visitors.&#8221; (tags: internet newspapers newspapersites socialmedia socialnetworking audience stats ugc usatoday) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] USAToday’s Social Network Experiment May Not Be Paying Off &#8211; TechCrunch &#8220;Here’s the Compete.com data, showing monthly visitors down from 14 million in March to about 10 million today, a 29% drop in unique visitors.&#8221; (tags: internet newspapers newspapersites socialmedia socialnetworking audience stats ugc usatoday) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Digest of the Social Networking Space: August 22nd, 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1567530</link>
		<dc:creator>Digest of the Social Networking Space: August 22nd, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Study: USA Today&#8217;s Social Network is lagging Techcrunch has reported that numbers from compete and comscore (which are never truley accurate) suggest that USA Today&#8217;s social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: חורים ברשת &#187; ארכיון &#187; הכשלון של USAToday</title>
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		<dc:creator>חורים ברשת &#187; ארכיון &#187; הכשלון של USAToday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] עכשיו מתבר שלא רק שהשדרוג לא עזר לאתר, ייתכן שהוא פגע בו. הגישה החברתית של USAToday.com דווקא נכונה, אבל היישום, אוי [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Landry</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1560971</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Landry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that USA Today is facing 2 problems, both related to the usability of its Web site.

1 - People don&#039;t come to USA Today to &quot;hang out&quot;, like they do on social network sites like Facebook for example.  

2 - People come to USA Today (and other news sites) to read the news.  Get in.  Get out.  Get on w/life.

So... the social framework they&#039;ve created doesn&#039;t get &quot;used&quot;.  People come, and depend on USA Today to tell them the news.  Then they go.  Unless you&#039;re a news junky - and are up on current events - you don&#039;t care about commenting on news stories or telling complete strangers which stories you think are your &quot;favorites&quot;.  You can&#039;t find out if your &quot;Friends&quot; are hanging out on the site in real time, etc.

Since the Facebook&#039;s of the world have seemingly cornered the market on the social networking side of things, it seems to me that strategically, it would make more sense for USA Today to concentrate on getting really good at posting news - more quickly than competitors, more in-depth and investigative information, and/or concentrate on detailed coverage of special topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that USA Today is facing 2 problems, both related to the usability of its Web site.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; People don&#8217;t come to USA Today to &#8220;hang out&#8221;, like they do on social network sites like Facebook for example.  </p>
<p>2 &#8211; People come to USA Today (and other news sites) to read the news.  Get in.  Get out.  Get on w/life.</p>
<p>So&#8230; the social framework they&#8217;ve created doesn&#8217;t get &#8220;used&#8221;.  People come, and depend on USA Today to tell them the news.  Then they go.  Unless you&#8217;re a news junky &#8211; and are up on current events &#8211; you don&#8217;t care about commenting on news stories or telling complete strangers which stories you think are your &#8220;favorites&#8221;.  You can&#8217;t find out if your &#8220;Friends&#8221; are hanging out on the site in real time, etc.</p>
<p>Since the Facebook&#8217;s of the world have seemingly cornered the market on the social networking side of things, it seems to me that strategically, it would make more sense for USA Today to concentrate on getting really good at posting news &#8211; more quickly than competitors, more in-depth and investigative information, and/or concentrate on detailed coverage of special topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Dugan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1560952</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Dugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having joined the USA Today network to make comments, I feel the issue with it is that it gives you more capability than community.

I can start my own blog and make comments on stories. Why would I start a blog there when I already have my own? Where&#039;s the community?

I&#039;d recommend people compare Pluck to Facebook before they take USA Today to task...Gannett&#039;s trying to stay relevant. And if they say traffic is up, it&#039;s not hurting them to try. At least they&#039;re trying!

