Comments on: I Debate Tim Bray on Venture Capital and Web 2.0 on March 19 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:13:34 -0800 hourly 1 By: David Hilbert http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1248585 David Hilbert Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:41:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1248585 Hi Michael. You were great. I very much enjoyed the smack-down. You made me laugh several times, including after the event when I asked your thoughts on our simple service for capturing presentations and associated discussion. You said you’d be interested in visiting us sometime because it sounded like we'd come up with "the most complicated way to solve the problem". ;-) Okay, so maybe it was the wine. I’m guessing Greg Linden did a better job when he described it here: http://glinden.blogspot.com/2007/01/discovery-in-corporate-memory.html. Our focus has since shifted to an online service for indexing and organizing captured presentations (with multiple simple, low-cost capture options). Let me know if you'd ever like to visit FXPAL. We’d love to show you some cool stuff! Hi Michael. You were great. I very much enjoyed the smack-down. You made me laugh several times, including after the event when I asked your thoughts on our simple service for capturing presentations and associated discussion. You said you’d be interested in visiting us sometime because it sounded like we’d come up with “the most complicated way to solve the problem”. ;-) Okay, so maybe it was the wine. I’m guessing Greg Linden did a better job when he described it here: http://glinden....ate-memory.html. Our focus has since shifted to an online service for indexing and organizing captured presentations (with multiple simple, low-cost capture options). Let me know if you’d ever like to visit FXPAL. We’d love to show you some cool stuff!

]]> By: Steven http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1239884 Steven Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:39:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1239884 What happens if the system can't compute because the dynamic nature of the world give it something it doesn't have a variable for? http://www.audioripper.net What happens if the system can’t compute because the dynamic nature of the world give it something it

doesn’t have a variable for?
http://www.audioripper.net

]]> By: Toby Beresford http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1227058 Toby Beresford Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:14:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1227058 Hi Mike and all at TechCrunch Please can we suggest you publicise a tag for this event, something like "MikeArringtonAndTimBrayDebate" so we can track photos, videos and blogs via Technorati. Also for info we've created a tool to help normal people create unique versions of these sort of shared tags and we've called them HubTags to make it easier to talk about them in the real world. It's at http://www.hubtag.com. Hope you like it Tobs Hi Mike and all at TechCrunch

Please can we suggest you publicise a tag for this event, something like “MikeArringtonAndTimBrayDebate” so we can track photos, videos and blogs via Technorati.

Also for info we’ve created a tool to help normal people create unique versions of these sort of shared tags and we’ve called them HubTags to make it easier to talk about them in the real world. It’s at http://www.hubtag.com.

Hope you like it

Tobs

]]> By: Brian Schuliger http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1223046 Brian Schuliger Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1223046 Michael - I saw John B. was hoping for the event to be broadcast live on TalkShoe in his post #8 above: http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215877 We would love to host this for your fans :) You could moderate it or we would be happy to handle it for you. You/Tim would only need to dial in and it could be streamed to 1000's of listeners and have 100's join into the moderated Live Interactive discussion and text chat. Just let me know if you have an interest! Cheers, Brian (the TalkShoe team) Michael – I saw John B. was hoping for the event to be broadcast live on TalkShoe in his post #8 above: http://www.tech...comment-1215877

We would love to host this for your fans :)

You could moderate it or we would be happy to handle it for you. You/Tim would only need to dial in and it could be streamed to 1000’s of listeners and have 100’s join into the moderated Live Interactive discussion and text chat.

Just let me know if you have an interest!
Cheers, Brian (the TalkShoe team)

]]> By: Arvind Singh http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1219379 Arvind Singh Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:52:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1219379 Sounds great. I have signed up and will be there to support you. Sounds great. I have signed up and will be there to support you.

]]> By: woot http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1219137 woot Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:52:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1219137 lol...it will be like Mike Tyson taking on Woody Allen lol…it will be like Mike Tyson taking on Woody Allen

]]> By: Cece http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1218494 Cece Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:48:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1218494 Will the debate be recorded? Can't make it in time based on traffic and would like to see the debate. Will the debate be recorded? Can’t make it in time based on traffic and would like to see the debate.

]]> By: Scott http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1218412 Scott Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:27:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1218412 Good Luck. I would like to see a video posted if possible. Good Luck. I would like to see a video posted if possible.

]]> By: Sameer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1218163 Sameer Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:05:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1218163 Sounds great. Im in. Sounds great. Im in.

]]> By: Allen Sligar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1217645 Allen Sligar Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:16:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1217645 Normally I'd drive down for something like this but I was at GDC and then Menlo Park last week so I'm beat down. I'd be interested in seeing the video.... Normally I’d drive down for something like this but I was at GDC and then Menlo Park last week so I’m beat down. I’d be interested in seeing the video….

]]> By: Steve Kohler http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1217384 Steve Kohler Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:43:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1217384 Hey, I am coming out of my basement in Atlanta to see this. Hopefully the sunlight in Palo Alto won't make me shrivel up or burn to a crisp. I suspect it will be fun. Steve Kohler Hey, I am coming out of my basement in Atlanta to see this.
Hopefully the sunlight in Palo Alto won’t make me shrivel up
or burn to a crisp. I suspect it will be fun.

Steve Kohler

]]> By: Sridhar Vembu http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1217269 Sridhar Vembu Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:13:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1217269 Nice job lowering expectations ahead of the debate, Mike - you will make an excellent Presidential candidate :-) Nice job lowering expectations ahead of the debate, Mike – you will make an excellent Presidential candidate :-)

]]> By: rack pallet http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1217169 rack pallet Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:40:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1217169 Michael ; Your a brillant man. You are smarter than you give your self credit for. - Your Humble and that is cool, I appreciate your blog. Michael ; Your a brillant man. You are smarter than you give your self credit for.

