Comments on: Google and China and Evilness http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:10:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: TechCrunch,你有多了不起?! : 动点博客 MOBINODE http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-2309042 TechCrunch,你有多了不起?! : 动点博客 MOBINODE Mon, 19 May 2008 15:11:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-2309042 [...] 3. TechCrunch上谈到中国，总是会把互联网和政治联系在一起，去年的一篇Google and China and Evilness直接把中国和Evilness连在一起. [...] [...] 3. TechCrunch上谈到中国，总是会把互联网和政治联系在一起，去年的一篇Google and China and Evilness直接把中国和Evilness连在一起. [...]

]]> By: TechCrunch40(20):生活中必不可少的Web2.0网站 | 歪博2.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1629697 TechCrunch40(20):生活中必不可少的Web2.0网站 | 歪博2.0 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:39:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1629697 [...]         如果你在TechCrunch上通过关键字“China”搜索一下，你会发现在过去的一个月中，TechCrunch一共发表了8篇与中国互联网有关的文章。最近的一篇是“HiPiHi公布全球化战略，建立虚拟世界标准”，我也在这里作了介绍。这还真是有些不同寻常。如果你曾经读到过Michael Arrington写的一篇文章“Google与中国还有劣行”，以及他的其他几篇发表在CrunchNotes上的文章，相信你就会理解我的感觉了。我甚至了解几个中国的网站（其中有一个现在被认为中国最具有创新性的Web2.0网站）都曾经试图联系TechCrunch，希望可以介绍他们，但是没有一个得到回复。不过还是得提到下Michael最终还是注意到了TC在中国拥有很多粉丝。         TechCrunch在关注中国互联网吗？如果是，对于中国互联网来说应该是个不错的消息。但是我还是有些怀疑。TechCrunch关注中国的原因不会是因为Google在中国市场加大了力度了吧？可以参看下面搜索“中国”后结果的截屏，一半都是和Google中国有关，而且其中只有一篇是Michael自己写的，有一些也不是第一手的消息（从其他媒体例如Metaversed, Reuters转载的）。请不要误会我，我在这里并不是想批评TechCrunch。TechCrunch绝对是学习互联网市场非常好的渠道和资源。我想问的是：什么时候人们才会真正认为中国互联网值得被关注呢？引自：http://www.mobinode.com/chinese/?p=39 [...] [...]         如果你在TechCrunch上通过关键字“China”搜索一下，你会发现在过去的一个月中，TechCrunch一共发表了8篇与中国互联网有关的文章。最近的一篇是“HiPiHi公布全球化战略，建立虚拟世界标准”，我也在这里作了介绍。这还真是有些不同寻常。如果你曾经读到过Michael Arrington写的一篇文章“Google与中国还有劣行”，以及他的其他几篇发表在CrunchNotes上的文章，相信你就会理解我的感觉了。我甚至了解几个中国的网站（其中有一个现在被认为中国最具有创新性的Web2.0网站）都曾经试图联系TechCrunch，希望可以介绍他们，但是没有一个得到回复。不过还是得提到下Michael最终还是注意到了TC在中国拥有很多粉丝。         TechCrunch在关注中国互联网吗？如果是，对于中国互联网来说应该是个不错的消息。但是我还是有些怀疑。TechCrunch关注中国的原因不会是因为Google在中国市场加大了力度了吧？可以参看下面搜索“中国”后结果的截屏，一半都是和Google中国有关，而且其中只有一篇是Michael自己写的，有一些也不是第一手的消息（从其他媒体例如Metaversed, Reuters转载的）。请不要误会我，我在这里并不是想批评TechCrunch。TechCrunch绝对是学习互联网市场非常好的渠道和资源。我想问的是：什么时候人们才会真正认为中国互联网值得被关注呢？引自：http://www.mobinode.com/chinese/?p=39 [...]

