Linden Lab, the creators of Second Life, may be extending their crackdown on “Broadly Offensive” behavior to Bestiality, following attempts to remove virtual pedophilia (or Age-Play) from Second Life in March.
The Second Life Herald (NSFW) goes on to ask whether consenting adults dressing up like animals and partaking in virtual sex with each other or with human shaped avatars (virtual bestiality) constitutes broadly offensive behavior.
“Furries” have a long history in Second Life, and new users are presented with the option of taking an animal form when first setting up their avatars.
Second Life fans will argue that sex-based play in Second Life only makes up a small portion of Second Life, but it remains a popular pursuit; the popular destination lists for Second Life regularly feature nightclubs and dedicated sex spots (or as is sometimes the case, nightclubs that are sex spots as well).
The arguments for and against this sort of behavior can and does result in heated debate; on one hand what consenting adults do virtually with one and other should be strictly up to them, on the other hand these acts aren’t being done in complete privacy but in a virtual world were others may be exposed to it.
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Wow, I always thought it was spelled ‘beastiality’.
I think it’ll be difficult for them to determine the line at which things are okay and not okay. I almost think you have to say everything is okay, or nothing is… because it’s a short jump from an anthropomorphic wolf to a semi-anthropomorphic wolf to a realistic looking one. Are they going to have to say, “That avatar is too realistic looking for it to participate in sexual activity”?
Now - I COULD see them relegating R-rated activities to certain areas - which I think would be GREAT (if that’s not already in effect), however, I just see this as a very difficult thing for them to try to do; police virtual behavior in a world where pretty much anything can be done.
The other thing is…. in a way, isn’t allowing people to participate in such things possibly relieving some of their desire to do it in real life? In other words, someone who would otherwise be doing this for real might be not feel it necessary if they can participate in it online. Just a thought. Not that I agree with the behavior, but I’d rather have people that are expressing their interests in a completely harmless environment than actually doing it, huh?
(Comment from a furry.)
How is this crap from second life news? Do I really need to hear any of this? Do they even make money? They are basically a failure compared to any other game and I for one am tired of hearing about them. If I **** a horse in a video game I guess that makes it news? Ug. This stupid game gets non stop press because of all the stupid stuff in it. And even with that press they barely grow the userbase. That’s a good sign it’s a failure.
Also I should say…as easy as it is to mark SL as a sexual haven for the most extreme fetishes, in reality (or i suppose virtual reality) this is a very small part of the community.
You are correct about the popular list being dominated by night clubs and sex clubs. However the reason for this these locations “game” the system. They use camping chairs that pay residents to sit in their area for long periods of time. This artificially inflates their traffic numbers and brings them to the top 20 list.
As far as what I think, you should be able to do anything you want in SL. However some things (like this) should be done in a private location, not in view of any virtual passer by.
“(if that’s not already in effect)”
It is. There are “PG” and “Mature” regions, even though Second Life’s Main Grid (as opposed to the Teen Grid) is 18 and over. And the “PG” areas have long been handled with under 18 gloves.
There is also the forthcoming “Adult” system; part of some new Age Verification program iirc, which I expect will somehow be tied into their “grid of grids” effort and perhaps even their portable avatar work.
IT’S A FUCKING GAME
Don Wilson (comment 3)
I double checked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestiality
Did I seriously just read about beastiality on TechCrunch, *and* a citation to the Herald as a source?
Congrats, achievement unlocked.
The planet is dying and I’m on TechCrunch reading about virtual bestiality.
I, and this sucks.
Oh, and also check out my ebay sales…
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfg.....freemilk75
the end is nigh…when TechCrunch starts singing the praises of virtual bestiality!
hey Arrington…Second Life isn’t “real life” it’s just a GAME. You know, something for children to play? Have you ever really tried it? It’s like monopoly, only sillier.
some of the images on the linked story are ridiculous.
Adam, the exchange rate is better in SL than Monopoly I think. I’m not good with numbers so I need to have that double checked, mmkaythanks.
It’s ok, I enjoy it. *neigh*
Kudos to Linden Lab for getting somewhat realistic movement/behavior into the game. I know many blockbuster games that still have moments of zombie and robot-like actions.
