Comments on: D-Day Sunday For Internet Radio As Court Rejects Royalties Appeal http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:18:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: AOL Radio Relaunches, Now Powered By CBS: Going After Local Ads http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-2371287 AOL Radio Relaunches, Now Powered By CBS: Going After Local Ads Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:34:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-2371287 [...] ability to sell local ads was major reason why it won the partnership deal, especially with online music royalties increasing sharply. Lisa Namerow, the general manager of AOL Radio, tells me: The royalties have gone up [...] [...] ability to sell local ads was major reason why it won the partnership deal, especially with online music royalties increasing sharply. Lisa Namerow, the general manager of AOL Radio, tells me: The royalties have gone up [...]

]]> By: AOL Radio Relaunches, Now Powered By CBS: Going After Local Ads | Tipstech.info http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-2370445 AOL Radio Relaunches, Now Powered By CBS: Going After Local Ads | Tipstech.info Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:24:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-2370445 [...] to sell local ads was major reason why it won the partnership deal, especially with on the internet music royalties increasing sharply. Lisa Namerow, the general manager of AOL Radio, tells me: The royalties have gone up [...] [...] to sell local ads was major reason why it won the partnership deal, especially with on the internet music royalties increasing sharply. Lisa Namerow, the general manager of AOL Radio, tells me: The royalties have gone up [...]

]]> By: qzdepot » Blog Archive » D-Day Sunday For Internet Radio As Court Rejects Royalties Appeal http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1694525 qzdepot » Blog Archive » D-Day Sunday For Internet Radio As Court Rejects Royalties Appeal Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:41:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1694525 [...] sourced here [...] [...] sourced here [...]

]]> By: Tech Stuff, Tzunami Information Works « TeachMeTech http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1553200 Tech Stuff, Tzunami Information Works « TeachMeTech Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:34:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1553200 [...] award for best music recommendation service. It’s currently available only in the U.S. due to user/royalty fees for Internet radio stations. Unlike annoyingly intrusive competitor Last.fm, Pandora does not have a rich suitor (though it [...] [...] award for best music recommendation service. It’s currently available only in the U.S. due to user/royalty fees for Internet radio stations. Unlike annoyingly intrusive competitor Last.fm, Pandora does not have a rich suitor (though it [...]

]]> By: Helge Städtler » Blog Archive » Internetradio steht in den USA vor dem “Aus” - Thetawelle http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1499916 Helge Städtler » Blog Archive » Internetradio steht in den USA vor dem “Aus” - Thetawelle Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1499916 [...] (SoundExchange) das finale Datum zur Erzwingung der neuen Abgaben aussetzen. Das, so berichtet Technorati würde in einem Artikel bei WIRED stehen mit dem Titel “Pandora Founder: SoundExchange Will [...] [...] (SoundExchange) das finale Datum zur Erzwingung der neuen Abgaben aussetzen. Das, so berichtet Technorati würde in einem Artikel bei WIRED stehen mit dem Titel “Pandora Founder: SoundExchange Will [...]

]]> By: Shaudius http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1498534 Shaudius Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:19:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1498534 I don't really understand how going offshore would help anything. Its worse as I understand it than Jorge says, its not about streaming U.S. produced music, its about streaming music TO the U.S. You can be based anywhere you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll be subject to the per listener fee of wherever you're streaming to. I don’t really understand how going offshore would help anything. Its worse as I understand it than Jorge says, its not about streaming U.S. produced music, its about streaming music TO the U.S.

You can be based anywhere you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’ll be subject to the per listener fee of wherever you’re streaming to.

]]> By: website copywriter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497671 website copywriter Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:49:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497671 What ever would become of Internet radio then... Options are good. Options are very good. What ever would become of Internet radio then…

Options are good. Options are very good.

]]> By: K http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497614 K Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:08:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497614 Interesting... SoundExchange must have realized that if all the webcasters go out of business, so do they. Maybe there is something to this free-market crap. (Nah, probably not.) Interesting… SoundExchange must have realized that if all the webcasters go out of business, so do they. Maybe there is something to this free-market crap. (Nah, probably not.)

]]> By: Dan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497529 Dan Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:58:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497529 One more reason not to vote for the RIAA stooge that is Barak Obama. One more reason not to vote for the RIAA stooge that is Barak Obama.

