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	<title>Comments on: VisualSize To Give Accurate 3D Measurements From Photos</title>
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		<title>By: FURTADO, O., Jr. [blog] &#187; Accurate 3D Measurements From Photos</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-2501555</link>
		<dc:creator>FURTADO, O., Jr. [blog] &#187; Accurate 3D Measurements From Photos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recently filmed my students performing fundamental movement skills with the intent to use the results for evaluation. Although I had previously standardized the test conditions, I noticed, by looking at the videos, that the distance used for performance seemed different from the first group of students to the last ones. Thanks to Visualize, I can take a still frame from the video and measure the exactly distance used by all students. This will ensure the standardization of the test was accurate. An article about Visualize can be found here [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I recently filmed my students performing fundamental movement skills with the intent to use the results for evaluation. Although I had previously standardized the test conditions, I noticed, by looking at the videos, that the distance used for performance seemed different from the first group of students to the last ones. Thanks to Visualize, I can take a still frame from the video and measure the exactly distance used by all students. This will ensure the standardization of the test was accurate. An article about Visualize can be found here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Earthmine Aims to Index the Real World with 3D Panoramas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1658855</link>
		<dc:creator>Earthmine Aims to Index the Real World with 3D Panoramas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our coverage of other companies who are innovating with 3D technology: Photosynth, Everyscape, and Fotowoosh are developing technologies that convert 2D photographs into 3D models; Microsoft has developed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] our coverage of other companies who are innovating with 3D technology: Photosynth, Everyscape, and Fotowoosh are developing technologies that convert 2D photographs into 3D models; Microsoft has developed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A new fraud on the Internet</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1540405</link>
		<dc:creator>A new fraud on the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A new fraud on the Internet...&lt;/strong&gt;

A new fraud on the Internet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A new fraud on the Internet&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A new fraud on the Internet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: didier</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1532643</link>
		<dc:creator>didier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CAD browser is specialy developped for TechCrunch or it's a standard ?
what's format of export files are available ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CAD browser is specialy developped for TechCrunch or it&#8217;s a standard ?<br />
what&#8217;s format of export files are available ?</p>
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		<title>By: didier</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1532614</link>
		<dc:creator>didier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Houa !

It's very funy for the re-building of the old building. But of course , it's the same technologie like Pixdim !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Houa !</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very funy for the re-building of the old building. But of course , it&#8217;s the same technologie like Pixdim !</p>
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		<title>By: mt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to provide a new plugin for Google SketchUp with, it seems, similar technology.
Pixdim - http://www.pixdim.com  
It does similar measurements under Google SketchUp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to provide a new plugin for Google SketchUp with, it seems, similar technology.<br />
Pixdim - <a href="http://www.pixdim.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pixdim.com</a><br />
It does similar measurements under Google SketchUp.</p>
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		<title>By: luca</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1525818</link>
		<dc:creator>luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the method used by NASA to allow their rover to reconstruct 3d models or Mars environment.
It would be cool to have a freeware version of this algorithm to apply it on my home-made robot! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the method used by NASA to allow their rover to reconstruct 3d models or Mars environment.<br />
It would be cool to have a freeware version of this algorithm to apply it on my home-made robot! <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Odds and ends &#171; The Aesthetic Elevator</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1521535</link>
		<dc:creator>Odds and ends &#171; The Aesthetic Elevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Accurate measurements from photographs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: e Being</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1519778</link>
		<dc:creator>e Being</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to provide related tools so some readers could have a better big picture.

A: Take two photos with your hand-held digital camera… and then perform 3D measurement.

iWitness - http://www.geocomp.com.au/

PhotoModeler - http://www.photomodeler.com/

Another interesting one to measures all objects in A photo (certainly with a different ‘technique’)
iPhotoMEASURE - http://www.iphotomeasure.com/


B: If the input source is aerial oblique photo, we probably have to mention the following two companies and their 3D measuring and modelling software. Pictometry’s aerial oblique photo has become a shining feature of its virtual globe platform (Virtual Earth) and been heavily explored for the reconstruction of immersive 3D land surfaces. The technology underlying this sort of things is becoming more relevant than ever as the competition for presenting a better virtual globe intensifies. 