And were those dogs or wolves? Hardvore stuff, man.
Adam
Michael didn’t write it, but hey, why be accurate when you’re throwing mud. For the record though I gave no opinion either way on bestiality, although I must admit I’m enjoying some of these comments
In an alternate universe, there are animals debating on their version of TechCruch, about the newsworthiness about SecondLife’s potential ban or curtailing of virtual human sex.
“Kinda gross, if you’re into that sorta thing. And it’s just pretend anyway…”
“NOL!!!” = Neigh Out Loud”
If people are not safe to indulge their innermost perverted fantasies on the internet, then pray tell- where are they safe?
The lure of the forbidden, the abandon of sin, these will forever have an ineluctable fascination for modern, repressed man. People who inhabit Second Life are already escaping the boring mundaneness of their real lives. They go there to be what they dream but cannot attain. They go there to be free.
And if they cannot be free there, they will go elsewhere. Leave the closet pedophiles and secret bestialists. They do no harm.
Awesome. Amusis is the new Abraham Lincoln of Second Life Bestiality rights. Abraham Lincoln or Abe Vigoda…
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfg.....freemilk75
Are you kidding me?
Amusis….If someone is going to act out their sick fucking animal fantasies online then odds are extraordinarly high that they are either doing it in real life or are seriously considering it. It’s laughable to suggest that virtual animal sex is going to appease the suck fuckwads. They are going to be even more apt to try it in real life. Closet my ass….
Sex with animals is just fucked up. If you advocate it then you are a sick, sick twisted person. An animal can’t consent so don’t even give me that horseshit about what “consenting adults” do. It won’t fly here.
I’d be all for allowing what Amusis suggest; that we leave the “closet” pedophiles and secret bestalists alone under one condition: That other players can hunt them down and put virtual bullets into their virtual brains.
Oh…but that’d be offensive, wouldn’t it?
YAY FOR YOU!!!!..applauds you, I have run into the same issues with beastiality but they have brought the RL pix into SL. That ruins it for many that RP as a furry or a feral creature. They are VERY creative individuals, but there are those that drag RL into SL . Such as pix, discussion groups for this sick shit. Leave SL alone and go visit a website elsewhere ya sick fucktards. And at LEAST someone besides me has the same opinion!..KUDOS to YA!..:)
“Whatever” speaks for me. Couldn’t have said it any better…
As if all the other things that go on with second life, or even second life itself, weren’t weird enough….
I watched a documentary on MTV a few years ago about “furries”, which is apparently a large group of people who dress up in animal costumes, like those you see at Six Flags, as a hobby, and some have sex with eachother with the costumes on, or with one who has the costume on. It was weird, weird stuff. MTV showed a couple getting it on. Crazy.
“If someone is going to act out their [...] fantasies online then odds are extraordinarly high that they are either doing it in real life or are seriously considering it”
Welcome to TechCrunch, Jack Thompson! For the record, that assertion is 100% incorrect, but something tells me that you already realize that virtual behavior doesn’t cause or encourage identical real life behavior for the 99% of human beings who are sane, yet since this particular thing offends *YOU*, you allow emotional illogic to cloud your thinking…
Oh, and by the way, did the poor chicken, pig, and cow in your lunch-time McDonald’s double-cheese chicken whopper deluxe with bacon CONSENT to being BRUTALLY SLAUGHTERED so you could have a cheap cholestorol instake for the day? Ah, the human logic of some humans can be silly to the point of sadness.
As for Second Life… I think it’s being invaded by the usual hypocritical religious fanatics en masse to fabricate a “broad” consensus, and Linden Lab is caving to the bottom-line. It wouldn’t surprise me if they expanded their further thought-censorship.
“NOL!!!” = Neigh Out Loud”
That had me RABLMHO!
(Rolling around the barn laughing my hide off!)
even if it is JUST A GAME, I’m not all that interested in a beastiality game…
“For the record, that assertion is 100% incorrect”
Really? Says who? So it makes sense to you that someone who loves to shag ponies online and live out their fantasies online will naturally never tend to have those tendencies in the real world? Yeah…that makes perfect sense. No really. It does. Completely logical that people with urges only satisfy them in a virtual world. Yup. Certainly they would never consider doing it in the real world. Gotcha.
