July 26, 2007

Streamload Upgrade Goes Very Wrong; Some Users Revolt

Michael Arrington

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San Diego based storage service Streamload is having a hellish summer.

On June 22, more than a month ago, they began rolling out “significant improvements” to the service. Users were told in a blog post that some files would become temporarily unaccessible and to expect downtime of up to two weeks. “Please rest asssured [sic] that we are doing everything possible to minimize these service interruptions” they said.

Much of what happened since then is unclear, but things clearly didn’t go according to plan. On July 1 Streamload said they were back online. On July 2 they noted some issues affecting some users. Skip to July 21: another blog post noting issues. On July 24 another update, and users are welcomed to the “speedy new MediaMax database and user interface.”

Overall the blog posts don’t signal that much chaos was going on behind the scenes, but it is clear that things were not going as well as the Streamload blog suggested. Many customers complained in the comments to those posts about file deletions, outages and lack of customer service response to their questions. At some point Streamload turned off comments and deleted all existing ones, presumably to downplay the problems.

At least one user-created blog has popped up that reprints the blog posts, adds commentary suggesting that Streamload is hiding the facts, and allows users to comment. Some of the commenters are outraged at the alleged cover up:

Mediamax isn’t just hopelessly incompetent, its corrupt and borderline evil! It’s corrupt because its still taking money for a service that doesnt work. And its evil because it must be aware of the incredible stress this is causing to so many people but its doing nothing to ease that pain. Just a few honest words of understanding on their blog would help, instead of the BS and lies they are posting.

I’ve emailed Streamload for a response to get their side of things. I’ll update this post when I have more facts.

Disclosure: I am not an independent observer of these events - I am an investor and on the board of directors of Omnidrive, which is also in the online storage space and can be considered a competitor to Streamload. If people notice other coverage of this, please leave a comment and I’ll link to it here. Until now I have only heard excellent things about the Streamload service, and I am anxious to hear their side of things.

Update: Streamload responds via email:

Hi Michael,

We appreciate your willingness to hear Streamload’s feedback. Yes, Streamload has had a tough several weeks due to two serious issues on our part.

On June 15, Streamload had a major storage problem that has caused many of our customer files to become inaccessible. They are not gone forever, but it is taking a very long time to recover all the data because of the extraordinary amount of data stored. With our current recovery infrastructure, we can “only” recover about 10 terabytes per day, but we are adding more hardware to speed this process.

Combined with that, we had another project underway to move our entire infrastructure to a new datacenter with the goal of making it more efficient and cost effective for customers. The move did not go as planned since it took longer than we anticipated and there was much more customer impact than originally estimated.

With the new data center, MediaMax is backed with an all new technical infrastructure, which is fully redundant, has more capacity, and is faster. This new transition, as challenging as it has been, will ultimately allow us to provide better service and support more customers in the future.

On that note, your reader comments are right - a better job should have been done to communicate with affected customers. Though we may not have communicated quickly or with much detail, we are attempting to actively address concerns, and are exploring ways to address this issue and improve our customer service.

Having said that, three weeks ago I took over as CEO again and will be able to monitor the service and customer needs more closely and hopefully bring back the customer satisfaction that was built since I started the company 9 years ago.

-Steve Iverson

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  1. Trace Richardson

    I don’t know if there is anything more frustrating than when a company or online forum censors or deletes comments / threads. More times than not it makes the situation worse by disrupting communication and more times than not, it does a disservice to the client, customer, or end user. I think it is disrespectful to the end user or customer, period. When a provider or company deletes or censors messages in a message board / portal medium, I think it tends to speak volumes about the type of company they are and how they value the end user.

  2. Search*Engines WEB

    Something similar happened with Sitemeter last month - when entire servers were down and Webstats were unavailable for almost a week.

    They too turned off comments on the blog and did not respond to emailed complaints.