Disclaimer: I&#039;m in client-side marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having joined the USA Today network to make comments, I feel the issue with it is that it gives you more capability than community.</p>
<p>I can start my own blog and make comments on stories. Why would I start a blog there when I already have my own? Where&#8217;s the community?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend people compare Pluck to Facebook before they take USA Today to task&#8230;Gannett&#8217;s trying to stay relevant. And if they say traffic is up, it&#8217;s not hurting them to try. At least they&#8217;re trying!</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m in client-side marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: iMarketingGuru (SEO/SEM Wiki)</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1560108</link>
		<dc:creator>iMarketingGuru (SEO/SEM Wiki)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to making it big these days for news site seems to be built into the fact that the future of the web is social media followed by the web OS. Bravo for USAToday&#039;s actions, but I feel as though the social bookmarking phase will level off towards a more social experience online. I wish I knew what that new application will be, what about large wikis with social bookmarking/ratings built in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to making it big these days for news site seems to be built into the fact that the future of the web is social media followed by the web OS. Bravo for USAToday&#8217;s actions, but I feel as though the social bookmarking phase will level off towards a more social experience online. I wish I knew what that new application will be, what about large wikis with social bookmarking/ratings built in?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559954</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find several of the comments here fascinating in there conservativeness. Some comments claim that USAToday.com made execution mistakes, but others here seem to explicitly state that a mainstream news site trying to pull this off will fail because the audience does not want it. With that attitude, it sounds like a few people here would make perfect big media executives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find several of the comments here fascinating in there conservativeness. Some comments claim that USAToday.com made execution mistakes, but others here seem to explicitly state that a mainstream news site trying to pull this off will fail because the audience does not want it. With that attitude, it sounds like a few people here would make perfect big media executives!</p>
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		<title>By: bgirl73</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559755</link>
		<dc:creator>bgirl73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that you really need to know your audience and take the time to implement features within the Social Networking platform that grab the attention of your core audience.  Here is a link to the latest Compete.com data for Mashable. It shows that the Converdge Social Networking platform they integrated into their site seems to be paying off nicely. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mashable.com+techcrunch.com?metric=uv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that you really need to know your audience and take the time to implement features within the Social Networking platform that grab the attention of your core audience.  Here is a link to the latest Compete.com data for Mashable. It shows that the Converdge Social Networking platform they integrated into their site seems to be paying off nicely. <a HREF="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mashable.com+techcrunch.com?metric=uv" rel="nofollow"> </a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559608</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might also suggest people are following stories more intently.  People only have so much time - they can either read a lot of stories or they can read a couple and follow the comments.

What does USAToday&#039;s own statistics say.  Are numbers of comments going up or down?  Is voting going up or down?  I mean really 1/3 of their visitors just stopped visiting since January?  (15M to 10M).  Seems like the data is screwy to me.

Either the data is getting more accurate or it&#039;s getting less accurate I don&#039;t think this is any indication of the success / failure of their social experiement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might also suggest people are following stories more intently.  People only have so much time &#8211; they can either read a lot of stories or they can read a couple and follow the comments.</p>
<p>What does USAToday&#8217;s own statistics say.  Are numbers of comments going up or down?  Is voting going up or down?  I mean really 1/3 of their visitors just stopped visiting since January?  (15M to 10M).  Seems like the data is screwy to me.</p>
<p>Either the data is getting more accurate or it&#8217;s getting less accurate I don&#8217;t think this is any indication of the success / failure of their social experiement.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@31 - I know.  That is one of a gazillion problems at alexa - I am just saying that compete also has a gazillion problems and should not be used as a factual reference.  Both are terrible.  I guess the question would be: Which one stinks less?  Answer: It doesnt matter, they both stink.

