Comments on: YouTube Hands Over User’s Info to Fox http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:44:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: technologytalk.net » The CopyFight Against YouTube | A look at technology's role in modern culture http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-1368331 technologytalk.net » The CopyFight Against YouTube | A look at technology's role in modern culture Tue, 08 May 2007 03:24:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-1368331 [...] Fox demanded that Google turn over user data on anyone that uploaded unaired episodes of 24 - and Google [...] [...] Fox demanded that Google turn over user data on anyone that uploaded unaired episodes of 24 - and Google [...]

]]> By: Geek And Poke http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-944552 Geek And Poke Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:42:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-944552 <strong>The Simple YouTube Rules...</strong> The YouTube Party is getting a bit harder (see TechCrunch).... The Simple YouTube Rules…

The YouTube Party is getting a bit harder (see TechCrunch)….

]]> By: Ben http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-944213 Ben Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:00:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-944213 i like the comments as much as the article!! i like the comments as much as the article!!

]]> By: datter is a loser http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-943868 datter is a loser Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:08:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-943868 DATTER: wow.. you seriously need to take a chill pill.. and um.. stop being so miserable. no one cares but you. and if you dont like it.. dont come here. DATTER:

wow..
you seriously need to take a chill pill.. and um.. stop being so miserable. no one cares but you.

and if you dont like it.. dont come here.

]]> By: Paul Irish http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942996 Paul Irish Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:09:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942996 Thx Marshall. :) Thx Marshall. :)

]]> By: datter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942356 datter Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:28:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942356 "Datter: Quit moaning. Honestly. Go outside and get some fresh air - will this bother you tomorrow?" No, I won't "quit moaning". People make a big deal about big issues (sometimes) but often overlook the small ones. This means circumstances get held to to higher standards than others... and being blind to the little things doesn't do anyone any favors. “Datter: Quit moaning. Honestly. Go outside and get some fresh air - will this bother you tomorrow?”

No, I won’t “quit moaning”.

People make a big deal about big issues (sometimes) but often overlook the small ones. This means circumstances get held to to higher standards than others… and being blind to the little things doesn’t do anyone any favors.

]]> By: Lloyd http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942285 Lloyd Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:04:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-942285 Shahid is correct - im suprised YouTube has survived for so long - how can any decent content stay on there in view of everyone? rapidshare et al is where the future is at because the little guys actions are virtually protected (or at least much better protected than YouTube clients) - if you give an uploaded file an arbitary name its almost impossible for that file to be located without you publishing the link. The web will become a much more policed environment in the future but dont think for one minute that it will be easy for them. Shahid is correct - im suprised YouTube has survived for so long - how can any decent content stay on there in view of everyone? rapidshare et al is where the future is at because the little guys actions are virtually protected (or at least much better protected than YouTube clients) - if you give an uploaded file an arbitary name its almost impossible for that file to be located without you publishing the link.

The web will become a much more policed environment in the future but dont think for one minute that it will be easy for them.

]]> By: Snurd http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941947 Snurd Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:13:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941947 Datter: grow the f&^% up, child. drew: you got it right, man. Big takeaway from this is the impact it will have on the uploaders once it's known that YT will give you up for a pack of smokes. Datter: grow the f&^% up, child.

drew: you got it right, man. Big takeaway from this is the impact it will have on the uploaders once it’s known that YT will give you up for a pack of smokes.

]]> By: Alex http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941608 Alex Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:22:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941608 Datter: Quit moaning. Honestly. Go outside and get some fresh air - will this bother you tomorrow? Datter: Quit moaning. Honestly. Go outside and get some fresh air - will this bother you tomorrow?

]]> By: bogdan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941293 bogdan Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:44:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-941293 i think that all these problems represent the agony of an old system... services like youtube represent the future. don't fight with them, use them!!! i think that all these problems represent the agony of an old system… services like youtube represent the future. don’t fight with them, use them!!!

]]> By: Shahid http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940656 Shahid Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:26:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940656 "Youtube was built on people violating copyrights by doing stupid..." The whole culture of filesharing is built on copyright violations. If you think YT is full of it, check out Rapidshare, Megaupload, or the like. Commercial sites able to charge a monthly subscription fee, for the sole purpose of facilitating these violations. They're not even like torrent trackers who can claim they host nothing illegal, they just index .torrent files - but instead they exist solely to make infinging easier. Gofigure... “Youtube was built on people violating copyrights by doing stupid…”

The whole culture of filesharing is built on copyright violations. If you think YT is full of it, check out Rapidshare, Megaupload, or the like. Commercial sites able to charge a monthly subscription fee, for the sole purpose of facilitating these violations. They’re not even like torrent trackers who can claim they host nothing illegal, they just index .torrent files - but instead they exist solely to make infinging easier. Gofigure…

]]> By: Rex Dixon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940493 Rex Dixon Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:46:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940493 I will say this, they use to say it was great to burn books that were bad for the people. I think YouTube is trying hard to come off nice and clean. Wash their hands of their past. The funny thing is that you can't just erase the past. It doesn't work like, at least not in 2007. Rex I will say this, they use to say it was great to burn books that were bad for the people. I think YouTube is trying hard to come off nice and clean. Wash their hands of their past. The funny thing is that you can’t just erase the past. It doesn’t work like, at least not in 2007.