So because we eat animals, then we should just be able to fuck them too? Is this an example of your logic?
Religious fanatics? So anyone who thinks that fucking a dog is sick is a religious fanatic?
So let me see if I can understand your point:
* People’s behavior online has 0% chance of reflecting their identity in the real world.
* Because we eat animals then we should be free to do whatever we please with them. Even fucking them up the ass.
* Anyone who criticizes your behavior, no matter how sickening, is a religious fanatic with an agenda.
Oh…and Linden is caving to the bottom-line? What does that mean? You mean they are concerned for profit? What the fuck else should they be concerned about? They are a for-profit company. For the clueless, that means they are there to make money. And if fucking nutjobs such as yourself are fucking that up for them, they are going to show you the door. Economics 101 for teh win.
I’d like to think Linden Lab had the guts and moral wherewithal to crack down on outrageous, offensive behavior and make sure barely permissible acts and content stay within obvious boundaries (Mature areas, etc.). Instead, I think they’re just trying to do what they think might bring in more business. Remember, just because some people think the Internet is their ticket to acting out their inmost fantasies doesn’t mean everyone uses the Internet for that. I guarantee you a lot of people have been turned off of SL simply because of the over-the-top sexuality and banality. Linden Lab probably feels they need to attract a more mainstream and less dubious clientele, and this crackdown is their strategy. It’s just good business, plain and simple.
I like to talk about stool.
Whatever
I think you need to reflect on the nature of fantasy. It is a safe way to express innermost urges. How many thousands of people go online to assume ludicrous avatars to slay dragons and explore magical lands? Do they use broadswords in real life?
What to say of the thousands who play violent games like Grand Theft Auto or Doom? Do they stand up from their game consols and then go and shoot someone?
We all have secret urges we repress. Most men fantasize about rape at some point- very few will actually do it. Many men fantasize about other men sleeping with their wives. very few will make this fantasy reality. We all like to flirt with the dark side, but most well-adjusted people know that flirting is as far as we should go.
Places like Second Life (or indeed any virtual world) allow us to flirt wthout consequence. They allow us to simple take the fantasies out of our subconscious and make them real. Have you ever deep in your darkest thoughts wondered what it’s like to have sex with a little boy? Or a goat? Another man? A captive, submisive blonde begging for her life?
If you are normal, you probably have. If you are normal you probably also will never act out this fantasies in real life- your social conditioning ensures that. But you can live the virtual fantasy- and given the fantasy chance, you probably will.
Whatever,
“So because we eat animals, then we should just be able to fuck them too?”
What a sad, pathetic question. Try this and think about it “so because we eat our neighbors, then we should just be able to fuck them too?” In other words, if someone did those things to another HUMAN BEING, there would be no question that ending their life without their consent is far WORSE than having sex with them without their consent. But it gets even worse. Animals’ lives aren’t merely ‘ended’ and they aren’t merely ‘eaten’. After being bred from birth and held captive their entire lives, they are BRUTALLY SLAUGHTERED (literally, not figuratively). Then eaten.
But oh no! I thought you said you cared about animal consent! Since the point flew by your head so quickly, I’ll spell it out for you. You said “An animal can’t consent” and used that as part of your reasoning. Well. That’s novel. I call bullshit on you. I called you out for being intellectually DISHONEST because if you truly believed that, you’d give a shit about millions of real animals being FUCKED every day by ranchers’ tools (figuratively). Or are you capable of producing the animal consent forms?
“PIG #03821: I hereby consent to have this nice gentleman with the pick axe forcefully drive the sharp end into my skull repeatedly until I stop breathing and die. I apologize in advance for all the intense squeeling that will ensue as I, in horrendous pain, am being bludgeoned to death. If it were possible, I’d wipe up all the blood and brains spewing from my skull onto the ground afterwards to make it up to you. Finally, I thank you for otherwise respecting my right not to be sexually molested for your pleasure.
