Comments on: Google Tags and Labels http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:56:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Avatar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-768171 Avatar Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:52:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-768171 oh, and even if people think they are the very same thing, they are not, i will explain that very briefly and soundly: 1.-keyword = the search query done in a database that will bring you matched for it. 2..-Tag : and id atribute that is referenced in term of context and cross contextuality.. when you search in technorati, who uses the tags in their best base, they will search for the context of that search giving you results on WHO has tagged a text witch such a word, and the way thing get valued are on such contextuality and folksonomy that is the overall linking network of users that are using such identificated word.. 3.-Label: it works as a keyword, but the true reason is called a LABEL is because it serves as a post id, that is only reflected to what is in the database that is searched, there is no contextuality whatsoever.. YES they almost the same from first impression, but that ALMOST is what makes all the difference.... ;) PHEW, that would be all... oh, and even if people think they are the very same thing, they are not, i will explain that very briefly and soundly:

1.-keyword = the search query done in a database that will bring you matched for it.

2..-Tag : and id atribute that is referenced in term of context and cross contextuality..

when you search in technorati, who uses the tags in their best base, they will search for the context of that search giving you results on WHO has tagged a text witch such a word, and the way thing get valued are on such contextuality and folksonomy that is the overall linking network of users that are using such identificated word..

3.-Label:

it works as a keyword, but the true reason is called a LABEL is because it serves as a post id, that is only reflected to what is in the database that is searched, there is no contextuality whatsoever..

YES they almost the same from first impression, but that ALMOST is what makes all the difference…. ;)

PHEW, that would be all…

]]> By: Avatar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-768125 Avatar Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:44:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-768125 i already know that most really don´t care about nomenclature or proper web semantics.. the problem with the way google manages is not a problem in Gmail since the term Label is used correctly since it is about the search keyword and a filter id keyword for incoming e-mail. The problem is how it is done ine Blogger, Blogger labels are suppsedly used as categories, and they do serve in the same way they work in gmail, however they have added something that also makes them tags with is atribute, so they get abused and overdone.. labels should not contain cross contextuality as a tag does. So, the thing that this causes is that people goes overboard with the number of categories they place because they know that as they also work as tags, they treat them more as tags than as labels.... Google is actually disrupting the web semantics and causing a tag overkill.. as if they were not abused enough.. Blogger should have a separate Tag system... PERIOD in the rest of cases, the other google labs apps, they are being used properly.. the only problem relies on Blogger.. I know no one will care but, i have a thing for those kind of niggles. i already know that most really don´t care about nomenclature or proper web semantics.. the problem with the way google manages is not a problem in Gmail since the term Label is used correctly since it is about the search keyword and a filter id keyword for incoming e-mail.

The problem is how it is done ine Blogger, Blogger labels are suppsedly used as categories, and they do serve in the same way they work in gmail, however they have added something that also makes them tags with is atribute, so they get abused and overdone.. labels should not contain cross contextuality as a tag does.

So, the thing that this causes is that people goes overboard with the number of categories they place because they know that as they also work as tags, they treat them more as tags than as labels….

Google is actually disrupting the web semantics and causing a tag overkill..
as if they were not abused enough..

Blogger should have a separate Tag system… PERIOD

in the rest of cases, the other google labs apps, they are being used properly.. the only problem relies on Blogger..

I know no one will care but, i have a thing for those kind of niggles.

]]> By: [kbox] http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-767783 [kbox] Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:35:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-767783 1. Everybody uses tags 2. google uses labels 3. everybody else starts using labels. 4. Google claims to have invented it 5. ??????? 6 PROFIT!!! 1. Everybody uses tags
2. google uses labels
3. everybody else starts using labels.
4. Google claims to have invented it
5. ???????
6 PROFIT!!!

]]> By: dep http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-767554 dep Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:55:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-767554 Agreed. I wish, though, that Gmail would study some of the social bookmarking sites (del.icio.us, for instance) to see ways that they could better integrate "tagging" in to gmail. Agreed. I wish, though, that Gmail would study some of the social bookmarking sites (del.icio.us, for instance) to see ways that they could better integrate “tagging” in to gmail.

]]> By: C'est moi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-765139 C'est moi Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:28:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-765139 btw, Picasa uses the name "keywords", not "labels" or "tags". Just select a picture and press Ctrl-K. I think it would be better to just call them "tags" everywhere. btw, Picasa uses the name “keywords”, not “labels” or “tags”. Just select a picture and press Ctrl-K.