]]> By: Concrete Stain http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497522 Concrete Stain Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:54:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497522 yeah seems totally broke - - and something that will unfairly ; nudge Terrestrial radio up in numbers. a sad day,RB yeah seems totally broke -

- and something that will unfairly ; nudge Terrestrial radio up in numbers.

a sad day,RB

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497421 Dave Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:52:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497421 You see, we do not have a balance of powers in the USA. The people's wishes are subordinate to judicial, legislative, executive, and administrative law. For these branches, there are no inalienable rights to anything! You see, we do not have a balance of powers in the USA.
The people’s wishes are subordinate to judicial, legislative, executive, and administrative law.
For these branches, there are no inalienable rights to anything!

]]> By: Jorge http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497417 Jorge Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:50:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497417 Moving outside of the US will not help you evade royalty payments. If you want to stream US music, you will have to pay royalties to the American companies that distribute that music. HOWEVER, non-American locales are not bound to the CRB's payment structure or to the SoundEx arrangement. For example, Europe and Russia have their own licensing bodies. Places like the Carribean don't have licensing bodies. However, by the same token, they don't have laws preventing the RIAA from really messing with your site. So, you give up some laws that negatively effect you in return for giving up laws that would protect you. Moving outside of the US will not help you evade royalty payments.
If you want to stream US music, you will have to pay royalties to the American companies that distribute that music.

HOWEVER, non-American locales are not bound to the CRB’s payment structure or to the SoundEx arrangement. For example, Europe and Russia have their own licensing bodies.

Places like the Carribean don’t have licensing bodies. However, by the same token, they don’t have laws preventing the RIAA from really messing with your site. So, you give up some laws that negatively effect you in return for giving up laws that would protect you.

]]> By: David Crone http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497237 David Crone Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:33:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497237 Regarding "help CBS build a better return from the $280million it paid for Last.fm, a site hosted and run from the United Kingdom and therefore not subject to these royalty changes" and other comments on just off-shoring to Europe or Australia ...... Even if this is a loop hole now then I suspect the US government would move to have those non-US sites be blocked to requests from US based computers. So like online gambling sites they may have to implement some kind of blocking to stop US accesses to last.fm. Regarding “help CBS build a better return from the $280million it paid for Last.fm, a site hosted and run from the United Kingdom and therefore not subject to these royalty changes” and other comments on just off-shoring to Europe or Australia ……

Even if this is a loop hole now then I suspect the US government would move to have those non-US sites be blocked to requests from US based computers. So like online gambling sites they may have to implement some kind of blocking to stop US accesses to last.fm.

]]> By: Andy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497176 Andy Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:38:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497176 With all due respect, I don't need to Google it; I work for a radio station in the UK and I've seen the figures. Apocryphal, evidence-untroubled tales of the terminal decline of radio listening are one of the biggest obstacles we face in gaining advertising revenue. According to RAJAR, the industry-standard body for UK radio ratings, listening to radio in the UK is at 90% for the first quarter this year, compared to 89% back in 1999. It's been hovering around that mark for years and with the advent of digital broadcasting, things can only look up. With all due respect, I don’t need to Google it; I work for a radio station in the UK and I’ve seen the figures. Apocryphal, evidence-untroubled tales of the terminal decline of radio listening are one of the biggest obstacles we face in gaining advertising revenue. According to RAJAR, the industry-standard body for UK radio ratings, listening to radio in the UK is at 90% for the first quarter this year, compared to 89% back in 1999. It’s been hovering around that mark for years and with the advent of digital broadcasting, things can only look up.

]]> By: Duncan Riley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497134 Duncan Riley Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:53:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497134 Andy listener numbers on Terrestrial radio in English speaking markets in particular have been in decline for years, the experience with Clear Channel in the US has been repeated in Australia through Macquarie Radio and others: it's not a throw away line, it's actually the broad consensus view. Try <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?q=decline+of+radio&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Googling it.</a>. Andy
listener numbers on Terrestrial radio in English speaking markets in particular have been in decline for years, the experience with Clear Channel in the US has been repeated in Australia through Macquarie Radio and others: it’s not a throw away line, it’s actually the broad consensus view. Try Googling it..

