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	<title>Comments on: Music Labels and Carriers to Steal iPhone Thunder</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] several other mobile solutions for playing music on your phone. The most recent player has been MusicStation, which mimics iTunes and plays songs with accompanying album art. If you&#8217;re only interested [...]</description>
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		<title>By: alexislli</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1459588</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to keep in mind. I'm guessing, but I'll bet I'm pretty damn close.

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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1430804</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim you are right - and there is no model out there where are carrier is not collecting data charges somewhere in the model.  At 2.99 euros per week, the labels will be taking 50% minimum leaving the carriers to share 1.50 with Omnifone....this is not attracitive to a carrier, especially for heavy users.  As the charges are being added to the carrier bill, a standard revenue share is roughly 40% of the end user price - so unless Omnifone plan to survive on what is left, I can't see the model being sustainable.  No thunder being stolen here.

Also in January the press was saying "...that works on all major music handsets..."  Sorry but that is far rom 85% - 90% per cent of handsets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim you are right - and there is no model out there where are carrier is not collecting data charges somewhere in the model.  At 2.99 euros per week, the labels will be taking 50% minimum leaving the carriers to share 1.50 with Omnifone&#8230;.this is not attracitive to a carrier, especially for heavy users.  As the charges are being added to the carrier bill, a standard revenue share is roughly 40% of the end user price - so unless Omnifone plan to survive on what is left, I can&#8217;t see the model being sustainable.  No thunder being stolen here.</p>
<p>Also in January the press was saying &#8220;&#8230;that works on all major music handsets&#8230;&#8221;  Sorry but that is far rom 85% - 90% per cent of handsets.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1430152</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with 5, 12, 17.  I already have music and will get more that I can place on several devices.  Why pay someone addn'l money monthly to rent music for just one device?  Think about it, it doesn't make sense.  That doesn't sound like competitive device to an iPhone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with 5, 12, 17.  I already have music and will get more that I can place on several devices.  Why pay someone addn&#8217;l money monthly to rent music for just one device?  Think about it, it doesn&#8217;t make sense.  That doesn&#8217;t sound like competitive device to an iPhone.</p>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1430053</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy music DRM free. I don't RENT music and I don't let anyone else decide how, where, when, and on which device I will listen to it.

No music "rental" company will ever gain any kind of broad consumer support.</description>
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		<title>By: Firefox Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1429997</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is reasonable price and if it would work like last.fm i would not hesitate to subscribe. it's now possible to connect your phone to any music device so services like those could become center of your home entertainment.

most important thing is that we don't have to pay for bytes to listen good music.</description>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1429750</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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 - that study although would / deter me - from competing</description>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1429072</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kim

According to their website there aren't any data charges. Presumably they work in conjunction with the network operator. Which in turn means they'll probably be limited to one operator per country initially as the networks will want exclusivity.</description>
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<p>According to their website there aren&#8217;t any data charges. Presumably they work in conjunction with the network operator. Which in turn means they&#8217;ll probably be limited to one operator per country initially as the networks will want exclusivity.</p>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1429031</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"... will work on all 2.5-3G compatible phones"

Not true, they've launched with Telenor in Sweden with only 3 supported phones. (http://www.telenor.se/150_1.jsp?service_id=149347)</description>
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<p>Not true, they&#8217;ve launched with Telenor in Sweden with only 3 supported phones. (http://www.telenor.se/150_1.jsp?service_id=149347)</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Knuewer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1429027</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Knuewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would actually need this? It's a way too expensive service in a closed environment. If you really think anyone wouldn't buy the Iphone on which you'll (hopefully) be able to synchronize your music from Itunes, because there's another phone where you have to pay and pay for your music - then you're falling for their pr rubbish. You might say, this poses a risk to Itunes sales - but not to the Iphone.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428977</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kim Rampling</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428623</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Rampling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great 2.99 euros per week for unlimited downloads, but what about the Telco's data charges? They have always screwed up their business models by charging completely exhortationate rates for date transfers to mobile phones. Anyone know if they have learn't their lesson with this new service? Or will they expect us to pay an extra x amount of euro (you name the price depending on connection/download time etc., etc)  PER song in data download costs, as they seem to right now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds great 2.99 euros per week for unlimited downloads, but what about the Telco&#8217;s data charges? They have always screwed up their business models by charging completely exhortationate rates for date transfers to mobile phones. Anyone know if they have learn&#8217;t their lesson with this new service? Or will they expect us to pay an extra x amount of euro (you name the price depending on connection/download time etc., etc)  PER song in data download costs, as they seem to right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428237</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Omnifone is far behind Didiom. Didiom's ultra sleek app is free and I don't pay any service fees.</description>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428075</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428059</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love Pandora and would hate to see them hit the deadpool (which, unfortunately, seems eminent).  This looks like the kind of mobile platform they need.  So Pandora, if you are reading, get on this.  You are one epic Biz Dev deal and one hell of a intergration way from 1.) saving your epiclly awesome genome idea and 2.) actully making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love Pandora and would hate to see them hit the deadpool (which, unfortunately, seems eminent).  This looks like the kind of mobile platform they need.  So Pandora, if you are reading, get on this.  You are one epic Biz Dev deal and one hell of a intergration way from 1.) saving your epiclly awesome genome idea and 2.) actully making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Prada Phone</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/14/music-labels-to-steal-iphone-thunder/#comment-1428039</link>
		<dc:creator>Prada Phone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Yahoo has the right idea charging a flat rate for millions of songs for downloads but their is always artists that think their " Too Important " for agreeing to such sharing of intellectual copywrite. Shania Twain is one of these greedy people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Yahoo has the right idea charging a flat rate for millions of songs for downloads but their is always artists that think their &#8221; Too Important &#8221; for agreeing to such sharing of intellectual copywrite. Shania Twain is one of these greedy people.</p>
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