Comments on: Steorn: Too Hot Today For Free Energy, Please Come Back Later http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:02:07 -0800 hourly 1 By: A Noah Arc» Blog Archive » Magic Carpets and Pyramids http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-2/#comment-2920901 A Noah Arc» Blog Archive » Magic Carpets and Pyramids Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:10:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-2920901 [...] these ideas tends to prevent them from reaching the light of day, but nevertheless they appear from time to [...] [...] these ideas tends to prevent them from reaching the light of day, but nevertheless they appear from time to [...]

]]> By: Greenman http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1492835 Greenman Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:43:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1492835 To all the people that think what I said was dumb I guess you guys know everything. I am not backing up the company presented here just thought the concept was really cool. Funny how I seemed to get a big response back and even quoted word for word too. The key to writing is getting a reaction out of the reader for good or bad. I guess I am doing a good job. Never be a closed minded person it can make your life really depressing and dull. Peace To all the people that think what I said was dumb I guess you guys know everything. I am not backing up the company presented here just thought the concept was really cool. Funny how I seemed to get a big response back and even quoted word for word too. The key to writing is getting a reaction out of the reader for good or bad. I guess I am doing a good job. Never be a closed minded person it can make your life really depressing and dull. Peace

]]> By: Renee http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1491096 Renee Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:37:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1491096 For the EnergyCrunch concept: there's tons of blogs about alternative energy, companies and otherwise. One of the best IMO is Worldchanging.org. For the EnergyCrunch concept: there’s tons of blogs about alternative energy, companies and otherwise. One of the best IMO is Worldchanging.org.

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1489594 Papito Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:50:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1489594 This is the way I see the scam work....You make your scheme so convincing to most everyone that sooner or later Big Oil CEOs (who are not scientists) will approach you at the last minute (July 7th) and payoff Steorn to "make" the system apparently fail. Of course, the CEOs too may think the probability is millions to 1 that it would not work but that 1 chance in the millions is enough to them to slip a large sum of cash their way as insurance that it won't see the light of day. This is the way I see the scam work….You make your scheme so convincing to most everyone that sooner or later Big Oil CEOs (who are not scientists) will approach you at the last minute (July 7th) and payoff Steorn to “make” the system apparently fail. Of course, the CEOs too may think the probability is millions to 1 that it would not work but that 1 chance in the millions is enough to them to slip a large sum of cash their way as insurance that it won’t see the light of day.

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1489583 Papito Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:38:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1489583 Neils Bohr was correct with the "Copenhagen Interpretation" thing. Basically, the wheel did and does turn potentially...until you observe it! Neils Bohr was correct with the “Copenhagen Interpretation” thing.
Basically, the wheel did and does turn potentially…until you observe it!

]]> By: Goldfish http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1489376 Goldfish Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:27:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1489376 Looks to me like a scam (Doh!) When will people learn that is something is too god to be true then it probably isn't true? call me a cynic http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/03/26/story12884.asp Looks to me like a scam (Doh!) When will people learn that is something is too god to be true then it probably isn’t true? call me a cynic

http://archives.../story12884.asp

]]> By: ryan scott http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488937 ryan scott Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:48:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488937 re: Greenman "Imagine how different the world would be if energy was free. How would you control people?" Must suck to have no clue how the world works. re: Greenman

“Imagine how different the world would be if energy was free. How would you control people?”

Must suck to have no clue how the world works.

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]]> By: ET http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488144 ET Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:23:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488144 That's tenet, not tenant, guys. That’s tenet, not tenant, guys.

]]> By: Misery http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488129 Misery Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:13:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488129 > Energy is unlimited and free. Presumably you are a tree as your name suggests. It's not about it being unlimited, it's about it being converted to something you can easily use. It's also not free unless you're talking solar and air, but you still have to convert it (unless you have a windmill or dry fruit for a living). > Imagine how different the world would be if energy was free. How would you control people? You would write a religious book. Ironic that the last big release came from the same place as your not-free energy. > Anything is possible if you really want to make it happen. Are you Yoda or a CEO coach? > Energy is unlimited and free.

