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]]> By: r http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1481902 r Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:15:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1481902 all this bickering and complaining coming from a country where identity theft and spam is on the daily check list of things-to-do...... USA ... who are you to throw the stone when you are sitting in the glass house????? all this bickering and complaining coming from a country where identity theft and spam is on the daily check list of things-to-do……
USA … who are you to throw the stone when you are sitting in the glass house?????

]]> By: marvin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1470635 marvin Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:29:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1470635 he you guys i know the german laws suck but 1 of all if you throw germany out of the eu it will break down since germ. pays the most money of all eu states the have been many mail prov. that requ. post mail ads. but as you know who is that stupid to use a mail ac. where they know your ad. google alr. knows where you are from they know you ad./ip so they should calm down on the other hand they could still use it with a foreign proxy server. you could post some -> to help those guys from germany who read the story!! he you guys i know
the german laws suck but
1 of all if you throw germany out
of the eu it will break down
since germ. pays the most money
of all eu states

the have been many mail prov.
that requ. post mail ads.
but as you know who is that stupid
to use a mail ac. where they know
your ad.
google alr. knows where you are from
they know you ad./ip so they should calm down

on the other hand
they could still use it with a foreign
proxy server.
you could post some
-> to help those guys from germany
who read the story!!

]]> By: Concrete Stain http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1460887 Concrete Stain Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:52:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1460887 If google bent over for China; Y not Germany? If google bent over for China; Y not Germany?

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1460025 Dave Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:23:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1460025 What starts in Germany will eventually be brought to the EU. What is brought up at the EU will eventually make it to the NAU/SPP. Are you all awake yet? What starts in Germany will eventually be brought to the EU. What is brought up at the EU will eventually make it to the NAU/SPP. Are you all awake yet?

]]> By: geg http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459999 geg Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:12:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459999 What the F is wrong with you people??? you're having a dick-waving contest over whose privacy laws are worse, or whether google's done worse in the past. why not discuss whether it's a good idea for germany to collect this data and whether it's a good thing for google to protest it? Jesus, this could be a post about how every german citizen is going to be shot in the foot, and some idiot here would post about how at least he's not in britain where he would get shot in the leg!! What the F is wrong with you people??? you’re having a dick-waving contest over whose privacy laws are worse, or whether google’s done worse in the past.

why not discuss whether it’s a good idea for germany to collect this data and whether it’s a good thing for google to protest it?

Jesus, this could be a post about how every german citizen is going to be shot in the foot, and some idiot here would post about how at least he’s not in britain where he would get shot in the leg!!

]]> By: Marshall http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459928 Marshall Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:43:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459928 ------------------------------------------------------------------- I don’t know if that is true but if it is, I’d rather Hitwise, or Google or Microsoft have my personal details than the government … ---------------------------------------------------------------- It is true and you seriously want to tell us that you prefer your personal data in the hands of private companies than in the hands of the government? If yes..I don't really know what you guys are doing over there in the UK. ——————————————————————-
I don’t know if that is true but if it is, I’d rather Hitwise, or Google or Microsoft have my personal details than the government …
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It is true and you seriously want to tell us that you prefer your personal data in the hands of private companies than in the hands of the government?
If yes..I don’t really know what you guys are doing over there in the UK.

]]> By: vi-su http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459698 vi-su Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:18:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459698 <strong>Google Mail wird dichtgemacht...</strong> Bei Umsetzung des Plans der Bundesregierung Verbindungsdaten zu speichern sowie Kundendaten zur Identifikation der Nutzer zu erheben, plant Google den eMail Dienst GMail in Deutschland einzustellen. ...... Google Mail wird dichtgemacht…

Bei Umsetzung des Plans der Bundesregierung Verbindungsdaten zu speichern sowie Kundendaten zur Identifikation der Nutzer zu erheben, plant Google den eMail Dienst GMail in Deutschland einzustellen.
……

]]> By: Bob Jones http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459624 Bob Jones Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:44:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459624 Alfonso, everything Government does is bad, the issue is how much we can limit it ... this crosses a line. No other method of communication is tracked like this, Mail is totally anonymous and Telephones can only be tracked to phone lines and not people, not to mention public phones ... but the government wants to reign in net freedom. Alfonso, everything Government does is bad, the issue is how much we can limit it … this crosses a line.

No other method of communication is tracked like this, Mail is totally anonymous and Telephones can only be tracked to phone lines and not people, not to mention public phones … but the government wants to reign in net freedom.