]]> By: TechCrunch开始关注中国互联网了吗? : 动点博客 MOBINODE http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1568299 TechCrunch开始关注中国互联网了吗? : 动点博客 MOBINODE Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:37:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1568299 [...] 如果你在TechCrunch上通过关键字“China”搜索一下，你会发现在过去的一个月中，TechCrunch一共发表了8篇与中国互联网有关的文章。最近的一篇是“HiPiHi公布全球策略，建立虚拟世界标准”，我也在这里作了介绍。这还真是有些不同寻常。如果你曾经读到过Michael Arrington写的一篇文章“Google、中国及恶魔”，以及他的其他几篇发表在CrunchNotes上的文章，相信你就会理解我的感觉了。我甚至了解几个中国的网站（其中有一个现在被认为中国最具有创新性的Web2.0网站）都曾经试图联系TechCrunch，希望可以介绍他们，但是没有一个得到回复。不过还是得提到下Michael最终还是注意到了TC在中国拥有很多粉丝。 [...] [...] 如果你在TechCrunch上通过关键字“China”搜索一下，你会发现在过去的一个月中，TechCrunch一共发表了8篇与中国互联网有关的文章。最近的一篇是“HiPiHi公布全球策略，建立虚拟世界标准”，我也在这里作了介绍。这还真是有些不同寻常。如果你曾经读到过Michael Arrington写的一篇文章“Google、中国及恶魔”，以及他的其他几篇发表在CrunchNotes上的文章，相信你就会理解我的感觉了。我甚至了解几个中国的网站（其中有一个现在被认为中国最具有创新性的Web2.0网站）都曾经试图联系TechCrunch，希望可以介绍他们，但是没有一个得到回复。不过还是得提到下Michael最终还是注意到了TC在中国拥有很多粉丝。 [...]

]]> By: Is TechCrunch Learning Chinese Web? : THE MOBINODE 动点博客 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1567626 Is TechCrunch Learning Chinese Web? : THE MOBINODE 动点博客 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:10:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1567626 [...] I also covered here. It is quite unusual, I would say. If you ever read a post titled Google and China and Evilness from Michael Arrington and some other posts on his CrunchNotes, you will understand my feeling [...] [...] I also covered here. It is quite unusual, I would say. If you ever read a post titled Google and China and Evilness from Michael Arrington and some other posts on his CrunchNotes, you will understand my feeling [...]

]]> By: Chinese Internet Usage Rivals US http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1496248 Chinese Internet Usage Rivals US Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:50:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1496248 [...] sale became a partnership and relaunch this summer. Search engines, Google most notably, have had difficult ethical decisions with China’s political restrictions on [...] [...] sale became a partnership and relaunch this summer. Search engines, Google most notably, have had difficult ethical decisions with China’s political restrictions on [...]

]]> By: To everyone else. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1214788 To everyone else. Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:42:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1214788 Please visit http://exposingthefalungong.org/ to better understand what the Falun Gong "peace" movement is really all about. Please visit http://exposingthefalungong.org/ to better understand what the Falun Gong “peace” movement is really all about.

]]> By: To so-called Falun Gong practicioners http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1214784 To so-called Falun Gong practicioners Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:41:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1214784 Most Falun Gong "practicioners" on the internet and the streets are in fact dirty low-lives who are paid to spread lies. It does not take too much intelligence to see this, what with the constant repeating of slogans like "Falun Gong is good" and "China is evil". If you see a Falun Gong practicioner on the streets or in an internet forum, please encourage them to stop selling their souls for money. Tell them that, though they are the lowest form of human scum (if they can indeed be called human), to find real jobs that require things like a college degree or an I.Q. above that of our primate ancestors. Most Falun Gong “practicioners” on the internet and the streets are in fact dirty low-lives who are paid to spread lies. It does not take too much intelligence to see this, what with the constant repeating of slogans like “Falun Gong is good” and “China is evil”. If you see a Falun Gong practicioner on the streets or in an internet forum, please encourage them to stop selling their souls for money. Tell them that, though they are the lowest form of human scum (if they can indeed be called human), to find real jobs that require things like a college degree or an I.Q. above that of our primate ancestors.

]]> By: Jana http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1076287 Jana Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:44:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1076287 Here is something for you all to think about before you ask questions. If someone came into your home and stole your parents and children and tortured them and you knew not where they were what would you do? You would go the police and if they didn't listen you would go the Politicians and if they didn't listen you would go to the media and if they didn’t listen you would go into the streets and down every possible avenue to expose this crime. Is that being political? You can call Falun Gong political. If that’s what it takes to stop this bloody brutal inhumane persecution then call us anything you like we won’t mind. “The truth is, mankind's "politics" was not designed for the persecutors' use. If "getting political" can expose the persecution, if "getting political" can stop the persecution, if "getting political" can help clarify the facts, if "getting political" can save sentient beings--if "getting political" can do all of this good, then why not do so? The crux of the matter, it would seem, is that a Falun Gong practitioners motive is to stop the persecution, and not to "get political" for the sake of gaining human political power. Cultivators have no desire for power among men: just the opposite, cultivators are to let go of any attachment to power.” Please think about this issue with more compassion. Its enough to understand that this persecution of the very best in humanity is wrong . Falun Gong is good. Here is something for you all to think about before you ask questions.