Signed,
Mr Piggy. #03821″
Either you believe in animal consent or you don’t. You don’t get to believe in animal consent UP UNTIL the point where you benefit, unless you want to be called out for the hypocrite you are. So yes I assumed you are a carnivore to make my point. I assumed you don’t give a shit about animals’ consent as long as you get to eat them. But I took my chances on that because many people are, as they are socially conditioned by the masses to think that way (the self serving, hypocritical carnivorous human perspective, typically only upset that humans would have sex with non humans, not that non humans have any expectation not to be molested). Thoughts on bestiality also tend to originate from religious dogma (God(s) command(s): murder+eat=good. sex=bad, or be tortured for eternity!!!1), hence that reasonable assumption.
I did not make a point about whether bestiality is moral, instead I attacked the blatant dishonesty in reasoning on why you and anyone thinking like you claim it is immoral.
I also did not make a point about whether Linden Lab should seek a profit, instead I noted that they are doing it, as evidence by policy changes, as certain segments of their customer base increases. This should help others realize that the company’s substantive interest in either “encouragement” or “protection” of consumer content/behavior only extends to equally match the potential profit margin, where others may otherwise presuppose something more substantive (including alleged privacy interests), based on any other PR. (Kinda like AT&T now). From Linden Lab point of view, everything is expendable in Second Life.
As for your Jack Thompson point of view..what can I say, just read TechCrunch (and US Supreme Court decisions).
“Have you ever deep in your darkest thoughts wondered what it’s like to have sex with a little boy? Or a goat? Another man? A captive, submisive blonde begging for her life?”
Are you fucking kidding me? No, I’ve never thought about what’s like to have sex with a little boy. Or a goat. Or a man. Or raping some woman begging for her life. Good grief man!
To the other sick fuck on the forum…So you don’t see any difference in eating an animal and fucking it? True, an animal can’t consent to being eaten. And I would agree that it probably would rather not be eaten.
So, ok..Because we have McDonalds then logically and rationally everyone should be able to buy sheep to fuck them. Yeah, that makes sense.
Thanks for clearing that up.
As for your constant attention to religious dogma, fanaticism, etc…I think it’s pretty clear I’m not fucking religious and I find people that fuck animals to be sick, sick, sick. I didn’t come to this conclusion under the tutelage of a priest or other religous figure. I came to this conclusion because I’m not a sick fuck and humping a dog just seems fucking unnatural and sick.
Pervs like you like to claim that it’s ok to do whatever you want, because you have a right to this or that and go apeshit when “NORMAL” people say “Hey..that’s just fucked up, dude.” Guess what? Us normal people have a right to call bullshit on your sick, disgusting behavior. Since the majority of people think that fucking animals is sick, then the majority get to claim it’s wrong. Welcome to the real world where you don’t get to decide that everything you want to do is perfectly ok. Society gets a say in a lot of things and society says you are fucking nutjob.
You’re welcome.
Hmmm. Why are we talking about animals giving conscent? I have never met anyone playing SL who is not human in RL. Or are all the RL-animals that play SL really hiding behind human AVs acting out their human-sex fantasies? Surely they can’t be over 18yo - few animals live that long!
It was brought to my attention of a particular group that had a RL pic of beastiality for their group insignia, describing.. for the woman who is curious about canine sex RL. I reported this to LL. They have brought RL into SL which is NOT acceptable. And that is NO different than bringing kiddie porn into SL. If people would start checking the groups of others that they RP with, and that is the sort of thing they are into RL. Maybe ostrisize them or have them permanently banned from SL. SL is NO place for that sick, twisted shit. They want that sort of thing..its called google.com. SICK FUCKERS
Also, there are “certain” areas that they discuss beastiality, which they practise in RL. Why do they have to bring that into SL? Isnt a website enough for them? Is fucking a dog or a horse a turn on for them? WTF! Next thing they will be discussing how to molest and/or rape children. KEEP THE RL SICK FUCKS out of SL. Ohh , and another thing.. alot of them dont have their name shown in search.. how fucking chicken shit is that?.. They can dish it out, but they cant handle it. FUCKING LOSERS.
and I DO have more rights than they do..their FUCKING SICK and they are predators
Why on earth should it matter what anyone does to electrons? You could run a virtual Auschwitz on SL and it wouldn’t hurt one cell in a single human body. The whole point of SL is that you can do stuff you don’t do in RL. If we get hung up about what offends people eventually we’ll ban everything that’s fun.