Comments on: Apple: Safari 3 Windows Version Launches (and here’s your API into the iPhone)

By: Livingston Hinckley

Livingston Hinckley — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:50:03 +0000

Safari works just fine in XP sp2, loads even faster than Opera.
If you poke about a bit, there’s come common bits with Mozilla, so now lets
have some adapted Firefox extensions! (Yes, the speed is partly because there are few extensions right now…)

By: Sachin Palewar

Sachin Palewar — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:54:44 +0000

Wirednews says that safari is slower than IE and firefox on this link - http://blog.wired.com/monkeybi....._benc.html

I know safari windows is still in beta, but nevertheless this benchmark is interesting.

I also don’t see any excitement in AJAX apps for iPhone, already guessed that we will be able to run the webapps as it has a webbrowser. I think their latest announcment just means that safari on iphone supports AJAX. Anyway will be waiting for the day when Apple intros some read SDK to write native iPhone applications.

By: Suraj

Suraj — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:47:44 +0000

hi all,
I installed safari on windows xp sp2 it is not running what is the problem with that. It is showing only Loading “http://www.apple.com/startpagr” what should i do ?

By: Manas

Manas — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:35:22 +0000

iPhone @ WWDC - Why are they not loving it?…

I don’t get why the world is not in love with the iPhone even more. Yeah I know, that’s almost impossible. But what is this outrage over no SDK? It takes Web Apps and AJAX apps. Waitaminnit -
We can write our own apps on our favorite phon…

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By: Ralph

Ralph — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:33:12 +0000

Keep in mind that Safari’s WebKit is Open Source. You can develop all of the “Netscape Style” plugins you want:

http://developer.apple.com/int.....l#anchor11

While Safari doesn’t support “Firefox Extensions,” you can actually build any application you want with WebKit. You could build your own custom browser with WebKit if you wanted to.

For instance, iTunes is an example of Apple’s WebKit in an application. iTunes is basically just a custom WebKit browser.

Also, the Widget layer on OS X is just another form of WebKit. (Which makes me wonder if Apple will create a WebKit Widget-layer for Windows, following the new W3C Widget standard, hopefully).

Anyway, I think you’ll find that Safari WebKit is rather developer friendly:

http://developer.apple.com/doc.....ebContent/

By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:15:12 +0000

As big of a fan as I am for Apple applications for Windows, Apple is really going to have to debug this one. Using it for 10 minutes, the system memory that it took up exceeded 300 MB! Sorry Apple, back to Firefox. And why not open it up to developers for extensions like Firefox provides?

By: Phillip

Phillip — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:42:53 +0000

There have been a bunch of reports of Safari 3 for Windows not picking up the OS fonts correctly. So, it just displays lines where it can’t display the font. Not sure what that’s all about.

It’s probably a little too beta for most people.

By: Kendall

Kendall — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:46:11 +0000

I gave Safari on Windows a spin and it seems more or less OK, but I found that I just couldn’t live without Adblock Plus. (I googled around a bit, but the only thing that appears to be close, PithHelmet, is OS X only.)

By: jannes

jannes — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:35:51 +0000

Safari 3 beta doesn´t work even on a mac

By: Anthony Deloso

Anthony Deloso — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:09:47 +0000

This keeps happening to a lot of people:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hct.....ked_up.jpg

There is a post over here about the fonts not working:
http://discussions.apple.com/t.....;tstart=15

There are several fixes to the font thing, but this is one that seems to work most of the time:

1. Copy the Lucida Grande font files to the \Windows\Fonts directory.
2. Rename the Safari.resources folder to something else.
3. Try to start Safari, get an error message, and dismiss the message.
4. Name Safari.resources back to its original name.
5. Start Safari.

I feel bad for Apple. This is bad all around.

By: Upanisad

Upanisad — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:41:38 +0000

It’s a US-only beta, I guess. On Windows versions for other countries it just screws up! Bold and italic disappear and all sorts of weird things happen!!!
The JS engine seems to works perfectly, anyway… so it’s decent to use it for Ajax testing.

By: ISmo

ISmo — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:36:46 +0000

I haven’t installed Safari yet, I do not want to spoil my stable Windows with rubbish. How dare Apple is. I bet it cannot be faster than Opera or Firefox. It must be a joke. Please, test Safari’s JS engine with this page and tell us your findings.
http://w3net.eu/code/privateMembers/

By: Thomas

Thomas — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:54:03 +0000

What’s funny is that even apple.com looks like a mess in my install of Safari. I don’t even get any text on the website, only images. As you say, thank God it’s beta - but they seem to have a lot of bugs to fix.

