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]]> By: whoopee http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-952136 whoopee Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:55:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-952136 jesus, this is news? ash and zod filed this patent eleven years ago, i recall chuckling when i was told they were patenting my.yahoo, which i believe they did only as a defensive measure (to prevent someone else from doing so and trying to take yahoo to court). as far as i know, no one at yahoo has tried to beat anyone into submission with this patent, so why the hemming and hawing? yippee, crunchgear knows how to search patents. don't worry, netvibes will still be there in the morning. jesus, this is news? ash and zod filed this patent eleven years ago, i recall chuckling when i was told they were patenting my.yahoo, which i believe they did only as a defensive measure (to prevent someone else from doing so and trying to take yahoo to court). as far as i know, no one at yahoo has tried to beat anyone into submission with this patent, so why the hemming and hawing? yippee, crunchgear knows how to search patents. don’t worry, netvibes will still be there in the morning.

]]> By: tr101 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-952023 tr101 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:33:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-952023 #16: Ant Are you referring to the scrollwheel like on a mouse or the flat scrollwheel exactly like the iPod? I'm pretty sure they have a lock on that patent so if that's the case maybe they licensed it from Apple. #16: Ant

Are you referring to the scrollwheel like on a mouse or the flat scrollwheel exactly like the iPod? I’m pretty sure they have a lock on that patent so if that’s the case maybe they licensed it from Apple.

]]> By: Steve Morsa http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-951358 Steve Morsa Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:12:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-951358 Given both its early priority date via a vis the Internet landscape as well as its breadth of scope, this does indeed appear to be a very powerful patent. It should also be noted that even if such customization were accomplished in a (slightly) different manner(s), under the Doctrine of Equivalents (DoE), if the “result” is the same/virtually the same as Yahoo’s method/system, others could still be found to be infringing. This certainly points out–again–the importance of IP protection in the age of the Internet…a painful lesson Digg’s Mr. Rose is no doubt feeling as others copy his content aggregation and ranking system/s. While it's true that there are oh so many junk biz-method/software patents out there; due in large part to both current and in-the-past time and production pressed patent examiners operating with insufficient non-patent prior art data bases and search tools (along with many patent applicants who have disingenuously/illegally ignored and/or failed to even search for and disclose such non-patent prior art in their filings); this Yahoo patent looks to be one of the (very) good ones... Given both its early priority date via a vis the Internet landscape as well as its breadth of scope, this does indeed appear to be a very powerful patent.

It should also be noted that even if such customization were accomplished in a (slightly) different manner(s), under the Doctrine of Equivalents (DoE), if the “result” is the same/virtually the same as Yahoo’s method/system, others could still be found to be infringing.

This certainly points out–again–the importance of IP protection in the age of the Internet…a painful lesson Digg’s Mr. Rose is no doubt feeling as others copy his content aggregation and ranking system/s.

While it’s true that there are oh so many junk biz-method/software patents out there; due in large part to both current and in-the-past time and production pressed patent examiners operating with insufficient non-patent prior art data bases and search tools (along with many patent applicants who have disingenuously/illegally ignored and/or failed to even search for and disclose such non-patent prior art in their filings); this Yahoo patent looks to be one of the (very) good ones…

]]> By: Steve http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950649 Steve Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:32:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950649 I cant be 100% sure, but I worked for @home in 1997/1998 - and after Excite bought us, we were required to push our local news stories to their main portal website - four times a day. This suggests to me that Excite was not processed in real time, but a published system. Again .. that was a long time ago, and time plays tricks with the memory. [The only reason I remember it being a published system is someone was always calling us to give us a story that HAD to go up .. maybe 10 mins before we had to push one.] I cant be 100% sure, but I worked for @home in 1997/1998 – and after Excite bought us, we were required to push our local news stories to their main portal website – four times a day. This suggests to me that Excite was not processed in real time, but a published system. Again .. that was a long time ago, and time plays tricks with the memory.

[The only reason I remember it being a published system is someone was always calling us to give us a story that HAD to go up .. maybe 10 mins before we had to push one.]

]]> By: Cory Sorice http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950574 Cory Sorice Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:12:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950574 Joe W - Great points on clarification and background history in that time. On defensive v. offensive, I highlight on the CG article that Yahoo pursued its PPC patent against Google and received shares in Google as a settlement. Additionally, IBM has proven to be a major IP player by being both offensive (actively seeking licenses) and defensive (negotiating for cross-licensing rights). Startup - Excite could be a concern for Yahoo in terms of potential prior art. Yahoo's patent claims emphasize real-time information as well as how it handles user templates. While the Wayback Machine can show Excite's interface at that time, some further details on Excite's technology including its caching techniques as well as its method for receiving and distributing information is needed to make that deeper determination. Joe W – Great points on clarification and background history in that time. On defensive v. offensive, I highlight on the CG article that Yahoo pursued its PPC patent against Google and received shares in Google as a settlement. Additionally, IBM has proven to be a major IP player by being both offensive (actively seeking licenses) and defensive (negotiating for cross-licensing rights).

Startup – Excite could be a concern for Yahoo in terms of potential prior art. Yahoo’s patent claims emphasize real-time information as well as how it handles user templates. While the Wayback Machine can show Excite’s interface at that time, some further details on Excite’s technology including its caching techniques as well as its method for receiving and distributing information is needed to make that deeper determination.

]]> By: Amit http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950457 Amit Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:45:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950457 Can someone summarize the patent? Why do they use so heavy languages in patent! Algorithm and process patents in software industry are a pain! The patent proliferation in past few means that pain is just beginning! Its just a matter of time when some bi fish will get caught in trap of a fake broad patent! Can someone summarize the patent? Why do they use so heavy languages in patent! Algorithm and process patents in software industry are a pain! The patent proliferation in past few means that pain is just beginning! Its just a matter of time when some bi fish will get caught in trap of a fake broad patent!

