Comments on: Sun Responds to AJAX, Silverlight with JavaFX

By: javafxnut

javafxnut — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:37:01 +0000

I’m a cs grad student. I think there is something in javafx. Flash looks cool, but got no grunt, silverlight got neither, java is plagued by ugly looks but it’s got the power…i’ll bet bottom dollar on brawn over beauty

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By: For real

For real — Mon, 28 May 2007 05:56:15 +0000

JavaFX has video reflection capability. BTW Applet & Web start download times are virtually non-existent with the latest jre.

By: Motorcycle Guy

Motorcycle Guy — Tue, 15 May 2007 01:53:51 +0000

I would rather go with flex than javafx. I just don’t see the point behind javafx really.

By: Didier Prophete

Didier Prophete — Thu, 10 May 2007 17:24:52 +0000

Vostok,

I am aware of RCP and other means of getting Java to run cleanly on a Windows desktop, but I think it’s “too little too late”.

Unfortunately, my post wasn’t a prophecy but more of an attempt to explain why Java is nowhere close to being a major playing on the desktop (at least on the Windows side. On the MacOS side, Apple did a great job in allowing you to run Java apps in a transparent way…)

I hope Sun learned his lesson and won’t fall into the same trap with JavaFX.

-Didier

By: Vostok

Vostok — Thu, 10 May 2007 07:51:38 +0000

Ok Didier, I’ll remove all my Desktop applications working with SWT in order to follow your prophecy . I’d recommend you to query google about RCP…

By: Didier Prophete

Didier Prophete — Wed, 09 May 2007 23:03:25 +0000

Well, let’s all take a step back and realize why Java never delivered on the desktop. Apart from initial issues with AWT and then Swing, the biggest hurdle in my mind was *Microsoft* itself.

They cleverly released their ‘own’ version of Java which was almost but not quite 100% compatible with the official Sun Java. With this, they achieve a few things:
- confuse the non technical user (2 versions of Java ? Which one is which ?)
- make it painful to download any Java app (now you might have the MS java VM, but you still need to download the Sun VM)
- kill ‘run once, run everywhere’: just keep it slightly incompatible and start added a few Microsoft Foundation Classes, and you will make sure it will only work on windows.

Here is a good article describing some of the legal battles between Sun and MS regarding Java:
http://www.java...mssuncourt.html

Regarding of from which side you look at it, you might think this is disgusting or clever business practices. You decide, but at the end MS got what it wanted: Java is nowhere on the desktop today…

Didier

By: migatopio

migatopio — Wed, 09 May 2007 09:12:20 +0000

¿ JavaFX or Flex ?
Developers need good software for making excelent websites, we need a main software and we don’t need [b]new[/b] software every two months.

By: VS

VS — Wed, 09 May 2007 05:22:10 +0000

I’d like to see JavaFX have a video UI element, then I would give it a chance to survive.

By: John

John — Wed, 09 May 2007 02:16:49 +0000

the whole platform independent thing about java is bull. Nothing is really platform independent unless the engine is installed on the platform.

The question is which gives better performance, better functionality, better UI capabilities etc. Flex, and Silverlight are proving to be impressive.

By: bdb

bdb — Tue, 08 May 2007 23:30:04 +0000

thanks mark, i didn’t realize my affection for tubes was java-related.

By: Peter2

Peter2 — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:25:06 +0000

Maybe it’s easyer to develop flash apps, but how many CPUs are there with flash opcode support? Nearly every mobile with java support has CPU witch can accelerate java inside (ARM) !

By: mark

mark — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:17:23 +0000

java is only suitable for republicans and drug addicts

i don’t see how a new flavour is going to help anyone

By: Alex Flood

Alex Flood — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:13:23 +0000

Java is great, but I prefer .NET for everything except web page embedding. .NET applications run much faster, the .NET Framework is much more expansive than the Java APIs, and Mono (as well as Corel’s porting to FreeBSD) means it matches the platform-independence also.

By: Peter

Peter — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:11:10 +0000

If JavaFX is to catch on, it’ll definitely have a lot of ground to cover. It’s somewhat late to get into the “rich internet applications” area, especially seeing what’s being done by Eclipse’s RAP, among others.

However, it would be wrong to decry Java as a worn-out trend. Far from that, it has matured into quite a successful language. Besides being taught as part of most CS/CE programs, it’s used extensively for backend development.

By: Miguel

Miguel — Tue, 08 May 2007 21:54:18 +0000

I tried the samples included with the JavaFX, and they all take about 128 megs of ram on average to startup.

Am not sure that Applet are going to have any kind of comeback with this sort of size. Well, they might come back, just to have the plugin disabled completely on the browser to prevent every web site from bringing your machine to a halt.

By: Nocturnal

Nocturnal — Tue, 08 May 2007 21:43:02 +0000

I guess competition is great?

Matthew, (the one who just graduated from grad school), would you be able to contact me? I’d love to chat with you about grad school and college in general. I know this isn’t the right place but there really is no other way to figure out how to contact you. You can reach me at nocturnal [at] supz [dot] net.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Tue, 08 May 2007 21:16:25 +0000

Go Java!

By: janko

janko — Tue, 08 May 2007 20:58:44 +0000

JavaFx Script is not Java Script… it was “invented” by one man under the name F3 for quite a while… a declarative and functional language with some interesting structuring of gui and 2d / SVG style stuff… you also have access to all the java backend power

I find it particurally interesting that someone as big as Sun made such a big bet on something very very non-typical if you compare it to languages as java and c#…

By: JavaGuy

JavaGuy — Tue, 08 May 2007 20:55:56 +0000

I think people underestimate the potential of applets. I think applets may have a revival of sorts. Reason being is:
1) its a lot faster now, also jre is also only about a 10 meg download.

2)you can code multi threaded apps on the client side. As fas as I know, no
other client side RIA framework can take advantage of multicore cpu’s.

3) Hardware accelerated 3d through jogl. No other client side tech can do this.

I think the problem is people haven’t taken advantage of these capabilities, but someone will soon.

By: me

me — Tue, 08 May 2007 20:54:05 +0000

What about the new Flex platform for Flash?

By: Björn Wilmsmann

Björn Wilmsmann — Tue, 08 May 2007 20:11:51 +0000

@Zaid:

Java is far from being used merely as a backend for intranet development. Nowadays, you will most certainly find it not only being used for delivering web pages (JSP) or any other server side stuff that requires high performance (like scientific applications, web crawling, data mining) but in client applications (Eclipse, applications based on the Rich Client Platform, just to name a few), too.

Besides, millions of people using PHP does not make it a good programming language / environment either. PHP is quite suitable for deploying simple guestbooks or even discussion forum software on your private web space, but for more complex, professional applications there are far more efficient and elegant environments to choose from (Java being only one, but currently the most dominant one).

The reason why PHP was such a success story isn’t really that PHP is such a good programming language, but rather that at the time when PHP became more widespread, the only alternative was to use Perl, which for a beginner not knowing anything about programming, must have been quite frightening.

PHP was quite successful in meeting the needs of the average web space user dabbling in web site programming and therefore finally got adopted by every consumer hoster.

By: Zaid

Zaid — Tue, 08 May 2007 19:19:55 +0000

#3
just because language x is taught in your uni class doesn’t make it a hot technology:) Java as a client-side thing never caught on. The packages are just too bulk and the applets too awkward in usability.

I do hear that java has decent tracton on the backend for intranet development etc.–but that’s a very small niche compared to the widespread PHP use.