June 30, 2007

Everyone’s Gunning For YouTube

Michael Arrington

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The focus and experimentation on IPTV is switching away from watching short clips on YouTube to watching full length shows on downloadable TV applications like Joost, Babelgum, Veoh TV , Netflix (which now has a Silverlight application) and others. YouTube continues to grow, but people are not looking to find full length TV shows there.

That isn’t stopping the competitors from trying to get a piece of the action, though.

YouTube has a slew of direct competitors, but the network effect kicked in long ago for YouTube and its unlikely that loose copyright policies or higher quality videos are going to make any kind of dent in their market share. But the networks are still goggling that $1.65 billion price tag for YouTube, and they want their pound of flesh.

Competitors Running In Circles

Hitwise published some statistics earlier this week showing that YouTube has 60% market share of the U.S. video sharing sites - they have more visitors than all of their competitors combined. They continue to grow at a fast clip even after the networks started massive litigation against them.

Comscore worldwide data is nearly identical, showing YouTube with a 66% market share. See the chart to the left for the side-by-side numbers.

It’s clear that the market is probably big enough for a few competitors to be successful, but no one is knocking YouTube off the thrown any time soon.

Clown Co. Still Clowning Around

In March we saw the dramatic introduction of a new service, backed by News Corp. (owner of MySpace) and NBC. They dubbed it “NBC Universal and News Corporation’s Online Video Joint Venture,” which isn’t exactly catchy. When rumors started that Google execs were referring to it as “Clown Co.” the name stuck. Until they name this thing, there’s really nothing else to refer to it as.

Lack of a name hasn’t stopped them from making some bold steps, though. This week they named Jason Kilar, a Harvard MBA and former Amazon executive, to lead the unit. And now there are reports saying they’ve been out trying to raise $100 million in venture capital on a billion dollar valuation. YouTube raised just a fraction of that.

To be fair, Clown Co. isn’t supposed to be a direct competitor to YouTube, and has promised a more distributed approach. And they’ll have (legally obtained) content from both NBC and News Corp. properties, a big advantage over competitors. We’ll have to wait and see once it launches. But the naming problem, as well as the fact that the parent companies described it as “the largest advertising platform on earth” in a media call, suggest it is off to a very bad start.

News Corp. Places Another Bet

News Corp. which owns MySpace, is placing a second bet beyond Clown Co. This week they announced the launch of MySpace TV, a direct competitor to YouTube. MySpace has been collecting video clips from users for well over a year, and their recent $300 million acquisition of Photobucket adds more to the library.

Having the MySpace property behind MySpace TV is a great competitive advantage, although Google’s search engine is behind YouTube, which more than evens the playing field. And since MySpace has shown a willingness to block third party videos if there is even a hint of advertising, YouTube may, over time, find it can’t do much there.

For that reason, MySpace TV is the biggest direct threat to YouTube. But in my opinion it won’t be enough to knock them from the top spot even in the long run. YouTube is now firmly entrenched in the mainstream user’s head as the site to go to see user generated videos and copyrighted video clips, and they are backed by Google. No one is taking that from them any time soon.

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  1. eursds

    I am using youtube just because its loading extremely fast and i can watch the videos fast … all other sites load slow for me , sometimes have to wait minutes to load very short video .

  2. tomthree

    what does this have to do with the iphone?

  3. Search*Engines Web

    It is just TOO HARD to fathom why one service would give Veoh a 1% audience, while another equally prestigious would give them a 9%.

    A similar disparity exists for AOL videos - while there is a basic similarity among the rest … :-?

  4. Allen Stern

    The thing about YT is now that they have a cashoogle machine behind them, it will be hard for anyone to catchup. It’s like racing a F1 stock car against a limpy yugo. If the share declines for YT, they can just acquire someone else or rev up advertising to continue.

    #3 - my guess (and I could be wrong) is that each has different isp data. Perhaps one of them controls the AOL isp data?