If someone came into your home and stole your parents and children and tortured them and you knew not where they were what would you do?

You would go the police and if they didn’t listen you would go the
Politicians and if they didn’t listen you would go to the media and if
they didn’t listen you would go into the streets and down every possible avenue to expose this crime. Is that being political?

You can call Falun Gong political. If that’s what it takes to stop this bloody brutal inhumane persecution then call us anything you like we won’t mind.

“The truth is, mankind’s “politics” was not designed for the persecutors’ use. If “getting political” can expose the persecution, if “getting political” can stop the persecution, if “getting political” can help clarify the facts, if “getting political” can save sentient beings–if “getting political” can do all of this good, then why not do so? The crux of the matter, it would seem, is that a Falun Gong practitioners motive is to stop the persecution, and not to “get political” for the sake of gaining human political power. Cultivators have no desire for power among men: just the opposite, cultivators are to let go of any attachment to power.”

Please think about this issue with more compassion. Its enough to understand that this persecution of the very best in humanity is wrong . Falun Gong is good.

]]> By: Jana http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1076176 Jana Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:33:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1076176 HI, Ask me any question about Falun Gong and I'll tell you the truth . HI,
Ask me any question about Falun Gong and I’ll tell you the truth .

]]> By: chaos http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1046686 chaos Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:02:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1046686 To "Taiwanese" : In China,there is an old saying that " If qurral can't get a result, we fight ." About Falun Gong: Falun Gong had exist several years before being forbidden, I disliked it only because They say "If you are ill, don't go to see a doctor . Instead think about The Wheel (Fa lun in chinese). Then you will be health again." How stupid it is . But when some newspaper publish articles saying the theory above is not scientific. Organised Falun Gongs flood to the newspaper's working place to let media shut up. That is why they are forbidden at last. To “Taiwanese” :
In China,there is an old saying that ” If qurral can’t get a result, we fight .”

About Falun Gong:
Falun Gong had exist several years before being forbidden, I disliked it only because They say “If you are ill, don’t go to see a doctor . Instead think about The Wheel (Fa lun in chinese). Then you will be health again.” How stupid it is .

But when some newspaper publish articles saying the theory above is not scientific. Organised Falun Gongs flood to the newspaper’s working place to let media shut up. That is why they are forbidden at last.

]]> By: Chris Langdon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1018168 Chris Langdon Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-1018168 Google is evil, although Google's motto is to do no evil. They have explained the motto as a desire to do good. Google excuses its censorship in China by stating that China is better off with Google's presence. The truth is, if Google weren't available in China, the Chinese people would still have Microsoft's "Live" and Yahoo to provide them with censored information. Google's Brin stated that they were having second thoughts about agreeing to Chinese Communist censorship and might leave the Chinese market. I pointed out on my website, www.chinaisevil.com, that itw as a ploy. Brin first made those comments when in Washington and the so-called net neutrality issue was before Congress. He was simply attempting to defelect criticism from Congressman who were critical of Google's censorship. In truth, Google was never considering pulling out of China. At the time that Brin made his comments, Google was expanding its workforce in China. Brin is a tricky devil. the media believes him because he wears jeans and a t-shirt, instaed of a coat and tie. The point I am making, is that Google censors in America, in order to appease the Chinese Communists. They, and Yahho and Live won't allow me to advertise my site in America. They also won't allow me to advertise my other website, www.ncjusticefraud.com, in the US. That site accuses the NC Attorney General, Roy Cooper, of perpetarting fraud on the US Supreme Court. It has been in existence for 16 months, without objection from Roy Cooper. Google has also removed that site from some of its search results, although Google falsely claims that its search results are objective, the result of a computer algorithm. If Cooper has not objected to my site, why should the Big Three search engines? While Yahoo and Microsoft ranked my NC site in the top 20 when searching "Attorney General Roy Cooper" Google removed it from any of its 638 search results. Why? Google has been negotiating, succesfully, for over $200 million in economic incentives to build a new facility in NC. Google is slick, Google is dishonest, Google is evil! Chris Langdon Google is evil, although Google’s motto is to do no evil. They have explained the motto as a desire to do good. Google excuses its censorship in China by stating that China is better off with Google’s presence. The truth is, if Google weren’t available in China, the Chinese people would still have Microsoft’s “Live” and Yahoo to provide them with censored information. Google’s Brin stated that they were having second thoughts about agreeing to Chinese Communist censorship and might leave the Chinese market. I pointed out on my website, http://www.chinaisevil.com, that itw as a ploy. Brin first made those comments when in Washington and the so-called net neutrality issue was before Congress. He was simply attempting to defelect criticism from Congressman who were critical of Google’s censorship. In truth, Google was never considering pulling out of China. At the time that Brin made his comments, Google was expanding
its workforce in China. Brin is a tricky devil. the media believes him because he wears jeans and a t-shirt, instaed of a coat and tie.
The point I am making, is that Google censors in America, in order to appease the Chinese Communists. They, and Yahho and Live won’t allow me to advertise my site in America.
They also won’t allow me to advertise my other website, http://www.ncjusticefraud.com, in the US. That site accuses the NC Attorney General, Roy Cooper, of perpetarting fraud on the US Supreme Court. It has been in existence for 16 months, without objection from Roy Cooper.
Google has also removed that site from some of its search results, although Google falsely claims that its search results are objective, the result of a computer algorithm. If Cooper has not objected to my site, why should the Big Three search engines?
While Yahoo and Microsoft ranked my NC site in the top 20 when searching “Attorney General Roy Cooper” Google removed it from any of its 638 search results. Why? Google has been negotiating, succesfully, for over $200 million in economic incentives to build a new facility in NC.
Google is slick, Google is dishonest, Google is evil!