Pictometry  www.pictometry.com
MultiVision http://www.mv-usa.com/

C: If the input source is space-based satellite imagery, too many algorithms and tools to be listed here for 3D measurement and reconstruction … Of course, it can be argued that in this case the main photogrammetric algorithm is different with some similarities ...

All are interesting developments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to provide related tools so some readers could have a better big picture.</p>
<p>A: Take two photos with your hand-held digital camera… and then perform 3D measurement.</p>
<p>iWitness - <a href="http://www.geocomp.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocomp.com.au/</a></p>
<p>PhotoModeler - <a href="http://www.photomodeler.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.photomodeler.com/</a></p>
<p>Another interesting one to measures all objects in A photo (certainly with a different ‘technique’)<br />
iPhotoMEASURE - <a href="http://www.iphotomeasure.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iphotomeasure.com/</a></p>
<p>B: If the input source is aerial oblique photo, we probably have to mention the following two companies and their 3D measuring and modelling software. Pictometry’s aerial oblique photo has become a shining feature of its virtual globe platform (Virtual Earth) and been heavily explored for the reconstruction of immersive 3D land surfaces. The technology underlying this sort of things is becoming more relevant than ever as the competition for presenting a better virtual globe intensifies. </p>
<p>Pictometry  <a href="http://www.pictometry.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pictometry.com</a><br />
MultiVision <a href="http://www.mv-usa.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mv-usa.com/</a></p>
<p>C: If the input source is space-based satellite imagery, too many algorithms and tools to be listed here for 3D measurement and reconstruction … Of course, it can be argued that in this case the main photogrammetric algorithm is different with some similarities &#8230;</p>
<p>All are interesting developments!</p>
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		<title>By: BritishYosef</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1515177</link>
		<dc:creator>BritishYosef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds awesome... looking forward to testing it out!</description>
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		<title>By: Overheard In Providence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Measurements from images</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1514576</link>
		<dc:creator>Overheard In Providence &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Measurements from images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] someone could either sell, or put online. Since no one from the class did this, I&#8217;m was glad to read that a company called VisualSize will offer a similar [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1514353</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a pretty cool idea. Especially useful for my upcoming home improvements, as you noted in the main article.</description>
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		<title>By: Yuan-Fang Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1514297</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuan-Fang Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike:

We have tested our algorithms on both indoor and outdoor images with different lighting and weather conditions. Man-in-the-loop is often unncessary (but the user does have to click on the objects that he/she wants to measure). Robustness is provided against errors in feature localization and correspondence. The algorithm always converges as no iteration is needed. 

We will be happy to send  you an invite code when the user interface is completed, if you are interested in participating in beta testing. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at info@visualsize.com

-- Yuan-fang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike:</p>
<p>We have tested our algorithms on both indoor and outdoor images with different lighting and weather conditions. Man-in-the-loop is often unncessary (but the user does have to click on the objects that he/she wants to measure). Robustness is provided against errors in feature localization and correspondence. The algorithm always converges as no iteration is needed. </p>
<p>We will be happy to send  you an invite code when the user interface is completed, if you are interested in participating in beta testing. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <a href="mailto:info@visualsize.com">info@visualsize.com</a></p>
<p>&#8211; Yuan-fang</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513908</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ping and Yuang-fang,
it seems that what you are doing is some close range photogrametry preceded with (claimed - as the service is not open yet) roubust segmentation and feature extraction algorithms.
obviously this is not something totally new and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
from my experience in such areas it would be *extremely* surprising if the application will allow for:
- ANY kind of input imagry (people, trees, buildings, water, interior) no  
  matter how complex and irregular or how many undercuts or occlusions 
  there are in the scene or what lighting levels are present
- no man in the loop intervention AT ALL
- complete roubustness - the algorithm will always converge quickly and 
   with no artifacts and will yield accurate results for any given two  
   measurement points in the picture

is this what you are claiming?
if your rev model is indeed licensing the API - will there be the ability to tune the algorithms for various applications?

