http://www.cinemablend.com/new.....-5639.html

Regarding Canadian heath-care - just compare the number of people who cross the border south vs north.

I’ve never used the American health care system, but it’s the worst in the world cause I’ve heard bad things about it from some people!

See what I did there? I pulled an “Arrington”. Which is to say i spoke out on something I only heard about through hearsay. Now I can be a rich tech blogger!

Well Michael, I HAVE used the Canadian health-care system, I had a Heart Attack @ 24, and everything from my ER ride to my treatment after cost me exactly $0.00. The treatment was excellent, professional and left me with actual pride in the Health Care system up here… And I am a lowly coder who doesn’t work in some fancy VC’s up start-up darling.

Any time I get the feeling that America is set to emerge from it’s creepy McCarthy-esque “Anti-Commie / Terrorist’ dementia, its good to know that ignorant hillbillies can spew crap about “Communist Canada” and still be backed up by Cleetus and Joe-Bob from Bumblefuck Alabama on the intertubes.

You should already know that I am talking most specifically about that line
“And if they did take a stand, it would be with Moore.”

I suggest you reread your post and think about how it comes across. I understand your point that we do not need Google to tighen it’s reigns on blogging, but I really don’t care about Ms. Turner’s remarks, not that I would read that blog anyway.

To tell you the truth, it’s such a no-brainer to criticize Moore, that it’s hardly worth the time, let alone the read. The problem with people that buy that garbage is they don’t realize that it’s a fallacy when you just appeal to the crowd.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

Right away after a post of a Googler turned negative in the Blogosphere, Matt Cutts, Google’s well known blogger, gives tips for Blogging on your companies behalf. The tips are pretty good.Most of this has already been covered elsewhere, but…

I challenge any objective person to go through this thread, read falsely flat statements like the above by the people who see commies under their bed, and conclude anything else other than the fact that the US is fucking nuts for not having the SAME HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAT EVERY OTHER RICH INDUSTRIAL NATION HAS.

I mean, people talk about nationalized healthcare like its come unproven concept. Shit, just get in a plane, fly out to, *ahem* ANY OTHR RICH INDUSTRIALIZED NATION and find out how it works.

This is not rocket science, folks.

“If nationalized health care actually worked I’d be all for it. But I’ve lived in the UK and in Canada. In the UK I went to private doctors because I didn’t trust the health care system, and it was only for things like the flu, etc. If I had gotten really sick I’d have gone into the “system.” In Canada I didn’t need to see a doctor, but I heard some serious first hand horror stories. One guy, the husband of an employee, lost a kidney because he had to wait six months for an operation.

The problem with any “free” good is the tragedy of the commons, or you have rationing. Neither works well. Money is the only effective way of rationing things. People who disagree with that live in a fantasy world.

Should we let people die in the streets? Absolutely not. But the current system in the U.S. is ok if you have health care. HMOs suck, and hospitals often treat us like problems not people. But the real problem is that people without health care are charged far more for services because they don’t have the negotiating power of the HMOs. That needs to change. Health care, and particularly basic health care, would be far cheaper if the HMOs didn’t have that kind of power.

Of course, I’m not even close to an expert on this, so I could be wrong. But what we need in this country is more capitalism, not less.”

I don’t mind trying to find a better way! I just hope that the better way doesn’t turn into handing our health care system over to 500 people in WA DC, who all have questionable motives, Left or Right!

I’m sorry I did not read more of what you had to say on this issue!

But, on this, I would say, completely horrible job Mr Arrington! Why do you guys insist on handing everything over to the Government, that is a ridiculously stupid thing to do. When you go over to have surgery in Cuba is the day that I will believe that you all truly feel our health care system is bad.

Mr Arrington, I am paying 12% of my income for an SSI system that is headed to bankruptcy, that is for a horrible retirement benefit that no one can even come close to living on and the vast majority of the people in this country will never receive no where near the amount they payed into this system.

What in the world makes you think the Government will provide quality health care for all, when they can not even provide a decent quality, financially stable retirement benefit with 12% of every workers income?

SSI is a rip off, but we have seen nothing yet, wait until the left hands over health care to the Government!

There are MANY accusations of inaccuracy about Moore’s work flying around. There are also many assertions about “communist’ or ’socialist’ healthcare systems. What there isn’t is ANY backup in terms of citations or facts.

Even worse, none of the opponents of single payer have EVER done any deep studies or they’d be aware of the inherent contradictions in their positions.

I lived in England for the first 27 years of my life and then in the Bay Area for the next 18. I can tell you categorically that the best healthcare I ever received was in the first ten years, in pre-Thatcher England when it really was a National Health Care System. Better in literally every single way. Even when I moved to the Bay Area health care was better in England than I have ever experienced in the US (and I have a huge advantage here since my partner is a high-level physician and can get me preferential treatment). And it is getting worse and worse in the US. If you did a nationwide survey of healthcare professionals - at all levels - I think you’d find a dramatically higher level of support for single payer than in the US population as a whole. I wish someone would do that (and do it properly - NOT skewed).

That should tell you something.

For example - it is amazing that all the anti-universal coverage people have no trouble paying for and supporting our ‘communist’ and ’socialist’ fire and police services that are centrally paid for out of taxes. Why are they different? The fire department doesn’t check to see if I’m covered before they turn the hose on.

