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	<title>Comments on: Pandora To Shut Out Non-U.S. Users Thursday Evening</title>
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		<title>By: Listen to Pandora Internationally with Global Pandora</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-2302933</link>
		<dc:creator>Listen to Pandora Internationally with Global Pandora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 07:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we covered last May, Pandora was forced to block international users from its streaming music service because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Accessing Hulu, Pandora And Other Sites From Outside Of the United States</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-2302468</link>
		<dc:creator>Accessing Hulu, Pandora And Other Sites From Outside Of the United States</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it work? From Western Australia I&#8217;m currently listening to Pandora for the first time since May (still a great service.) Earlier this weekend I caught up with a new Simpsons episode, complete [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LINKS: Nukes on the loose? FISA not good enough? Bullet-belts are now illegal? &#171; Clint&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-2184699</link>
		<dc:creator>LINKS: Nukes on the loose? FISA not good enough? Bullet-belts are now illegal? &#171; Clint&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] causes for concern: Bush wants even more spying. Al Queda could have 3 suitcase nukes. RIAA kills Pandora for non-U.S. users. And of course, Today&#8217;s Virginia Tech Massacre backlash: student arrested for wearing bullet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] causes for concern: Bush wants even more spying. Al Queda could have 3 suitcase nukes. RIAA kills Pandora for non-U.S. users. And of course, Today&#8217;s Virginia Tech Massacre backlash: student arrested for wearing bullet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fosseng.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pandora lukker porten i dag</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1979986</link>
		<dc:creator>fosseng.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pandora lukker porten i dag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de arbeider for å lansere tjenesten utenfor USA også, men foreløpig ser det ut som at det kun er Canada og Storbritannia som er på gang. Det store problemet gjelder selvsagt rettighetsspørsmål og -avklaringer i [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de arbeider for å lansere tjenesten utenfor USA også, men foreløpig ser det ut som at det kun er Canada og Storbritannia som er på gang. Det store problemet gjelder selvsagt rettighetsspørsmål og -avklaringer i [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Memo To UK: No Pandora For You teasered @ TechTalkBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1905345</link>
		<dc:creator>Memo To UK: No Pandora For You teasered @ TechTalkBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first started blocking users outside the United States in May 2007 due to licensing issues, but had continued streaming into the UK under the belief that they would [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cool new online music service - Deezer.com &#171; b.art and life</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1647528</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool new online music service - Deezer.com &#171; b.art and life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] industry equivalent of the feds) stepped in and shut off their main competitor Pandora to the wider world. After two years on last.fm, the most telling indicator of how integral it has become to my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] industry equivalent of the feds) stepped in and shut off their main competitor Pandora to the wider world. After two years on last.fm, the most telling indicator of how integral it has become to my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Living Outside the United States? No Pandora For You! &#124; AVINASH 2.0 - Avinash &#124; Design &#38; Web 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1424820</link>
		<dc:creator>Living Outside the United States? No Pandora For You! &#124; AVINASH 2.0 - Avinash &#124; Design &#38; Web 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Arrington wrote over at TechCrunch, international access to Pandora Internet Radio has been blocked. Though [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pandora - only available to the US. Or not. - blog - James Cridland</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1399005</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandora - only available to the US. Or not. - blog - James Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 19:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch reported: If you live outside of the U.S. and enjoy listening to customized radio stations on Pandora, brace yourself for some bad news. The site will be shutting you out starting Thursday evening. Registered users who access the service from outside the U.S. received a warning email yesterday letting them know that this will be happening. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Techcrunch reported: If you live outside of the U.S. and enjoy listening to customized radio stations on Pandora, brace yourself for some bad news. The site will be shutting you out starting Thursday evening. Registered users who access the service from outside the U.S. received a warning email yesterday letting them know that this will be happening. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mobile ajax &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pandora kommt aufs Handy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1393612</link>
		<dc:creator>mobile ajax &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pandora kommt aufs Handy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 10:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wurde vor einigen Wochen die kompletten IP Ranges von Europa f&#252;r Pandora gesperrt (wegen Copyright Bestimmungen in den USA), sodass der Dienst f&#252;r uns nicht nutzbar ist - nur umst&#228;ndlich &#252;ber [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wurde vor einigen Wochen die kompletten IP Ranges von Europa f&#252;r Pandora gesperrt (wegen Copyright Bestimmungen in den USA), sodass der Dienst f&#252;r uns nicht nutzbar ist - nur umst&#228;ndlich &#252;ber [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pandora Goes Mobile, and Sonos, and More</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1390186</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandora Goes Mobile, and Sonos, and More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 02:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Music streaming service Pandora has had its ups and downs over the last two years since launching. People love to listen to their personalized radio stations that get more and more tailored as you tell it what you like and don&#8217;t like. But recent changes to the royalty rates they must pay the RIAA for playing music over the Internet will be going up drastically in the coming years. And licensing complications have led them to block out all non-U.S. listeners. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Music streaming service Pandora has had its ups and downs over the last two years since launching. People love to listen to their personalized radio stations that get more and more tailored as you tell it what you like and don&#8217;t like. But recent changes to the royalty rates they must pay the RIAA for playing music over the Internet will be going up drastically in the coming years. And licensing complications have led them to block out all non-U.S. listeners. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1376120</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 11:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a hard blow for us music lovers. Pandora is such a great source of music . I have made so many new musical discoveries over the time I had the luxury of enjoying Pandora. So, for me it is truly a sad event ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hard blow for us music lovers. Pandora is such a great source of music . I have made so many new musical discoveries over the time I had the luxury of enjoying Pandora. So, for me it is truly a sad event &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Perfect Balance &#187; Sad Day for Pandora Fans in Canada</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1370977</link>
		<dc:creator>The Perfect Balance &#187; Sad Day for Pandora Fans in Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 13:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well I found out today that I will not have the privilege to listen to Pandora after this evening. The site will be shutting down starting Thursday evening. Registered users who have access to the service from outside the U.S. were supposed to receive a warning email yesterday letting them know that this will be happening. I never did get one. So maybe I will be lucky and still have access. I doubt it. See more on the entire episode over at TechCrunch. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well I found out today that I will not have the privilege to listen to Pandora after this evening. The site will be shutting down starting Thursday evening. Registered users who have access to the service from outside the U.S. were supposed to receive a warning email yesterday letting them know that this will be happening. I never did get one. So maybe I will be lucky and still have access. I doubt it. See more on the entire episode over at TechCrunch. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1369780</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 10:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really sucks. We loved Pandora at the office! Hope you guys can work something out.</description>
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		<title>By: Crimson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1367604</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 14:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just is plain super sewage suck.

