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What genuine doesnt mention at all and stryker indicates with the words “After 2.5years of working insane hours…” are the avatar-skills, that turn the gamble slowly, very slowly to a great fun working place. Skills directly affect the loot, but not only.

I am by far not at that point yet, but I am aware that the hard times getting less. Therefore i disagree with strykers sentence ” As i said, you dont have to play at this high level”. Yes you really got to, or you will have to stop playing and loose a lot at a point of no return, or depo, depo and depo again, to skill, skill and skill again, till you have your own 6K USD in and finally make a constant profit.

Another thing you really have to do too, is listen carefully to the succesful players. There are loads of theories in the game and some players constantly keep their theories proofed by their success. One of my ex-disciples is a good example, he hofs constantly and way more than i do, so i use to listen to his advice now.

Over the next 2.5 years I would say I have deposited a total of $6k usd, and put in more hours than your average Asian gamer (no offense meant whatsoever). This sum sounds tremendous, but I was smart about my investments, and was actually offered $100,000 for my account last December, which I promptly refused. Aside from this offer, I have taken out quite a bit more than that $6k I invested, won’t say the exact amount as I dont want to make any EU participants who may read this upset.

You can play on many different levels in Entropia. I have always been the type of person who feels I need to be the best at whatever I do, so I used my limited funds (all deposits came from previous summer jobs, etc, as I am still a student) and time to build my avatar to what I feel is top 5 in the game today; My current equipment and skill are valued at ~ $150,000, and I am a proud member of the #1 Society in EU.

Why so much? After 2.5 years of working insane hours, I am to the point where I can play for guaranteed profit, and instead of going back to construction this summer, Im proud to say Im using Entropia to rebuild my bank account for the upcoming college semesters. I can make more on an average month than your average accountant starting out in the workforce.

As I said, you dont have to play at this high level. New starter weapons with nice bonus attributes are available to people starting out; weapons that were unheard of when I first joined, making for much more efficient hunting/mining.

As with just about anything in life, Entropia can take you as far as you allow it to; You can play for fun, friends, profits, or all three =)

If Entropia Universe isn’t supposed to be an online gambling service, what is the purpose of “Global” loot messages advertising loots received over the value of 50 PEDs, the “Hall of Fame” and “All Time High’s” other than to encourage players to gamble their PEDs (US Dollars) in the games of chance that are the Hunting, Mining and Manufacturing professions in pursuit of that elusive win?

The driving dominant factor for successful outcomes (a win) in the three playable professions in Entropia (Hunting, Mining, Manufacturing) is nothing other than a series of hidden random algorithms that determine a profit or a loss, with unknown and secret odds.

The obvious nature of the game is that the ‘House Always Wins’ at the expense of those paying for the privilege of a chance to spin the wheel/roll the dice/pull the lever/click the mouse and gamble on striking it lucky.

Gambling in this context has a specific economic definition, referring to “wagering money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods”.

The Manufacturing/Crafting “profession” in Entropia is directly analogous to playing a Slot machine, in that items of real value are gambled with the intent of producing a gain/profit given unknown odds. The actual in-game system involves nothing more than dragging virtual items of a specific value into a window, pressing a button and then waiting for an algorithm to generate a random outcome of either a win or a loss.

The exact same thing also takes place in the Hunting and Mining “professions”, however, this time virtual ammo or virtual mining probes (which have a real cash value) act as the casino chips/coins, and an unknown random algorithm generates either a profit or a loss in terms of the loot received (which has a real cash value) when a creature is killed or a mining probe dropped.

The only purpose “Global” loot messages, the “Hall of Fame” and “All Time High’s” serve is to demonstrate how much one may win, and to encourage players to gamble PEDs (US Dollars) on these so called “professions”.

Dear Eu Gal , I think Dakotah refers to the following paragraph which obviously is very one-sided. Good thing is that you are representing nothing and nobody, you are just insulting people here.