And Mr. Arrington - while you are right to get at Google for putting its foot in its mouth, the retraction is actually worse than the original. The point is not a negative review of the movie - it is what they said about advertising and how the right way to deal with any problem is to advertise your way out of it - with Google. There was no retraction of that sentiment - in fact it was reinforced. I have a great appreciation for your site here and understand that it is inherently entrepreneurial, capitalist and even a bit libertarian. But is it really so hard for people to understand that the world is a continuum and there are some things that are better organized centrally and others as if under a free market?

Let’s take a look at one of your responses:

“If nationalized health care actually worked I’d be all for it. But I’ve lived in the UK and in Canada. In the UK I went to private doctors because I didn’t trust the health care system, and it was only for things like the flu, etc. If I had gotten really sick I’d have gone into the “system.” In Canada I didn’t need to see a doctor, but I heard some serious first hand horror stories. One guy, the husband of an employee, lost a kidney because he had to wait six months for an operation.

[OK - so you never gave the British NHS a chance and you are relying on hearsay from Canada. There are just as many horror stories about the for-profit US system. Do you want to hear about the woman I know who had her foot amputated because her HMO didn't think it worthwhile to pay for the full suite of tests? The long term data supports that the Canadian system does a better overall job than the US. Base measures like life expectancy and infant mortality are worse in the US than every single place being castigated as horrible here. Etc, etc.]

The problem with any “free” good is the tragedy of the commons, or you have rationing. Neither works well. Money is the only effective way of rationing things. People who disagree with that live in a fantasy world.

[Again - see police, fire, military. Also see wartime England in the second world war, etc. Money is the only effective way of rationing DISCRETIONARY things - it is a useless method for matters of life and death - unless you really truly believe that pooe people just deserve to die more easily]

Should we let people die in the streets? Absolutely not. But the current system in the U.S. is ok if you have health care. HMOs suck, and hospitals often treat us like problems not people. But the real problem is that people without health care are charged far more for services because they don’t have the negotiating power of the HMOs. That needs to change. Health care, and particularly basic health care, would be far cheaper if the HMOs didn’t have that kind of power.

[completely agree - but this has nothing to do with the underlying structure - this has to do with greed pure and simple]

Of course, I’m not even close to an expert on this, so I could be wrong. But what we need in this country is more capitalism, not less.

[I'm not an expert either - probably more of one than most commenting here though - but I know a lot of people who are and they all would say that you are wrong on this point. One of the biggest problems is the amount of secrecy involved - everything from what it REALLY costs drug companies to produce new drugs to the underlying costs and rates involved in your healthcare. Take the drug example - if it REALLY costs so much to produce and test all those drugs (and all the ones that don't make it) and they really NEED to charge that much to recover costs, how come drug companies have ever increasing profits and rates of return? Nothing wrong with a little profit - but what about a LOT of profit? The disinformation in the healthcare field all around is staggering]

the only people with good healthcare are rich and high level corporate types and a few exceptions otherwise….
The american health system is so broken….and it will kill our future.

bon bon

Her facts are right, and she is just telling the TRUTH.

Moore is a nut. Anybody that thinks he is not is a nut.

Wake up America.

C’mon, everybody knows Moore presents everything in a bombastic manner. Moore’s sole purpose as a leftist propagandist is to do anything, including lie, to get the far left into a drooling tizzy. Don’t take anything Moore produces without an abundance of NaCl.

If the answer is “govt healtcare can be better than it is today”, feel free to improve govt healtcare first.

Google MUST remove algorithms of PENALTY for external SEO techniques immediately! Or there will be a lot of google de-SEO firms very soon, which will heavily undermine corporative google image in the following way:

“We are offering services for downranking your competitors in google
- Sandboxing $299
- 30 Filtering $99
Any website or separate web pages with PR lower than 6. Guarantee.”

Shame on google programmers!

If google do not remove penalties for external factors, then it will have BIG TROUBLES very soon. Many webmasters will say good bye to PARANOID Google, and will say hello to CLEAN Yahoo!

2-3 years ago there was a possibility just to write a good high-quality and relevant articles, create web pages, follow guidelines and that was enough to appear in top google search results. It was a significant advantage of google - to rank sites not only for internal SEO tricks & backlinks, but also for _relevant_ content. 2-3 years ago the factor of relevancy of content was important as well as the factor of amount of relevant back links.
Nowadays, algorithm of google is completely different than 2-3 years ago, and the factor of back links is significantly more important than relevancy of content! A lot of high-quality sites were downranked, undervalued or just partially disappeared from top index for no obvious reason. I read a lot of google patents, and I must admit that there are serious logical mistakes and contradictions in fundamental assumptions of many algorithms. I call them NOISE ALGORITHMS, because while performing “smart” filtering and evaluations of site rankings these algorithms introduce a lot of unnecessary informational noise and disorder, instead of just finding relevant content.

It sad to say, but nowadays google reminds me the old AltaVista.

At that point, they frequently have little desire to “invest” more money and effort into you. Why? Because healthcare is effectively rationed and if you’re gonna kick the bucket then they’ll just move onto to someone that has better odds.