I like americans, got a few good friends who are american. But, here in the Netherlands we have a saying that we like to prevent "American situations" meaning that we want to prevent situatations where people think only about the short term. Or stop thinking at all.

I liked Pandora, a lot. I bought 3 albums because of Pandora. Now those where Indy albums, so the Big Evil Record Labels TM maybe won't like that, but I also buy music from the BERL TM. I visit concerts and the like. Now, with Pandora gone, I lost another legal avenue to enjoy music. Guess who is just gone down another few notches in my book.

Oh, and by the way, apology accepted. She is not that bad, I mean have you listenend to some of the stuff us Dutchies consider good taste?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just is plain super sewage suck.</p>
<p>I like americans, got a few good friends who are american. But, here in the Netherlands we have a saying that we like to prevent &#8220;American situations&#8221; meaning that we want to prevent situatations where people think only about the short term. Or stop thinking at all.</p>
<p>I liked Pandora, a lot. I bought 3 albums because of Pandora. Now those where Indy albums, so the Big Evil Record Labels TM maybe won&#8217;t like that, but I also buy music from the BERL TM. I visit concerts and the like. Now, with Pandora gone, I lost another legal avenue to enjoy music. Guess who is just gone down another few notches in my book.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, apology accepted. She is not that bad, I mean have you listenend to some of the stuff us Dutchies consider good taste?</p>
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		<title>By: RustyBadger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1364207</link>
		<dc:creator>RustyBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far it's still working here in my part of Canada (West Coast), thank the Interweb Gods!

Jorge (comment 38), you are daft, and your comments show an incredible level of arrogance. I know it's not typical of Americans, but it doesn't help your reputation any! 

(1) Pandora, while being created BY an American, wasn't created FOR Americans only - and I think you're insulting the fine folks behind Pandora's genius by saying so, not to mention those of us "foreign devils" who enjoy listening to it. Or are you under some delusion that all the music streamed by Pandora is from American artists? Sure, their website says you have to be in the US to listen to the service, but I really don't think they intended it to be for Americans only, or they wouldn't be working on deals with other rights-holders.

(2) Companies can (and do) up and move to another country every day. Some move TO the States, some move AWAY. A business like Pandora can relocate to a less draconian climate in a (virtual) heartbeat, since they are server-based. FedEx some hard drives to the UK or Canada (or Sweden, maybe?) and you can be streaming from there in a few days. Not ideal, I know. But it's not like trying to relocate a corporation like General Motors. 

(3) There's that wonderful arrogance that has made America the international leader it is today. The United States has achieved cultural dominance not by being better, but by being pushier. American artists have produced no more and no less great works than any other nationality has (per capita, of course). America's only strength lies in its marketing abilities; Americans more than almost anyone else turn their artists into heroes, generating huge amounts of publicity and attention around them (the "American Idol" effect). It has little to do with our governments, or how much our countries "suck". In fact, most countries have more sensible IP laws than the US does (all hail the DMCA!), which means better compensation for artists, better distribution channels for consumers, and less government meddling. Our politicians don't limit our artistic practises as much as yours - for proof of that one only need look at the thuglike tactics of your Congress-approved goons in the RIAA and MPAA. Hey, but we're not getting our asses sued off us for downloading music here in Canada, ok?