- Your Humble and that is cool, I appreciate your blog.

]]> By: Scott Yates http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1217136 Scott Yates Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:23:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1217136 Here's an argument to help your side: He's going to argue that there's nothing really new about Web 2.0, that it's just evolution. That's a semantic argument. History is always the best tool in these sorts of debates. Look at the history of, for instance, music. Songs once only got popular by people singing them in pubs. Music evolved from that, but many famous symphonies are based old drinking-song melodies. Recording made it possible for music to be spread in different ways, and iTunes is changing that again. Would someone say that digital recordings are not significant in the history of music? Of course not? Saying that Web 2.0 advancements are not significant is similarly obstreperous. I have an admittedly self-serving blog entry about Web 2.0 and the intersection of the internet and government on the front page of my web 2.0 site, clickable above. It has a handy graph illustrating how new media always begins by using content from other media, but then eventually finds its own voice. That's what I think Web 2.0 is all about: the web finding its own true nature. Knock 'em dead, Michael! We're pulling for you! -Scott Here’s an argument to help your side: He’s going to argue that there’s nothing really new about Web 2.0, that it’s just evolution. That’s a semantic argument.

History is always the best tool in these sorts of debates. Look at the history of, for instance, music. Songs once only got popular by people singing them in pubs. Music evolved from that, but many famous symphonies are based old drinking-song melodies. Recording made it possible for music to be spread in different ways, and iTunes is changing that again. Would someone say that digital recordings are not significant in the history of music? Of course not?

Saying that Web 2.0 advancements are not significant is similarly obstreperous.

I have an admittedly self-serving blog entry about Web 2.0 and the intersection of the internet and government on the front page of my web 2.0 site, clickable above. It has a handy graph illustrating how new media always begins by using content from other media, but then eventually finds its own voice. That’s what I think Web 2.0 is all about: the web finding its own true nature.

Knock ‘em dead, Michael! We’re pulling for you!

-Scott

]]> By: Jay http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216900 Jay Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:51:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216900 Does the winner get to shave "VC" into the remaining hair on the loser's head? Does the winner get to shave “VC” into the remaining hair on the loser’s head?

]]> By: Nik Cubrilovic http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216654 Nik Cubrilovic Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:31:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216654 everybody says 'ye but you could just reply quickly', but when you multiply that out over 200 emails a day it doubles the time spent in email :) mike you should setup an auto responder that says 'thanks!' and thats all, or perhaps it randomly selects on of the following: 1. Thanks 2. No 3. Maybe 4. Call my PA on 650-400-4000 and arrange it with her 5. your idea is brilliant, I would love to invest 6. sure, I have no problems finding developers for you 7. great, see you there! 8. would love to speak at your conference, pity I wont really read this email until the conference is well over everybody says ‘ye but you could just reply quickly’, but when you multiply that out over 200 emails a day it doubles the time spent in email :)

mike you should setup an auto responder that says ‘thanks!’ and thats all, or perhaps it randomly selects on of the following:

1. Thanks
2. No
3. Maybe
4. Call my PA on 650-400-4000 and arrange it with her
5. your idea is brilliant, I would love to invest
6. sure, I have no problems finding developers for you
7. great, see you there!
8. would love to speak at your conference, pity I wont really read this email until the conference is well over

]]> By: Ivan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216399 Ivan Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:13:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216399 But it is nice to send "yes" or "no" to an offer. Ok, cheers. But it is nice to send “yes” or “no” to an offer. Ok, cheers.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216289 Michael Arrington Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:40:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216289 The important thing, Ivan, is that I am READING your emails. The important thing, Ivan, is that I am READING your emails.

]]> By: Ivan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216260 Ivan Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:30:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216260 Why we should cheer you on, when you can't find a little bit time to answer our e-mails?:) Why we should cheer you on, when you can’t find a little bit time to answer our e-mails?:)

]]> By: Ilya http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1216081 Ilya Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:36:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1216081 Cool, youre debating on my birthday. Cool, youre debating on my birthday.

]]> By: Andy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1215966 Andy Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:06:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215966 VC is over-rated. If millions are desired to create a web 2.0 site, one should re-think about how they operate a business. A truly successful venture is one that can achieve even with out millions of dollars to jump start. So many of these cheesy "web 2.0" start-ups need to seek smart money, not big money. For most of them, it comes back and bites them in the ass. VC is over-rated. If millions are desired to create a web 2.0 site, one should re-think about how they operate a business. A truly successful venture is one that can achieve even with out millions of dollars to jump start. So many of these cheesy “web 2.0″ start-ups need to seek smart money, not big money. For most of them, it comes back and bites them in the ass.

]]> By: John P. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1215877 John P. Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:32:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215877 Awesome event. Hopefully it will get filmed and uploaded. It'd be awesome to listen to it live on talkshoe or watch it on stickam or something. Awesome event. Hopefully it will get filmed and uploaded. It’d be awesome to listen to it live on talkshoe or watch it on stickam or something.

]]> By: Amit Chowdhry http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1215660 Amit Chowdhry Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:30:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215660 hahahah, Steven--best line from dumb & dumber... ever!! hahahah, Steven–best line from dumb & dumber… ever!!

]]> By: Steven http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1215643 Steven Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:24:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215643 kick his ass seabass! kick his ass seabass!

]]> By: Amit Chowdhry http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/comment-page-1/#comment-1215526 Amit Chowdhry Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:54:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/i-debate-tim-bray-on-venture-capital-and-web-20-on-march-19/#comment-1215526 Mike, you're debating pro-VC funding for Web 2.0 companies? Though I can't be there, I'm cheering for you in spirit! Mike, you’re debating pro-VC funding for Web 2.0 companies? Though I can’t be there, I’m cheering for you in spirit!

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