Comments on: Steorn Now Being Openly Mocked http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:38:11 -0800 hourly 1 By: HH http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-2507928 HH Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:12:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-2507928 John Beechey, what you don't understand does not make it false. All the examples you mention can be explained. John Beechey, what you don’t understand does not make it false. All the examples you mention can be explained.

]]> By: Roch http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1533184 Roch Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:13:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1533184 John Beechey, I doubt that any of the examples you gave violate the law of conservation of energy. Conservation of energy is well understood in gravitational systems, for example. The sum of the potential and kinetic energy of an orbiting body remains contant. Maybe a physicist can deal with your other examples. It may be that gravity, light or electricity in itself is not fully understood, but this is not a reason to be skeptical of the law of conservation of energy. John Beechey, I doubt that any of the examples you gave violate the law of conservation of energy. Conservation of energy is well understood in gravitational systems, for example. The sum of the potential and kinetic energy of an orbiting body remains contant. Maybe a physicist can deal with your other examples. It may be that gravity, light or electricity in itself is not fully understood, but this is not a reason to be skeptical of the law of conservation of energy.

]]> By: John beechey http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1524887 John beechey Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:17:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1524887 Laws are laws, what tosh! Im afraid many of the laws of physics are incorrect, for example, the humble light, when you look at the process behind it ie current in / current out it is the same, but both light and heat are generated , a violation for the conservation of energy. . Gravity is another example. What power source is there that hold the moon in earths orbit, 24/7? Or light itself. What powers light? The speed of light is 186,000 miles per sec. If light is shone into a different medium ie water, it slows down, but when it exits it resumes it full light speed, how?. Finally, currently it is believed that when energy is removed from a system, work gets harder to do. BUT, how is it possible then for freezing water to crack open metal pipes, it takes a lot of energy as we know it to crack metal. My point is that currently , physics is unable to explain 100% accurately the so called laws that it preaches. Anyone who is interested should read a book called THE FINAL THEORY, it shed new light on many things, inc space , time and energy. Just because the establishment say that it is this way, it doesn`t mean that it is so. Ever heard of Stanley Meyer? Google him, theres energy for free out there, good luck Steorn. Laws are laws, what tosh! Im afraid many of the laws of physics are incorrect, for example, the humble light, when you look at the process behind it ie current in / current out it is the same, but both light and heat are generated , a violation for the conservation of energy. . Gravity is another example. What power source is there that hold the moon in earths orbit, 24/7? Or light itself. What powers light? The speed of light is 186,000 miles per sec. If light is shone into a different medium ie water, it slows down, but when it exits it resumes it full light speed, how?. Finally, currently it is believed that when energy is removed from a system, work gets harder to do. BUT, how is it possible then for freezing water to crack open metal pipes, it takes a lot of energy as we know it to crack metal.

My point is that currently , physics is unable to explain 100% accurately the so called laws that it preaches. Anyone who is interested should read a book called THE FINAL THEORY, it shed new light on many things, inc space , time and energy. Just because the establishment say that it is this way, it doesn`t mean that it is so. Ever heard of Stanley Meyer? Google him, theres energy for free out there, good luck Steorn.

]]> By: charlie wonder http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1514025 charlie wonder Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:57:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1514025 When you stick a magnet on the fridge you are not violating the laws of thermodynamics. It seems common sense that you set up magnets correctly with and minimize all friction and you can get what looks like perpetual motion. I have seen other electromagnetic motors that seem a lot more convincing. The one major question is if the motion sucks the life out of the magnets. Steorn says it doesn´t. I am pulling for them but am not very hopeful right now. When you stick a magnet on the fridge you are not violating the laws of thermodynamics. It seems common sense that you set up magnets correctly with and minimize all friction and you can get what looks like perpetual motion. I have seen other electromagnetic motors that seem a lot more convincing. The one major question is if the motion sucks the life out of the magnets. Steorn says it doesn´t. I am pulling for them but am not very hopeful right now.