(4) I am sorry about Céline Dion. It's not my fault, but I am going to apologise anyhow, since that is the Canadian Way.</description>
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<p>Jorge (comment 38), you are daft, and your comments show an incredible level of arrogance. I know it&#8217;s not typical of Americans, but it doesn&#8217;t help your reputation any! </p>
<p>(1) Pandora, while being created BY an American, wasn&#8217;t created FOR Americans only - and I think you&#8217;re insulting the fine folks behind Pandora&#8217;s genius by saying so, not to mention those of us &#8220;foreign devils&#8221; who enjoy listening to it. Or are you under some delusion that all the music streamed by Pandora is from American artists? Sure, their website says you have to be in the US to listen to the service, but I really don&#8217;t think they intended it to be for Americans only, or they wouldn&#8217;t be working on deals with other rights-holders.</p>
<p>(2) Companies can (and do) up and move to another country every day. Some move TO the States, some move AWAY. A business like Pandora can relocate to a less draconian climate in a (virtual) heartbeat, since they are server-based. FedEx some hard drives to the UK or Canada (or Sweden, maybe?) and you can be streaming from there in a few days. Not ideal, I know. But it&#8217;s not like trying to relocate a corporation like General Motors. </p>
<p>(3) There&#8217;s that wonderful arrogance that has made America the international leader it is today. The United States has achieved cultural dominance not by being better, but by being pushier. American artists have produced no more and no less great works than any other nationality has (per capita, of course). America&#8217;s only strength lies in its marketing abilities; Americans more than almost anyone else turn their artists into heroes, generating huge amounts of publicity and attention around them (the &#8220;American Idol&#8221; effect). It has little to do with our governments, or how much our countries &#8220;suck&#8221;. In fact, most countries have more sensible IP laws than the US does (all hail the DMCA!), which means better compensation for artists, better distribution channels for consumers, and less government meddling. Our politicians don&#8217;t limit our artistic practises as much as yours - for proof of that one only need look at the thuglike tactics of your Congress-approved goons in the RIAA and MPAA. Hey, but we&#8217;re not getting our asses sued off us for downloading music here in Canada, ok?</p>
<p>(4) I am sorry about Céline Dion. It&#8217;s not my fault, but I am going to apologise anyhow, since that is the Canadian Way.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1362978</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Dalka:

Yes that's right.  US citizen traveling overseas are SOL.  Also, the numerous US military personnel and government employees and contractors are affected by this as well, even though they are subject to US laws.  

I listened to Pandora every day at work on a US military installation.  Now I am no longer able to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Dalka:</p>
<p>Yes that&#8217;s right.  US citizen traveling overseas are SOL.  Also, the numerous US military personnel and government employees and contractors are affected by this as well, even though they are subject to US laws.  </p>
<p>I listened to Pandora every day at work on a US military installation.  Now I am no longer able to.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathryn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1362286</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 12:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still seems to be working, even here in London 90210...</description>
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		<title>By: Speed</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1362043</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 09:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect websites such as www.last.fm and www.thefilter.com to be doing well out of this, but how long before the RIAA gets them too? 

They want us all listening to vinyl don't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect websites such as <a href="http://www.last.fm" rel="nofollow">http://www.last.fm</a> and <a href="http://www.thefilter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefilter.com</a> to be doing well out of this, but how long before the RIAA gets them too? </p>
<p>They want us all listening to vinyl don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1361930</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 08:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will the RIAA be sued for racketeering???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the RIAA be sued for racketeering???</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1361548</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 04:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd try www.personalvpn.com as it provides a U.S. IP address as well as encrypts all your data (not just browser-based) for 39.99 USD a year. Proxies can be slow and limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d try <a href="http://www.personalvpn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.personalvpn.com</a> as it provides a U.S. IP address as well as encrypts all your data (not just browser-based) for 39.99 USD a year. Proxies can be slow and limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Conrad</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1361087</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62; There is something very fishy going on at soundexchange then.

All I know is that the position of Soundexchange and IFPI is crystal clear on all of this in 2007. You can't pay SoundExchange for listeners outside of the US and expect them to distribute royalties to the correct rights holders abroad. We've of course discussed all of this at length with both organizations. 

Tom
CTO @ Pandora</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; There is something very fishy going on at soundexchange then.</p>
<p>All I know is that the position of Soundexchange and IFPI is crystal clear on all of this in 2007. You can&#8217;t pay SoundExchange for listeners outside of the US and expect them to distribute royalties to the correct rights holders abroad. We&#8217;ve of course discussed all of this at length with both organizations. </p>
<p>Tom<br />
CTO @ Pandora</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1360928</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 22:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

There is something very fishy going on at soundexchange then.  It clearly states in that release that they signED the agreement, it is all past tense, a done deal.