Chris Langdon

]]> By: to Taiwanese, Non-Chinese http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-890967 to Taiwanese, Non-Chinese Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:00:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-890967 To most Chinese, gradual change is preferrable to open revolt. Some Chinese are nationalist, but most are patriots. They realize their country's faults and prefer to see an accountable and just Chinese government. However, they will also defend their nation's sovereignty because, as corrupt and oppressive their government is, it is often their only voice to the rest of the world. "Taiwanese, Non-Chinese", it is easy to generalize an entire population because of the difficulty in understanding the magnitude of China. If you speak with more Chinese, you will realize that most Chinese are not brainwashed and ignorant. To most Chinese, gradual change is preferrable to open revolt. Some Chinese are nationalist, but most are patriots. They realize their country’s faults and prefer to see an accountable and just Chinese government. However, they will also defend their nation’s sovereignty because, as corrupt and oppressive their government is, it is often their only voice to the rest of the world. “Taiwanese, Non-Chinese”, it is easy to generalize an entire population because of the difficulty in understanding the magnitude of China. If you speak with more Chinese, you will realize that most Chinese are not brainwashed and ignorant.

]]> By: Taiwanese, Non-Chinese http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-862095 Taiwanese, Non-Chinese Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:16:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-862095 to #118 Come try me, you lousy coward! to #120 I will. No matter who wants to attack Taiwan, I definitely will go fight for Taiwan. to other evil chinese If you can not answer the questions directly, why not just shut up and just say something like #118. 'Coz that's the only thing you can talk. How many chinese guys can have the rights to go aboard to take the high level education. And, how many of such lucky guys chose go back china without having GREEN CARD or other countries' passport? You chinese guys always emphasize that china is a great country, but who's treating people out there, who's killing its own country men, and the most important thing is who are enjoying and are proud of such evil things. Western style (or US style if you prefer) is not a perfect system, but at least people always have the chance to TRY! Yes, to try only, and can not guarantee it will work. That's what Taiwanese want, and it's also the reason why Taiwanese DON'T want to be part of china. No freedom to talk, no freedom to believe, no freedom to choose what religion I like, and definitely have no freedom to ASK/CRITICISE why the country leader like Hu Jintao, Jiang Zemin cna have so little salary and have such luxury lives. We Taiwanese just know why 'coz we've been thru that kind of lives with Chiang Kai-shek, and we are so fed-up with such foolish SAVER-like LIVING GOD. Seems you chinese are still pretty enjoying that kind of life, so just keep it that way. When someday you found you've tried your best and still got nothing, and suddenly you also found Jiang's children & Hu's chideren haven't done anything and just become some god damn rich people. BIG BIG BIG congratulations to you! Enjoy that day, and I wish you still can embrace it with big big laugh. to #118

Come try me, you lousy coward!

to #120

I will. No matter who wants to attack Taiwan, I definitely will go fight for Taiwan.

to other evil chinese

If you can not answer the questions directly, why not just shut up and just say something like #118. ‘Coz that’s the only thing you can talk.