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]]> By: Bessed - The Human-Powered Search Engine http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1495920 Bessed - The Human-Powered Search Engine Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:50:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1495920 <strong>Steorn...</strong> Eleven of the best sites about the company Steorn, famous (or infamous) for its yet unproven claim to be able to create free energy, a la a perpetual motion machine. Know of another site that should be listed here? Leave your suggestion at the bottom o... Steorn…

Eleven of the best sites about the company Steorn, famous (or infamous) for its yet unproven claim to be able to create free energy, a la a perpetual motion machine. Know of another site that should be listed here? Leave your suggestion at the bottom o…

]]> By: atanu http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1492445 atanu Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:40:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1492445 certain laws of science cannot be incorrect because they are just that, "laws". if it was that anyone so far was unable to prove it wrong but the possibility existed, then they'd have been postulates. the pursuit of science is to make things better. But after following this story over the different blogs, it seems a lot of people are saying "one needs to keep an open mind / remember earth was declared flat/ every great inventor is ridiculed at first" and so on ad nauseum. These people all seem to have a common idea that scientists, be they phycisists, chemists, or social scientists, are a bunch of arrogant close minded bunch that dreams up some 'laws', and imposes them on the rest of populace. Scientific conclusions have never been reached in that manner. Each and every minor discovery and claim is discussed and analysed to deatjh for decades, usually by peers all very eager to prove the guy wrong. Science is an ongoing process of gradually adding tiny little bits of data on top of each other. Open mindedness is a built-in requisite for the process, not an optional one. If these steorn guys think they can beat this compilation of thousands of years of human wisdom by showing two aluminum tubes and a magnet and have people come to their defense saying we should give them a chance, then thats the real disservice to the pursuit of knowledge as a noble aim. certain laws of science cannot be incorrect because they are just that, “laws”. if it was that anyone so far was unable to prove it wrong but the possibility existed, then they’d have been postulates.
the pursuit of science is to make things better. But after following this story over the different blogs, it seems a lot of people are saying “one needs to keep an open mind / remember earth was declared flat/ every great inventor is ridiculed at first” and so on ad nauseum. These people all seem to have a common idea that scientists, be they phycisists, chemists, or social scientists, are a bunch of arrogant close minded bunch that dreams up some ‘laws’, and imposes them on the rest of populace. Scientific conclusions have never been reached in that manner. Each and every minor discovery and claim is discussed and analysed to deatjh for decades, usually by peers all very eager to prove the guy wrong.

Science is an ongoing process of gradually adding tiny little bits of data on top of each other. Open mindedness is a built-in requisite for the process, not an optional one. If these steorn guys think they can beat this compilation of thousands of years of human wisdom by showing two aluminum tubes and a magnet and have people come to their defense saying we should give them a chance, then thats the real disservice to the pursuit of knowledge as a noble aim.

]]> By: Ian http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1490917 Ian Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:52:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1490917 Not being a physicist, but why can't certain laws be incorrect? It seems.. counter productive.. that anytime people claim to have found something that could change everything for the better they are criticised. Granted, though, in this case.. well.. it does all seem to be rather err... shady. A good Guardian article, from Steorn's website: http://www.steorn.com/media/downloads/guardian.jpg Not being a physicist, but why can’t certain laws be incorrect? It seems.. counter productive.. that anytime people claim to have found something that could change everything for the better they are criticised. Granted, though, in this case.. well.. it does all seem to be rather err… shady.

A good Guardian article, from Steorn’s website: http://www.steo...ds/guardian.jpg

]]> By: Conor O'Neill http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1490890 Conor O'Neill Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:00:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1490890 to be fair to Mike, he does mention our company LouderVoice which is a new site that allows people to find, publish and share reviews on blogs and micro-blogs. The Steorn thing was just a bit of fun in advance of allowing people to have their video reviews indexed by our site. Right now we index/publish microformatted reviews from/to all the major blogging platforms. We also have experimental support for mini-reviews from Twitter/Jaiku and we just indexed our first TwitterGram. Our aim is to replace all the silos and slurpers out there with the hub model which routes quality review information from those who write it to those who need it. to be fair to Mike, he does mention our company LouderVoice which is a new site that allows people to find, publish and share reviews on blogs and micro-blogs.

The Steorn thing was just a bit of fun in advance of allowing people to have their video reviews indexed by our site.

Right now we index/publish microformatted reviews from/to all the major blogging platforms. We also have experimental support for mini-reviews from Twitter/Jaiku and we just indexed our first TwitterGram.

Our aim is to replace all the silos and slurpers out there with the hub model which routes quality review information from those who write it to those who need it.

]]> By: Adi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1490251 Adi Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:19:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1490251 I honestly don't know why you posted this on Techcrunch. I honestly don’t know why you posted this on Techcrunch.

