Comments on: Portrayl and Ficlet: Two Ways to Write that Novel you Always Wanted http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:27:56 -0800 hourly 1 By: Word Lily http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1376573 Word Lily Mon, 14 May 2007 17:04:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1376573 Hmm, these are interesting sites. My thoughts: http://wordlily.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/collaborative-fiction-writing/ Hmm, these are interesting sites. My thoughts: http://wordlily...iction-writing/

]]> By: Torsten http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1376315 Torsten Mon, 14 May 2007 13:41:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1376315 There is a German Literature Website, Litrum (www.litrum.de), with some new ideas about doing Literature in the Web as well. It's not available in english at the moment, but this will come soon. Writers can publish their works, discuss with readers and other writers and do some projects together, like to write a novel (one chapter each writer). There is a German Literature Website, Litrum (www.litrum.de), with some new ideas about doing Literature in the Web as well. It’s not available in english at the moment, but this will come soon. Writers can publish their works, discuss with readers and other writers and do some projects together, like to write a novel (one chapter each writer).

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1375220 TechCrunch Japanese Mon, 14 May 2007 00:53:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1375220 <strong>PortraylとFiclet―ずっと読みたかった小説を書く方法...</strong> オンラインでの共同執筆ということが行われるようになって久しいが、Wikiの出現によってさらに盛んになってきた。Lawrence Lessigが自著「Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace」（*1）の改版にwikiを利.... PortraylとFiclet―ずっと読みたかった小説を書く方法…

オンラインでの共同執筆ということが行われるようになって久しいが、Wikiの出現によってさらに盛んになってきた。Lawrence Lessigが自著「Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace」（*1）の改版にwikiを利….

]]> By: pau http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1375201 pau Mon, 14 May 2007 00:39:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1375201 With a group of Friends back in Spain we started a small project of collaborative book writing not based on wiki technology, but on digg technology. We picked meneame's code (digg spanish opensource equivalent) and modified it to fit our necessities. We founded a NGO, tied up the issue on copyrights with a user contract and creative commons licences, and wrote the first chapter of the book. We collected the criticism of our first 100 users and now we are still developing a second improved version. You may want to check it out: www.escribeme.org With a group of Friends back in Spain we started a small project of collaborative book writing not based on wiki technology, but on digg technology. We picked meneame’s code (digg spanish opensource equivalent) and modified it to fit our necessities.

We founded a NGO, tied up the issue on copyrights with a user contract and creative commons licences, and wrote the first chapter of the book. We collected the criticism of our first 100 users and now we are still developing a second improved version.

You may want to check it out: http://www.escribeme.org

]]> By: patricia http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1375042 patricia Sun, 13 May 2007 23:02:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1375042 @ Tejas, thank you!! That's really cool! @ Tejas, thank you!! That’s really cool!

]]> By: Tejas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1375013 Tejas Sun, 13 May 2007 22:39:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1375013 @Joey - I've added you my linkedin - I'll make sure to let you know when we have terms and conditions or a publishing situation like you mentioned. txs for blogging about us btw @patricia - Hi, the site allows for other Portrayl users to build on your work for non-commercial puposes only (using a Creative Commons license). However if you feel someone has stolen your idea on and is using it for nefarious purposes on the site you can alert us using the chapter alert mechanism and we will take it down. As for people stealing it on the web generally - technically it would not be legal, although as we know this stuff is really hard to crack down on. The ability to write private stories will definitely be something we do - it is one of the lone writing features I mentioned in my reply to Joey. Currently there's only a couple of us working on the site, but we hope to make a big development push to fill out those features very soon. @Nick G - txs for finalizing, a very promising first chapter, headed for some serious shenanigans in the valley @Joey – I’ve added you my linkedin – I’ll make sure to let you know when we have terms and conditions or a publishing situation like you mentioned. txs for blogging about us btw

@patricia – Hi, the site allows for other Portrayl users to build on your work for non-commercial puposes only (using a Creative Commons license). However if you feel someone has stolen your idea on and is using it for nefarious purposes on the site you can alert us using the chapter alert mechanism and we will take it down. As for people stealing it on the web generally – technically it would not be legal, although as we know this stuff is really hard to crack down on. The ability to write private stories will definitely be something we do – it is one of the lone writing features I mentioned in my reply to Joey. Currently there’s only a couple of us working on the site, but we hope to make a big development push to fill out those features very soon.

@Nick G – txs for finalizing, a very promising first chapter, headed for some serious shenanigans in the valley

]]> By: Alpha - Kollaboratives Erzählen http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374862 Alpha - Kollaboratives Erzählen Sun, 13 May 2007 20:56:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374862 [...] In this respect, you can think of ficlets as literary Legos. Links: - Ficlets.com - Portrayl.com - Portrayl and Ficlet: Two Ways to Write that Novel you Always Wanted Technorati Tag: collaborative storytellingKommentareBis jetzt keine Kommentare zu diesem [...] [...] In this respect, you can think of ficlets as literary Legos. Links: – Ficlets.com – Portrayl.com – Portrayl and Ficlet: Two Ways to Write that Novel you Always Wanted Technorati Tag: collaborative storytellingKommentareBis jetzt keine Kommentare zu diesem [...]