    But as every savvy Webmaster knows - regardless of what you may change your mind and later delete - there is always Google, Yahoo, and MSN Cached pages - and sometimes eventually, The Internet Archive

  3. Trace Richardson

    It is also the perfect way to push a customer’s anger level from 3 to 10. I’m not even going to start with how unprofessional disabling comments altogether is, especially in a time of crisis. It is no different than turning off your phones in my book. Transparency and honesty are not overrated for shorter or long term success.

  4. UHF

    I use (or try to use) Streamload for back-ups as it has a free service with good storage/bandwidth quotas. The service had problems several months ago with ftp not functioning for weeks amongst other things. It continues to be slow and now my ‘hosted’ files are no longer accessible. Glad I don’t pay. I noticed the comments being switched off the company blog too.

  5. John

    Allways assume that what can go wrong, will go wrong. I make a backup of everything on my computer that’s important every end-of-quarter. And for really important files that change day to day, I send myself a copy to my Yahoo! email account. Of course, Yahoo ***could*** screw up as well, I’m just willing to take that risk! Hope nobody lost anything really important…

  6. johnro

    I was a Streamload user and I can’t access ANY of my files. It seems that they have LOST a lot of files - which is utterly hopeless considering how much they play up their technology and how safe it is supposed to be!

  7. Marc Savoy

    In the final analysis the Streamload fiasco is a classic example of how precarious any online service can turn out to be and the realization that just
    because the seemingly endless parade of wonderful services and products
    are available for free doesn’t mean that it comes without considerable risk
    or cost.

  8. Robin

    I gave up using Streamload 12 months ago: it promised so much and never delivered: it’s a great idea but very poorly managed and delivered.

    Omnidrive seems much better, but never reply to my support emails.

  9. Donal

    I only started using Streamload lately but the continual downtime is not very encouraging. If it doesn’t improve soon I’ll be looking elsewhere.

    And not turning on comments is just wrong.

  10. Grammar Police

    Isn’t the word…inaccessible?

    Sorry ;)

  11. Mark Miller

    I tried MediaMax because of a review I saw in NYTimes awhile back. I consistently had problems with upload, access, just basic functions. I haven’t gone back in months, even to look at stored files.

    After reading this post, I’m going to see if I can delete all the files and cancel my account. I don’t even want to be thinking about it anymore.

  12. Ravi

    A Bullshit site!

    I have around 4 GB of data which is now un-accessible unless i pay!!

    According to Streamload’s policy we can download 1GB data free every month. However..now the story is different..even if i want to download a 11mb file I would get an error saying “Need to download files greater than 10MB? Upgrade your subscription.”!!!

    I hope this issue is sorted ASAP!

    Cheers!

    Ravi

  13. shokal_s

    I left MediaMax/Streamload a year ago - they were so… well, I am very happy with fileburst and even more happy with S3.

  14. haz

    Sounds like zooomr to me…well they didn’t delete the old posts, just closed off new ones to reduce the complaints rolling in…

  15. Patrick

    It seems that all these well regarded companies eventually getting out of control

    Best file storage sites are and will always be 3

    1. http://www.esnips.com
    2. http://www.box.net
    3. http://www.orbitfiles.com

    the rest…

  16. DT

    In reply to #15 (Patrick).

    Don’t forget Xdrive & Mozy. And if you are paying to a backup service, Mozy.com comes to mind also. Xdrive matches esnips’ 5GB, but admittedly esnips is ahead in terms of the sharing aspect. That being said, xdrive’s desktop integration makes things quite simple to use for windows users.

    And mozy, well, it’s just a simple and mindless backup service and also has windows desktop integration to boot.

    I have no connection with either, I’m just a satisfied user of both.

    -DT

  17. Patrick

    DT,

    i agree

  18. biz

    You can always check in at:

    http://onlinebackupreviews.com

    The name pretty much explains it :P

  19. John

    My girlfriend’s company got sick of all the hassles with Streamload and switched to Amazon S3. Even though S3 is a developer focused offering, using the Firefox plugin (S3Fox), it was much more reliable.

  20. Cary Marsh

    @Patrick

    ‘are and will always be’ ….. ?….now that’s just silly!