And...I am not sure why I care enough to waste 25 seconds typing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@31 &#8211; I know.  That is one of a gazillion problems at alexa &#8211; I am just saying that compete also has a gazillion problems and should not be used as a factual reference.  Both are terrible.  I guess the question would be: Which one stinks less?  Answer: It doesnt matter, they both stink.</p>
<p>And&#8230;I am not sure why I care enough to waste 25 seconds typing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider Chatter by Donna Bogatin &#187; USA Today Anti Social Media? Gannett CEO Warns Staffers of Blogger Speculation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insider Chatter by Donna Bogatin &#187; USA Today Anti Social Media? Gannett CEO Warns Staffers of Blogger Speculation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Arrington speculates that &#8220;USA Today&#8217;s social network experiment&#8221; may not ..., based primarily on traffic numbers supplied by controversial data house Compete. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michael Arrington speculates that &#8220;USA Today&#8217;s social network experiment&#8221; may not &#8230;, based primarily on traffic numbers supplied by controversial data house Compete. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pgwreg</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559580</link>
		<dc:creator>Pgwreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid=%7b54A27102-52EE-4510-9C6D-4953267CB23C%7d&amp;siteid=nbs&amp;symb=</description>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
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		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many of the features actually count as PV&#039;s according to ComScore or Compete.com, and if time spent on the site went up at all? It still doesn&#039;t match up with Pluck&#039;s promise to “Drive site traffic and increase page views&quot; but it would be interesting to know that data point to see if they need to revisit their mission statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of the features actually count as PV&#8217;s according to ComScore or Compete.com, and if time spent on the site went up at all? It still doesn&#8217;t match up with Pluck&#8217;s promise to “Drive site traffic and increase page views&#8221; but it would be interesting to know that data point to see if they need to revisit their mission statement.</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559444</link>
		<dc:creator>lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe the USAToday crowed were never interested in a social network...they just want the news. inturn, that added feature - unwanted feature, disgruntled them - so they left for another news site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the USAToday crowed were never interested in a social network&#8230;they just want the news. inturn, that added feature &#8211; unwanted feature, disgruntled them &#8211; so they left for another news site</p>
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		<title>By: Goo Goo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559336</link>
		<dc:creator>Goo Goo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave - Alexa said YouTube has surpassed Google.com.  You may want to get your facts straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave &#8211; Alexa said YouTube has surpassed Google.com.  You may want to get your facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559302</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t pick up a print version of USA Today, much less read it online.  A social networking function?  Yawn.

As a previous poster suggested, tech savvy local papers are both more relevant to the readers, which drive participation and the blogs by columnists get responded to.  You can have an actual conversation with them without having to write a lette to the editor to get heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t pick up a print version of USA Today, much less read it online.  A social networking function?  Yawn.</p>
<p>As a previous poster suggested, tech savvy local papers are both more relevant to the readers, which drive participation and the blogs by columnists get responded to.  You can have an actual conversation with them without having to write a lette to the editor to get heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was rewriting the comment above after losing it on my mobile phone this morning... forgot an important point.

The other major trend for context setting is the trend to hyperlocal.  Gannett is doing a great job with this in many markets (see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/15-08/ff_gannett&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest Wired article on Gannett&lt;/a&gt;) and I expect that much of that will ultimately bubble up.  In short, they should not let go of this experiment unless they want to return to the core brand value they established over the last several years.  

Knowing what Neuharth has stood for over the years, I expect he will push them to continue their path towards innovation and adjust to the markets response to make their offering stronger.  However, I don&#039;t think he is really in charge of day to day anymore, so who knows how it will play out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was rewriting the comment above after losing it on my mobile phone this morning&#8230; forgot an important point.</p>
<p>The other major trend for context setting is the trend to hyperlocal.  Gannett is doing a great job with this in many markets (see the <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/15-08/ff_gannett" rel="nofollow">latest Wired article on Gannett</a>) and I expect that much of that will ultimately bubble up.  In short, they should not let go of this experiment unless they want to return to the core brand value they established over the last several years.  </p>
<p>Knowing what Neuharth has stood for over the years, I expect he will push them to continue their path towards innovation and adjust to the markets response to make their offering stronger.  However, I don&#8217;t think he is really in charge of day to day anymore, so who knows how it will play out.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/16/usatoday-relaunch-as-social-network-may-not-be-paying-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1559248</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biker Dan is the first to really get to he heart of the matter.  So far nobody else has seized upon the bigger picture here.

Content is important, but context is king.  What is the context of USAToday&#039;s coverage, shallow dives across a broad spectrum of topics for the entire USA.  Their brand has always been about this and people know it.  Worse still, they are always trying to make everyone happy, which ultimately makes a lot of it very mediocre and less appealing - a downward spiral really.  With the increasing &quot;nicheification&quot; made possible in digital media (and evidenced by the need for all the different Crunch brands), what is the context for passion, attention and interaction within a USA Today?

This is not a failure of the Social Network + Traditional Media model, it is a failure of USA Today to be aggressive enough with rethinking their brand and innovating to serve the needs of their core audience.

