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		<title>By: Industry Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Convergence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Industry Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Convergence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read articles like this and this and it makes me crazy that I am not doing more with what I know about telecom and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Joost dans vôtre téléviseur? - Video Monte Ceneri</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1533124</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Joost dans vôtre téléviseur? - Video Monte Ceneri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1488241</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its too early to call Joost a leader.  They have excellent timing and potential but its too early.  At any point any of the big networks can throw money at the problem and push ahead of Joost.  What Joost has going for it...

1. Amazing technology timing, Joost was in Beta when everyone realized internet connectivity and user density is finally fast enough.
2. Great social timing, users love online and on demand, just look at YouTube and Launch from Yahoo.
3. Good economic timing, the rest of the world is waking up to the internet, they cannot afford cable, satellite, and fast internet.  They choose the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its too early to call Joost a leader.  They have excellent timing and potential but its too early.  At any point any of the big networks can throw money at the problem and push ahead of Joost.  What Joost has going for it&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Amazing technology timing, Joost was in Beta when everyone realized internet connectivity and user density is finally fast enough.<br />
2. Great social timing, users love online and on demand, just look at YouTube and Launch from Yahoo.<br />
3. Good economic timing, the rest of the world is waking up to the internet, they cannot afford cable, satellite, and fast internet.  They choose the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Joost</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1470060</link>
		<dc:creator>Joost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] тъй като YouTube събира видео отвсякъде. Така ще прави и Joost, която гони - и сключва - споразумения за излъчване на [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] тъй като YouTube събира видео отвсякъде. Така ще прави и Joost, която гони - и сключва - споразумения за излъчване на [...]</p>
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		<title>By: heddy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1441249</link>
		<dc:creator>heddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"While Joost is generally now regarded as the leader in the television over internet..."

This non-thinking rubbish pisses me off. Joost is the "leader" in the sense that people write stuff about it over here in the West because the founders have used all their marketing savvy to get attention. 

You go to China or Japan or Hong Kong. There you'll find millions of simultaneous users logged on to services like pplive, ppstream, uusee, maxtv, etc. And they've all designed their own p2p backends that can stream stuff in watchable quality even to people watching in the West. 

And yeah, as someone else mentioned: television over the internet = bittorrent, this side of the pacific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While Joost is generally now regarded as the leader in the television over internet&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This non-thinking rubbish pisses me off. Joost is the &#8220;leader&#8221; in the sense that people write stuff about it over here in the West because the founders have used all their marketing savvy to get attention. </p>
<p>You go to China or Japan or Hong Kong. There you&#8217;ll find millions of simultaneous users logged on to services like pplive, ppstream, uusee, maxtv, etc. And they&#8217;ve all designed their own p2p backends that can stream stuff in watchable quality even to people watching in the West. </p>
<p>And yeah, as someone else mentioned: television over the internet = bittorrent, this side of the pacific.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1440312</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’m also looking forward to the day I can sit back on my couch and surf Joost, it’s a much more appealing proposition than doing so from my computer."

Well, I can already do this.  I bought video and audio cables to connect my Macbook to my TV.  Then, I use the remote control that came provided on my Mac and can surf the programs, play and pause them right from my couch while my Macbook sits on the other side of the room...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m also looking forward to the day I can sit back on my couch and surf Joost, it’s a much more appealing proposition than doing so from my computer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I can already do this.  I bought video and audio cables to connect my Macbook to my TV.  Then, I use the remote control that came provided on my Mac and can surf the programs, play and pause them right from my couch while my Macbook sits on the other side of the room&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Burckhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1440150</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Burckhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Joost to me a success, it's gotta have good content. I've been testing it out for months now and so far there's nothing to keep me interested enough to want it in a set top box or any other device. I've watched a Spider-man cartoon or two, but other than that, I find myself heading for the TV remote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Joost to me a success, it&#8217;s gotta have good content. I&#8217;ve been testing it out for months now and so far there&#8217;s nothing to keep me interested enough to want it in a set top box or any other device. I&#8217;ve watched a Spider-man cartoon or two, but other than that, I find myself heading for the TV remote.</p>
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		<title>By: Concrete Stain</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1440142</link>
		<dc:creator>Concrete Stain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah at some point

 - the Idea that is now "UnPopular"

 - will become "Popular" - how does this compare with Unbox? ... by Amazon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah at some point</p>
<p> - the Idea that is now &#8220;UnPopular&#8221;</p>
<p> - will become &#8220;Popular&#8221; - how does this compare with Unbox? &#8230; by Amazon</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Abbey</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1437945</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's going to happen is this - people will migrate from their TV's when computers are as simple to use, as versatile and have as much content (or even less) that Cable - because the price will be right. How does "free" sound. It used to be free over the airwaves, now it is free over the Internet.

