March 26, 2007

GrandCentral A Little Too “Beta” For Some

Michael Arrington

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New telephone management startup GrandCentral is off to a solid start. They showed a preview of the service at the DEMO conference last year, and we gave GrandCentral a solid review, as did Rafe Needleman and others.

The idea is simple, and compelling for many people with lots of phone numbers. GrandCentral will issue you a new local phone number for free. You then connect your existing phone numbers to the GrandCentral number in your account, and give the new number out to all of your contacts. When someone calls your GrandCentral phone number, rules that you set determine what happens to the call. If it’s someone you’ve whitelisted, they’ll go right through to you. If not, they record their name and you listen to it before deciding whether to take the call or send it to voicemail. Also, GrandCentral will call all of your old phones simultaneously, so you can choose which one to pick up.

GrandCentral came out of private beta a couple of weeks ago and got great mainstream press coverage. David Pogue at the New York Times may have doubled the valuation of their next venture capital round when he he wrote “It’s a rather brilliant melding of cellphone and the Internet.” In a private message to Tim O’Reilly, Pogue said “I’m using, of course, GrandCentral, which was the topic of my column today. It’s pretty awesome–I’d think you might be a prime candidate, too!” O’Reilly then went on to say “Web 2.0 Address Book May Have Arrived” in describing the service.

That NYT article convinced a lot of people to try it out. Over the last week, I’ve had ten or so contacts email me with their new GrandCentral number, and asked me to use that going forward. But there’s a real cost to getting everyone to change their phone numbers for you. And there are other costs, such as re-printing business cards, etc., that have to be considered as well. So while I continue to test the service, I haven’t started asking contacts to use it.

GrandCentral May Have Some Kinks To Work Out

I was surprised when two of the people who sent out their new GrandCentral number to me and other contacts sent a follow up email a few days later, asking everyone to ignore the phone number and go back to the previous normal cell or other phone. I followed up with both of them to ask why they were abandoning the service.

One person, who uses his desk and cell phone “constantly” to do business, said that it only worked properly about half the time. When you whitelist phone numbers, they are supposed to ring right through without having to record their name or wait. Even with their caller ID turned off, callers on his white list said they were still being put in the queue. Important clients, who were supposed to bypass the review, were getting pissed off. “I just couldn’t afford the risk” he said. “When I kept hearing the recorded name of my most important client and realize he’s waiting on hold while I stumble for the “1″ button to put him through, I knew I couldn’t keep using it.” he also said that clients were complaining that calls weren’t picked up at all and they were being put through to voicemail. “These guys don’t do voicemail” he said. “They simply call my competitor.”

The other contact also complained that the forwarding and review services just didn’t work all the time and he was missing important calls. He also said that the call transfer service, where you hit “*” and the call is transferred from your desk phone to your cell phone seemlessly while you run from your office to your car, didn’t really work at all. He also said that when he picked up one phone, say his cell, his desk phone often kept ringing and had to be picked up and then hung up again for it to stop.

Both of these guys rely heavily on their phones and can’t miss calls. They may not be appropriate users of GrandCentral during the open beta period. Both said they’d change back to the service if they knew it would work properly.

In theory, GrandCentral is awesome. But this is one startup where the “beta” tag needs to be taken seriously.

If you have your own positive or negative experiences with GrandCentral, please share them.

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  1. Direct Textbooks

    Google totally ruined the meaning of ‘Beta’.

    It’s not supposed to be Beta for years. GrandCentral will be good it sounds like though.

  2. Kewtr

    Just use the crank call tool in the last post to repeatedly call the GrandCentral number, you’re bound to get in within 9 tries. It’s like your own little mashup.

  3. olliesoldest

    why did it take so long for this to come out? i’d use it in a heartbeat if i could use my current mobile number as my GrandCentral number.

  4. Andrew

    I’ve read tons of reviews and tested the GrandCentral system out extensively and I’m amazed that people are OK with the call quality. Om Malik wrote about how people today are willing to sacrifice call quality for features and lower cost and he wasn’t implying that it was a good thing! Try having somebody call your GrandCentral number from a cellphone and then answer the call from a cellphone. It’s like talking on a walkie talkie from the 70’s! You might as well say OVER after each statement! A cellphone to cellphone connection can be bad enough sometimes, let along sticking VOIP in between! Anybody who has reviewed GrandCentral has most likely tested it with a cellphone and they HAVE to have noticed this problem. The delay/call quality is too annoying to sacrifice for features. Does anybody else notice it?