]]> By: Startup Capital http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950298 Startup Capital Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:07:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950298 No one has done there home work, excite.com and "excite live" Had this already on there website on March 3, 97. From the wayback machine, easy to find. Same exact same thing as MY YAHOO. Just a waste of money that Yahoo has done again, not focusing on better products. My Yahoo didn't come out until Fall 97. I am not a lawyer, and being a web investor, this patent doesn't scare us. Correct me if I am wrong about excite live. No one has done there home work, excite.com and “excite live” Had this already on there website on March 3, 97. From the wayback machine, easy to find. Same exact same thing as MY YAHOO. Just a waste of money that Yahoo has done again, not focusing on better products. My Yahoo didn’t come out until Fall 97. I am not a lawyer, and being a web investor, this patent doesn’t scare us. Correct me if I am wrong about excite live.

]]> By: Joe Wilson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950286 Joe Wilson Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:05:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950286 Dan/Vinny: The priority date on this patent goes to the original filing (this is a continuation of that filing) and so the priority date is June 12, 1997. There was very little, if any, practice of this kind of technology at that time. Zip2 was the first company I recall having a personalized page generator. I don't recall specificaly when they launched it, but it was 97/98 timeframe. At that time, this was a pretty innovative, if not exactly unique, idea. Jojo: Yahoo may have no interest in extracting license fees. It is rarely a winning strategy to use patents offensively. Most often, patents are used to prevent someone else from filing suit against you for technology you invented. That being said, I agree that reform is needed in the patent system. With the pace of innovation online, the patent office is woefully unprepared to address the realities of our business environment. Note that this patent took almost 8 years to be processed. By the time most patents are issued in this space, the practice in question has either gone the way of the dodo or has become common practice. Obligatory CYA - the above is just my opinion, YMMV and IANAL. ;o) Dan/Vinny: The priority date on this patent goes to the original filing (this is a continuation of that filing) and so the priority date is June 12, 1997. There was very little, if any, practice of this kind of technology at that time. Zip2 was the first company I recall having a personalized page generator. I don’t recall specificaly when they launched it, but it was 97/98 timeframe. At that time, this was a pretty innovative, if not exactly unique, idea.

Jojo: Yahoo may have no interest in extracting license fees. It is rarely a winning strategy to use patents offensively. Most often, patents are used to prevent someone else from filing suit against you for technology you invented.

That being said, I agree that reform is needed in the patent system. With the pace of innovation online, the patent office is woefully unprepared to address the realities of our business environment. Note that this patent took almost 8 years to be processed. By the time most patents are issued in this space, the practice in question has either gone the way of the dodo or has become common practice.

Obligatory CYA – the above is just my opinion, YMMV and IANAL. ;o)

]]> By: Vinny Lingham http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950172 Vinny Lingham Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:43:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950172 That date on the registration says 30th of January. Was the date the patent was registered with the office, or granted? Netvibes et al. will easily have recourse to dispute. That date on the registration says 30th of January. Was the date the patent was registered with the office, or granted? Netvibes et al. will easily have recourse to dispute.

]]> By: Ant http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950121 Ant Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:32:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950121 @7 Actually, I bought an RCA mp3 player about a month ago that has a scroll wheel on it. @7

Actually, I bought an RCA mp3 player about a month ago that has a scroll wheel on it.

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-950077 Chris Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:23:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-950077 "patents suck… thank god for europe!" I wonder if this has anything to do with the frequency of these type of complaints? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/06/walmart-officially-enters-movie-download-war/#comment-885995 “patents suck… thank god for europe!”

I wonder if this has anything to do with the frequency of these type of complaints?

http://www.tech...#comment-885995

]]> By: Yahoo Sucks http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-949999 Yahoo Sucks Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:09:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-949999 This should KILL off YAHOO for good. Thank goodness, I'm sick of their sh*t. This should KILL off YAHOO for good. Thank goodness, I’m sick of their sh*t.

]]> By: Jojo http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-949820 Jojo Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:36:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-949820 This patent is too broad, not specific and obvious to any experienced professional. But Yahoo may be able to extract some license $$ from smaller companies that they know don't have the resources to fight a patent battle. I doubt Yahoo will go after a Google sized company if they choose to try and enforce this. This patent is too broad, not specific and obvious to any experienced professional.

But Yahoo may be able to extract some license $$ from smaller companies that they know don’t have the resources to fight a patent battle. I doubt Yahoo will go after a Google sized company if they choose to try and enforce this.

]]> By: AhmedF http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-949786 AhmedF Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:30:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-949786 Before everyone jumps on Yahoo's back, remember the RIM case (which was basically baloney). MS, Yahoo, Google et all get patents as defensive moves too. Just something to remember. Before everyone jumps on Yahoo’s back, remember the RIM case (which was basically baloney).

MS, Yahoo, Google et all get patents as defensive moves too. Just something to remember.

]]> By: pallet jack http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/comment-page-1/#comment-949775 pallet jack Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:25:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/patent-monkey-yahoo-ready-to-smash-up-the-mash-ups/#comment-949775 Yahoo!, another useless patent. - this is evil, (google reference) - Although Im sure, google as some evil patents itself. heh - Rb - -"tell me the rules of the game, and I'll play it!" Yahoo!, another useless patent.

– this is evil, (google reference)

– Although Im sure, google as some evil patents itself. heh

– Rb –

-”tell me the rules of the game, and I’ll play it!”

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