]]> By: Sid http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459404 Sid Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:07:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459404 Just providing a translation here :-D @ रवि (Ravi) सरकारें हर जगह एक सी होती हैं… Governments are the same in all places. चाहे भारत की हो या जर्मनी की! Whether it is the Indian [government] of the german [government]. और क़ानून बनाने वाले नेता भी And the people who make the laws. चाहे वे बुश हों या मुश! Whether it is bush or Mush [The pakistani dude] Just providing a translation here :-D
@ रवि (Ravi)

सरकारें हर जगह एक सी होती हैं…
Governments are the same in all places.

चाहे भारत की हो या जर्मनी की!
Whether it is the Indian [government] of the german [government].

और क़ानून बनाने वाले नेता भी
And the people who make the laws.

चाहे वे बुश हों या मुश!
Whether it is bush or Mush [The pakistani dude]

]]> By: Alfonso http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459376 Alfonso Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:55:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459376 While I am confident that this law will not be enforced the point you make Michael about the EU and privacy is not that clear: Does Free Speach mean Anonymity? Does Privacy mean you need anonymity? In a country like Germany where there is neither a pressure on any minority opinion (except Neo-Nazi in fact) nor a all too strong risk of "big Brother" by any secret service, having at least your email standing up for who you are wouldn't bee that bad, would it? Remeber that the rising star right now, facebbook, was all about enforcing you to use a realname adress (the college one) and now still requires it if you want to join any professional network... While I am confident that this law will not be enforced the point you make Michael about the EU and privacy is not that clear:
Does Free Speach mean Anonymity?
Does Privacy mean you need anonymity?
In a country like Germany where there is neither a pressure on any minority opinion (except Neo-Nazi in fact) nor a all too strong risk of “big Brother” by any secret service, having at least your email standing up for who you are wouldn’t bee that bad, would it?
Remeber that the rising star right now, facebbook, was all about enforcing you to use a realname adress (the college one) and now still requires it if you want to join any professional network…

]]> By: Bob Jones http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459244 Bob Jones Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:00:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459244 Sebbi, there are cameras and its a problem here, ofcourse, but I don't use cameras for free speech and while you'll never hear anybody admit it, these cameras are mostly privately owned - if a company wants to put a camera on its property, what right do I have to complain? I don't know what TV station you mean. --- " No Bob, you don’t have to handover you identity, because your ISP sells your clickstream for you to Hitwise/Comscore …for about $10/month!" I don't know if that is true but if it is, I'd rather Hitwise, or Google or Microsoft have my personal details than the government ... what a private company does with details I choose to give them isn't a freedom problem, its a common sense problem. There is a difference between Eric Schmidt knowing I dislike Tony Blair, from my e-mails or searches. and Tony Blair knowing it ... Sebbi, there are cameras and its a problem here, ofcourse, but I don’t use cameras for free speech and while you’ll never hear anybody admit it, these cameras are mostly privately owned - if a company wants to put a camera on its property, what right do I have to complain?

I don’t know what TV station you mean.

—
”
No Bob, you don’t have to handover you identity, because your ISP sells your clickstream for you to Hitwise/Comscore …for about $10/month!”
I don’t know if that is true but if it is, I’d rather Hitwise, or Google or Microsoft have my personal details than the government … what a private company does with details I choose to give them isn’t a freedom problem, its a common sense problem.

There is a difference between Eric Schmidt knowing I dislike Tony Blair, from my e-mails or searches. and Tony Blair knowing it …

]]> By: Thomas Kuhn http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459228 Thomas Kuhn Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:55:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459228 Hi folks, being the original author of the story mentioned I'm glad to follow the discussion here. One little correction anyway. The original story was not published at heise.de. It originates from the German business weekly "WirtschaftsWoche". If anyone wants to read it (in German), you will find it here: http://www.wiwo.de/pswiwo/fn/ww2/sfn/buildww/id/126/id/280127/fm/0/SH/0/depot/0/index.html Best Thomas Hi folks,

being the original author of the story mentioned I’m glad to follow the discussion here. One little correction anyway.

The original story was not published at heise.de. It originates from the German business weekly “WirtschaftsWoche”.