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:49:14 +0000

As I mentioned before, this is more about the iPhone. You’re all getting so technical and worked up about a beta version of Safari.

By: Granov

Granov — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:42:24 +0000

i tried it.
it is not as fast as apple claims it to be (faster then f.fox??, i think not!)
and it crashes in hebrew sites (beta…)
no reason to use it on a pc, maybe to test safari compliant sites.
apple, u should better concentrate on the Iphone and not on this…

By: Phillip

Phillip — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:57:34 +0000

Tyler,
I’m not sure I see how I misrepresented you. You’re the one that seems to think that less browsers are better for the world. Are you aware that there are more than 4 browsers in the world?

I’m the one who believes that there should be many browsers that all follow the same rules. And if you haven’t noticed, there are a lot of people who feel that way.

No one ever said that Safari was perfect. But, it’s currently the farthest along of any browser of supporting Web Standards.

Make fun of it all you want. But, if you don’t know how to design standards-compliant websites, you’re just going to fall behind the curve.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:22:22 +0000

Philip, I’m impressed. You’ve managed to misread or misrepresent both my posts, but you did find time to throw in personal attacks in your responses. Forgive me for not feeling motivated to engage you further.

I concede the point to you. Safari is the perfect browser. Every single release has been fully standards-compliant. No release has ever had display bugs or required CSS hacks. It has always supported XMLHttpRequest. Since the dawn of time, no web developer has ever written a web page that failed to work in Safari exactly as intended. Really. It’s the Chuck Norris of web browsers.

By: Nemrut

Nemrut — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:13:39 +0000

…pretty neat. works fine on XP but doesnt come close to the user experience of firefox.

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:03:04 +0000

Love the comments from Tyler and Andre. Funny stuff.

Personally I develop for Mozilla/Safari first and once that is working I see what IE is messing up that I have to account for. Anybody that does it the other way around I believe is causing a lot of unnecessary stress for themselves.

Also remember Apple released this as a beta and despite the overwhelming amount of web 2.0 sites declaring that they are beta Apple just might still have that term in regard to what it used to mean for desktop applications. Give them time folks.

By: Phillip

Phillip — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:24:30 +0000

Yeah, you gotta show love for those those “dirty” xp installs.

By: Avatar

Avatar — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:08:22 +0000

Itunes has really become the trojan horse of Apple, first it obliged to install quicktime and now is doing the very same thing with safari.. (be it optional or not)

but what i am bothered with Steve Jobs having the nerve, even in PR mode to say that Safari is the most innovative and advanced Browser??????

Not in a million years.. and the little thing he failed to mention about those bechmarks is that they were done in clean xp installs, and not even demoed in vista, because ie7 in vista is faster than in xp, and because Safari has a overload of cache with just 15 minutes of use, i would have liked to see a 1hr bechmark, and then see who won from ie7 (even in Xp) and Safari….i got the answer since i just tested it in 3 computers.. the winner by a longshot is IE7….

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:59:16 +0000

This is pretty cool so far. I have it installed on XP, on a machine laden with corporate security crap, and it seems pretty snappy. We run the whole company off of web aps (and MicroSloppy Off), and it has run every web ap and collaboration as well as IE7 or FF, except for one (out of a lot). Well, it’s a beta, so I’ll look forward to seeing the progress. If the do this right, it could continue their ongoing counter attack.

I was hoping to hear about the ZFS implementation, or if it was for real at least.

By: Mcwop

Mcwop — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:50:29 +0000

Tyler, IE does have the lion’s share of the market. Now imagine if 25% if Windows IE users buy an iPhone and use that to surf the net via WiFi 25% of the time. That increases the Safari market share significantly. So Safari will have to become a target of web developers in the near future. My thinking is that the WiFi component is the most underestimated aspect of the iPhone. In fact just give me a widescreen iPod with Wifi, and I will be happy. To hell with the cell phone capabilities.

By: Phillip

Phillip — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:58:15 +0000

Tyler,
The point of Web Standards is not to only have one rendering engine! If you truly believe that, then you do not fully grasp the meaning of Web Standards. I mean no disrespect when I say this, but your comment has got to be the dumbest suggestion I’ve ever heard of. (Especially since Safari WebKit is much faster than Gecko)

If you truly design your JavaScript/HTML/CSS to be standards compliant, it will work fine in Firefox and in Safari. Period, end of story.

There’s virtually no extra work. Standards are a good thing if you want to support multiple browsers.