  21. EH

    So, in the middle of their “storage problem” they decided to go forward with a datacenter move? Am I reading that right, or is the explanation just poorly written?

  22. David Mackey

    I’ve been using Streamload for 1-2 years. It has been a pretty good basic file backup service - using a web interface. The software has always been kind of crappy…but it was still beta, so what do you expect? I’ve actually been concerned about Streamload long before these latest technical issues arose - mainly because of what I felt was a lack of communication from the company on what was going on and a lack of progress in development. For a company that had struck so many large deals and was attempting to implement a API like Amazon’s S3, things seemed to be sitting dead in the water (for example, the beta software that never progresses). I still keep Streamload in mind, but they will have to change a lot for me to ever depend on them again. Most significantly - I like open communications from the company to the customer. The blog should be updated on almost a daily basis explaining what is going on behind the scenes and setting me up to anticipate what is next. A company that has blown away my expectations repeatedly has been OpenDNS.

  23. N/A

    I used to work for Streamload and while I am not justifying their recent actions I do have faith in Steve and his attitude towards his customers. If you will notice, the most turbulent of times came when that tool Patrick Harr was running the show. Now that Steve is back in the driver’s seat I do believe he will turn things around. In working with Steve I saw his commitment to the customers and his frustrations with the hurdles. Steve always treated me respectfully and showed his appreciation for my work. I believe he can fix what Patrick has broken.

  24. NAA

    N/A - Pray tell how Patrick “broke” streamload.

  25. johndoen

    The comment of Steve is interesting because it already says more then thousand of users have been tool so far.
    Besides lost files there are still major problems with uploading, files don’t show up. Support doesn’t answer or when it happens after weeks and only offers an automated answer or free downloads but never some real answers.
    Lots of users are sick of paying for the service and since the move to mediamax almost a year ago it has been only trouble. I am considering to cancel my subscription as well if the service doesn’t improve very quick and I heard of many others who already did so or are consering to do that asap.

  26. deali

    I think that MM is done. I am a Streamload user since the early times. I have many music cd on their servers. If i try to download an album, maybe (if i am lucky) 20% of th files will arrive on my computer. This is frustrating! But since the move to Chicago the whole service is useless to me.
    I also don´t belive that they had a major crash and then the movement caused additional problems.
    Since they became MediaMax everything is bad. Their web-interface is a joke, their download-manager is a joke but most frustration comes from their customer handling. I can accept that problems occur, but i don´t want to hear lies regardless how bad things are.
    I canceld my subscription and not even got an answer from billing at streamload dot com.

  27. Eric

    I have used streamload for about 2 years now. It was fine for me as Streamload but the “processing time” after an upload took awhile. I was happy with the move to mediamax as the interface got better for the only think that I do with it, share in-car race videos from my amateur road-racing weekends. Based on other comments, I guess I am fortunate as nothing was lost from my site but they definately screwed up the DC migration. About a week ago, my first successful upload in a month actually took place (21MB file at that). They initially sent out replies to trouble tickets with the “be patient” but after about 3 weeks, they stopped. I just paid for another year in May or I would already have moved on. Since what I do is so low-key and infrequent, I doubt that I’ll move as I believe they will get through a poorly-executed relocation.

  28. BillCompton

    Considering a large portion of Streamload customers use the service to trade pirated music, movies, and anime, I have little sympathy for the people who complain that they couldn’t download their “albums” from the service. On the other hand, I definitely feel the pain of people who use the service for more legitimate reasons. I’ve lost hundreds of megabytes worth of vacation photos. I’m glad that I’d put up the most important of those photos on Flickr, otherwise I would have lost every single photograph and digital video I’ve ever taken on my last three vacations. The guys/girls at Streamload certainly have their work cut out for them.