How many chinese guys can have the rights to go aboard to take the high level education. And, how many of such lucky guys chose go back china without having GREEN CARD or other countries’ passport? You chinese guys always emphasize that china is a great country, but who’s treating people out there, who’s killing its own country men, and the most important thing is who are enjoying and are proud of such evil things.

Western style (or US style if you prefer) is not a perfect system, but at least people always have the chance to TRY! Yes, to try only, and can not guarantee it will work. That’s what Taiwanese want, and it’s also the reason why Taiwanese DON’T want to be part of china. No freedom to talk, no freedom to believe, no freedom to choose what religion I like, and definitely have no freedom to ASK/CRITICISE why the country leader like Hu Jintao, Jiang Zemin cna have so little salary and have such luxury lives.

We Taiwanese just know why ‘coz we’ve been thru that kind of lives with Chiang Kai-shek, and we are so fed-up with such foolish SAVER-like LIVING GOD. Seems you chinese are still pretty enjoying that kind of life, so just keep it that way. When someday you found you’ve tried your best and still got nothing, and suddenly you also found Jiang’s children & Hu’s chideren haven’t done anything and just become some god damn rich people. BIG BIG BIG congratulations to you! Enjoy that day, and I wish you still can embrace it with big big laugh.

]]> By: to Jason http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858558 to Jason Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:57:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858558 Hi Jason, Why is it that everytime a group of guys try to present Falun Gong's beliefs on Wikipedia in a neutral manner, a group of so-called Falun Gong "practioners" come and vandalize the site? Why is it Falun Gong members are so intolerant of even the slightest hint of criticism? Jason, please be honest and tell us who you are being paid by. Do you even know? Hi Jason,

Why is it that everytime a group of guys try to present Falun Gong’s beliefs on Wikipedia in a neutral manner, a group of so-called Falun Gong “practioners” come and vandalize the site? Why is it Falun Gong members are so intolerant of even the slightest hint of criticism? Jason, please be honest and tell us who you are being paid by. Do you even know?

]]> By: to the others http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858482 to the others Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:43:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858482 To anyone who so vehemently defends Taiwan's sovereign right, I suggest enlisting in a branch of the U.S. military instead of playing armchair philosopher. If you find such ventures impossible, then perhaps you can fly to Beijing and protest there. Find the courage to back up your words or find some more constructive criticism. To anyone who so vehemently defends Taiwan’s sovereign right, I suggest enlisting in a branch of the U.S. military instead of playing armchair philosopher. If you find such ventures impossible, then perhaps you can fly to Beijing and protest there. Find the courage to back up your words or find some more constructive criticism.

]]> By: to Taiwanese, Non-Chinese http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858437 to Taiwanese, Non-Chinese Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:36:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-858437 If you profess not to be a coward, then I am sure you will be the first to join the Taiwanese army at the event of a war, right? I am sure you are, by the force of your convictions, willing and ready to die to defend Taiwan and "freedom". I am also sure you are not just some loud-mouthed kid with a narrow perspective and a polarized worldview, hiding behind a monitor. Are my assumptions correct, o great patriot? If you profess not to be a coward, then I am sure you will be the first to join the Taiwanese army at the event of a war, right? I am sure you are, by the force of your convictions, willing and ready to die to defend Taiwan and “freedom”. I am also sure you are not just some loud-mouthed kid with a narrow perspective and a polarized worldview, hiding behind a monitor. Are my assumptions correct, o great patriot?

]]> By: Alan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-857514 Alan Sat, 03 Feb 2007 05:05:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-857514 I am not a defender of the Chinese government, nor do I find their policies regarding internet censorship tasteful. However, I and most other sensible Chinese find Western critiques against the CCP to be highly hypocritical. Another sentiment shared amongst us Chinese is that it's simply none of your business. And although Google has consented to censors, more Chinese are better able to seek out information because of the company's presence. I find it amusing that the positive sides to stories are seldom told when they concern the Chinese government. Regarding the Falun Gong: If I were to ask you to tell me some of their more controversial teachings, would you be able to? And if I were to further ask you to elaborate on their political agendas, would you be at a lost? Have you ever asked yourself how a group of mostly impoverished Chinese expatriates are able to afford the publishing and maintenance of a nation-wide anti-Chinese newspaper? Did you know that even the Green Party is unable to afford such a luxury? Makes you think, doesn't it. I am not a defender of the Chinese government, nor do I find their policies regarding internet censorship tasteful. However, I and most other sensible Chinese find Western critiques against the CCP to be highly hypocritical. Another sentiment shared amongst us Chinese is that it’s simply none of your business. And although Google has consented to censors, more Chinese are better able to seek out information because of the company’s presence. I find it amusing that the positive sides to stories are seldom told when they concern the Chinese government.