  5. visible.mobi

    I very much like their service…

  6. Craig Walker

    Thanks for checking out GrandCentral and writing about it. The response from the NY Times article was overwhelming, in a good way. The service has been solid, but for one hardware glitch. We’re working 24/7 to get the service as close to 5 nines as possible and we’re still growing and adding capacity, testing new partners, etc., to get there. Hence the beta tag and also why we aren’t charging people for the service. Its all free. Use all the features as much as you want. All we ask is that you give us your feedback and we’ll work to make it better. We’d rather earn our stripes in public and get the system reliable as quickly as possible than do a small closed beta and then fail when real users show up. We’ve been in beta since late September and plan to get out of it soon. We’d be happy to hear from all of you with suggestions, comments, etc., just email us at betafeedback at grandcentral dot com. And stay tuned for more unique features in the meantime. - Craig Walker, CEO, GrandCentral

    PS: Andrew, shoot me an email at the feedback email above…I’ll give you a call from my cell to debug.

  7. routerguy

    I’ve been a grandstream beta tester for quite some time now. I’ve given the grandstream number to 2 clients, who are patient, and willing to try it with me. They can contact me directly by cell at any time if the service doesn’t work properly, and in the 2 plus months with 2 or 3 calls on an average day, I have yet to have any type of problem, glitch, or poor voice quality. The only suggestion I made was to be able to enter a range of phone numbers to the whitelist, as my typical customer will pull from a pool of outgoing lines in a hunt group. Not affiliated, blah blah, just impressed with what has been for me personally, a flawless beta. Just my opnion, your mileage may vary, etc. etc.

  8. Peter

    I’ve been using grand central since mid last year. I use it in different ways. Instead of giving it to different clients, I put my grand central number on my resume when I was looking for a job. A lot of hiring manager ignores a resume without a local area code on their resume. It has worked well for me.
    I did experience the problem mentioned above in which calls are going to voice mail directly. In my case, it wasn’t as critical and I simply call the people back as they tend to leave a voice message.

  9. Keith

    I’ve been using grandcentral for 4 months now and i don’t think i could do without it. I initially gave the number to just a few people, but then i hated when people call me direct and i could not listen in (one of the best features in my mind) so i ended up giving it to everyone.
    i’ve had a few call quality issues but always when taking the call from my Vonage line, never from my cell or landline, so not sure who to blame on this.
    Michael, you should tell your friend to customize his vmails. This is in my mind the best feature from grandcentral. I’m in sales and i’m ALWAYS on the phone. i’m always missing calls and fearful that people don’t leave voicemails. They have this amazing feature that lets you record a personal greeting for individual callers. I spent an hour or so recording personal greetings for my top-50 clients and they love it! Even my wife now leaves me messages instead of calling back until i pick up :-)
    And all of that for free? I guess i’m ready to cut them some slack for the few missed calls i’ve had.

  10. Marc

    A problem I’ve run-up against is the ’system status’ of the number you are forwarding your GC # to. For example, you have your GC # forwarded to your VOIP-based #, your cell #, and your landline #. If your VOIP # or cell provider’s system is ‘down’ for some reason, that ‘down’ line will prematurely ‘grab’ the GC-forwarded call and greet the caller with
    “the cellular caller is not available,” a fast busy signal, or “all circuits are busy” - they won’t be offered/able to leave a message on the GC-provided voicemail. This has happened to me in both cell and VOIP cases. I’m not sure how this can be dealt with really, other than to not have your GC calls forwarded to ‘possibly unreliable’ numbers, I guess. Make sure to turn-off all Voicemail except Grandcentral’s, otherwise it could get ugly.
    Also, watch-out if forwarding to a SkypeIN number. With a SkypeIN number, you get Skype Voicemail for free…it’s not needed, so we turn it off - or at least we try to! Unless you have the given Skype(IN) Account logged in and running, Skype does not acknowledge your Voicemail (on/off) setting preference. What that means is that even if you have deactivated your Skype Voicemail (if your Skype account IS NOT ‘online’) any GrandCentral calls forwarded to your SkypeIN number will be sent to Skype Voicemail - almost immediately. So much for trying to answer that call via your cell or having the call go to GrandCentral voicemail. Silly Skype!

  11. Allen Stern

    I like Craig and his team a lot. They are very focused and Craig has been out there helping everyone. All of the forum posts on Fatwallet he has responded to, helped, etc. The “one number” idea is going to be a big one as we all get more and more numbers, emails, ims, etc.