Yes, they did not consider the impact of the radical redesign on their existing audience - Yes, their core audience is mostly part of the 90% from the 1/9/90 rule - Yes, they have alienated a portion of that audience and are losing SOA with them (Share of Attention)

So what are they doing to encourage participation from those who are there?  How are the identifying and supporting the contributors?  How are they themselves joining the conversation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biker Dan is the first to really get to he heart of the matter.  So far nobody else has seized upon the bigger picture here.</p>
<p>Content is important, but context is king.  What is the context of USAToday&#8217;s coverage, shallow dives across a broad spectrum of topics for the entire USA.  Their brand has always been about this and people know it.  Worse still, they are always trying to make everyone happy, which ultimately makes a lot of it very mediocre and less appealing &#8211; a downward spiral really.  With the increasing &#8220;nicheification&#8221; made possible in digital media (and evidenced by the need for all the different Crunch brands), what is the context for passion, attention and interaction within a USA Today?</p>
<p>This is not a failure of the Social Network + Traditional Media model, it is a failure of USA Today to be aggressive enough with rethinking their brand and innovating to serve the needs of their core audience.</p>
<p>Yes, they did not consider the impact of the radical redesign on their existing audience &#8211; Yes, their core audience is mostly part of the 90% from the 1/9/90 rule &#8211; Yes, they have alienated a portion of that audience and are losing SOA with them (Share of Attention)</p>
<p>So what are they doing to encourage participation from those who are there?  How are the identifying and supporting the contributors?  How are they themselves joining the conversation?</p>
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		<title>By: BikerDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BikerDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, intrusive ads totally drive users away.  WTF were they thinking by running that Chrysler ad???  I&#039;ll probably never go back there with crap like that getting forced onto my screen.

Talk about selling out.

The 30 Sheckles they got for that ad cost them how many readers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, intrusive ads totally drive users away.  WTF were they thinking by running that Chrysler ad???  I&#8217;ll probably never go back there with crap like that getting forced onto my screen.</p>
<p>Talk about selling out.</p>
<p>The 30 Sheckles they got for that ad cost them how many readers?</p>
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		<title>By: BikerDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BikerDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Know thy audience!

Who reads USA Today?  What&#039;s their core demographic?  Is this demo interested in--and actively participating in--2.0 Land?  

Now I don&#039;t have those figures, but I can probably safely hazard a guess that the answer to the 2.0 question is &quot;No.&quot;  

If you&#039;re going to get 2.0-ish, then do so a little at a time and test-adapt-test-adapt-test.  

But for God&#039;s sake, don&#039;t go for a drastic overnight makeover and total shift of focus.  Any audience is likely to not accept such drastic .com makovers that miscalculate their basic values.  Look at what happened to Netscape.com after their overnight Digg-over.  *CRASH!!*   And now, we hear there may not even BE a Netscape.com for much longer...  If Netscape readers were looking for a Digg experience, they would have been using Digg, or any number of the other Digg-ish niche-sites out there.  

What makes sites like USA Today useful for their users are the same things that make them stand out from the rest.  Exclusive content, etc.  Are these strengths always best served by a social-network-in-a-box approach?  

Us Geeks, who browse and participate in 2.0 Land tend to forget that not every site is a perfect fit for 2.0-ness.  We complain...a lot (heck, when do we ever NOT have something to bitch about)?  But we also tend to be a little self-centered, and look at a lot of sites with the blinders on.  What works well for TC et al., may not be a hit with all audiences of all sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Know thy audience!</p>
<p>Who reads USA Today?  What&#8217;s their core demographic?  Is this demo interested in&#8211;and actively participating in&#8211;2.0 Land?  </p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t have those figures, but I can probably safely hazard a guess that the answer to the 2.0 question is &#8220;No.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to get 2.0-ish, then do so a little at a time and test-adapt-test-adapt-test.  </p>
<p>But for God&#8217;s sake, don&#8217;t go for a drastic overnight makeover and total shift of focus.  Any audience is likely to not accept such drastic .com makovers that miscalculate their basic values.  Look at what happened to Netscape.com after their overnight Digg-over.  *CRASH!!*   And now, we hear there may not even BE a Netscape.com for much longer&#8230;  If Netscape readers were looking for a Digg experience, they would have been using Digg, or any number of the other Digg-ish niche-sites out there.  </p>
<p>What makes sites like USA Today useful for their users are the same things that make them stand out from the rest.  Exclusive content, etc.  Are these strengths always best served by a social-network-in-a-box approach?  </p>
<p>Us Geeks, who browse and participate in 2.0 Land tend to forget that not every site is a perfect fit for 2.0-ness.  We complain&#8230;a lot (heck, when do we ever NOT have something to bitch about)?  But we also tend to be a little self-centered, and look at a lot of sites with the blinders on.  What works well for TC et al., may not be a hit with all audiences of all sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@24 paul - great observation. One of my big complaints when USA Today relaunched was that the site had such obnoxious advertising that the community features didn&#039;t matter. I was loathe to go there when it took me three clicks to get past ads to read a story.