If anyone wants to read it (in German), you will find it here: http://www.wiwo.de/pswiwo/fn/w.....index.html

Best

Thomas

]]> By: Sayton http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459066 Sayton Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1459066 @Mike - What if your government is evil? What if you can't protect your data from an evil, powerful government guy who's after your ass for personal reasons? Here's where privacy comes in. @Mike - What if your government is evil? What if you can’t protect your data from an evil, powerful government guy who’s after your ass for personal reasons? Here’s where privacy comes in.

]]> By: Call Me X http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1458239 Call Me X Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:15:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1458239 I have a unique perspective in that I am half German and half my family resides in Germany whilst, I myself am British born (father born in Germany, mother English) The EU has brought some very good laws to the table, especailly for workers in the UK (min. wage) The 1998 privacy was also of benfit and preventing abuse of personal data and how its used (all out the window though with the new ID cards). Interesting, this German law would appear to contradict that very law of privacy. Even more interesting is the UK gov't plans for ID cards built into the Passport service, which will hold far more detailed and invasive data, then the German Gov't are requesting. Also, the UK Gov plans to share this data. Totally contradicts EU privacy laws and not just with the police, also banks and who knows what else?! The UK has the most CCTV of any country. Everything we do is recorded, from the day we are born to the day we day, the only change is technology. Personally I think every Country censors/big brother's with one hand and screams privacy rights with the other. Its just a differen't method for each country. Its all part of the New World Order. I have a unique perspective in that I am half German and half my family resides in Germany whilst, I myself am British born (father born in Germany, mother English)

The EU has brought some very good laws to the table, especailly for workers in the UK (min. wage)

The 1998 privacy was also of benfit and preventing abuse of personal data and how its used (all out the window though with the new ID cards).

Interesting, this German law would appear to contradict that very law of privacy.

Even more interesting is the UK gov’t plans for ID cards built into the Passport service, which will hold far more detailed and invasive data, then the German Gov’t are requesting. Also, the UK Gov plans to share this data. Totally contradicts EU privacy laws and not just with the police, also banks and who knows what else?!

The UK has the most CCTV of any country. Everything we do is recorded, from the day we are born to the day we day, the only change is technology.

Personally I think every Country censors/big brother’s with one hand and screams privacy rights with the other. Its just a differen’t method for each country.

Its all part of the New World Order.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1458125 Thomas Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:22:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1458125 Hands down, google is not that sweet tech company in the valley! regardless of the law of the country, it's an issue between 2 companies and not 2 countries. google could have settled that but they were arrogant. they have been arrogant many times in their acquisitions, their attitude, their product offering, orkut, myspace deal, skype deal,... being pro google, the way Duncan is going about, is fading and possibly damaging techcrunch's impartiality to the content. Hands down, google is not that sweet tech company in the valley! regardless of the law of the country, it’s an issue between 2 companies and not 2 countries. google could have settled that but they were arrogant. they have been arrogant many times in their acquisitions, their attitude, their product offering, orkut, myspace deal, skype deal,…

being pro google, the way Duncan is going about, is fading and possibly damaging techcrunch’s impartiality to the content.

]]> By: TechThatOut http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457992 TechThatOut Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:19:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457992 It's their own fault, no Googles problem It’s their own fault, no Googles problem

]]> By: Sven http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457981 Sven Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:12:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457981 @BobJones > As for learning German, if I was going to learn another language You're not. :-) @BobJones

> As for learning German, if I was going to learn another language

You’re not. :-)

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457799 Nemrut Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:50:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457799 Privacy concerns...what does that say for sites like Xing, MySpace, Linkedin, Facebook, et al.. Privacy concerns…what does that say for sites like Xing, MySpace, Linkedin, Facebook, et al..