]]> By: Andy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497108 Andy Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:28:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497108 Get your facts right before using throwaway phrases, TechCrunch. Terrestrial radio in the West isn't "in decline" at all -- in fact, at least in Europe, it's never been healthier. Listenership is up, there are more analogue and digital stations to choose from terrestrially than ever before, the advent of community radio has allowed would-be net broadcasters to get a slot on an FM station in their local area... sure, the very largest commercial radio players' profits are down, but things aren't declining just yet! Get your facts right before using throwaway phrases, TechCrunch. Terrestrial radio in the West isn’t “in decline” at all — in fact, at least in Europe, it’s never been healthier. Listenership is up, there are more analogue and digital stations to choose from terrestrially than ever before, the advent of community radio has allowed would-be net broadcasters to get a slot on an FM station in their local area… sure, the very largest commercial radio players’ profits are down, but things aren’t declining just yet!

]]> By: Matt http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497089 Matt Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:10:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1497089 Surely it isn't too bad if internet radio goes down? What about non-net radio in the US? Is that any good? Surely it isn’t too bad if internet radio goes down? What about non-net radio in the US? Is that any good?

]]> By: Duncan Riley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496910 Duncan Riley Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:09:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496910 Andy your point is lost on me, and Google as <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Qga&q=retrospective+fees&btnG=Search&meta=" rel="nofollow">well</a> . The fees are being imposed retrospectively. Andy
your point is lost on me, and Google as well . The fees are being imposed retrospectively.

]]> By: Andy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496588 Andy Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:35:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496588 The charging model is going to be retrospective, not retroactive? What, they are going to be nostalgic about the past since January 2006? The charging model is going to be retrospective, not retroactive? What, they are going to be nostalgic about the past since January 2006?

]]> By: Duncan Riley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496571 Duncan Riley Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:12:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496571 BM you're entirely right, and if the fees in Australia weren't so bad ($500 AUD/ qtr min per station) I'd start a streaming business myself. If anyone has successfully country shopped let us know, I'd love to find a reliable place to host a stream station. BM
you’re entirely right, and if the fees in Australia weren’t so bad ($500 AUD/ qtr min per station) I’d start a streaming business myself. If anyone has successfully country shopped let us know, I’d love to find a reliable place to host a stream station.

]]> By: William Ryall http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496553 William Ryall Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:55:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496553 Does the internet station only have to be hosted in a country other than the US? or must the base of operations also be outside the US? Either way, just pack up and move and stick it to the American government. Australia is nice this time of year and we would welcome some more tech innovation as well as your tax dollars. Does the internet station only have to be hosted in a country other than the US? or must the base of operations also be outside the US?

Either way, just pack up and move and stick it to the American government. Australia is nice this time of year and we would welcome some more tech innovation as well as your tax dollars.

]]> By: David Mackey http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496425 David Mackey Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:58:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496425 Why in the world would you charge internet radio stations differently from terrestial? Why in the world would you charge internet radio stations differently from terrestial?

]]> By: Rockland USA http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496408 Rockland USA Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:22:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496408 UPDATE! Internet radio has been saved. Stations will not be shutting down Sunday. Wired has posted an article updating on the latest developments this evening. http://rocklandusa.com/blog/2007/07/13/news-flash-internet-radio-has-been-saved/ UPDATE! Internet radio has been saved. Stations will not be shutting down Sunday. Wired has posted an article updating on the latest developments this evening. http://rocklandusa.com/blog/20.....een-saved/

]]> By: BM http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496406 BM Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:21:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496406 So what's the over/under date on TechCrunch breaking the news on the huge jump in offshore internet radio stations? So what’s the over/under date on TechCrunch breaking the news on the huge jump in offshore internet radio stations?

]]> By: Jay (living in First Life) http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496404 Jay (living in First Life) Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:20:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/12/d-day-sunday-for-internet-radio-as-court-rejects-royalties-appeal/#comment-1496404 So if Amazon is smart, they will set up EC2 and S3 in the UK and let you host your radio site from the UK or even Gibralatar. That would fix the issue without ruffling the feathers of our Congressmen who are busy with so many bigger issues such as how to get a $5 billion Alaskan highway between a town with 50,000 people and it's airport that serves 300 passengers per day. I mean, really now! So if Amazon is smart, they will set up EC2 and S3 in the UK and let you host your radio site from the UK or even Gibralatar. That would fix the issue without ruffling the feathers of our Congressmen who are busy with so many bigger issues such as how to get a $5 billion Alaskan highway between a town with 50,000 people and it’s airport that serves 300 passengers per day. I mean, really now!

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