I am heavily dependant on my web-browser as a core tool using it constantly throughout the day. Indeed Safari looks out of place on Windows (I’m using XP), the menu bar (File,Edit,..) looks pretty horrible because the Windows window doesn’t allow it to put it at the top and thereby make good use of space (leaves a stupid grey gap). The browser is full of bugs, when I maximize to full-screen, then minimize to the taskbar, then restore, it doesn’t restore full-screen but half-sized – this pisses me off all day. Also, restoring by clicking on the button on the taskbar doesn’t even work. I’ve also had it a few times where I can’t get the window to restore when it’s displaying an error dialogue generated by the webpage I’m visiting. Other than that I’ve had pretty much no trouble at all.

Cool features include:
>> The newly added ability to consolidate all browser windows into tabs (Window>’Merge All Windows’) – I’ve wanted this feature for so long on my Mac, clears up the clutter of windows (an especially positive thing on Windows as you can’t ‘hide’ apps).
>> I can resize the text-box I’m writing in right now by grabbing the bottom right-hand corner, I think this is a really cool feature, cause sometimes form designers only give you a tiny box.
>> The new Find feature is much-improved.

Despite any bugs I am experiencing, and some terrible frustrations, now that Apple software is arriving on Windows am determined to use nothing else. I’m sure that this will seem idiotic to some, but I’m prepared to wait for Apple to fix these problems as I know they will eventually get their browser in tip-top shape, have some patience folks, and please submit bug reports.

As for people complaining that it looks crappy on Vista, I had to laugh.. I went into a store the other day and was fiddling with Vista, horrified to see that they’d tried to copy the window transparency from OSX (select applications) which looks pretty good, except on Windows they got it horribly wrong, for it’s not a transparency at all, it’s a blur, and the tops of all the windows look like they’ve got poo smeared on them – an absolutely ghastly interface. Windows needs to start thinking for themselves, they copy the Aqua GUI and call it Aero, and get it wrong, they copy Widgets and call them Gadgets, and get them wrong.. blah blah.. From the beginning Microsoft has been stumbling around in the wake of Apple’s intuition, they should break free and do something original and cool.

Unfortunately Windows is the business of making shoddy garbage, cheap imitations of Macintosh, and selling it in bulk.. Apple on the other hand has a keen eye for detail, they are perfectionists, and because of that I’m confident that Safari will become very good once it takes on full-release.

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They are getting so many customer due solely to the fact that there stuff looks “cool”, and then they release a product meant to give PC users a Mac experience, and its the ugliest app I’ve seen since the last download.com mp3-conversion shareware I downloaded.

They have a pretty extensive developer network. It’s free to register for access to the online resources:

http://developer.apple.com/

But if you need more “under the hood access,” you’ll need to lay down a little cash:

http://develope...e.com/products/

I know that Apple is reaching out to Windows Developers with this WebKit release, so there’s a big educational push going on at the WWDC conference this week with a lot of hands-on help. Apparently a lot of new converts are attending this year, and they’re catering more to them.

But, I’m sorry I can’t be of more help.

Duncan did you used to BBS?

And hey… web designers will have more compatibility headaches anyway.

Come one guys! The line has been drawn. There is only room for IE and FF

Just to mention, embedding IE in a Windows app (especially in a .NET app) is as easy as dropping a control on the designer. From there you get things like “.Navigate(url)”, “.Document”, etc.

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Peter hat dem Safari ja quasi schom mit dem Titel den Todesstoss verpasst, ‘Desaströses Win-Safari: Schritt zurück für Apple’.Ganz so schlimm war mein erster Eindruck eigentlich nicht. Ich muss aber a……

I can think of two reasons they may have:
1) Outlook suffers from a really old codebase which in my opinion, needs a desperate rewrite. But it causes it to be somewhat single-threaded (therefore sluggish). Perhaps they can do a better job merging word in there than IE
2) I don’t think the Office and IE teams are allowed to talk (antitrust), so they may have not known what to expect with IE 7 when both were being developed in parallel.
3) Perhaps they were looking to reduce exploits by taking a dumbed-down renderer. This way people can’t embed ActiveX or JavaScript that may affect the system. You can turn off these features when you embed IE in an app, but maybe they thought this was the safest bet. Again, the Outlook team doesn’t own the IE code and probably doesn’t want to get blamed with a security hole. Go figure.

– solution searching for a problem …

– the problem was developers / on windows – couldnt test without a mac

(Pardon me if it does already, but I could have sworn that Outlook has more trouble rendering HTML than even IE does.)

Seems like if IE was so easy to embed in other apps, they should be able to make Outlook display HTML and Flash with ease. Just curious.

Since the iPhone runs OS X, and since WebKit is a major component of OS X, it’s pretty easy to see why Apple needed WebKit to make the iPhone work with the internet and the OS so seamlessly.

Choosing Gecko for OS X would have made it slow and difficult to bake into the widgets, E-Mail application and other apps. But having WebKit as a core component in the OS allows it to share resources and have it co-exist with Core Animation and other OS X technologies with ease and speed.