In the end, these scams always come down to money. Amazingly, Steorn managed to raise millions of dollars from investors, proving the old adage about a sucker and his money.

No working scientist has the time or interest to run around disproving the endless numbers of crackpots out there. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the rest of us. Steorn haven’t met even the most basic level of confirmation beyond press releases and a slick website.

LOL

I love it. A physically impossible machine that is claimed to work only when it isn’t actually being observed. I’m going to have to assume that it was built from a box, a cyanide capsule, a decaying radioactive source… and a cat.

I hate to tell ya, but if it “runs on electromagnets” it’s not “perpetual motion”. You’re feeding power into the thing! C’mon people, use your heads. This very same trick has been tried before. You use a fast switching electromagetic source to “pump” the system. Geez, it’s called a motor!

I know you don’t all have degrees in physics. But please at least apply a little bit of common sense.

Just an FYI…the exhibit was closed today…due to malfunction of the unit. So the doors to the exhibit were closed. I’ll have to say, the place was in the middle of a very nice highly trafficed area…and the space itself, i would imagine, is pretty expensive to lease.

I couldn’t see the machine…just looked like a big empty gallery space with lots of lights and some iMac monitors. There were windows all around, like a typical retail space, and banners prominently displayed at every window…with famous quotes and sayings from well known scientists and inventors, all to the effect of challenging traditional thought to make groudbreaking discoveries.

my 2 cents after seeing the demo site in London…looking at the propaganda banners…and watching the youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAk3tiaOewo …I think this is a publicity stunt to AWAKEN the scientific community. Consider this a big social experiment…to build up all this hype…build up credence…build up a ‘case’…and see if the scientific community will even bat an eye and try to prove, or disprove, these assertions (which is what they should do). If the scientific community does nothing…it would show that they are so entrenched in their ‘beliefs’, they are not doing justice to their profession.

So what’s their motive for doing all this? Well…perhaps their gripe is that humanity is not pushing the boundaries of science as much as they should…or not trying desperate enough to challenge the traditional ways of thinking to truly innovate and solve some of the world’s problems. This makes me think of the Tesla motor company…I think it’s great when people take the extra step to challenge the traditional ways things are done…think about how much we as a society loves to just cling on to the existing ways of doing things.

Whatever is going on here, it’s pretty interesting. Someone is spending a lot of money on either a real technology (which would be great)…or…spending a lot of money as a marketing ploy to push the boundaries of science (which is also great).

“It is very clear that we humans understand little about the forces out there, and that goes for all of us……”

I don’t disagree with this. What’s puzzling is how a group of people with no credentials are shamming the world simply because they are “incorporated” and have a website. Free energy is great, but it will be discovered by scholars at MIT, not LLC conmen doing youtube videos.

Steorn is taking a significant amount of people on a ride (mark my words), and that is just wrong.

I can’t argue what you say about the ceo, and how going from working on credit card fraud to perpetual motion is a stretch.

However, technically electricity comes from magnetic force, not the other way around. Basics stuff there, any mechanical engineer can tell you that.
You had a point with your first statements, and ruined it with your “btw”.

It is very clear that we humans understand little about the forces out there, and that goes for all of us……

This is a telling video about the “CEO” talking about how he discovered free energy by working on credit card fraud after the dot com crash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAk3tiaOewo

Yeah right.

(btw those “magnetic fields” their using? erm, magnetic fields are produced by electric currents. Electric currents aren’t free. )

http://www.besslerwheel.com/pm.html

then why cant the steorn guys be correct. Feels way out of conventional wisodm, but hey, have we all lost even the slightest time to consider someone’s appeal before writing it off…

Unfortunately, even if they had invented some energy source it would never make it to the US — perputual motion machines can not be patented and without patent protection no company would try to commercialize it

- I have a friend who leans toward engineering more than scientific study; He made this motor - that used a strong magnetic field, and used electromagnets to change the polarity of these every couple mili-seconds ..

- he couldn’t get it to work all the time, but when he did it produced 140% energy -(enough to run it self + 40%) .. it was perpetual except for mechanical failure.

- he is also working on a hydraulic feed gravity motor - that will produce on paper 300% power.

-RB - this is real; although it would change economies, so it might get shut down

From the Steorn website now:

Important update on the Kinetica demo:
We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.

The most amazing invention since heat-in-a-can, and the demo was canceled due to, um, light bulb heat?

Everything points to a complete pile of BS….

1) Names of the ’scientists’ is not featured anywhere…
2) Demo is going to be in an Art Gallery???
3) They are having technical difficulties caused by the heat from lights around the machine… GIVE ME A BREAK.

This is nonsense…

Mike I thought your job was to filter out the bs for us, and only give us actual news?