    Here is an interview from late last year I did with craig:
    http://www.centernetworks.com/.....andcentral

  12. quux

    The one thing that’s keeping me from using GrandCentral is the inability to customize the number of rings before it goes to voicemail. The GC team has decided on about 15 seconds as a one size fits all number, and it’s simply not adequate for me.

    I wasn’t aware of the problem Marc brings up, but that too is very important.

    I love the idea of GC (and would pay for it!), but I *need* these things fixed before I can commit. Many of us early adopter types have already churned our phone numbers a bit much with cellphones and VOIP plans - before we pick the ‘one number to rule them all’ we need to know it’s not another lemon!

  13. Richard

    Nota Bene:

    Look at the Terms of Service (TOS) before subscribing and relying on GrandCentral. You have no redress or recourse if they shut you off or go out of business. They are not regulated by the FCC so they own the “phone number” not you.

    This service has the potential for making your life better or much worse.

  14. -gary

    All of these problems are the same reasons I quit using the Gizmo service that has most, if not all, of the same features.

  15. Richardg

    I had similar problems: whitelisting not working, the service not responding to pressed buttons at the prompts (i.e. “press 1 to let so-and-so through”). VERY glad I tested it with a friend before sending out a big wholesale email.

    Also IMHO it takes too long to get to the call when you include an incoming person’s: dial time, wait for me to answer, wait for me to hear slow spoken prompt, press 1, connect the call. I had people hanging up frequently.

  16. Drama 3.0

    Question: What happens when you call out from a Grand-centralized phone — does the caller id on the recipient’s line show the Grand Central number or the original phone number?

    If the answer the latter, I question whether this is a shortcoming of the service.

  17. Sean Mokai

    half of these features work well with virtual pbx systems at $8/month, and they work.
    i suppose if you are a student and can deal with spotty phone service, go for it. if you use your phone for business, are you nuts?

  18. Keith

    Strangely enough,they don’t provide local phone numbers for Tucson, AZ. Tucson is only about one million people. Otherwise I’d try it.

  19. Craig Walker

    Keith…we’ve just reordered in Tuscon. The demand was so great the numbers there went faster than planned. Stay tuned. - Craig

  20. PC

    I have been surprised to see RingCentral ignored in all the coverage of GrandCentral. RingCentral offers similar features, plus VOIP international calls from any phone, and it has been solid for years. Grand Central’s interface looks a little slicker, but RingCentral’s is very good as well.

  21. rack pallet

    if it doesn’t work .. its useless ..

    - That is the fact with any product; especially one involving cell phones

  22. Gary Lang

    I don’t know why all of you journalists didn’t Google this area before hyping GrandCentral.

    This kind of service has been around a long time. It started with Wildfire iin the mid-90s but the first service to do what this one does was General Magic’s Portico (which I helped build). That went away for lack of business.

    But the company who has this service is Communikate. In fact my phone number has been a Webley phone number since 1999. All my contacts have been synched from Outlook for 8 years. The main difference between Communikate and GrandCentral is that Communikate has been out of beta for a decade and works perfectly. As a result I’ve had the same number for all that time, but many cell phones and 2-3 office number changes in that time - no one notices. I have 4 phones and they all ring at once, as per the GC description.

  23. CReichert

    I signed up based on Pogue’s article. I tested it from my home at about 2AM (late nights, ahem). It worked brilliantly for the first few times, but then I constantly got the busy circuits message. I called my cell to test which circuit was busy, and it was never T-Mobile..so I assume it was GC’s system; the Pogue-effect” in this case vs “the Digg effect”.

    I personally would cross over fully if it was 5 nines, but till then, it is for family and friends to use.

    A suggestion, which I’ll put up on the GC site is to allow you to direct the call to a specific line of your pool…maybe *xx (xx being the last two digits of one of your chosen lines) as opposed to the whole set ringing..confusing to people who might be at home when you are at the office and want just the office to ring..

    Really interesting solution…look forward to a fully matured implementation..this one has legs.

  24. EP

    It’s really a tough call - do you push a service out as early as possible with a half baked product or do you hold-off until everything is perfect. The answer is probably a balance between the two, but with a board, investors, and family all pushing to see you roll it out, sometimes CEO’s can make bad decisions and push a service out too early…I hope they can fix the issues soon and maintain a solid user base of happ customers.

  25. Justin

    I would really like to see this service available for use in Canada, as the idea behind it seems very useful. I guess I’ll just have to wait.