TVMama.com and JuicedonJoost.com both are following these developments:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s going to happen is this - people will migrate from their TV&#8217;s when computers are as simple to use, as versatile and have as much content (or even less) that Cable - because the price will be right. How does &#8220;free&#8221; sound. It used to be free over the airwaves, now it is free over the Internet.</p>
<p>TVMama.com and JuicedonJoost.com both are following these developments:</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1437586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm over Joost already.  I didn't find much there.  Also, I tried opening again the other day and it indicated that I needed to upgrade it, for the second time.  That's like any TV show, if it's not good and consistent, people lose interest and move on to something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m over Joost already.  I didn&#8217;t find much there.  Also, I tried opening again the other day and it indicated that I needed to upgrade it, for the second time.  That&#8217;s like any TV show, if it&#8217;s not good and consistent, people lose interest and move on to something else.</p>
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		<title>By: vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1437413</link>
		<dc:creator>vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watch live tv and free movies on www.freetv4ever.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watch live tv and free movies on <a href="http://www.freetv4ever.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freetv4ever.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bipit</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1437302</link>
		<dc:creator>Bipit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be interesting, but you cant forget about the network.  

Why have Comcast, AT&#38;T, etc not rolled out their own IPTV solutions yet?  Because the network can't handle it.  And even when joost, a pure IP solution is launched, trust me, the network owners will be able to provide a much better "switched broadcast" type product in a few years that will obliterate Joost unless they get some serious content.

IP based solutions are great, but limited to the bandwidth to the home (don't forget that a 6mbps connection from comcast should be thought of as a 1.5mbps connection with burst potential to 6mbps - ie if everyone on your node is "joosting" it ain't gonna work.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be interesting, but you cant forget about the network.  </p>
<p>Why have Comcast, AT&amp;T, etc not rolled out their own IPTV solutions yet?  Because the network can&#8217;t handle it.  And even when joost, a pure IP solution is launched, trust me, the network owners will be able to provide a much better &#8220;switched broadcast&#8221; type product in a few years that will obliterate Joost unless they get some serious content.</p>
<p>IP based solutions are great, but limited to the bandwidth to the home (don&#8217;t forget that a 6mbps connection from comcast should be thought of as a 1.5mbps connection with burst potential to 6mbps - ie if everyone on your node is &#8220;joosting&#8221; it ain&#8217;t gonna work.)</p>
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		<title>By: videoman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1436952</link>
		<dc:creator>videoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think Joost is the leader in Internte video?  ABC.com is streaming miillions and millions of episodes of their TV shows over the MoveNetworks infrastructure.  Its cheap, fast, very high quality, and their is no download -- just a plugin like Flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think Joost is the leader in Internte video?  ABC.com is streaming miillions and millions of episodes of their TV shows over the MoveNetworks infrastructure.  Its cheap, fast, very high quality, and their is no download &#8212; just a plugin like Flash.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoneranger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1436777</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoneranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should big networks work with Joost?  They lose the current model that delivers 15 minutes an hour of commercials through a variety of distributors (cable, broadcast) with a single outlet (Joost) that only shows three minutes of ads.  Now you may not like ads but that's what keeps the network guys in their BMWs.  What's in Joost for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should big networks work with Joost?  They lose the current model that delivers 15 minutes an hour of commercials through a variety of distributors (cable, broadcast) with a single outlet (Joost) that only shows three minutes of ads.  Now you may not like ads but that&#8217;s what keeps the network guys in their BMWs.  What&#8217;s in Joost for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Keogh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435762</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Keogh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MyTVPAL.COM is 1000 + Free TV channels and Thousand of Hours of Free movies, documentaries, extreme sports, in DVD and 1080p high definition on PC Player for PC and set top box for TV.

Free high definition PC Player = www.mytvpal.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MyTVPAL.COM is 1000 + Free TV channels and Thousand of Hours of Free movies, documentaries, extreme sports, in DVD and 1080p high definition on PC Player for PC and set top box for TV.</p>
<p>Free high definition PC Player = <a href="http://www.mytvpal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mytvpal.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435597</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily
you are right of course, I was thinking more in context of the Joost experience, I'm in Australia with the exact same issues you have in Europe with the delays and what not, although having said that the experience isn't the same...and for me at least I usually stream the downloaded stuff through my Zensonic Z500 to my TV :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily<br />
you are right of course, I was thinking more in context of the Joost experience, I&#8217;m in Australia with the exact same issues you have in Europe with the delays and what not, although having said that the experience isn&#8217;t the same&#8230;and for me at least I usually stream the downloaded stuff through my Zensonic Z500 to my TV <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435490</link>
		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Emily, yes. Everybody knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Emily, yes. Everybody knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Turrettini</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435466</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Turrettini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching TV on the Internet is hardly a lark! In Europe, nearly 50% of broadband users watch TV online.  Watching TV series (not just downloaded but streamed) is both hugely popular in Europe and South Korea - because the shows are usually broadcast on national TV channels 6 months to one year later than in the US. Watching them online is a huge attraction.