Regarding the Falun Gong: If I were to ask you to tell me some of their more controversial teachings, would you be able to? And if I were to further ask you to elaborate on their political agendas, would you be at a lost? Have you ever asked yourself how a group of mostly impoverished Chinese expatriates are able to afford the publishing and maintenance of a nation-wide anti-Chinese newspaper? Did you know that even the Green Party is unable to afford such a luxury? Makes you think, doesn’t it.

]]> By: SkyLanD http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-856746 SkyLanD Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:11:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-856746 Taiwanese, Non-Chinese , when we attack tw, you will be the first lucky man to be killed... Taiwanese, Non-Chinese , when we attack tw, you will be the first lucky man to be killed…

]]> By: empress dowager @ ur service Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-849413 empress dowager @ ur service Chris Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:40:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-849413 hey, for the fun of it alright? bloated ego? i died a long time ago. maybe i'm a reincarnation. my throne is open. feel free. :) I know what you're getting at. Let me see what can I contribute today...hmmm. <i>Chavez was just given dictatorial powers.</i> - Who gave him? China? <i>We sold out the anti-Communist Chinese after WWII.</i> - What did the US get after selling the anti-Communist Chinese? Am not sure what you're referring here. <i>Doesn’t it bother anyone that the Communist Chinese use economic fear to effectively censor ads in America. There are cowards running the Big Three Search Engines.</i> - What if you're in their shoes - Any of the Big 3. What would you do? Are you sure it's only China using economic fear? How about US embargoes to countries it deemed evil? Let's take Cuba [discussion referred here is economic sanctions, not other things]. What happened there? Where did she turn to? Venezuela. Evil is everywhere to a varying degree, manifested in many ways. Pointing at one is futile, an endless debate. <b>some personal insights</b>: I suggest you publish a book if your site is all historical facts. It would widen your fight. Just a suggestion though. Now your problem would be a publisher who is not a coward. At least you have a site. They allowed you to have your thoughts published. Isn't this something? Lesser evil perhaps. I believe in freedom and all the hullaballoos that goes with it. As in history, a fight doesn't end now. Only the next generation can judge what a great person you've been in fighting for human rights. As for me, I'm inviting you to an open house come Chinese New Year. I may introduce my earthly name. I hope you'll find what you're looking for. Chill! hey, for the fun of it alright? bloated ego? i died a long time ago. maybe i’m a reincarnation. my throne is open. feel free. :)

I know what you’re getting at. Let me see what can I contribute today…hmmm.

Chavez was just given dictatorial powers. - Who gave him? China?

We sold out the anti-Communist Chinese after WWII. - What did the US get after selling the anti-Communist Chinese? Am not sure what you’re referring here.

Doesn’t it bother anyone that the Communist Chinese use economic fear to effectively censor ads in America. There are cowards running the Big Three Search Engines. - What if you’re in their shoes - Any of the Big 3. What would you do? Are you sure it’s only China using economic fear? How about US embargoes to countries it deemed evil? Let’s take Cuba [discussion referred here is economic sanctions, not other things]. What happened there? Where did she turn to? Venezuela. Evil is everywhere to a varying degree, manifested in many ways. Pointing at one is futile, an endless debate.

some personal insights: I suggest you publish a book if your site is all historical facts. It would widen your fight. Just a suggestion though. Now your problem would be a publisher who is not a coward. At least you have a site. They allowed you to have your thoughts published. Isn’t this something? Lesser evil perhaps.

I believe in freedom and all the hullaballoos that goes with it. As in history, a fight doesn’t end now. Only the next generation can judge what a great person you’ve been in fighting for human rights.

As for me, I’m inviting you to an open house come Chinese New Year. I may introduce my earthly name. I hope you’ll find what you’re looking for. Chill!

