Comments on: iPod v. The Insulin Pump: Adaptive Path Rises To The Challenge http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/ Startup and Technology News Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:57:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Abril http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563602 Abril Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:37:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563602 hi nice post, i enjoyed it hi nice post, i enjoyed it

]]> By: Adrianna http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563448 Adrianna Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:14:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563448 hi nice post, i enjoyed it hi nice post, i enjoyed it

]]> By: Sheldon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563406 Sheldon Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:26:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1563406 hi i enjoyed the read hi i enjoyed the read

]]> By: Chris Bishop http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558941 Chris Bishop Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:17:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558941 I am a Diabetic and looking into insulin pumps for delivery and management. When I saw this design "Concept" I was really excited. This is exactly what the Diabetes community needs: An innovation in the community that will give fellow Diabetics a little more comfort in properly managing this life-changing disease. I've heard of too many Diabetics that say they don't manage their blood sugars, insulin dosages and diet because it is so inconvenient and people stare. Here is the best solution I have seen to date. I really hope that someone in Corporate America sees the value in this design and runs with it. Whoever does will reap the benefits. I am a Diabetic and looking into insulin pumps for delivery and management. When I saw this design “Concept” I was really excited. This is exactly what the Diabetes community needs: An innovation in the community that will give fellow Diabetics a little more comfort in properly managing this life-changing disease. I’ve heard of too many Diabetics that say they don’t manage their blood sugars, insulin dosages and diet because it is so inconvenient and people stare. Here is the best solution I have seen to date. I really hope that someone in Corporate America sees the value in this design and runs with it. Whoever does will reap the benefits.

]]> By: AlanBC http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558282 AlanBC Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:34:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558282 I'd like to say it's a When I first saw this video I was thinking, "Am I that far off the trend already? Last term I was still doing this Long Term Implantable Insulin Pump studies, and now the technology is mature enough to produce the 'charmr'?" The accuracy of CGS in the abdomen The infusion pumps durability and controllability The spikes of different blood sugar level The software that is able to deal with delay between sensing, releasing drug, and The wireless capability And the power consumption consideration The legislations for such smart pumps (i.e. who's going to be responsible if people die) Then I read the comments and realized this video was trying to set up goals for Engineers/Companies to achieve. It's nice of that Adaptive Path put a YouTube video clip like that and please pardon my skepticism above. It would be really nice to have that device and it sure looks cool. I also have a diabetic father and I hope he gets to enjoy this in the near future. But there is really a lot of researches and advancement to be done before this device comes out. Anyways, I'll be hopeful. I’d like to say it’s a
When I first saw this video I was thinking, “Am I that far off the trend already? Last term I was still doing this Long Term Implantable Insulin Pump studies, and now the technology is mature enough to produce the ‘charmr’?”

The accuracy of CGS in the abdomen
The infusion pumps durability and controllability
The spikes of different blood sugar level
The software that is able to deal with delay between sensing, releasing drug, and
The wireless capability
And the power consumption consideration
The legislations for such smart pumps (i.e. who’s going to be responsible if people die)

Then I read the comments and realized this video was trying to set up goals for Engineers/Companies to achieve. It’s nice of that Adaptive Path put a YouTube video clip like that and please pardon my skepticism above.

It would be really nice to have that device and it sure looks cool. I also have a diabetic father and I hope he gets to enjoy this in the near future.
But there is really a lot of researches and advancement to be done before this device comes out.

Anyways, I’ll be hopeful.

]]> By: Jessica Hickok http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558122 Jessica Hickok Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558122 As an insulin pumper for the last 8 years and one of the biggest girl geeks you will ever meet...this truly is a product that is techie, exciting and motivating for me and totally turns me on. When you deal with this disease day-in-and-day-out, you can't help but start to feel better when you see dramatic improvements in the medical industry like this. Next step...a digital cure for this wretched disease. As an insulin pumper for the last 8 years and one of the biggest girl geeks you will ever meet…this truly is a product that is techie, exciting and motivating for me and totally turns me on. When you deal with this disease day-in-and-day-out, you can’t help but start to feel better when you see dramatic improvements in the medical industry like this. Next step…a digital cure for this wretched disease.