who do i need to pay off to get a beta code ;)

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ping and Yuang-fang,<br />
it seems that what you are doing is some close range photogrametry preceded with (claimed - as the service is not open yet) roubust segmentation and feature extraction algorithms.<br />
obviously this is not something totally new and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.<br />
from my experience in such areas it would be *extremely* surprising if the application will allow for:<br />
- ANY kind of input imagry (people, trees, buildings, water, interior) no<br />
  matter how complex and irregular or how many undercuts or occlusions<br />
  there are in the scene or what lighting levels are present<br />
- no man in the loop intervention AT ALL<br />
- complete roubustness - the algorithm will always converge quickly and<br />
   with no artifacts and will yield accurate results for any given two<br />
   measurement points in the picture</p>
<p>is this what you are claiming?<br />
if your rev model is indeed licensing the API - will there be the ability to tune the algorithms for various applications?</p>
<p>who do i need to pay off to get a beta code <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: tm</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513822</link>
		<dc:creator>tm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea is interesting and its implementation as promised seems to be very useful.  I can easily think of many potential applications.  It would be encouraging if a start-up company like this one, instead of Microsoft, Google, or any well-established Software company, can successfully bring this development into fruition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea is interesting and its implementation as promised seems to be very useful.  I can easily think of many potential applications.  It would be encouraging if a start-up company like this one, instead of Microsoft, Google, or any well-established Software company, can successfully bring this development into fruition.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane L.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513821</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this development of 3D measurement could potentially have a significant impact in various fields of applications. It is quite unique in that it is accurate and simple to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this development of 3D measurement could potentially have a significant impact in various fields of applications. It is quite unique in that it is accurate and simple to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuan-Fang Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513476</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuan-Fang Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vanr:

Google Photomatch is geared toward modeling (to generate dense 3D structures), not metrology (to obtain sparse 3D measurements). It makes some special assumptions about the scene (i.e., a two-point perspective model) to establish the position, orientation, and scale of the 3D model. In more detail,  

(1)	parallel lines and vanishing points are used to establish the model orientation,
(2)	one single reference point (origin) is used to establish the model location, and 
(3)	one single length to establish the model scale 

Our system requires only (3) but not (1) and (2). The reason is that 3D dimensions (length, area, volume) are not affected by translation (different positions) and rotation (different orientations).  Hence, if the goal is 3D metrology, requiring (1) and (2) only limits your applicability. The bottom line is that you do not need to build a complete computerized 3D model of the scene (which requires significant user interaction and can be quite computationally intensive and time consuming) to obtain a few 3D measurements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vanr:</p>
<p>Google Photomatch is geared toward modeling (to generate dense 3D structures), not metrology (to obtain sparse 3D measurements). It makes some special assumptions about the scene (i.e., a two-point perspective model) to establish the position, orientation, and scale of the 3D model. In more detail,  </p>
<p>(1)	parallel lines and vanishing points are used to establish the model orientation,<br />
(2)	one single reference point (origin) is used to establish the model location, and<br />
(3)	one single length to establish the model scale </p>
<p>Our system requires only (3) but not (1) and (2). The reason is that 3D dimensions (length, area, volume) are not affected by translation (different positions) and rotation (different orientations).  Hence, if the goal is 3D metrology, requiring (1) and (2) only limits your applicability. The bottom line is that you do not need to build a complete computerized 3D model of the scene (which requires significant user interaction and can be quite computationally intensive and time consuming) to obtain a few 3D measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: dogmarcopolo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513284</link>
		<dc:creator>dogmarcopolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to posting from MK: I used ipohotomeasure’s software before and it simply didn’t work. You cannot measure anything that is not on the same plane, and not too far away, from their target. 