]]> By: John Pospisil http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1489690 John Pospisil Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:08:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1489690 I've been absolutely astounded by how much the media and the public have indulged these guys... here's my take on it: http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/07/07/seven-reasons-why-steorns-perpetual-machine-will-never-work/ I’ve been absolutely astounded by how much the media and the public have indulged these guys… here’s my take on it: http://tech.blo...ill-never-work/

]]> By: alan p http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1489649 alan p Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:39:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1489649 They clearly had not read about the Law of Thermodynamics 2.0 They clearly had not read about the Law of Thermodynamics 2.0

]]> By: David O'Mahony http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1489202 David O'Mahony Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:31:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1489202 Steorn... embarrassing the nation wherever they go. I can only wonder why the company persisted with the 'launch' when it was never going to work. Steorn has made a point of the scientific community carrying out a "process of validation" of the Orbo thingamajig -- anybody else think that this report (supposedly due by the end of the year) will somehow remain unreleased? http://www.steorn.com/orbo/claim/ Steorn… embarrassing the nation wherever they go. I can only wonder why the company persisted with the ‘launch’ when it was never going to work.

Steorn has made a point of the scientific community carrying out a “process of validation” of the Orbo thingamajig — anybody else think that this report (supposedly due by the end of the year) will somehow remain unreleased?

http://www.steo...com/orbo/claim/

]]> By: Peter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1489140 Peter Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:20:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1489140 does this hoax have anything at all to do with the mission of TC? just curious... does this hoax have anything at all to do with the mission of TC? just curious…

]]> By: Jeremy Chone http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488554 Jeremy Chone Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:57:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488554 Not sure who is mocking who. Not sure who is mocking who.

]]> By: Joe Duck http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488499 Joe Duck Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:21:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488499 Good report Mr. Mike. When I first read their claims I was intrigued but of course it's a hoax a you can tell by the way they have hyped the silly "launch" of the gizmo. A free energy device would be the greatest invention in the history of humankind. You hardly need any marketing hype for that. This is now a test of sheer human gullibility. Good report Mr. Mike. When I first read their claims I was intrigued but of course it’s a hoax a you can tell by the way they have hyped the silly “launch” of the gizmo. A free energy device would be the greatest invention in the history of humankind. You hardly need any marketing hype for that. This is now a test of sheer human gullibility.

]]> By: james http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488498 james Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:20:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488498 could this be next powerset.com hype? could this be next powerset.com hype?

]]> By: Bryan Jones http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488491 Bryan Jones Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:11:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488491 Steorn allegedly tried to patent the Orbo last year, without much success... http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1861128,00.html Steorn allegedly tried to patent the Orbo last year, without much success…

http://technolo...1861128,00.html

]]> By: foobar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488484 foobar Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:03:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488484 Yeah, openly mocking BLOWHARD LAWYERS is wayyyyy too easy. Yeah, openly mocking BLOWHARD LAWYERS is wayyyyy too easy.

]]> By: somaking http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488480 somaking Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:00:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488480 Hey Mike, At least somebody *else* is getting openly mocked !! LOL. Not that it matters. LOL Hey Mike,

At least somebody *else* is getting openly mocked !!

LOL. Not that it matters. LOL

]]> By: Jorge http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488402 Jorge Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:05:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488402 I know this can be a prank, but remember that trough all history, people mocked of innovations. Google earth would be rendering a box right now... :) Cheers I know this can be a prank, but remember that trough all history, people mocked of innovations. Google earth would be rendering a box right now… :) Cheers

]]> By: Paddy O'Donnell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488321 Paddy O'Donnell Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:56:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488321 What do you expect from the land of the gift of blarney? world-class bs-ers 'em irish all are. What do you expect from the land of the gift of blarney?
world-class bs-ers ‘em irish all are.

]]> By: Tech Tools http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488216 Tech Tools Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:22:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488216 C'mon, that was hilarious. C’mon, that was hilarious.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488201 Michael Arrington Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:07:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488201 Don - you should have stuck with it. About the 50 sec. mark i started laughing. Don – you should have stuck with it. About the 50 sec. mark i started laughing.

]]> By: James http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/comment-page-1/#comment-1488199 James Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:06:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/finally-the-steorn-demo-humor/#comment-1488199 Looks like the "powers that be" got to them by threatening their life. Too bad they didn't have the guts to go through with it. It's better to be brave and dead then live as a coward. Looks like the “powers that be” got to them by threatening their life. Too bad they didn’t have the guts to go through with it. It’s better to be brave and dead then live as a coward.

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