]]> By: Bernard Farrell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558008 Bernard Farrell Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:48:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1558008 I published a <a href="http://www.journalofdst.org/March2007/pdf/JDST-Vol-2-Abstracts/VOL-1-2-CGM1-FARRELL-ABS.pdf" rel="nofollow">proposal for diabetes data standards</a>(PDF) some time ago. They'd suit a device like this and help make it part of a total solution. I do hope that with this additional interest in diabetes devices for real people that the standard might get picked up. As for the various criticisms, remember this is a design prototype. They did it in 9 weeks. So it's not going to be perfect, but it is a huge step in the right direction. I'd sign up to test one out! I published a proposal for diabetes data standards(PDF) some time ago. They’d suit a device like this and help make it part of a total solution.

I do hope that with this additional interest in diabetes devices for real people that the standard might get picked up.

As for the various criticisms, remember this is a design prototype. They did it in 9 weeks. So it’s not going to be perfect, but it is a huge step in the right direction. I’d sign up to test one out!

]]> By: DieterD http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1557778 DieterD Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:32:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1557778 I have an aunt that uses the pump and monitor and have heard how she struggles with it - they aren't as good as hyped and they have a long waiting list to even get one. Some good points about possible theft and some easy labeling can be done. Back-side can have the medical alert symbol and info - Most diabetics wear the bracelets anyway. I'd also recommend that the screen changes to an alert message that the connection was lost from the pump - exactly what not sure, but if someone were to steal it, this can flash an alternating "Diabetic Medical Device - Connection w/ Pump Lost". I have an aunt that uses the pump and monitor and have heard how she struggles with it - they aren’t as good as hyped and they have a long waiting list to even get one.

Some good points about possible theft and some easy labeling can be done. Back-side can have the medical alert symbol and info - Most diabetics wear the bracelets anyway.

I’d also recommend that the screen changes to an alert message that the connection was lost from the pump - exactly what not sure, but if someone were to steal it, this can flash an alternating “Diabetic Medical Device - Connection w/ Pump Lost”.

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1557377 Nemrut Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:54:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1557377 @ Anthony, call it what you will...but i think articles that are overly altruistic and pollyannish in tone deserve additional scrutiny and should be called out for whtat they are... @ Anthony, call it what you will…but i think articles that are overly altruistic and pollyannish in tone deserve additional scrutiny and should be called out for whtat they are…

]]> By: Anthony http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556723 Anthony Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:36:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556723 Nemrut, you are, in fact, being cynical. Nor are you adding anything constructive to the conversation. Nemrut, you are, in fact, being cynical. Nor are you adding anything constructive to the conversation.

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556594 Nemrut Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:17:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556594 Not to be cynical but you have to wonder what type of fees AP is charging to afford the luxury of working so diligently for free. I'm sure there is good intent behind this effort but given the history of some of the founders, it seems more like self-promotion than anything else. Not to be cynical but you have to wonder what type of fees AP is charging to afford the luxury of working so diligently for free.

I’m sure there is good intent behind this effort but given the history of some of the founders, it seems more like self-promotion than anything else.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556529 Jeff Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:17:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556529 I have the pump that is shown in the video. The CGM portion of the device now cost $300 a month to mantain with all the needed supplies. The delivery unit and brains cost $5000. My insurance covered all but 450. I now regret the purchase, because I have found a company that would give me no cables to deal with and no extra device strapped to my belt all day. IT has a much better delivery system than even the one shown in the video. THe only thing they need to compare to the video is a prettier device to complete the management system. Take a look. http://www.myomnipod.com/products/section/189 If anyone from omnipod is reading, I could use a device. I have the pump that is shown in the video. The CGM portion of the device now cost $300 a month to mantain with all the needed supplies. The delivery unit and brains cost $5000. My insurance covered all but 450. I now regret the purchase, because I have found a company that would give me no cables to deal with and no extra device strapped to my belt all day.

IT has a much better delivery system than even the one shown in the video. THe only thing they need to compare to the video is a prettier device to complete the management system.

Take a look. http://www.myomnipod.com/products/section/189

If anyone from omnipod is reading, I could use a device.