Presumably you are a tree as your name suggests. It’s not about it being unlimited, it’s about it being converted to something you can easily use. It’s also not free unless you’re talking solar and air, but you still have to convert it (unless you have a windmill or dry fruit for a living).

> Imagine how different the world would be if energy was free. How would you control people?

You would write a religious book. Ironic that the last big release came from the same place as your not-free energy.

> Anything is possible if you really want to make it happen.

Are you Yoda or a CEO coach?

]]> By: Conor O'Neill http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488084 Conor O'Neill Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:34:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488084 Breaking news Mike, we managed to get a first exclusive video review of the Steorn in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_ESdiF2wM Breaking news Mike, we managed to get a first exclusive video review of the Steorn in action. http://www.yout...h?v=5Q_ESdiF2wM

]]> By: Louis-Eric http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488044 Louis-Eric Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488044 Unfortunately for the EnergyCrunch idea, the domain is already owned by... General Mills, makers of famous crunchy cereal-based brain-food. Unfortunately for the EnergyCrunch idea, the domain is already owned by… General Mills, makers of famous crunchy cereal-based brain-food.

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1488013 Papito Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:29:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1488013 For all those dreamers and well wishers, remember Regan......."Trust-but verify!" For all those dreamers and well wishers, remember Regan…….”Trust-but verify!”

]]> By: wayne lambright http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487852 wayne lambright Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:06:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487852 In a way, I like this companys idea, even though it now looks like a trick. It’s like the lottery, for a buck you get to have big dreams, and I had big dreams in how the world would change with steorn. In a way, I like this companys idea, even though it now looks like a trick. It’s like the lottery, for a buck you get to have big dreams, and I had big dreams in how the world would change with steorn.

]]> By: Umang http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487575 Umang Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:47:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487575 Apparently one is not allowed to file patents for technologies which are in violation of fundamental laws like the law of conservation of energy. :-) Or so I remember reading somewhere. I'm hunting around to confirm this. If I do, I'll post it. Apparently one is not allowed to file patents for technologies which are in violation of fundamental laws like the law of conservation of energy. :-)
Or so I remember reading somewhere.

I’m hunting around to confirm this. If I do, I’ll post it.

]]> By: atanu http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487359 atanu Sat, 07 Jul 2007 08:15:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487359 i just looked at the steorn website, and its full of simply meaningless buzzwords, mentioning a track record of developing technologies without any specifics whatsoever. Reads like the SCO press briefings when they started suing all and sundry. This line should tell all about them, "Due to the contentious nature of our technology claim the company made a decision that during the process of validation we would seek no further funding", meaning we'd love some schmucks to pour money into us privately, but whatever we managed has now backfired too because they found out. There's nothing to validate, because there's no code. I am amazed people are still taken by such blatant frauds. i just looked at the steorn website, and its full of simply meaningless buzzwords, mentioning a track record of developing technologies without any specifics whatsoever. Reads like the SCO press briefings when they started suing all and sundry.
This line should tell all about them, “Due to the contentious nature of our technology claim the company made a decision that during the process of validation we would seek no further funding”, meaning we’d love some schmucks to pour money into us privately, but whatever we managed has now backfired too because they found out. There’s nothing to validate, because there’s no code.
I am amazed people are still taken by such blatant frauds.