]]> By: patricia http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374636 patricia Sun, 13 May 2007 17:29:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374636 how do writers protect their work from others stealing it? not just those who collaborate on their stories, but also anybody who has access to view them? i think it's a cool idea. i'm going to start writing my first book later this year. it'd be great if there was a way to work via this, privately, with an editor (like if you have a book deal, etc.), where others wouldn't have access. that'd be cool. how do writers protect their work from others stealing it? not just those who collaborate on their stories, but also anybody who has access to view them?

i think it’s a cool idea. i’m going to start writing my first book later this year.

it’d be great if there was a way to work via this, privately, with an editor (like if you have a book deal, etc.), where others wouldn’t have access. that’d be cool.

]]> By: Joey Manley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374587 Joey Manley Sun, 13 May 2007 16:45:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374587 Ummm .... I'm "Joey Manley" on linkedin, that is. My apologies. I really do look forward to hearing from you guys when you've modified your TOS. Ummm …. I’m “Joey Manley” on linkedin, that is. My apologies. I really do look forward to hearing from you guys when you’ve modified your TOS.

]]> By: Joey Manley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374565 Joey Manley Sun, 13 May 2007 16:22:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374565 Tejas -- that sounds reasonable. When/if you guys get a chance to revisit the terms of service, please let me know (I'm joeymanley on linkedin, or you can add a comment on the TalkAboutComics.com blog post where I blogged this today). I run a similar site, for about 4000 webcartoonists, many of whom are also prose writers. They may be interested in your service, if using it became clearly consistent with their long-term publication goals. Tejas — that sounds reasonable. When/if you guys get a chance to revisit the terms of service, please let me know (I’m joeymanley on linkedin, or you can add a comment on the TalkAboutComics.com blog post where I blogged this today). I run a similar site, for about 4000 webcartoonists, many of whom are also prose writers. They may be interested in your service, if using it became clearly consistent with their long-term publication goals.

]]> By: Dexter Zaf http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374543 Dexter Zaf Sun, 13 May 2007 16:06:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374543 OMG! what I have done. Apologized guys for posting my comment to the wrong topic. it supposed to be for thr Portrayal topic. OMG! what I have done. Apologized guys for posting my comment to the wrong topic. it supposed to be for thr Portrayal topic.

]]> By: Dexter Zaf http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374540 Dexter Zaf Sun, 13 May 2007 16:03:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374540 Good service...another Wiki type encyclopedia site. Good service…another Wiki type encyclopedia site.

]]> By: Tom Colvin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374506 Tom Colvin Sun, 13 May 2007 15:37:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374506 Thanks for drawing my attention to these two sites -- and thanks also to the commentators who have shed additional light on these sites, I'm passing on word about these sites to writers who follow my own blog. Tom www.becoming-a-writer-seriously.com Thanks for drawing my attention to these two sites — and thanks also to the commentators who have shed additional light on these sites, I’m passing on word about these sites to writers who follow my own blog.

Tom
http://www.beco...r-seriously.com

]]> By: Tejas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374453 Tejas Sun, 13 May 2007 14:50:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374453 thanks all you guys/gals for the feedback @Joey - Thanks for the feedback about the terms. Neither of us are legal types, and we very much welcome any thoughts on the terms. We mainly thought out the terms when multiple people were writing, and the non-exclusive license would have made things easy to share revenues if anyone was ever interested in the stories. The hope is people will write their own full stories on the site too (we aim to improve features for lone writers on the site soon) - but you have a very good point, this could be a potential snag for lone authors. We have no intention of tying down people from publishing. We'll take a more detailed look at our terms thanks all you guys/gals for the feedback

@Joey – Thanks for the feedback about the terms. Neither of us are legal types, and we very much welcome any thoughts on the terms. We mainly thought out the terms when multiple people were writing, and the non-exclusive license would have made things easy to share revenues if anyone was ever interested in the stories.

The hope is people will write their own full stories on the site too (we aim to improve features for lone writers on the site soon) – but you have a very good point, this could be a potential snag for lone authors. We have no intention of tying down people from publishing. We’ll take a more detailed look at our terms

]]> By: Kate http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374418 Kate Sun, 13 May 2007 14:17:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374418 Hey guys, Well done on your work on portrayl! I am gonna try it out. Ficlet looks boring Hey guys,

Well done on your work on portrayl! I am gonna try it out.

Ficlet looks boring

]]> By: Matt http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374416 Matt Sun, 13 May 2007 14:15:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374416 Portrayal is really good. Love the simple interface and the stories are really funny. Just need a bit more content. Portrayal is really good. Love the simple interface and the stories are really funny.

Just need a bit more content.