    Also, YT has the public name - you don’t hear a reporter saying, “go put your videos of the house fire on Veoh” you hear them only talk about YT. Same with Google. This is ultra-critical to maintain their standing.

    Lastly, YT has float. Float helps them keep their lead without even working for it.

  5. Jason Jenkins

    All roads lead to the content providers calling all the shots, Another great opportunity in the video space for http://www.abstract10.com. Its funny how 7 years ago we couldnt find a place online to post our content, now my phone will not stop ringing, timing is everything, please bring on more video distribution sites! If you got the site we got the hip hop content!

  6. Jason Coleman

    I’m a fan of Viddler myself (www.viddler.com). Better picture quality and great commenting features. Also, it’s been loading faster than YouTube for me lately (on uploads and views). That of course is on a normal (non-TechCrunched day).

    (I’m not affiliated with Viddler other than using their service for some sites I’ve worked on and having met some of the founders before.)

  7. Clyde Smith

    The weird thing about following this kind of thing without paying attention to the details is that I thought Clown Co. had already launched and not done well.

    These big guys move so slow. By the time they get around to doing anything that doesn’t involve an acquisition, we’re already bored with it.

    Is it really possible to enter the deadpool before you even have a name?

  8. patricia

    @ clyde, that’s funny but true.

    I think we’re a ways away yet from mass users really getting into watching professional content online, but it is moving along and I have always thought this was the smart place to play in the long run. I think the mass users are still very focused on YouTube and its basic concept (plus the type of content found there) but smart, careful branding of professional content in front of them, created in short form so its easy to digest, should move them along, in my opinion.

    I’m becoming a producer of this type of content. We’ll see how it goes!

  9. Jon / BlogThot.com

    @ clyde: Good point, but I think they’ll get enough press coverage at launch to be okay. The tech crowd (us) may already be bored, but the general public will be all over it.

  10. The Southlander

    I do not believe that the Myspace brand name can be stretched to the TV audience. What next? Myspace radio, magazine, newspaper, cereal, etc.?

  11. Netmuse

    I think it’s going to be rounds and rounds of more catch up for companies like Joost and well funded competitors to compete with Youtube. My reason? Youtube was designed with heart. It’s just difficult to pay someone who clocks in at 9 and out at 5 to have the same spirit to build the best streaming player out there. This is why Amazon beat B&N… There will be a company out there that will dethrone Youtube but it will have to come from a team who wants to build the best site not for money but for plain passion.

  12. 網頁設計公司

    well…. I am not good in english , but I think sooner Microsoft will come in and buy other company to compete with youtube… this is how Microsoft’s style to fight with competitors.

  13. Miguel

    While big corporations fight to for their slice of the streaming video pie, the real revolution in IPTV is with P2P.

    These guys were ahead of their time:

    http://www.mariposaHD.tv

    in HDTV and free download with BitTorrent. That’s how I watch ‘The Sopranos’ and that’s how all TV should work in the future.

  14. tim

    well microsoft have MSN Video (2-3% share according to the stats). But MSN Video is a lot stricter on the copyright rules.. i know of friends who can’t upload their holiday vids to MSN Video because they have added in some accompanying music (eg. a pop tune). Plus you get unavoidable ads running before you can watch your chosen content. We hear a lot about ‘contextual’ advertising, but i for one will always prefer a service thats going to let me watch what i want without a 7 second Ad running first. I think the market share numbers speak for themselves, if the masses are on youtube, then thats where i will want to put my content - a truly innovative (ie not a slightly enhanced copycat) product is needed to change user behaviour, with regard to how users consume video online.. this is the only way to challenge that 60-66% share… unless youtube/google get there 1st of course! innovation/revolution + established brand = monopoly

  15. REAL REASON WHY YOUTUBE IS WORTH BILLIONS?

    Neat secrets…

    case if you were smart enought. Youtube have very good privacy policy protection during the early startup. This is what makes product successful and worth 10 billion more than joost’s innovation.