]]> By: Chairman Mao would be proud http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-845150 Chairman Mao would be proud Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:04:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-845150 Chairman Mao, whose lovely resume includes killing millions of his own people, was obviously successful in teaching this lesson to his followers: "It's ok to kill your own people." Let's examine some juicy comments from China: #104: "I can tell you 98% of the mainlanders (Chinese) will not tolerate the independence of Taiwan!" #67: "Taiwanese is Chinese, or you will taste our missiles." So, their logic is: Taiwanese people are basically Chinese, but if they don't believe what we believe, we will rain missiles on them and kill them. Do not doubt the cruelty of Chinese Communists. Chairman Mao, whose lovely resume includes killing millions of his own people, was obviously successful in teaching this lesson to his followers: “It’s ok to kill your own people.”

Let’s examine some juicy comments from China:

#104: “I can tell you 98% of the mainlanders (Chinese) will not tolerate the independence of Taiwan!”

#67: “Taiwanese is Chinese, or you will taste our missiles.”

So, their logic is: Taiwanese people are basically Chinese, but if they don’t believe what we believe, we will rain missiles on them and kill them.

Do not doubt the cruelty of Chinese Communists.

]]> By: Taiwanese, Non-Chinese http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-844097 Taiwanese, Non-Chinese Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:29:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-844097 to 104 Genghis Khan's descendants ruled China for almost 100 years. If Taiwan EVER belonged to China and should keep it that way, China is a part of Mongolia. Get it, MORON! Go read some books. Oh... sorry about that, I forgot Chinese just can read what Mao said. What a free country, and wonderful land! Once again, did you really know what and why Lincoln did at that time? Lincoln did it for FREE the African American (of course not using this term at that time). And, what Chinese / PRC do is to force Taiwanese to accept Taiwan is part of China and Taiwanese are Chinese. If you guys really enjoy doing so, why not also make Singapore a part of China 'coz Singaporean are Chinese ethnically. No matter how many examples you named it, why not just answer couple simple questions like: CAN CHINESE CRITICISE POLITICAL ISSUES FREELY IN PUBLIC (including the press), CAN CHINESE PEOPLE HAVE REAL FREEDOM ON RELIGIONS, CAN CHINESE PEOPLE MOVE FREELY SUCH AS FROM DONGGUAN TO BEIJING??? Oh... too difficult? How about the easiest one, why Google SHOULD FILTER some "Sensitive" terms? Answer the questions DIRECTLY, FACE IT!!! Don't be COWARDS, CHICKENS, the GREAT chinese guys. hahaha... to 104

Genghis Khan’s descendants ruled China for almost 100 years. If Taiwan EVER belonged to China and should keep it that way, China is a part of Mongolia. Get it, MORON! Go read some books. Oh… sorry about that, I forgot Chinese just can read what Mao said. What a free country, and wonderful land!

Once again, did you really know what and why Lincoln did at that time? Lincoln did it for FREE the African American (of course not using this term at that time). And, what Chinese / PRC do is to force Taiwanese to accept Taiwan is part of China and Taiwanese are Chinese. If you guys really enjoy doing so, why not also make Singapore a part of China ‘coz Singaporean are Chinese ethnically.

No matter how many examples you named it, why not just answer couple simple questions like: CAN CHINESE CRITICISE POLITICAL ISSUES FREELY IN PUBLIC (including the press), CAN CHINESE PEOPLE HAVE REAL FREEDOM ON RELIGIONS, CAN CHINESE PEOPLE MOVE FREELY SUCH AS FROM DONGGUAN TO BEIJING???

Oh… too difficult? How about the easiest one, why Google SHOULD FILTER some “Sensitive” terms?

Answer the questions DIRECTLY, FACE IT!!! Don’t be COWARDS, CHICKENS, the GREAT chinese guys. hahaha…