Read: &lt;a href="http://www.textually.org/tv/archives/2007/05/016003.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;America lags behind Europe and S Korea in watching TV Online&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching TV on the Internet is hardly a lark! In Europe, nearly 50% of broadband users watch TV online.  Watching TV series (not just downloaded but streamed) is both hugely popular in Europe and South Korea - because the shows are usually broadcast on national TV channels 6 months to one year later than in the US. Watching them online is a huge attraction.</p>
<p>Read: <a href="http://www.textually.org/tv/archives/2007/05/016003.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.textually.org');">America lags behind Europe and S Korea in watching TV Online</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian McConnell</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435438</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joost in a CATV network is not as high-overhead as you'd think. True video on demand is high overhead, and you do not want to be doing that for the Daily Show. Deploying practical video on demand in an IP based CATV network is a different story. 

I think the real significance of Joost's P2P strategy is for CATV deployments where everyone is using a settop box running their software. In this type of environment, you have 100-400 nodes that share a network segment. If each of these nodes is both a P2P relay and storage server, you can do some really interesting things without clogging the upstream network.

Assume each of these boxes has 500GB of disk or thereabouts in 2008 (and more each year), and the system is configured so each program is stored on at least 2 different boxes. This means you have about 25-100TB of shared storage on each network segment. That's enough for 25,000 to 100,000 hours of standard definition programming, and 2,500 to 10,000 of HD, depending on encoding format. 

That's enough to cache the majority of the stuff that people are likely to want to watch using a brute force tactic. Add other smarts like syncing the set top boxes with Netflix and Blockbuster watchlists, and you can record even more stuff 24/7, available for local playback as needed. 

The point here is that bandwidth is not the issue. It is storage. If every set top box is a P2P Tivo, more or less, then you can background record virtually everything within a local subnet, and know that there is a 99% chance you can copy it off your neighbors set top box. 

So yes, Joost's P2P system is broken if its throttled by the CATV provider. But if Joost is in the cable box and CATV network itself, their system will work very well. As with Skype, I think they're ahead of everyone here, and have spotted something that went unnoticed by most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joost in a CATV network is not as high-overhead as you&#8217;d think. True video on demand is high overhead, and you do not want to be doing that for the Daily Show. Deploying practical video on demand in an IP based CATV network is a different story. </p>
<p>I think the real significance of Joost&#8217;s P2P strategy is for CATV deployments where everyone is using a settop box running their software. In this type of environment, you have 100-400 nodes that share a network segment. If each of these nodes is both a P2P relay and storage server, you can do some really interesting things without clogging the upstream network.</p>
<p>Assume each of these boxes has 500GB of disk or thereabouts in 2008 (and more each year), and the system is configured so each program is stored on at least 2 different boxes. This means you have about 25-100TB of shared storage on each network segment. That&#8217;s enough for 25,000 to 100,000 hours of standard definition programming, and 2,500 to 10,000 of HD, depending on encoding format. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s enough to cache the majority of the stuff that people are likely to want to watch using a brute force tactic. Add other smarts like syncing the set top boxes with Netflix and Blockbuster watchlists, and you can record even more stuff 24/7, available for local playback as needed. </p>
<p>The point here is that bandwidth is not the issue. It is storage. If every set top box is a P2P Tivo, more or less, then you can background record virtually everything within a local subnet, and know that there is a 99% chance you can copy it off your neighbors set top box. </p>
<p>So yes, Joost&#8217;s P2P system is broken if its throttled by the CATV provider. But if Joost is in the cable box and CATV network itself, their system will work very well. As with Skype, I think they&#8217;re ahead of everyone here, and have spotted something that went unnoticed by most.</p>
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		<title>By: hoy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435270</link>
		<dc:creator>hoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm late to the joost party having just downloaded it on my MCE PC yesterday, I'm loving it. I have my PC in my living room between my sub and my plasma and I can surf joost from my couch with my wireless keyboard. It is changing the TV watching experience for sure. of course, you do need a fast connection and hook it up to your TV and entertainment system to really enjoy it, watching it on your laptop or desktop monitor just ain't the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the joost party having just downloaded it on my MCE PC yesterday, I&#8217;m loving it. I have my PC in my living room between my sub and my plasma and I can surf joost from my couch with my wireless keyboard. It is changing the TV watching experience for sure. of course, you do need a fast connection and hook it up to your TV and entertainment system to really enjoy it, watching it on your laptop or desktop monitor just ain&#8217;t the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1435109</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes no sense to me either. Joost is TV on the Internet, but it is like cable TV because the only content on Joost are content deals Joost makes - mostly with those already with other broadcast outlets. So why would cable want that? They have that already. So it's on demand.  Between Tivo and On Demand, I think we have that already also. And, as someone pointed out.... the big companies own the tubes (to steal a phase from Senator Stevens). So all this is is convergence that you have to pay the cable company or the telco for any way -- either as TV or super-high-speed broadband access. And you can subscribe already to the content the infrastructure folks provide -- much of it commercial free -- or you can watch Joost, which in this world looks to me like simply another kind of network -- one with worse content. 