    If you startup website doesn’t have policy policy. you can’t generate 10 billion lovers and fans to like your company.

  16. Jared Mills

    Google may be seeking to expand YouTube’s reach by joining forces with AOL… http://www.webtvwire.com/aol-y.....eo-search/

  17. David Mackey

    I think MySpace is going to go down soon, so I don’t expect it to be a major competitor to Google/YouTube. All the other social networks have better features.

  18. Disclose

    Also a lot of good niche theme video site putting more pressure on YouTube.

    For example:

    http://www.disclose.tv

  19. vaspers the grate

    I don’t really have the focus pocus to sit through the temporal drudgery of a “full-length” film.

    God, that’s so 1950, “feature” film, motion picture, “movie”, isn’t it?

    I mean, we New Super Bloggers have ramped up our content streaming and have chiseled down our thought bequeathings to brilliant spurts, pure bursts, like on Jaiku and Twitter.

    We’ll stare passively at “movies”, okay maybe a good story, but we prefer it last less than 1 minute, if possible, or for a really great deconstructive narrative sensorium, possible as long as 5 minutes max.

    So the Joost installer, after I downloaded it a month ago, don’t and won’t work, but I guess I should try again. But I sit at the computer so long, as an ESCAPE FROM TELEVISION!!!!

  20. patricia

    @ vaspers, think ahead four years, and it’s not on your PC (well it could be) but on the device of choice - television, handheld, laptop, PC. that’s what the future is going to look like with this.

  21. Debo Hobo

    I like to use YouTube for the homemade videos I can find to post on my blog. I had wanted to experience JOOST but have yet to get my hands on an “invitation. Anybody?

  22. Jeremiah Owyang

    I was at Searchnomics this week, a conference focused on Search.

    I live blogged many of the sessions including this one regarding YouTube, which has one of the panelists from Google.

    http://www.web-strategist.com/.....marketing/

  23. Sebastian W.

    It would be great if I could watch a show like battlestar galactica on the day it is released (or when ever I want to) from anywhere in the world. Regional launches are not acceptable, go global in a day.

    There should be several versions.
    - with ads but free, if it works for TV then it should be possible to do the same on the net
    - pay per view stream (at a resonable price a dollar or less)
    - pay per view stream (HD version)
    - pay to own (download)
    Choose an open format, not some proprietary format.

    You should apply this to Movies too. Let the market decide if people enjoy going to the cinema (I don´t). It is time to cut out the TV middlemen in the market. If you do not give what the consumers want, than they will take what they want and you wont pocket a dime.

  24. Dave

    Gun all you want. How many times do I have to discuss winner take all markets?
    http://scholar.google.com/scho.....0ecommerce

  25. anas

    It’s not thrown. It’s throne.

  26. Bob

    The weird thing about following this kind of thing without paying attention to the details is that I thought Clown Co. had already launched and not done well.

    These big guys move so slow. By the time they get around to doing anything that doesn’t involve an acquisition, we’re already bored with it.

    Is it really possible to enter the deadpool before you even have a name?

    Bob, Editor
    Gary Carvolth Voice of the Common Man
    http://www.garycarvolth.com

  27. Alan Marks

    User generated content is free from users, so for a site to work, there has to be an means of profiting from it.

    That means advertising.

    How to get that advertising accross is something that is difficult to do. Possibly.

    What I personally would like to see is an video portal which shows all of those oldies but goodies.

  28. David Scott Lewis

    Just think, we could all enjoy an entire hour (or more) of the naked schmuck who reamed Arrington. Just what the world needs, more and more crap. See this on the AlwaysOn Network: http://alwayson.goingon.com/permalink/post/15382 … and join the discussion/debate.

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  30. Elaine Olshanetsky

    My company Memocast.com has been showing long format for over a year now. We’ve been successful straming long feature films from the start.