Rex

]]> By: Eric B http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940376 Eric B Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:21:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940376 "Bad analogy. Stealing is NOT the equivalent of copying." Yes, the analogy is slightly flawed, but if downloading an illicit copy of a show/game/whatever causes one not to purchase a legitimate copy then the end result to the copyright holder is the same. The problem that most people have with the above analogy is that they are looking at it through too narrow of scope. While I dislike the heavy handed techniques of many of the media companies, I also find the wide spread support of copyright infringement to be sickening as well. I'm sick of seeing Digg/slashdot/whatever hip new cool tech news site filled with all the latest pirating technology and methods. “Bad analogy. Stealing is NOT the equivalent of copying.”

Yes, the analogy is slightly flawed, but if downloading an illicit copy of a show/game/whatever causes one not to purchase a legitimate copy then the end result to the copyright holder is the same.

The problem that most people have with the above analogy is that they are looking at it through too narrow of scope.

While I dislike the heavy handed techniques of many of the media companies, I also find the wide spread support of copyright infringement to be sickening as well. I’m sick of seeing Digg/slashdot/whatever hip new cool tech news site filled with all the latest pirating technology and methods.

]]> By: Larry http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940345 Larry Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:12:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940345 WTF! Anyone STUPID enough to post copyrighted material on-line in violation of the law deserves to be nailed. Youtube was built on people violating copyrights by doing stupid crap with someone else's music and/or videos in it. It's obvious that Youtube has never been willing or able to abide by copyright law. Anyone with any sense just copies movies or cds directly instead of putting it on-line where they can be tracked. Eventually, they'll go after the little guy just like they have done with pot smokers. 88% of those in jail for pot offenses are in for possesion, not distribution. Get over it. WTF! Anyone STUPID enough to post copyrighted material on-line in violation of the law deserves to be nailed. Youtube was built on people violating copyrights by doing stupid crap with someone else’s music and/or videos in it. It’s obvious that Youtube has never been willing or able to abide by copyright law.

Anyone with any sense just copies movies or cds directly instead of putting it on-line where they can be tracked. Eventually, they’ll go after the little guy just like they have done with pot smokers. 88% of those in jail for pot offenses are in for possesion, not distribution.

Get over it.

]]> By: tard http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940227 tard Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:40:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-940227 Sascha wrote: "Nobody would ever go to a store, steal a couple of DVDs, and then put them outside their house for everybody who wants to have them. Publishing videos on YouTube like that is pretty much the digital equivalent of that action." Bad analogy. Stealing is NOT the equivalent of copying. Sascha wrote:

“Nobody would ever go to a store, steal a couple of DVDs, and then put them outside their house for everybody who wants to have them. Publishing videos on YouTube like that is pretty much the digital equivalent of that action.”

Bad analogy. Stealing is NOT the equivalent of copying.

]]> By: Mr. Smith http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939657 Mr. Smith Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:19:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939657 I just hope YouTube doesn't tell my ex about that video I posted. I just hope YouTube doesn’t tell my ex about that video I posted.

]]> By: datter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939428 datter Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:22:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939428 "Paul and Datter, I’m puting that sentence at the end of one post a day so I think we’ll all live." How about TechCrunch's regular paying advertisers? Those little ad units up there run for $10,000 per month a piece on this site you know, and you're getting a link-a-day for free... you could at least be a bit more conciliatory rather than so defensive. When it comes right down to it, your attitude sucks... so yay for Splashcast. “Paul and Datter, I’m puting that sentence at the end of one post a day so I think we’ll all live.”

How about TechCrunch’s regular paying advertisers? Those little ad units up there run for $10,000 per month a piece on this site you know, and you’re getting a link-a-day for free… you could at least be a bit more conciliatory rather than so defensive.

When it comes right down to it, your attitude sucks… so yay for Splashcast.

]]> By: Jeremy Steele http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939426 Jeremy Steele Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:21:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939426 I have an idea to solve all these problems and stop future ones, stop illegally uploading content! I have an idea to solve all these problems and stop future ones, stop illegally uploading content!