  26. Rob Mowery

    I have been using GC since private beta and have found the service to be great (for this being a beta product). Granted they may need to work on handling the larger load as their service grows, but I have had better reliability with GC then I have had with my Vonage features or my Cingular wireless features. The only bad thing at the moment is that I cannot call out through my GC # since people getting my calls have my GC# programmed in their cells and when I call from my home # or cell #, they get those numbers showing up rather then my GC#. Also wish I could login to GC from my mobile.
    Other then those 2 nit picky items, I have been very impressed with Grand Centrals “Beta” product which surpasses other betas I have used.

  27. Michael Lambie

    ok, i hopped aboard the grand central train. i am totally in love with this service. it’s the customization i’ve always wanted for my voicemail and phone settings on an easy web interface. Amazing.

  28. Jordan

    I’ve been waiting to use this service since it started public beta, but I live in Arkansas and apparently the entire mid-west is not a target area, so…

  29. phil swenson

    One major issue with GC I haven’t heard addressed…..

    If you sign up with GC and call someone with your cell phone, the number displayed to everyone will still be the cell number. Which means 1) the receiver’s history will show the cell # 2) the receiver might capture that number as your contact number 3) if they use GC to call and have that assoicated with your name, then when you call on your cell they won’t know who your are….

    etc.

  30. Andrew

    phil,

    The only way that you can call somebody and have them see you as calling from your GC number would be to use the click to call in the address book. It would be great if you could call into GC and have voice dialing for your address book. Then everybody will see you as calling from your GC number.

  31. Basicity

    Nice domain name.

  32. Kevin

    I think this is an incredible idea! My only problem is, it’s offered to every city in Tennessee except Chattanooga! My area code (423) is not available! Any idea when more will be added? Will it not be until after the beta period???

  33. Peter

    Does GC plan to come out with a feature where you can leave voicemails on cell phones and answering machines like gotvoice?

    Peter.

  34. Andrew

    I made a post about delays during a call and Craig Walker from GrandCentral contacted me to try and figure out what may be the problem. I must say that I’m surprised by the amount of customer service. I have also had very responsive communication with their Live Chat Help feature on their website. Back to the problem… I did find it odd that I was the only one making a complaint about the delay problem during a conversation. It could very well be the VOIP line provider connecting to my number. Some providers are better than others and GrandCentral is in talks to work with another provider. It’s a new company with very good ideas and I’m looking forward to using the service more often!

  35. Richard Spink

    I read the post from Marc about GC calls getting routed to the wrong phone. This unfortunately is a huge problem with follow-me services of this kind because if one of the phones in the chain is turned off, then most likely callers will get routed to the voicemail of that phone, rather than to the phone where the person they are calling really is.

    I tried a follow-me service of this kind a while back and this ‘feature’ drove me crazy. As Marc points out GC has no control over this and it doesn’t seem like there anything GC could do anything about, is there?

  36. J Warner

    I’m amazed at the way people are jumping on board with this. GC says their service will always be free but I’ve seen dozens of free internet services turn into fee based services. What if they end up going out of business… I’d have 200+ customers with a dead number. I’ve been using gotvoice which has many of the same features as GC and it works with my existing number; in fact it works with all of my numbers. The last thing I need is “another” phone number.

  37. tim

    The funny thing is that 100 years of POTS have made us used to having a phone that always works. There’s very rarely downtime with the POTS. Contrast that with cell phones, and especially the new services delivered over IP. I wonder how long it will take them to get it to the same level of service, if ever?

  38. Lance

    Hi,

    We’ve been using GC for some time, I think 6-8 weeks, for some of our incoming 800 numbers for sales and tech support.

    It works reasonably well. Customers call a given 800 number, which terminates at the appropriate GC number, which then distributes the call to multiple staff members around the country at the same time.

    We quickly found that receiving GC calls via a landline is much better. For instance, my cell *and* landline are included in the sales group. If I’m near the landline, I WAY prefer to use that to answer the call.

    We have experienced the problem of pressing “1″ to answer the call and the GC system apparently not detecting the “1″. That’s really frustrating - to have a customer calling and not be able to connect. Definitely happens more frequently when receiving the call on my cell. Not often on the landline, but still sometimes.

    As for the threat of losing the number we’ve given to customers, in our case, it’s not a problem, as we give out the 800 number, which we *do* control ourselves. GC could go out of business and we can still terminate the 800 number anywhere we want. 800 numbers are super cheap these days, so I’d recommend that for any business use, plus I’d never trust my business number not being “owned” by my business :-).