What is more I bet you have been forwarding SoundExchange royalties for all music streamed - even when the listener is in other countries - what have they actually been doing with those funds?

I read with interest the other day that Soundexchange can't find thousands of artists... are they now saying they can't find countries as well?
http://digg.com/music/SoundExchange_can_t_find_9_000_artists_owed_money_come_and_get_it

Come off it - all they need to do is include a column in their reports for the country that the listener was based in and it's all done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>There is something very fishy going on at soundexchange then.  It clearly states in that release that they signED the agreement, it is all past tense, a done deal.</p>
<p>What is more I bet you have been forwarding SoundExchange royalties for all music streamed - even when the listener is in other countries - what have they actually been doing with those funds?</p>
<p>I read with interest the other day that Soundexchange can&#8217;t find thousands of artists&#8230; are they now saying they can&#8217;t find countries as well?<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/music/SoundExchange_can_t_find_9_000_artists_owed_money_come_and_get_it" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/music/SoundExc.....and_get_it</a></p>
<p>Come off it - all they need to do is include a column in their reports for the country that the listener was based in and it&#8217;s all done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul2</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1360908</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of rights bodies have, I believe, taken the view that whilst they didn't have a blanket licence on offer in their country, they couldn't very well tell people to stop (or "get a licence").  As these rights bodies start to make licences available they now feel in a position to tell international streaming companies to get the licence.  In the UK PPL have only just got the mandate from the labels to offer an "interactive" blanket licence - which is why Pandora has been doing label by label deals.
The other issue is that sub-licencing of recordings mean that one company doesn't technically have the rights to a particular recording all over the world! It can't offer the rights worldwide even if it wanted to, in some cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of rights bodies have, I believe, taken the view that whilst they didn&#8217;t have a blanket licence on offer in their country, they couldn&#8217;t very well tell people to stop (or &#8220;get a licence&#8221;).  As these rights bodies start to make licences available they now feel in a position to tell international streaming companies to get the licence.  In the UK PPL have only just got the mandate from the labels to offer an &#8220;interactive&#8221; blanket licence - which is why Pandora has been doing label by label deals.<br />
The other issue is that sub-licencing of recordings mean that one company doesn&#8217;t technically have the rights to a particular recording all over the world! It can&#8217;t offer the rights worldwide even if it wanted to, in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Conrad</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1360846</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

As much as we would love a system like the one that's described in the SoundExchange Oct 2004 press release you site, the system was never implemented. If such a "one stop" license existed, we'd certainly participate.

Tom 
CTO @ Pandora</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>As much as we would love a system like the one that&#8217;s described in the SoundExchange Oct 2004 press release you site, the system was never implemented. If such a &#8220;one stop&#8221; license existed, we&#8217;d certainly participate.</p>
<p>Tom<br />
CTO @ Pandora</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/02/pandora-to-shut-out-non-us-users-thursday-evening/#comment-1360821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom,

I think you are mistaken, SoundExchange has reciprocal Webcasting Agreements with all members of IFPI who represents the recording industry worldwide with some 1400 members in over 70 countries and affiliated industry associations in 48 countries.

Please check out this press release from Soundexchange:
http://www.soundexchange.com/news/documents/SX_IFPI_Int_Webcasting_Agreement_Press_Release.pdf

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, October 14, 2004
Washington, D.C. SoundExchange signed the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry’s (IFPI) international webcasting agreement today in Warsaw, Poland, at the annual IFPI Performance Rights Committee meeting. This agreement will allow DMCA-compliant webcasters and simulcasters to stream their music based on a single “one-stop” license. These digital music services will now have a much more simplified process that saves them the labor of having to secure licenses from many different national licensing organizations.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tom,</p>
<p>I think you are mistaken, SoundExchange has reciprocal Webcasting Agreements with all members of IFPI who represents the recording industry worldwide with some 1400 members in over 70 countries and affiliated industry associations in 48 countries.</p>
<p>Please check out this press release from Soundexchange:<br />
<a href="http://www.soundexchange.com/news/documents/SX_IFPI_Int_Webcasting_Agreement_Press_Release.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundexchange.com/n.....elease.pdf</a></p>
<p>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
Thursday, October 14, 2004<br />
Washington, D.C. SoundExchange signed the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry’s (IFPI) international webcasting agreement today in Warsaw, Poland, at the annual IFPI Performance Rights Committee meeting. This agreement will allow DMCA-compliant webcasters and simulcasters to stream their music based on a single “one-stop” license. These digital music services will now have a much more simplified process that saves them the labor of having to secure licenses from many different national licensing organizations.</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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