I think it would be better to just call them “tags” everywhere.

]]> By: PJ http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-763178 PJ Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:45:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-763178 I suggest that Google has made a conscious distinction between tags and labels. Where as labels are pre-established "categories" with persistent lifespan attached to your account, tags are ad-hoc "per item" keywords, with a more social connotation (used to allow OTHERS to find content). Hopefully, no one ELSE is searching on my "LABELS" in Gmail to find things! I suggest that Google has made a conscious distinction between tags and labels. Where as labels are pre-established “categories” with persistent lifespan attached to your account, tags are ad-hoc “per item” keywords, with a more social connotation (used to allow OTHERS to find content).

Hopefully, no one ELSE is searching on my “LABELS” in Gmail to find things!

]]> By: Jon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761579 Jon Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:41:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761579 Agreed - Google Reader is superb, apart from the inconsistency and confusion with labels and tags. They do need some continuity with the other g apps. Agreed - Google Reader is superb, apart from the inconsistency and confusion with labels and tags. They do need some continuity with the other g apps.

]]> By: Peter http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761488 Peter Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:58:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761488 whoever is leading the tagging thought efforts have done a woeful job in defining what, exactly, a tag is. nobody outside of the TC cool kids has any idea what a tag is. this is the root cause of continued confusion surrounding tagging. in gmail - it's important to choose the correct terminology because we need to know how to use gmail. the term 'label' does not make any sense. labeling something is not categorizing it - it's identifying some product/idea/thing specifically - not in general terms. so, is a 'label' a 'tag', and vice-versa? no idea. whoever is leading the tagging thought efforts have done a woeful job in defining what, exactly, a tag is. nobody outside of the TC cool kids has any idea what a tag is. this is the root cause of continued confusion surrounding tagging.

in gmail - it’s important to choose the correct terminology because we need to know how to use gmail. the term ‘label’ does not make any sense. labeling something is not categorizing it - it’s identifying some product/idea/thing specifically - not in general terms. so, is a ‘label’ a ‘tag’, and vice-versa? no idea.

]]> By: jilm http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761403 jilm Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:17:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761403 Google Video has switched from labels to tags, I think it´s a trend at Google. Google Video has switched from labels to tags, I think it´s a trend at Google.

]]> By: Eric Cranston http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761326 Eric Cranston Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:33:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761326 Tags and Labels are different. Think about a physical folder, would you tag it? No, you'd label it. Tags and Labels are different. Think about a physical folder, would you tag it? No, you’d label it.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761308 Andrew Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:23:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761308 I noticed this from the get-go. Google would rather connect with non techies and the word "label" is more understandable than a word like "tag." I noticed this from the get-go. Google would rather connect with non techies and the word “label” is more understandable than a word like “tag.”

]]> By: JC John SESE Cuneta http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761092 JC John SESE Cuneta Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:30:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761092 I actually said the same thing about it in my different blogs since last year and it is only getting worse every patch and product they introduce. Google Reader for example. After patching the new GUI, all previous tags/labels were suddenly changed to "folders" and so I have to redo everything to keep things simpler and manageable. The new Google Reader mixes "folders" and "tags" and lists both in the left-pane menu, which makes the menu useless because it becomes chaotic with the overcrowding of repetitive stuff. :/ I actually said the same thing about it in my different blogs since last year and it is only getting worse every patch and product they introduce.

Google Reader for example. After patching the new GUI, all previous tags/labels were suddenly changed to “folders” and so I have to redo everything to keep things simpler and manageable.

The new Google Reader mixes “folders” and “tags” and lists both in the left-pane menu, which makes the menu useless because it becomes chaotic with the overcrowding of repetitive stuff. :/

]]> By: jesirose http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761018 jesirose Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:57:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-761018 "Also in Google Reader, there is no way to combine two or more “tags” as one could in Del.icio.us. I personally don’t see much value in that." Yes there is, you just select the ones you want from the drop down. Although in Reader sometimes they're tags and sometimes "folders". “Also in Google Reader, there is no way to combine two or more “tags” as one could in Del.icio.us. I personally don’t see much value in that.”

Yes there is, you just select the ones you want from the drop down. Although in Reader sometimes they’re tags and sometimes “folders”.