The idea of Visualsize sounds more correct (we have two eyes for perceiving three dimensions). I can see a lot of applications for this. The effort seems to be minimal – just one more click of the camera button. if the claim is true (you don't even need to measure the movement of the camera between the two photos), it would be very cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to posting from MK: I used ipohotomeasure’s software before and it simply didn’t work. You cannot measure anything that is not on the same plane, and not too far away, from their target. </p>
<p>The idea of Visualsize sounds more correct (we have two eyes for perceiving three dimensions). I can see a lot of applications for this. The effort seems to be minimal – just one more click of the camera button. if the claim is true (you don&#8217;t even need to measure the movement of the camera between the two photos), it would be very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: vanr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1513076</link>
		<dc:creator>vanr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Sketchup already has this.  It's called PhotoMatch.

It took me about four hours to learn how to use it, so there's probably room for improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Sketchup already has this.  It&#8217;s called PhotoMatch.</p>
<p>It took me about four hours to learn how to use it, so there&#8217;s probably room for improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Ping Liang</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512949</link>
		<dc:creator>Ping Liang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,
You are correct that lots work has been done in 3D modeling and stereo vision, and Microsoft and Google have the resources to do similar things.  We are familiar with the publications in the field and have published in the field ourselves. 

Technology from Photosynth can be adapted to give measurements with some additional work. Photosynth was developed with very different goals and usage scenarios. It has taken a lot of work for Microsoft to build a few demo models. The key is to be able to get back accurate measurement results fast with very simple and intuitive user interface. Our system is optimized for just that: picking the right features and just the right number of features, quickly infer the camera motion and get accurate measurement, know when the measurements are accurate and when they are not. We believe we are doing this better than anyone else. 

We do not try to reconstruct the entire 3D scene, just enough information for us to get the measurements, faster and more accurate than anyone else, at least so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
You are correct that lots work has been done in 3D modeling and stereo vision, and Microsoft and Google have the resources to do similar things.  We are familiar with the publications in the field and have published in the field ourselves. </p>
<p>Technology from Photosynth can be adapted to give measurements with some additional work. Photosynth was developed with very different goals and usage scenarios. It has taken a lot of work for Microsoft to build a few demo models. The key is to be able to get back accurate measurement results fast with very simple and intuitive user interface. Our system is optimized for just that: picking the right features and just the right number of features, quickly infer the camera motion and get accurate measurement, know when the measurements are accurate and when they are not. We believe we are doing this better than anyone else. </p>
<p>We do not try to reconstruct the entire 3D scene, just enough information for us to get the measurements, faster and more accurate than anyone else, at least so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Park</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512930</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think VisualSize could be useful to online clothing stores if it can be adapted to body shape. Clothing size is not an exact science so being able to order the right size by uploading a photo of yourself and your height will be compelling. With enough photos, one should be able to build and maintain full 3D measurement to 'virtually try-on' anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think VisualSize could be useful to online clothing stores if it can be adapted to body shape. Clothing size is not an exact science so being able to order the right size by uploading a photo of yourself and your height will be compelling. With enough photos, one should be able to build and maintain full 3D measurement to &#8216;virtually try-on&#8217; anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick, somebody try this on some porn sites and report back with results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick, somebody try this on some porn sites and report back with results.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuan-Fang Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512839</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuan-Fang Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex:

Thank you for your comments. From a theoretical point of view, it is provable mathematically that 

(1)	You cannot recover 3D structure from a single image, without some prior information, domain-specific knowledge, and/or special imaging configuration, and 
(2)	You cannot obtain true 3D dimensions from discrete photographs (even from continuous videos) alone without some external reference of a known size.

Hence, to be a GENERAL 3D metrology system, you must use at least two photographs with a reference of a known size – this is what our system is designed to do. Anything less must fail for certain configurations or is applicable only for limited application domains and/or imaging configurations. Again, this is a mathematically-provable fact. 