Fundamentally, the &quot;talk amongst yourselves&quot; community won&#039;t work unless there is a community to begin with. It just devolves into personal attacks, political fanaticism and spam.

When I was in college, I launched The Daily Northwestern online. (This was back before most people in college had email addresses.) I was responsible for  the paper&#039;s email address. Some prankster signed us up for a mailing list on bagpipes. That mailing list generated hundreds of emails a day back in the early 90s. Why? Because if you want to talk about bagpipes there&#039;s a limited set of places you can go. 

Look at the real world. Is there a New York City community? Aside from the days immediately after 9/11, I&#039;d say no. The city is made up of lots of little communities. Something at NYC scale is just too big to be a community. The same goes for USA Today. It&#039;s just too big and general.

There&#039;s also the feeling of being talked at with sites like USA Today. The communities that I&#039;m most likely to participate in are communities where there&#039;s a dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24 paul &#8211; great observation. One of my big complaints when USA Today relaunched was that the site had such obnoxious advertising that the community features didn&#8217;t matter. I was loathe to go there when it took me three clicks to get past ads to read a story.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, the &#8220;talk amongst yourselves&#8221; community won&#8217;t work unless there is a community to begin with. It just devolves into personal attacks, political fanaticism and spam.</p>
<p>When I was in college, I launched The Daily Northwestern online. (This was back before most people in college had email addresses.) I was responsible for  the paper&#8217;s email address. Some prankster signed us up for a mailing list on bagpipes. That mailing list generated hundreds of emails a day back in the early 90s. Why? Because if you want to talk about bagpipes there&#8217;s a limited set of places you can go. </p>
<p>Look at the real world. Is there a New York City community? Aside from the days immediately after 9/11, I&#8217;d say no. The city is made up of lots of little communities. Something at NYC scale is just too big to be a community. The same goes for USA Today. It&#8217;s just too big and general.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the feeling of being talked at with sites like USA Today. The communities that I&#8217;m most likely to participate in are communities where there&#8217;s a dialog.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site&#039;s design conflicts heavily with the print version of the paper - where the print version is simple to scan and uses bright, happy colors, the online version is busy, choppy and without a unifying color scheme.

It&#039;s not clear that people want single-source news commented and re-arranged by their fellow readers.  Social editing may make more sense when people combine various sources on a focused topic.

And that honking Chrysler ad covered half my screen when I checked out USA Today.  That has to cost a few readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site&#8217;s design conflicts heavily with the print version of the paper &#8211; where the print version is simple to scan and uses bright, happy colors, the online version is busy, choppy and without a unifying color scheme.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not clear that people want single-source news commented and re-arranged by their fellow readers.  Social editing may make more sense when people combine various sources on a focused topic.</p>
<p>And that honking Chrysler ad covered half my screen when I checked out USA Today.  That has to cost a few readers.</p>
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		<title>By: TechTownNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechTownNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, this week Red Herring just did the same transition from one way media outlet to social networking media site and I think it&#039;ll see similar results  (I&#039;m going on the premise that compete is at least somewhat accurate here).  It&#039;s just a hassle for me to create another profile.  The NY Times lets you digg, facebook, and newsvine any story already, and that&#039;s the way to go for mass media.  I agree with Kent (despite the double comment) and with MrktMind.  Commenting is a must have, but that&#039;s all I can be troubled to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, this week Red Herring just did the same transition from one way media outlet to social networking media site and I think it&#8217;ll see similar results  (I&#8217;m going on the premise that compete is at least somewhat accurate here).  It&#8217;s just a hassle for me to create another profile.  The NY Times lets you digg, facebook, and newsvine any story already, and that&#8217;s the way to go for mass media.  I agree with Kent (despite the double comment) and with MrktMind.  Commenting is a must have, but that&#8217;s all I can be troubled to do.</p>
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