]]> By: Shambhu http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487166 Shambhu Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:15:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487166 Ron at @24 that's a great idea. I've never googled for an "EnergyCrunch" type site. I'm sure Mike could find lots of applicants for that job. If not, I'd do it :) It wouldn't change the world since that's a matter of politics, but it would be fun reading and nice to see all the ex-physics PhD carpenters coming out of the woodwork. Ron at @24 that’s a great idea. I’ve never googled for an “EnergyCrunch” type site. I’m sure Mike could find lots of applicants for that job. If not, I’d do it :)

It wouldn’t change the world since that’s a matter of politics, but it would be fun reading and nice to see all the ex-physics PhD carpenters coming out of the woodwork.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487159 Michael Arrington Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:10:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487159 huge bonus points for Fletch quote. huge bonus points for Fletch quote.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487157 Michael Arrington Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:10:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487157 hah hah

]]> By: Doug http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487067 Doug Sat, 07 Jul 2007 04:00:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487067 Apparently the bearings in the demo broke under stress, perhaps from the heat of the lights. This actually makes perfect sense, since "it's all ball bearings nowadays." Apparently the bearings in the demo broke under stress, perhaps from the heat of the lights.

This actually makes perfect sense, since “it’s all ball bearings nowadays.”

]]> By: Tom http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1487065 Tom Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:59:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1487065 Anybody knows where the light switch is? Anybody knows where the light switch is?

]]> By: Maz http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1486892 Maz Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:24:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1486892 I've been following this story for months. I was hopeful that they weren't pulling a stunt for publicity. It really sucks too because I've been trying to explain to people what Seorn was trying to do, and getting nothing but crap from my friends. Now that the demonstration failed to produce any proof of concept I'm disappointed and look like a total schmuck for even beginning to believe this technology was possible. I still believe that someday we will find a way to harness the powers of the universe for free and clean energy, but it looks like we'll have to wait even longer. As for the heat from the lights screwing up the experiment... I suppose it could happen. But why not be PREPARED for things like that, or run the experiment in the dark with LED lights???? Sounds like Seorn wasn't exactly prepared for this demonstration. They stated they would be lifting weights with the energy machine, but they brought or built one that would only spin. Just do us a favor and don't make promises of things in public and then under-deliver on those promises. Goodluck to Seorn in the future if they turn out to not be "full of it". I’ve been following this story for months. I was hopeful that they weren’t pulling a stunt for publicity. It really sucks too because I’ve been trying to explain to people what Seorn was trying to do, and getting nothing but crap from my friends. Now that the demonstration failed to produce any proof of concept I’m disappointed and look like a total schmuck for even beginning to believe this technology was possible. I still believe that someday we will find a way to harness the powers of the universe for free and clean energy, but it looks like we’ll have to wait even longer.

As for the heat from the lights screwing up the experiment… I suppose it could happen. But why not be PREPARED for things like that, or run the experiment in the dark with LED lights???? Sounds like Seorn wasn’t exactly prepared for this demonstration. They stated they would be lifting weights with the energy machine, but they brought or built one that would only spin. Just do us a favor and don’t make promises of things in public and then under-deliver on those promises.

Goodluck to Seorn in the future if they turn out to not be “full of it”.

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1486841 Papito Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:47:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1486841 Same deal for universities and their experiments. Do the experiments but verify by the scientific method....remember the "Cold Fusion" thing in the 80s? Same deal for universities and their experiments. Do the experiments but verify by the scientific method….remember the “Cold Fusion” thing in the 80s?

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1486787 Papito Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:08:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1486787 Finiki, If we all would stick to the scientific tenant above, we wouldn't be blaming the lights. Finiki, If we all would stick to the scientific tenant above, we wouldn’t be blaming the lights.

]]> By: Papito http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/comment-page-1/#comment-1486781 Papito Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:04:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/06/steorn-now-has-zero-credibility-too-hot-today-for-free-energy-come-back-later/#comment-1486781 My guess is that if the demo system didn't work that it would be obvious to have a second system flown in within hours. Problem is, no mention of doing so occurred indicating there is no second system. Certainly, a major tenant of science is that an effect should be independently verifiable and repeatable to be scientifically viable. No second system to fly in, no science. Its back to stoking coal just as before. My guess is that if the demo system didn’t work that it would be obvious to have a second system flown in within hours. Problem is, no mention of doing so occurred indicating there is no second system.
Certainly, a major tenant of science is that an effect should be independently verifiable and repeatable to be scientifically viable. No second system to fly in, no science. Its back to stoking coal just as before.

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