  29. deali

    I have no sympathy for people who give their files (photograph and digital video) away in the hands of someone else and then complain if these files are gone. I have at least my CD´s which i can rip again and then edit the ID tags.
    But regardless what one is using the service for, it is not ok to charge and don´t deliver.
    By the way, Bradley is stopping to build M2 / M3 because they are used in illegal wars and Cadillac is stopping to building cars because some were use in bank robberys.
    If i lose my vacation photos i just go there again! But not everybody can afford that. Fore some even a 160 GByte Harddisk is too mutch and they have to use free Online-Storage

  30. eugene

    BillCompton
    do ya really think SL/MM is in need of your few 100 Megabytes?
    What kind of contract do ya have?

  31. Mx

    ====
    Streamload CTO said…..
    Having said that, three weeks ago I took over as CEO again and will be able to monitor the service and customer needs more closely and hopefully bring back the customer satisfaction that was built since I started the company 9 years ago.
    ====
    All the problems last week and the loss of my baby pictures and videos are probably related to technical issues and which I think is the responsibility of the CTO? If he was the CTO, shouldn’t he be fired rather than the CEO?
    If the CTO is able to kick the CEO out, was the CEO really a CEO or just a dummy?
    If he can’t do a good job of the CTO, how is he going to perform as a CEO?
    Moving to Box.net.
    MX

  32. James

    Steve was the idiot that allowed the premature switch from Streamload to Mediamax last summer (actually, it was the BoD that was blindly pushing due to some non-existent potential funding and Steve that was too spineless (or clueless) to push back)

    Patrick is the new idiot that has allowed Mediamax to be thrown under the bus and wholesale moved to a new, unproven datacenter this summer (probably another push from the idiots on the BoD and clearly a complete lack of understanding of his own companies capability)

    So, the bottom line - shame on Steve and shame on Patrick for screwing there paying customers in effort to position the company to something greater than it is capable of accomplishing (I say shame on Steve the most as he was the CEO during the first several week outage and is the founder AND now the CTO during this second several week outage - essentially, Steve is the one that has allowed both of the catastrophic events to occur)

  33. Keith Mans

    I have been trying to get Media Max to get their service back to normal for quite awhile now through mails to different people at Media Max. I had one reply from Steve and one from Michele a week ago. Having written several more to above and receiving no response, today was going to be the day when I set some wheels in motion through contacts in the mass media I have, but someone sent me the link to this page so I could read what Steve had to say.
    At last some truth, I do think Steve should make that reply more accessible to all Media Max users. For now I will hold of on what I was going to do, as once started I will have no control over it, (it will be in the hands of others).
    Patience does have a Time Span though

  34. N/A

    I am waiting for that numbskull “Commander Riker” to chime in. He was whining about SOMETHING every other day or so! ;)

  35. WillTRiker

    I see my fame preceeds me where ever I go. Yay me.

    To set at least one thing straight. Streamload did not censor or delete their blog …. there was no need to as the comment function of it has been disabled since march 2006.

    As for the whining … if you pay for an online storage service to which you can’t upload for a month now, that you can’t download previously uploaded files from, that somehow overlooked that a couple of odd characters used by their customers make part of what they have stored inaccessable for months, have another bug that at random deletes and sometimes move files you have stored when you try and work in the filemanager, a bug that’s been present since octobre 2006 and in essence we got from a working system to a bug riddled overhyped service which in fact misses a lot of the features V4 had …. I think one is entitled to some whining. Especially if one gets the feeling when one looks at the company blog that they’re either blind to their customers problem or downplaying the problems and also when one looks at how long some problems exist without it being fixed.

    Little over a year ago I was an avid streamload user, but ever since MediaMax came into light … and especially since octobre 2006 when it really broke down for ‘me’ I’ve become mightily unhappy with the apparent lack of improvement and MMs progress in fixing their own mess and the fact that blogs/threads like this exit is a sorry state of affairs for a service I once would have recommended to anyone.

  36. N/A

    Naw you were just pretty visible as one who was always complaining. :)

  37. N/A

    btw, I agree v4 was much more reliable.

  38. N/A

    A hellish summer.

    I think you should correct that to a hellish year.

    They ‘inflicted’ Mediamax on us paying customers in the summer of 2006 and it has not worked correctly since.

    I work in IT and if I had done a roll out like this…well I wouldn’t be working in IT anymore.