The promise of video on the net is freedom from the walled gardens, a place where  anyone can be a broadcaster, using standardized encoding and software to be available to anyone anytime. And Google can help me find what I am looking for. So I don't know how this will play out really, but I think Duncan is missing a level of sophistication in his praise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes no sense to me either. Joost is TV on the Internet, but it is like cable TV because the only content on Joost are content deals Joost makes - mostly with those already with other broadcast outlets. So why would cable want that? They have that already. So it&#8217;s on demand.  Between Tivo and On Demand, I think we have that already also. And, as someone pointed out&#8230;. the big companies own the tubes (to steal a phase from Senator Stevens). So all this is is convergence that you have to pay the cable company or the telco for any way &#8212; either as TV or super-high-speed broadband access. And you can subscribe already to the content the infrastructure folks provide &#8212; much of it commercial free &#8212; or you can watch Joost, which in this world looks to me like simply another kind of network &#8212; one with worse content. </p>
<p>The promise of video on the net is freedom from the walled gardens, a place where  anyone can be a broadcaster, using standardized encoding and software to be available to anyone anytime. And Google can help me find what I am looking for. So I don&#8217;t know how this will play out really, but I think Duncan is missing a level of sophistication in his praise.</p>
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		<title>By: Faisal Galaria</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1434984</link>
		<dc:creator>Faisal Galaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joost has done a great job making watching TV on a laptop a viability, TV 2.0 if you will, in the same the founders did of making phone calls on a laptop @ Skype. Jaman www.jaman.com by contrast is redefining the way people watch movies - Social Cinema in high definition or Movies 2.0 and already 4 times as many movies available for download as Apple's iTunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joost has done a great job making watching TV on a laptop a viability, TV 2.0 if you will, in the same the founders did of making phone calls on a laptop @ Skype. Jaman <a href="http://www.jaman.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaman.com</a> by contrast is redefining the way people watch movies - Social Cinema in high definition or Movies 2.0 and already 4 times as many movies available for download as Apple&#8217;s iTunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1434900</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joost is a great idea (although I've never personally used it as no one has invited me :-( )  I definitely agree that the cable companies will probably squash this idea though which is kinda sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joost is a great idea (although I&#8217;ve never personally used it as no one has invited me <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> )  I definitely agree that the cable companies will probably squash this idea though which is kinda sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1434865</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple TV is the 2007 version of the Newton 1994.

And the hype of Joost seems to have died, lately.

I still want to see TV the way I described it a few months ago:
http://www.centernetworks.com/what-i-want-in-a-video-system-what-do-you-want</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple TV is the 2007 version of the Newton 1994.</p>
<p>And the hype of Joost seems to have died, lately.</p>
<p>I still want to see TV the way I described it a few months ago:<br />
<a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/what-i-want-in-a-video-system-what-do-you-want" rel="nofollow">http://www.centernetworks.com/.....o-you-want</a></p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/15/embedded-joost-will-change-the-market/#comment-1434634</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with tv over the internet is quality. I believe this is one of the core reasons the appletv will fail. It has an hdmi connection and its marketed at big screen hdtv's, but for customers who are accustomed to even broadcast hd, the appletv quality looks ipod quality - intolerable junk. Until we can get the bandwidth in our homes, or some really nifty compression, its just not going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with tv over the internet is quality. I believe this is one of the core reasons the appletv will fail. It has an hdmi connection and its marketed at big screen hdtv&#8217;s, but for customers who are accustomed to even broadcast hd, the appletv quality looks ipod quality - intolerable junk. Until we can get the bandwidth in our homes, or some really nifty compression, its just not going to happen.</p>
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