]]> By: alex http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374411 alex Sun, 13 May 2007 14:13:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374411 You should also check out StorySquared.com, which enables users to create public or private stories and share them with their friends and family. You should also check out StorySquared.com, which enables users to create public or private stories and share them with their friends and family.

]]> By: Emre http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374389 Emre Sun, 13 May 2007 13:55:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374389 re. Portrayl: Art by committee. How dumb is that. How is the book supposed to have any cohesion? re. Portrayl: Art by committee. How dumb is that. How is the book supposed to have any cohesion?

]]> By: Joey Manley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374386 Joey Manley Sun, 13 May 2007 13:53:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374386 I thought about using Portrayl (having a community of readers and fellow authors commenting upon, following, and helping me edit my work sounds cool), but after reading the Terms of Service, I decided that the publisher of my first book (St. Martin's) would probably not be interested in my second book if I used this platform to write it. So I'll stick with WordPress! Specifically, the part that gave me pause is where, by signing up for the site, I give Portrayl this licence: to use, market, license, sublicense, distribute and sell the User Submissions or derivatives and adaptations thereof, as a single or as part of a collection, including Aspects of the Users Submissions, in any format and through any platform. It's the word "sell" that I find problematic. I'm not saying it's Evil. I'm saying that it doesn't work for me, and probably won't work for many other authors. If Portrayl were only asking for the right to "give" my work away, I'd be cool with that. Just FYI, a little unsolicited one-person market research for you Portrayl guys commenting here. I thought about using Portrayl (having a community of readers and fellow authors commenting upon, following, and helping me edit my work sounds cool), but after reading the Terms of Service, I decided that the publisher of my first book (St. Martin’s) would probably not be interested in my second book if I used this platform to write it. So I’ll stick with WordPress! Specifically, the part that gave me pause is where, by signing up for the site, I give Portrayl this licence:

to use, market, license, sublicense, distribute and sell the User Submissions or derivatives and adaptations thereof, as a single or as part of a collection, including Aspects of the Users Submissions, in any format and through any platform.

It’s the word “sell” that I find problematic. I’m not saying it’s Evil. I’m saying that it doesn’t work for me, and probably won’t work for many other authors. If Portrayl were only asking for the right to “give” my work away, I’d be cool with that.

Just FYI, a little unsolicited one-person market research for you Portrayl guys commenting here.

]]> By: Tejas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374237 Tejas Sun, 13 May 2007 11:37:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374237 @Steve - we've been considering a revenue sharing/publishing arrangement, but are holding back on it till after alpha, and developing a couple more features. We agree it would be really good. @Steve – we’ve been considering a revenue sharing/publishing arrangement, but are holding back on it till after alpha, and developing a couple more features. We agree it would be really good.

]]> By: hous http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374176 hous Sun, 13 May 2007 10:45:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374176 hmmm I have been doing this on my site for about 3 years now. I fail to see the "news" in this. What's your connection with Portrayl or Ficlet? hmmm I have been doing this on my site for about 3 years now. I fail to see the “news” in this.

What’s your connection with Portrayl or Ficlet?

]]> By: Tejas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374133 Tejas Sun, 13 May 2007 10:15:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374133 oops - I meant: it can be added to if it's finalized (no longer a draft) So Nick - could you finalize "A Night in the Valley" - because it really deserves to be followed up oops – I meant: it can be added to if it’s finalized (no longer a draft)

So Nick – could you finalize “A Night in the Valley” – because it really deserves to be followed up

]]> By: Tejas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1374128 Tejas Sun, 13 May 2007 10:11:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1374128 just a couple of things about the article concerning Portrayl - Only the author can edit their chapter. So a chapter only belongs to one author (preserving his/her creative vision). If someone else wants the story to go another way they start an alternate Also a chapter can't be added to if it's a draft (i.e. the person has not finished editing it), and it can be edited if it's finalized (no longer a draft). just a couple of things about the article concerning Portrayl – Only the author can edit their chapter. So a chapter only belongs to one author (preserving his/her creative vision). If someone else wants the story to go another way they start an alternate

Also a chapter can’t be added to if it’s a draft (i.e. the person has not finished editing it), and it can be edited if it’s finalized (no longer a draft).

]]> By: jhaus http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1373969 jhaus Sun, 13 May 2007 08:25:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1373969 Sounds like glorified Mad Libs... That said, Mad Libs were pretty cool. Sounds like glorified Mad Libs…

That said, Mad Libs were pretty cool.

]]> By: Elias http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/comment-page-1/#comment-1373895 Elias Sun, 13 May 2007 07:26:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/12/portrayl-and-ficlet-two-ways-to-write-that-novel-you-always-wanted/#comment-1373895 It's really cool knowing that these developments are used in artistic collaboration, not only technical stuff. I wonder if there are drawing wikis out there?? Maybe we can someday develop a wiki for music also. I'd really like to see this. It’s really cool knowing that these developments are used in artistic collaboration, not only technical stuff.
I wonder if there are drawing wikis out there?? Maybe we can someday develop a wiki for music also. I’d really like to see this.

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