    They have taken payment from customers and aside from the lousy blog they use they have not informed customers what was going on.

    The customer service is non-existent, no email replies, the phone number is not listed on the site…hhmmm I wonder why, and when you do track it down they don’t answer.

    I have sent numerous emails asking for a refund and heard nothing, they didn’t even acknowledge my account cancellation.

    Steve Iverson is nothing but a thief, and he can rest assured I will make it a personal mission to slate Mediamax at every given opportunity.

    Mediamax does not work and hasn’t done so for a year.

    DO NOT USE THIS COMPANY

  39. N/A

    If anything I think Steve is a bit over his head. But knowing him personally I know he truly cares about his customers. And while you as an outsider may not see this, you cannot adequately cast judgment on something you do not have the full story on. I’ve worked there and I know him as a CEO and a human being. He really is one of the most genuine people you can know.

  40. WillTRiker

    Perhaps but that doesn’t alter the fact that a lot of customers have been left out to dry paying for a service that works little to none at all for over a year already. Not exactly what I call caring about your customers.

    They should have taken my advice and hire outside help a long time ago as obviously with the switch from V4 to MediaMax so much has gone wrong that the current crew of MM can’t get themselves out of the hole they dug for themselves.

  41. Roy Gunnels

    I am infuriated that Mediamax continues to debit each month for my monthly payment and I cant access my files, personal and precious files gathered over some years. And the ‘hiccup’ message is incredibly condescending and makes me angrier, plus the lack of customer service, nothing but an autoreply. I’m trying to link with others to perhaps begin some kind of class-action suit against Mediamax, ive already been told that what they are doing, continueing to sell and charge for a service that doesnt work, is fraud.

  42. deali

    Thank you for your email. I am sorry to hear of the issues. Which
    method of downloading are you attempting? What happens when you try? Are you
    getting specific error messages? Please let ms know and I will do my
    best to assist. Thank you.

    These suckers now exactly what is going on! I can try every method, nothing works. I am on my way to RapidShare. Too bad that i payed them till next year.

    My suggestion - just leave MediaSuck, don´t belive them anything… They are history.

  43. Yogiboar

    When I complained at the dismal performance, I was offered three additional months free on top of my annual sub.
    Trouble is it means three additional months of trouble, based on current performance.

  44. johndoen

    By coincidence my credit card expired in june so I was mailed to
    give new details. I postponed this and suggested to cancel if the service
    doesn’t improve. I got mailed by billing with the proposal of 3 months free downloads. I replied by asking for 3 months free download and start new payments no sooner then 1st of october. Still no reply on that one.
    I can only suggest to all others postpone your financial dealings to see if the service will improve. There is enough coverage from forums to hear if it is indeed improving. You can change your card details to something invalid
    The only downside is that I now can’t access at all

  45. Albatross

    Uploading!?!

    Cannot connect to upload squat (was terribly slow since last summers change) and as for downloading, I have not been able to download ANYTHING I have except the MM trite error message for the past three weeks!

    This, on top of the double-billing crap I had to go through last year and was not resolved until this year, after threats from PayPal and Legal Action, was anything done.

    Of course before the inability to download or upload, the cheat from MM of double and triple dinging my download quotient (e.g. - 150MB DL was deducted as a 300-450MB DL) has been going on since at least March of this year for my account and others too I have spoken to who use MM.

    A

  46. Yahbigswish

    Wow I thought I was alone. I am not sure if so many people having problems is reassuring though…

  47. deali

    I just found out that they charged me in may for a whole year instead in september. These people are criminals…

  48. johndoen

    See also another interesting post considering mediamax

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....amazon-s3/

    It seems like a conflict of interests? Or could it be mediamax and all his users (including me) are used as a try out for nirvanix? Is Patrick Harr really the one to blame for the current mess mediamax is in?

  49. JD

    Here’s the comment somebody got from the big boss Steve himself

    Yes, that article is true. Unfortunately, I (and MediaMax) am under a strict confidentiality agreement that prevents me from providing any additional details at this time. Michael at Techcrunch did his homework and put together all this information from an unknown source – we did not provide it to him as Nirvanix has wanted to wait until their launch to announce their new company.