]]> By: Arik http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457535 Arik Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:57:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457535 Over 2000 innocent civilians were slaughtered by the chinese government in 1989 simply for wanting their country to be more democratic. Ever since, the Chinese government has done a lot to erase that chapter from history, as well as other civil rights related events. Today, china still heavily censors the internet. Almost a quarter of the people in our world are deprived of their history, deprived of free knowledge about the world they live in, deprived of the means to persue democracy and to better their society, all with the help of Google: an active partner in one of the greatest censorship projects humanity has ever known. It is thanks to google, among others, that china is able to execute 10,000 (!) of it's own citizens every year, without anyone revolting- because nobody knows. Doublecheck me on this. Don't take my word for it. read the full Human Rights Watch report at: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/ . What I am trying to say is that Google is hardly an authority on freedom of any kind. What they say is irrelevant. As for the german laws, well, history teaches us that such vast knowledge bases of personal information are eventually abused. Always. Keep the internet private. It's a cause worth fighting for. But be prepared- the greatest threat on free, private internet is not the German Government. It's Google, Yahoo and Microsoft. Few years from now, these companies will know more about more people than any other government in history. Over 2000 innocent civilians were slaughtered by the chinese government in 1989 simply for wanting their country to be more democratic.
Ever since, the Chinese government has done a lot to erase that chapter from history, as well as other civil rights related events.
Today, china still heavily censors the internet. Almost a quarter of the people in our world are deprived of their history, deprived of free knowledge about the world they live in, deprived of the means to persue democracy and to better their society, all with the help of Google: an active partner in one of the greatest censorship projects humanity has ever known.
It is thanks to google, among others, that china is able to execute 10,000 (!) of it’s own citizens every year, without anyone revolting- because nobody knows.
Doublecheck me on this. Don’t take my word for it. read the full Human Rights Watch report at: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/ .
What I am trying to say is that Google is hardly an authority on freedom of any kind. What they say is irrelevant.

As for the german laws, well, history teaches us that such vast knowledge bases of personal information are eventually abused. Always.

Keep the internet private. It’s a cause worth fighting for. But be prepared- the greatest threat on free, private internet is not the German Government. It’s Google, Yahoo and Microsoft. Few years from now, these companies will know more about more people than any other government in history.

]]> By: Lars Fischer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457378 Lars Fischer Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:48:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457378 If Google shuts down my Gmail account, I'll stop using all Google products immediately. If Google shuts down my Gmail account, I’ll stop using all Google products immediately.

]]> By: Marshall http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457365 Marshall Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:42:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457365 Bob Jones: -------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify in Britain I don’t need to hand over my identity to use the internet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No Bob, you don't have to handover you identity, because your ISP sells your clickstream for you to Hitwise/Comscore ...for about $10/month! (Old) Europe's privacy laws are way more strict than the UK's old school laws. Darn...do I hate people,who are ignorant and have no clou of what they are talking about. Bob Jones:
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To clarify in Britain I don’t need to hand over my identity to use the internet
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No Bob, you don’t have to handover you identity, because your ISP sells your clickstream for you to Hitwise/Comscore …for about $10/month!
(Old) Europe’s privacy laws are way more strict than the UK’s old school laws.

Darn…do I hate people,who are ignorant and have no clou of what they are talking about.

]]> By: Germanist http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457361 Germanist Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:41:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457361 Oh, it is not a really important thing. We are going to have Orwell in some years, but it does not matter. It is all against terrorism... Oh, it is not a really important thing. We are going to have Orwell in some years, but it does not matter. It is all against terrorism…

]]> By: Alex Yakima http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457068 Alex Yakima Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:34:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457068 Not very good idea to "stop" the Web. We're breathing it now. And asphyxia isn't quite good. Not very good idea to “stop” the Web. We’re breathing it now. And asphyxia isn’t quite good.

]]> By: Sebbi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457063 Sebbi Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:32:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/23/google-may-shut-germans-out-of-gmail/#comment-1457063 @Bob Jones: <blockquote>Britain is the freer than Germany</blockquote> No sir, Britain is definetly worst in "Old Europe". I just read that there are tv-channels broadcasting live from surveillance cameras. How free is that? As for your fear of laws being pushed onto you ... your country is one of the big old ones in Europe and has great influence over what becomes EU law. You are equally "pushing laws" onto other people ... the majority likes the way it works and we look forward to greater unity in Europe, because that is the only possible way that can save us (U.S. included) from chinese domination at the middle of the century. At least in one point you are right ... learning Mandarin might prove more useful than learning German :-) lucky you that you live in a English speaking country and have to learn one language less than the rest of us ;-) @Bob Jones:

Britain is the freer than Germany

No sir, Britain is definetly worst in “Old Europe”. I just read that there are tv-channels broadcasting live from surveillance cameras. How free is that?

As for your fear of laws being pushed onto you … your country is one of the big old ones in Europe and has great influence over what becomes EU law. You are equally “pushing laws” onto other people … the majority likes the way it works and we look forward to greater unity in Europe, because that is the only possible way that can save us (U.S. included) from chinese domination at the middle of the century.

At least in one point you are right … learning Mandarin might prove more useful than learning German :-) lucky you that you live in a English speaking country and have to learn one language less than the rest of us ;-)

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