]]> By: Colin Dowling http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556392 Colin Dowling Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:11:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556392 In the spirit of web 2.0, I suggest that it be free to all and ad supported. In the spirit of web 2.0, I suggest that it be free to all and ad supported.

]]> By: ihero http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556352 ihero Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:37:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556352 ok -- it won't help the blind see. Now imagine you add TomTom to the device -- now it could navigate the blind diabetics. I have no stake in this company - but I think we are moving into a realm were anything is possible -- as far as information sharing goes. ok — it won’t help the blind see.
Now imagine you add TomTom to the device — now it could navigate the blind diabetics.

I have no stake in this company - but I think we are moving into a realm were anything is possible — as far as information sharing goes.

]]> By: sdfs http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556279 sdfs Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:31:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556279 It's not really going to help the 100,000's of blind or partialy sighted diabetics out there... It’s not really going to help the 100,000’s of blind or partialy sighted diabetics out there…

]]> By: COD http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556267 COD Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:15:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556267 Err, that came off more negative above then I meant. The point I was going for, and missed, was that there is no way this is a 2-3 year forward looking design in the real world. In a perfect world, yeah. But in a perfect world, they wouldn't be dealing with the FDA. Err, that came off more negative above then I meant. The point I was going for, and missed, was that there is no way this is a 2-3 year forward looking design in the real world. In a perfect world, yeah. But in a perfect world, they wouldn’t be dealing with the FDA.

]]> By: ihero http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556262 ihero Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:13:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556262 This is great, especially if it makes the user feel more comfortable and not an outcast due to their illness. I didn't see all the details in the blog -- but does device connect to wireless networks and report back to monitoring service or physician? If it did such a thing -- I could see utility for other medical monitoring devices, like a heart device and of course monitoring services like life alert. sounds like a true iHero. This is great, especially if it makes the user feel more comfortable and not an outcast due to their illness.

I didn’t see all the details in the blog — but does device connect to wireless networks and report back to monitoring service or physician?

If it did such a thing — I could see utility for other medical monitoring devices, like a heart device and of course monitoring services like life alert.

sounds like a true iHero.

]]> By: Erika Hall http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556259 Erika Hall Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:11:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556259 Articulating a set of principles for optimal experiences is incredibly important, even if the technology to support the full vision is still a ways off. We must continually challenge solutions, especially to issues such as these, to make sure that they are serving the audience or end-user as well as possible. We still accept too much avoidable mediocrity in product design. An exploration of what might be possible such as Charmr, grounded in the needs and desires of real people is much more than a fantasy. It should serve as a lodestar. Articulating a set of principles for optimal experiences is incredibly important, even if the technology to support the full vision is still a ways off.

We must continually challenge solutions, especially to issues such as these, to make sure that they are serving the audience or end-user as well as possible. We still accept too much avoidable mediocrity in product design.

An exploration of what might be possible such as Charmr, grounded in the needs and desires of real people is much more than a fantasy. It should serve as a lodestar.

]]> By: COD http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556231 COD Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:34:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556231 And for their next trick, the flying car we can all buy for $999. I'm sure it was a fun design project, and if it gets somebody at Minimed thinking that'll be a good thing. However, since the very first "integrated" pump and meter just hit the market, and it requires 2 separate infusion sites, which will be a deal killer for most diabetics, this is purely an exercise in fantasy. The amount of technology they have in the pump today is amazing, yet the Charmr appears to requires a very major technology advance. I think the real lesson here is that really great UIs are always easier to build if you aren't constrained by reality. And for their next trick, the flying car we can all buy for $999. I’m sure it was a fun design project, and if it gets somebody at Minimed thinking that’ll be a good thing. However, since the very first “integrated” pump and meter just hit the market, and it requires 2 separate infusion sites, which will be a deal killer for most diabetics, this is purely an exercise in fantasy. The amount of technology they have in the pump today is amazing, yet the Charmr appears to requires a very major technology advance.

I think the real lesson here is that really great UIs are always easier to build if you aren’t constrained by reality.