    No – this is very good news for MediaMax and does not change anything we’ve said. We still currently have the same problems we have detailed and are working to solve them. The rushed datacenter move was a result of this split, but now we are a separate operating entity and can concentrate 100% on MediaMax. Everyone at MediaMax is very pleased about this split (it’s a good thing to now only having to concentrate on 1 thing – build the best consumer file storage and sharing web site) and our customers should see a massive improvement later this year.

    -Steve

    This looks like nirvanix is a spin off. This Patrick Harr first gets all the blame and now he’s involved in this nirvanix. what kind of game are they playing with all their paying customers??? It is really pissing me off because I am thinking they are using us paying customers for testing on behalve of this nirvanix. When it’s done probably mm goes broke.

    What does it mean expect a massive improvement later this year?
    On other posts Steve and some of his crew like John Hood are saying they are working on their problems now. These problems are already going on for 8 weeks. Why is it not solved by now. If I leave these kind of problems for my boss our company will be bankrupt in less then 8 weeks.
    They are still not telling everything and I fear it will not be solved. So my 2 cents for everybody who is a customer at mediamax postpone or cancel any payments.

  50. deali

    i am wondering that no computer magazine is looking into this

    My recommendation: do not give these mafiosi any cash

  51. Internet Radio Stations

    For us it is a serious situation, hundreds of our Music streams which feed
    our many Stations were stored on Streamload. We can no longer excess
    these streams, they simply do not work. it has been over a Month, no
    response from support, and nothing works , we do have some mp3 cd backups, but seems we have lost hundreds of music files.
    This Company should not be allowed to continue operations, it takes peoples money while they destroy and loose valuable files.
    The Internet should not support these companies, or allow them to exsist..

  52. JD

    There was somebody posting here who claimed to be working at streamload / mediamax. Can you please shed some light on this situation and possibly also the nirvanix relationship? Was mediamax indeed a testbed for nirvanix?

  53. Jorge Gutierrez

    I know someone at Nirvanix and though there are all sorts of NDAs I would guess that is the case.

  54. Benno

    i ´ve got 20 tb on SL(MM) but all my files are down and i can´t get anything of it but i payed also for the “GOOD” Services

    cu

  55. JD

    There is a new post on mm blog http://mediamaxblog.blogspot.com/
    where they deny that mm was a testbed for nirvanix and they explain a bit more
    It is unbelievable how many mistakes were made. It doesn’t explain why after a major data loss on june 15 they continued a data migration on june 22 The recovery will take many more weeks. Why this takes so long is also not explained and impossible to understand. If this happens at my company it will be broke in less time

  56. Bobby Au

    I have an account with streamload mediamax and uploaded many important files but after like 5-6 months later they disappear. When I click on the files a message would say MediaMax encountered an error. This service from MediaMax is not reliable. I don’t recommended people using this service unless they don’t care whether there files get deleted once in a while.

  57. JD

    They explained a data loss, see also their blog
    http://mediamaxblog.blogspot.com/
    This happend on june 15, we are 2 months from that now. This should not take so long. I don’t know the amount of data lost but tapestreamers are able to recover at least 1 mb per second (probably much higher), so in 2 months roughly 5060 Gb

  58. deali

    These are evil people! They don´t let the paying users know what is going on, their blog is bullshit except for the last one… I trie from time to time to download something but without succsess (app. 60 files in different locations). I bet they will not make it and all the unhappy users can switch to nirvanix foor a special price…

    But it is my own fault… I will never pay for a year in advance! I whish MediaMax (the fileshredder specialists) all the bad on earth! Not because they made some errors, no, because the lie to their custoers.

    Deali

  59. Eric

    I am ending my accout this month after a year of not being able to use my MediaMax account as I did with Streamload. I consider MediaMax to be fraud as they took their once trusting service and switched it with a bunch of empty promises as they line their pockets with our money. I do not recommend this to anybody.