]]> By: Spud http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939266 Spud Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:46:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939266 Will this result in people thinking twice about posting copyright videos? It may not be Google’s policy to hand over user details in the past but it is clearly YouTubes policy and I guess seems they are owned by Google it’s now Google’s policy. Will this result in people thinking twice about posting copyright videos? It may not be Google’s policy to hand over user details in the past but it is clearly YouTubes policy and I guess seems they are owned by Google it’s now Google’s policy.

]]> By: Sprague Dawley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939265 Sprague Dawley Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:45:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939265 Content providers are showing muscle in order to strengthen their hand in negotiations. I doubt they're interested in court fights -- they want revenue sharing and partner relationships in posting of content. Youtube is morphing from a business dependent upon free, user-provided (stolen) content to a version of mini-TV. What I don't get is why Google is dragging the process out -- especially when their other hand is trying to become a media buying intermediary between large advertisers and media companies... unless, perhaps, this plays into the terms under negotiation. With the speed that things happen on the Interweb, the delay could allow a competitor their chance... Content providers are showing muscle in order to strengthen their hand in negotiations. I doubt they’re interested in court fights — they want revenue sharing and partner relationships in posting of content.

Youtube is morphing from a business dependent upon free, user-provided (stolen) content to a version of mini-TV. What I don’t get is why Google is dragging the process out — especially when their other hand is trying to become a media buying intermediary between large advertisers and media companies… unless, perhaps, this plays into the terms under negotiation.

With the speed that things happen on the Interweb, the delay could allow a competitor their chance…

]]> By: Marcus http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939135 Marcus Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:19:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939135 POT KETTLE BLACK!!! seriously, how many gigs of copyrighted material must there be on myspace!??! judging by the myspace relationship with google and youtube being owned by google, this has got to draw similarities with the time fox allegidly sued itself: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/3745.html this is a seriously stupid move. just as the RIAA suing random people for sharing mp3s, this won't have any effect on distribution of their TV shows on the internet just as the RIAA didn't have any effect on mp3 sharing on p2p networks. i can't see anything other than bad PR coming of this. i wonder what the folks at FOX interactive think...... Marcus POT
KETTLE
BLACK!!!

seriously, how many gigs of copyrighted material must there be on myspace!??!

judging by the myspace relationship with google and youtube being owned by google, this has got to draw similarities with the time fox allegidly sued itself:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/3745.html

this is a seriously stupid move. just as the RIAA suing random people for sharing mp3s, this won’t have any effect on distribution of their TV shows on the internet just as the RIAA didn’t have any effect on mp3 sharing on p2p networks. i can’t see anything other than bad PR coming of this. i wonder what the folks at FOX interactive think……

Marcus

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939103 Chris Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:14:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939103 M- Nice post. It's nice to have you back on TC - even if it's just for a bit. -C M-

Nice post. It’s nice to have you back on TC - even if it’s just for a bit.

-C

]]> By: College Marketing 4.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939051 College Marketing 4.0 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:03:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939051 <strong>The Beginning of the End for YouTube...</strong> Oh man is Google Tube in trouble. TechCrunch announced today that YouTube, after a subpoena from Fox, released to fox the personal information of a user, ECOTtotal, that 20th Century Fox Television accused of uploading episodes of 24 (great show)... The Beginning of the End for YouTube…

Oh man is Google Tube in trouble. TechCrunch announced today that YouTube, after a subpoena from Fox, released to fox the personal information of a user, ECOTtotal, that 20th Century Fox Television accused of uploading episodes of 24 (great show)…

]]> By: Tester23 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939045 Tester23 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:02:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-939045 As far as I see, YouTube had no choice but to release this information else they would be in legal hotwater because lack of cooperation with a court process in identifying an infringing user could be construed as collusion with that user, especially since the DMCA Safe Harbor statutes are so vague in nature. As far as I see, YouTube had no choice but to release this information else they would be in legal hotwater because lack of cooperation with a court process in identifying an infringing user could be construed as collusion with that user, especially since the DMCA Safe Harbor statutes are so vague in nature.

]]> By: Marshall Kirkpatrick http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-938850 Marshall Kirkpatrick Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:21:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/13/youtube-hands-over-users-info-to-fox/#comment-938850 Paul and Datter, I'm puting that sentence at the end of one post a day so I think we'll all live. Thanks for putting it plainly re YouTube and btw, I love Aurgasm. Paul and Datter, I’m puting that sentence at the end of one post a day so I think we’ll all live. Thanks for putting it plainly re YouTube and btw, I love Aurgasm.

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