Furthermore, even with two pictures you must somehow obtain the movement of the camera between the two shots (i.e., the stereo baseline). For consumer applications, it is unrealistic to assume that an expensive, calibrated stereo rig is available or the user can tell you, with precision, how the two pictures are taken. Our algorithm recovers the movement automatically with high precision.

Thanks.  


Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex:</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments. From a theoretical point of view, it is provable mathematically that </p>
<p>(1)	You cannot recover 3D structure from a single image, without some prior information, domain-specific knowledge, and/or special imaging configuration, and<br />
(2)	You cannot obtain true 3D dimensions from discrete photographs (even from continuous videos) alone without some external reference of a known size.</p>
<p>Hence, to be a GENERAL 3D metrology system, you must use at least two photographs with a reference of a known size – this is what our system is designed to do. Anything less must fail for certain configurations or is applicable only for limited application domains and/or imaging configurations. Again, this is a mathematically-provable fact. </p>
<p>Furthermore, even with two pictures you must somehow obtain the movement of the camera between the two shots (i.e., the stereo baseline). For consumer applications, it is unrealistic to assume that an expensive, calibrated stereo rig is available or the user can tell you, with precision, how the two pictures are taken. Our algorithm recovers the movement automatically with high precision.</p>
<p>Thanks.  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: therry</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512834</link>
		<dc:creator>therry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This isn’t as sexy as, say, what Fotowoosh is doing by creating 3D images from a single 2D photo."

Well, except they don't do it, neved did and probably never will.
Looks like you did not read the comments to your own post.

The 4 pages "web site" did not change for the past 3 months.
Even the so called demo wasn't originally produced by fotowoosh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This isn’t as sexy as, say, what Fotowoosh is doing by creating 3D images from a single 2D photo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, except they don&#8217;t do it, neved did and probably never will.<br />
Looks like you did not read the comments to your own post.</p>
<p>The 4 pages &#8220;web site&#8221; did not change for the past 3 months.<br />
Even the so called demo wasn&#8217;t originally produced by fotowoosh.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/22/visualsize-to-give-accurate-3d-measurements-from-photos/#comment-1512815</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SilverEye does do measurements, I used it regularly back then.  You are correct though, it is limited to using satellite imagery in the versions released.  That said, there is no reason they could not use the same algorithms to measure other things I imagine.  

As for the arbitrary placement of the camera, yes that is a strong advantage to systems that know about camera position like most photogrametry systems.  That, ironically, sounds like the technology for creating 3D models from arbitrary photos in Microsoft Photosynth: http://labs.live.com/photosynth/

I agree with the comments, this is very useful technology.  I just wonder how commodity it will be very soon.  Seems like there is a lot of work in this space already and that it is likely others can easilly match these technologies and don't need to use them as direct revenue products or can use them as loss leaders for other things.  It would be naive to underestimate the abilities of Microsoft or Google in this space with all their recent build up of photogrammetery and related technologies over the last few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SilverEye does do measurements, I used it regularly back then.  You are correct though, it is limited to using satellite imagery in the versions released.  That said, there is no reason they could not use the same algorithms to measure other things I imagine.  </p>
<p>As for the arbitrary placement of the camera, yes that is a strong advantage to systems that know about camera position like most photogrametry systems.  That, ironically, sounds like the technology for creating 3D models from arbitrary photos in Microsoft Photosynth: <a href="http://labs.live.com/photosynth/" rel="nofollow">http://labs.live.com/photosynth/</a></p>
<p>I agree with the comments, this is very useful technology.  I just wonder how commodity it will be very soon.  Seems like there is a lot of work in this space already and that it is likely others can easilly match these technologies and don&#8217;t need to use them as direct revenue products or can use them as loss leaders for other things.  It would be naive to underestimate the abilities of Microsoft or Google in this space with all their recent build up of photogrammetery and related technologies over the last few years.</p>
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