“Users/ players must setup an avatar with a bewildering array of options. Entropia Universe claims that they have the best avatars in the business and it’s a fair claim. Much nicer looking than Second Life with more customization options than you’ll probably ever want to use.”

Sounds to me like either you have ADD, or you’re only interested in the way the avatars look.

Seeing as 2nd life is all about virtual sex, you should keep your happy ass there, anyway, we don’t want you in EU

You can see some of Calypso’s beautiful avatars at my Flickr page:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/m.....161743837/

or last week’s Entropia Hawtie

http://myentropianlife.blogspo.....awtie.html

Cheers!

I just seems really strange to me to claim the avatars would look much nicer than in second life. As I was playing with the edit sliders I came to the point to quit the game and deintalled it right away. I found them realy ugly in comparison.

All three games have their values to different kinds of ppl. So if you want to start one of the 3 ( even 2 together is kinda impossible) just ask you yourself this questions to decide which game is best for you. In each game you will meet most of these kinds of ppl, that will answer thse questions same ways like you do.
-Are you an artist and not interested in games? - Play SL!
-You want to get a serious internet entrepreneur with your own creations? Play SL!
-You want to get a serious internet entrepreneur with pre-build investments, so no own creativity is needed? Play EU!
- Are you an artist and interested in gaming too? - Better play EU
-Are you a gamer but not interested in Casino-gamble? - Better play WoW
- So you are a gamer and a gambler? - Play EU, you´ll love it!
- You like hardcore Casino-Gambling only? - Play EU and become a crafter!
- Do you have no patience and no money to substitute it? - Forget EU and SL, better play WoW

To answer Joses Question from above about Raids/Instances, PvP and Quests.

Raids/instances: As a hunter you plan your own raids on this or that mob and besides the beaconruns and some competitions there are no instances the way you know them from WoW. Competitions vary from swimming and running-events to Hunting Championships and the WOF ( World of Firepower event) which is a tournament where countries compete against each other.

PvP: In my point of view even better than in WoW. They vary from the Octagon Fights (Arena) and unlootable PvPs in certain PvP areas or landclaims to lootable PvP, where you can loot all stackable items (loots mainly) from your PKed opponent. Lootable PvP is pure adrenaline cause hunting and mining is there very profitable too. Another kind of PvP in EU is the annually Land Grab, where whole societies fight for several landclaims, this is like real war, some kind of capture and hold the flag for 4 hours. A participanting society gets an idea what real war really costs.

Quests: Simply no. Maybe you can count player organized events here, but the common quest like you may know it from games like WoW or Baldurs Gate is not available in EU

About aims in EU: There are no real aims, besides things like, i want to be able to shoot a hundred Aurli Devastators in a row,naked without faping (healing), getting rich by it, to pay the bills, skill up crafting or buy a landclaim.

About highest loots: Actually 158K PED (15.8K USD) is by far not the highest loot ever made in EU. It got surpassed by a crafting All Time High of 22.9K USD 2 month ago but that still is not the highest. A very famous miner in the game once got a Hall of Fame entry of 17k PED TradeTerminal-worth (1.7k USD) of Rugaritz stone. This stone has the markup of about 3.4K-4.1K%, so this loot should be something between 60-70K USD, when sold to other players.

greetz CBB

if u ever download EU ,goto a place called atlas haven, and ask for me ; CBB
i ll help and answer all questions u got,

greetings
CBB

-WoW is really beautiful, I think it’s the best looking game of the 3 by far. The interface is very intuitive and the monthly fee isn’t that big.
The disadvantage for an adult is the community, it’s kinda childish, it’s a lovely game but it’s for kids. It’s also not really hard to be an high lvl player in a relative short time due the lvl Limit. So it’s beautiful, fun, cheap but it has a mainly children community.

-SL is the most crappy looking I think, it’s an animated chatbox. The idea of able to script and be creative is great, the only thing is; I don’t want to write code in my spare time. I’m convinced that SL can be very exiting for a lot of ppl, and then I assume mainly programmers or hardcore chatters.