]]> By: Chris Langdon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-841377 Chris Langdon Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:13:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-841377 P.S. To the Empress dowager- Google allows companies to advertise that accuse President Bush of treason, murder and of being the Son of Satan. (I didn't vore for him, but those accusations are ridiculous and un-supportable). My website, www.chinaisevil.com, is composed of historical facts. Google, Yahoo and Microsoft have never stated why they won't allow me to advertise, because there is no legitimate reason for them not to. They have never disputed any of the facts on my website. They would rather spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting me in court (see Langdon v. Google) rather than allowing me to advertsie. Why? Because they don't want to offend their Communist friends. A columnist for the Chicago Sun Times said he didn't beleive me when I told him og Google's censorship of my ads. I told him to Just search "Langdon v. Google" on Yahoo, Google and Live and see the results. He never responded. Doesn't it bother anyone that the Communist Chinese use economic fear to effectively censor ads in America. There are cowards running the Big Three Search Engines. Chris Langdon P.S. To the Empress dowager- Google allows companies to advertise that accuse President Bush of treason, murder and of being the Son of Satan.
(I didn’t vore for him, but those accusations are ridiculous and un-supportable).
My website, http://www.chinaisevil.com, is composed of historical facts. Google, Yahoo and Microsoft have never stated why they won’t allow me to advertise, because there is no legitimate reason for them not to. They have never disputed any of the facts on my website. They would rather spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting me in court (see Langdon v. Google) rather than allowing me to advertsie. Why? Because they don’t want to offend their Communist friends.
A columnist for the Chicago Sun Times said he didn’t beleive me when I told him og Google’s censorship of my ads. I told him to Just search “Langdon v. Google” on Yahoo, Google and Live and see the results. He never responded.
Doesn’t it bother anyone that the Communist Chinese use economic fear to effectively censor ads in America. There are cowards running the Big Three Search Engines.

Chris Langdon

]]> By: Chris Langdon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-841280 Chris Langdon Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:58:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-841280 It's difficult to respond to the self-described "empress dowager." Her asumed name alone suggests a bloated ego. I am not opposed to all Chinese people, only the Chinese Communist govt. Mao Tse Tung was the greates mass murdered in history. The thugs who have succeeded him are the greatest long term threat to world peace today. Just recently they tested an anti-satellite weapon. They butchered over 70 peaceful protesters. They support Iran, Cuba, and Chavez in Venezuala. Chavez was just given dictatorial powers. Conservatives and liberals are mostly silenton China's human right's abuses.Communist China has threatened war against us if we defend Taiwan, where there is much more freedom than in Communist China. We sold out the anti-Communist Chinese after WWII. Will we sell them out again? Will that make the "empress dowager" happy? Chris Langdon, qiology@aol.com It’s difficult to respond to the self-described “empress dowager.” Her asumed name alone suggests a bloated ego. I am not opposed to all Chinese people, only the Chinese Communist govt. Mao Tse Tung was the greates mass murdered in history. The thugs who have succeeded him are the greatest long term threat to world peace today. Just recently they tested an anti-satellite weapon. They butchered over 70 peaceful protesters. They support Iran, Cuba, and Chavez in Venezuala. Chavez was just given dictatorial powers. Conservatives and liberals are mostly silenton China’s human right’s abuses.Communist China has threatened war against us if we defend Taiwan, where there is much more freedom than in Communist China. We sold out the anti-Communist Chinese after WWII. Will we sell them out again? Will that make the “empress dowager” happy?

Chris Langdon, qiology@aol.com

]]> By: Vincent Maher - Media in Transition http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-840660 Vincent Maher - Media in Transition Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:40:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-840660 <strong>Michael Arrington finally gets off the fence about Google in China...</strong> On Sunday Michael Arrington of TechCrunch finally came out and criticized, in a post called Google and China and Evilness, Google’s decision to expand into China, co-operate with the Chinese government and censor their search results for the Chin... Michael Arrington finally gets off the fence about Google in China…

On Sunday Michael Arrington of TechCrunch finally came out and criticized, in a post called Google and China and Evilness, Google’s decision to expand into China, co-operate with the Chinese government and censor their search results for the Chin…

]]> By: Cat http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-839496 Cat Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:25:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/27/google-and-china-and-evilness/#comment-839496 Chinese search engines involve segmentation, which English search engines do not. Unfortunately, Google is not very good at segmentation. When you try to search with some Chinese keywords on Google, it may returns some high pagerank low relevant results. Learning how to select keywords is just like learning computer programming languages. Baidu's way is easy to learn, because you can use natural language to search, without manual segmentation. Google's way is harder to learn, and better results with manual segmentation. That's why only advanced users would like to use Google in China. TechCrunch is a good tech site. Please try to explain something on business level or tech level first, and then the more complicated political level. Chinese search engines involve segmentation, which English search engines do not. Unfortunately, Google is not very good at segmentation. When you try to search with some Chinese keywords on Google, it may returns some high pagerank low relevant results.

Learning how to select keywords is just like learning computer programming languages. Baidu’s way is easy to learn, because you can use natural language to search, without manual segmentation. Google’s way is harder to learn, and better results with manual segmentation. That’s why only advanced users would like to use Google in China.

TechCrunch is a good tech site. Please try to explain something on business level or tech level first, and then the more complicated political level.

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