]]> By: Jesse James Garrett http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556217 Jesse James Garrett Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:19:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556217 John, our <a href="http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-diabetes-management-research-—-theres-no-vacation-from-diabetes/" rel="nofollow">blog post on the research process</a> talks about the diabetics we consulted. The reservoir (and everything else you see in that diagram) is enclosed in a silicone housing that's a little hard to make out in the YouTube video -- you can see it more clearly in <a href="http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-creating-concepts/" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a>. We left the pump mechanism out of the diagram just to keep things simple. You're right that our design presumes that CGM technology will get more accurate in the future. We also agree that data portability, shareability, and interoperability is essential. John, our blog post on the research process talks about the diabetics we consulted. The reservoir (and everything else you see in that diagram) is enclosed in a silicone housing that’s a little hard to make out in the YouTube video — you can see it more clearly in this blog post. We left the pump mechanism out of the diagram just to keep things simple. You’re right that our design presumes that CGM technology will get more accurate in the future. We also agree that data portability, shareability, and interoperability is essential.

]]> By: Dan Saffer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556214 Dan Saffer Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:15:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556214 John Carlin: On the contrary, we met with not only Amy Tenderich (who is an authority on the topic) but also spoke with pump-wearing diabetics and diabetic educators and did our own research on the topic as well. More on our research: http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2007/08/14/charmr-diabetes-management-research-%e2%80%94-theres-no-vacation-from-diabetes/ We looked at current trends in technologies such as continuous monitoring and, while it is not as accurate now as finger pricking, will likely become more accurate in the next several years, which is the time frame for this project. What we've proposed is several years out--roughly, as long as it would take to fully design, engineer, and manufacture this product. John Carlin: On the contrary, we met with not only Amy Tenderich (who is an authority on the topic) but also spoke with pump-wearing diabetics and diabetic educators and did our own research on the topic as well. More on our research:

http://www.adaptivepath.com/bl.....-diabetes/

We looked at current trends in technologies such as continuous monitoring and, while it is not as accurate now as finger pricking, will likely become more accurate in the next several years, which is the time frame for this project. What we’ve proposed is several years out–roughly, as long as it would take to fully design, engineer, and manufacture this product.

]]> By: Isaac http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556208 Isaac Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:10:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556208 I hate to think that people design things to be unattractive purely so others won't be tempted to steal them. Then again, maybe that whole section of consumers is who are driving the continued sales of Samsung, Phillips and Dell Mp3 players that you see all over Best Buy and CNET. ? I hate to think that people design things to be unattractive purely so others won’t be tempted to steal them.

Then again, maybe that whole section of consumers is who are driving the continued sales of Samsung, Phillips and Dell Mp3 players that you see all over Best Buy and CNET.

?

]]> By: gilltots http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556202 gilltots Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:02:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556202 i'm not sure this is the great success you guys are chalking it up to be. they spent their time, that's very nice of them. they designed a cool looking, bells-and-whistles product, that's very creative of them. but it's completely fictional and can't be built with today's technology. that's very useless. apart from the great publicity this gives adaptive path, i don't see what benefit this is to anyone else. i’m not sure this is the great success you guys are chalking it up to be.

they spent their time, that’s very nice of them.
they designed a cool looking, bells-and-whistles product, that’s very creative of them.
but it’s completely fictional and can’t be built with today’s technology. that’s very useless.

apart from the great publicity this gives adaptive path, i don’t see what benefit this is to anyone else.

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556199 Dave Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:56:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556199 Diabetics can now watch mp4s while checking their blood sugar. I think they should start a social network around this - and auto-update twitter with the test results! Arrington for the Nobel Prize! Diabetics can now watch mp4s while checking their blood sugar. I think they should start a social network around this - and auto-update twitter with the test results! Arrington for the Nobel Prize!

]]> By: beng http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556193 beng Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:49:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/14/ipod-v-the-insulin-pump-adaptive-path-rises-to-the-challenge/#comment-1556193 Did they really have to call the thing charmr ? I am so so tired of the funny r endings, and now on a diabetes solution it's just too much. Did they really have to call the thing charmr ? I am so so tired of the funny r endings, and now on a diabetes solution it’s just too much.

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