]]> By: Heloo http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760971 Heloo Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:44:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760971 I dunno, in gmail at least, label's also act as folders, whereas tag's are just that, I don't really use them as folders. Although you have captured my feelings towards this issue perfectly, who cares, and why does it really matter? I dunno, in gmail at least, label’s also act as folders, whereas tag’s are just that, I don’t really use them as folders.

Although you have captured my feelings towards this issue perfectly, who cares, and why does it really matter?

]]> By: Venkat http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760896 Venkat Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:19:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760896 Also in Google Reader, there is no way to combine two or more "tags" as one could in Del.icio.us. I personally don't see much value in that. Also in Google Reader, there is no way to combine two or more “tags” as one could in Del.icio.us. I personally don’t see much value in that.

]]> By: ipanema http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760831 ipanema Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:05:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760831 I prefer to call it tags. Anyway, it doesn't matter whether it's called otherwise. :) I prefer to call it tags. Anyway, it doesn’t matter whether it’s called otherwise. :)

]]> By: leandra darcy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760829 leandra darcy Sun, 21 Jan 2007 04:05:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760829 its about product groups not communicating and a lack of overall site er um oversight. in addition to a lack of process around developing and launching products in a consistent manner. if there is a public/private differentiation here, its unnecessary and the intent isn't clear...so what's the point? its about product groups not communicating and a lack of overall site er um oversight. in addition to a lack of process around developing and launching products in a consistent manner. if there is a public/private differentiation here, its unnecessary and the intent isn’t clear…so what’s the point?

]]> By: Zoli Erdos http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760355 Zoli Erdos Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:34:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760355 In the newer Picasa versions what used to be <a href="http://picasa.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=43593&query=labels+albums&topic=&type=" rel="nofollow">labels are called albums</a>. In the newer Picasa versions what used to be labels are called albums.

]]> By: tre http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760159 tre Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:52:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-760159 not obvious or intuitive but there is consistency: tags are public, labels are private not obvious or intuitive but there is consistency: tags are public, labels are private

]]> By: Sean http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759778 Sean Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:41:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759778 It annoys me to a small degree. Consistency is a good thing. Although I do think the term "labels" is pretty crappy. People complain that un-savvy folks don't "get" tags, well the term "labels" doesn't make things any better. It annoys me to a small degree. Consistency is a good thing. Although I do think the term “labels” is pretty crappy. People complain that un-savvy folks don’t “get” tags, well the term “labels” doesn’t make things any better.

]]> By: Google Reader user http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759727 Google Reader user Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759727 In Google Reader, folders are for feeds and tags are for individual posts. In Google Reader, folders are for feeds and tags are for individual posts.

]]> By: Rajiv http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759665 Rajiv Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:18:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759665 Google Reader is even worse... terms are confused within the application. In the reading interface they are displayed like "folders". In Settings> Subscriptions, it has you add subscriptions to folders, "Change folders...". However, then it has Settings> Tags, which lists those "folders". Google Reader is even worse… terms are confused within the application. In the reading interface they are displayed like “folders”. In Settings> Subscriptions, it has you add subscriptions to folders, “Change folders…”. However, then it has Settings> Tags, which lists those “folders”.

]]> By: gaypal http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759657 gaypal Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:16:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759657 wawipops :) wawipops :)

]]> By: Christopher Sisk http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759651 Christopher Sisk Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:15:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759651 "I'm gonna frog this email as 'Business'" “I’m gonna frog this email as ‘Business’”

]]> By: Pranav http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759637 Pranav Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:12:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/20/google-tags-and-labels/#comment-759637 The trends have already been set and google has no monopoly on trend setting. I'm not saying they SHOULD use the term "tag". but I disagree that if they do something all should just obey. Except for the search engine and a few other things, google is no trendsetter - they have either bought or replicated others innovations and trends. heh, just today, they now have an exact copy of the yahoo's also try feature - see: http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_suggesting_keyphrases_to_searchers The trends have already been set and google has no monopoly on trend setting. I’m not saying they SHOULD use the term “tag”. but I disagree that if they do something all should just obey. Except for the search engine and a few other things, google is no trendsetter - they have either bought or replicated others innovations and trends.

heh, just today, they now have an exact copy of the yahoo’s also try feature - see: http://digg.com/tech_news/Goog....._searchers

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