-EU is a bit of both worlds, It is better looking then SL, but not as great looking as WoW. The playersbase is mainly adult so that is a big +. And the gaming aspect is fun and there is a lot of variety. It is ‘free’ yes you can download it and start playing, but you will advance slow, very slow. It’s not remotely possible skilling up to a high lvl character in 5 years without depositing ingame. It is the hardest game to start with, no tutorials, you just got ‘dropped’ on the planet. So if you wanne be part of a great community and want to have nice spare time gaming activity this is great.

Can’t really say one this is better than the other, I enjoy EU the most and and if you never tried it download it and give it a chance for a week to get through the learning curve.

* “Unlike the Linden dollar that continues to decline in value”

The Linden dollar has continually increased in value since May last year…stabilizing when Supply Linden controversially began to control the Lindex by pouring in $Ls around last August/September.

* Entropia Universe claims that they have the best avatars in the business and it’s a fair claim. Much nicer looking than Second Life with more customization options than you’ll probably ever want to use.

I don’t understand this at all. Sure the default newbie avatars in SL are crap, but the avatar mesh is infinitely more customizable than its EU counterpart (so many appearance sliders in SL, so few in EU), photorealism can be attained if you’re a good skin designer (or just have plenty of money) and there’s little more mortifying than being dropped into a virtual world in a Guantanemo chic jumpsuit. Gee, thanks for that EU. Here is my avatar in SL and I doubt I’d get anything as realistic as that in EU.

* It depends on what you like. With a retention rate of 16% for Second Life amongst US users, it’s clear that many don’t enjoy what Second Life has to offer, despite the hype.

Unfortunately you didn’t compare this to EU’s retention rate. Consider it like this:

* EU has approx 500,000 registered users with a maximum of 600 online at any one time.
* When I joined SL (May 2006), it had 140,000 registered users with a maximum of 8,000 online at any one time.

One year later that’s more like 6.6 million users with 42,000 online at any one time. Compare the registration differences (unlike EU, SL allows alt accounts so it’s understandable why many aren’t online) and retention/concurrency rates in EU look pretty disturbing by comparison.

* One criticism I hear regularly about Second Life is that it’s aimless; it’s not a game so there is nothing really to do other than enjoy virtual sex and play Tringo.

…and indulge in combat (as in EU), roleplay in themed sims, create your own business, buy sell shares on the world stock exchange, open an art gallery, make machinima, perform for people if you have certain RL skills (if you’re a musician for example). The problem with restricted RP environments like EU is that you are very limited by comparison and the world is really only the creator’s oyster. In open ended worlds like Second Life, EU’s RP concept can actually be emulated to an extent by the content creation and scripting tools available.

For the record, I’m not a SL fanboy. For the past seven/eight months I’ve felt increasingly marginalized the decisions of Linden Lab and am desperately seeking an alternative. I thought I’d struck gold with EU but after a few hours on it this morning, I’m still struggling to come to terms with what must be the most unintuitive interface I’ve come across, and having tied myself to a mentor who isn’t really making things clear for me, and being unable to create an alt account, I feel utterly restricted and unable to start again without hurting somebody’s feelings.

Never had virtual sex or played Tringo in the whole of my SL btw. =p

EU is a game with some social network elements.

SL is a social network with some game elements.

Neither one is “better” then the other. The preference is completely dependent on the priority of an individuals interests.

I have been Entropia Universe (ex Project Entropia) player for ~4 years now, and still have days that i cant wait the moment i can login
Updates and new features in every version update has kept up my intrest towards Entropia.
And i allso like the fact that only under 10% of players are under 18 years of age. So Entropia Universe is world for adults. Maby reason for this is that you need to learn a lot and build up your skills… You can not learn all of Entropia in a day or week, you need to spend some time and be dedicated to success

-Zap

P.S. Here is direct link to full installation package: ftp://ftp.project-entropia.com.....8.11.1.exe so you can use some download application if you wish.