    The call-out caller ID thing is indeed a problem. Our tech guys call back customers and the customers capture their cell phone or landline IDs. Then guess what? In time, customers start calling those numbers directly, which is not good… it means that those customers start depending on one particular person, which they would get better service from the whole team (ie, what if that person is on vacation?!).

    Anyway, overall pretty good experience, but we are still looking at options, including some old fashioned POTS or otherwise more traditional phone system options.

    We have a largely distributed workforce, which makes it tough to find a “perfect” solution. But we also really value the quality of communications with customers, so whenever we miss a call because pressing “1″ didn’t work, we really cringe!

    Oh, as for call audio quality itself, we have not had many problems with that, mainly because we have paid for everyone to have landlines and to use them whenever possible to receive calls!

  39. Xavier

    I looked into signing up for Grand Central, but won’t touch it until it’s out of Beta and working perfectly. The whole idea is to fix a bunch of imperfect phone #’s and services. Hopefully that’ll happen sooner than later.

  40. Harprit Singh

    Hello TechCrunch … why wait for this new implementation of a well-established idea? Our company has been offering this service for several years — and our product isn’t beta. It’s production, and it works. We have a long list of customers who depend on it every day. There are also other companies providing one number (find me/follow me) services. They’re not “free”, but they work. Free services seem to get the attention of the media, but it’s also important to balance that with coverage of commercial services — especially when those services are mature, and proven to work. For most people, business people especially, completing a call is far more important than the call or the number being free! There’s a huge disparity between the cost of a missed opportunity due to a lost call, versus paying for a reliable, dependable, and affordable hosted or virtual phone system. For consumers, maybe the catch word is “free”. For businesses, the catch word is “reliable”. Just my 2c.
    –Harprit Singh, http://www.innoport.com

  41. Del Maugars

    Talking about beta…

    We just launched MasqueNumber:
    Kleenex numbers with custom caller-id and time-of-day call filtering.

    A bit like TalkPlus except it works on any phone without any download, a GrandCentral type of call control technology and with one mantra: Easy-To-Use.

    When you choose to forward to voicemail by time-of-day, your phone does not even ring, real peace-of-mind… You get voicemails by email, and you can check your call records in real-time online.

    We are thinking of a Netflix type of pricing: you pay for the number of Masque Numbers you use per month, you drop numbers at anytime without any deactivation fee.

    Feedback and beta-users very welcome (we are in real beta, online for 10 days only!)

  42. Asterisk

    Why pay Grand Central when you can run asterisk on a virtual private server?

    There’s nothing that amazing about a hunt group.

  43. SFinSF

    Just got GC set up but haven’t tried it yet. Very glad to find this forum…

    I echo the concern of the mobile/caller ID situation. If your GC # can’t show up in the recipient’s log, it can result in more confusion than it’s worth esp. in business. Ditto for the bad sound quality; we don’t need more degradation of phone audio. I can barely stand using my mobile as it is.

    As for me I don’t know how I will proceed w/ GC given the mixed reviews. Probably just use it with a few pals for awhile and see how it goes.

  44. DMinSF

    I discovered the GrandCentral site a few weeks and fell in love with it and it seemed perfect… until now. Last night someone said “Hey, I can’t call you, I just get a fast-busy” and when people using Skype were trying to call me today they would just get disconnected. Oddly, if I disabled all my phones in my Settings, they could get to my voice mail. If I enabled any one of the phones, Skype would drop the call. Very strange. The person last night was trying to call me from a plain ‘ol PacBell POTS line and got the fast-busy signal. Any ideas?

  45. Fan

    GC - in theory, the best phone situation I can think of.

    In practice, well:

    I was recently unemployed, and moved cities, leaving an old cell phone behind, and planning to start new service. During this period, I went through about 4 phone numbers (old cell, new landline, temporary pre-paid cell, and then new cell phone service). It would have been an ideal time to use a SINGLE number to bridge all the various services.

    So I started using my GC number on job applications. During the course of the interview process/period, I missed an important call from a prospective employer. Luckily, I contacted them, and resolved the miscommunication. (And after testing my account, discovered that it was indeed down, for two days - w/o notice or warning.)

    If GC works 95% of the time, that’s great. But let’s face it, the convenience of managing multiple phone lines completely disappears when you miss one important phone call.

    As much as we all hate the telecoms, they have a proven track record and have service that we can trust. (at least 98% of the time) Trust… no price for that.

    Anyway, I’m glad that I waited to send out my GC number in a mass email. Now I don’t have to sound like a complete tool when I send an “oops”, never mind.

    I hope this service is up and running in a few years. It would be unstoppable if it was reliable.