I think this is really awesome! The flash work is pretty cool.

I love the concept, what a great tool to help budding musicians. But really can do with a model, were users can also go and buy the track!!

Cheers

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I built this related site a couple of weekends ago: http://www.fandalism.com

It mostly sucks, but is useful for hosting music.

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- pud

Nice clean layout. I like it.

A digg clone: $0 (Pligg software)
An Odeo clone: $0 (Red5 software)

Making a website to pretend you’re a somebody: Priceless.

There are somethings in life that are priceless. For everything else, it’s free.

This is exactly like Epitaph’s “Demolition,” which has been online for many years:
http://www.epitaph.com/demolition/

Bands post their songs and the top-rated ones float to the top.

It is easily gamed.

I doubt eMusic and others will choose the Amie St. model. First because indie labels won’t agree (only unsigned artists could be OK I guess), and second, because even if it’s a good model on a marketing/commercial approach (offer and demand), it isn’t in a customer approach… iTunes is much simpler than that with a 0.99$ price and that made their success ?

Mike, are you involved (financially) in Amie St ? If not, you should, as you always talk about them when you’re talking about music downloads…

The fact that you have to actually upload an mp3 rather than posting a link to a page where it is streamed is a big minus.
Imagine that you had to save an article you found on the web as a doc file and then upload it in order to digg it… come on…

“The fact that you have to actually upload an mp3 rather than posting a link to a page where it is streamed is a big minus.
Imagine that you had to save an article you found on the web as a doc file and then upload it in order to digg it… come on…”

That’s to save the bandwidth of the original file location. The site is being quite responsible and is not leeching others bandwidth. Imagine somebody links to your file on there and it becomes exceptionally popular. Digg effect style. They could be charged for a lot of excessive bandwidth because of this. Jigg are giving them exposure AND saving them money that way. Excellent

What about http://www.sellaband.com ? I am totally in love with this concept and already 2 bands made their $ 50.000 target to make a CD, made possible by fans!

I love its clean & simple UI and the ability to embed its player almost anywhere, including Facebook. The service was also fast when I first uploaded my file. In my opinion, Great product 10/10.

Best,
Mohamed

Michael, we didn’t even submit our site hoping to do it when we put in the next update and see some more traction.

I know you’re saying “ungreatful guy”–thanks for covering us:)

What you’re seeing is closer to a very simple prototype(1 developer, 3 months) than all the stuff we have planned for iJigg.

Btw I think having that one bit on French Techcrunch really is helping us spread in Europe. We’ve more reviews in Spanish and French it seems than English. Wierd but welcome aboard my European friends:)

–Zaid

Interesting how non-English traffic can be different from American traffic. It’s a different blogosphere.

Like Daily Motion… it’s the French Youtube, which means you can show softcore porn.
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I play a web game, Hyperiums, with 4000 players paying $15 a year. It’s more than half European and usually turns into everyone attacking the French. The design and communication features are stuck in the 20th century.

I would pay for a browser based text game with modern social networking.

Web 2.0?

Too bad I can’t seem to be able to upload music using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20070104 Red Hat/1.0.7-0.6.fc5 SeaMonkey/1.0.7

Noori, fixing issues on Linux is still on our todo-list.

-Zaid

This is pretty impressive for only 1 developer and 3 months.

Zaid…”What you’re seeing is closer to a very simple prototype(1 developer, 3 months) than all the stuff we have planned for iJigg.”

Looking forward to what comes next.

Jason

Cool.

But there are several problems with this:
1) I see no references being made to a band’s website or download store etc. What does this do for artists if that’s the case - seems a bit short-sighted
2) Just the fact that music is made available does not make it interesting. What is the CONTEXT - the Relevance? Unlike Digg, people would need to spend a lot more time rating and commenting on MUSIC, and I don’t think they will do that here (at least, not hugely so).
3) I could not get my uploads to work, and the streaming seems unreliable. Why would I want to put that kind if widget on my website?
4) Not that it matters for the purpose of this discussion, or that it is an issue I would want to pound away on, but allowing people to upload their own music (regardless of ownership) and then streaming it to everyone is basically not legal unless you are licensed for it. This is called ‘interactive webcasting’ and is subject to both a license from record label (which is not easy to get), and to a payment for public performance of the composition (which is doable). This means that these kinds of apps (and there are many others) will not really scale in any legal context, i.e. you can use it if you want to but Blogger or Flickr would not endorse it. Then, again, it’s the music industry that is to blame for not offering a legal version of this. Always the same paradox!
Gerd Leonhard http://www.sonific.com http://www.gerdleonhard.net

Gerd, many of the points you raise are being addressed in the next update.

As far as uploads, are you on a mac? We’re having few issues for upload on it.

Why put this widget? Ask Mike - he puts up widgets all the time on TalkCrunch:)

-Zaid

ThanX , it took less that a minute to register, and about a minute to upload the first song. Hi quality sound.

Zaid, what is your take on the legal position of ijigg. Are you licensed?

Gerd, we only want music from folks who own that music which should keep us out of legal troubles. Obviously there will be abuses in the future and we’ve setup DMCA procedures to handle that.

-Zaid

To have super clarity: by own I mean own whatever rights they need to put that music on a site.:)

Zaid, ok, figured that - but you know that people will upload all kinds of music here, and virtually none of it will be OWNED (in the sense of created) by them. I mean, if you wanted to make sure it was actually the rightsholders who put their own music up at your site, you wouldn’t have anyone using it - sadly.

And as to the DMCA and the safe harbour provision: without a doubt, this provision (which is US-only, too) does not apply to what you are doing -ask a good lawyer; imho your site cannot even get near the requirements for using that provision -it has been tried many times. Clearly, you are providing an interactive webcasting service, and that’s that. And just to make clear: I think it’s cool, and the record industry should definitely provide a default license for this, and it’s their own fault that this is all happening without a license; but still, that’s the way it IS right now. And this is the reason why my own company, Sonific, is licensing every track we offer in our widgets. Check out the latest news at http://www.sonificblog.com, on that note.

Gerd,

I don’t know the exact stats but you’re wrong when you say “virtually none of it will be OWNED”. So far we’re getting owned music from artists themselves. We’re not surprised because those are the people we targeted in the reachout efforts before launch and after launch.

When/if this changes in the future, we’ll have to tweak our strategy obviously and we will.

I’m off to enjoy our first snow in few years in Chapel Hill:)

Keep Jigging,

-Zaid

You can create great mixes by playing the whole homepage at once

Nice widget.

Wim

I love the digg like feature, but this site one last with its current business plan / model. It is a widget, a cool one, that would best be used in a real music service like iTunes.

so what exactly is the business model for this?

The concept is cool/unique and atlast somebody has taken the digg concept further to an un-explored area…hope digg will not mind it

I suppose a bit shameless - but I recently launched INDISTR.com…growth has been nice. Anyway, i could see something like iJigg parterning or working with a site such as mine to help people find new music - then of course actually purchase using our engine. Artist are paid 75% of income INSTANTLY and they set the prices for albums…

I think things like iJigg are great - its what makes the internet the internet, new ideas and having the public respond.

the ability to create a mash on-the-fly is entertaining. i mashed these two:

goegoe_in_tubui_matadigi_secret_mix,
music circus 5 - richard wagner

- start ‘goegoe’ and let it play for a minute to set the mood, then overlay mr. wagner’s circus. neat stuff!

you can find them here:

http://www.ijigg.com/cgi-bin/i.....mp;page=20

-stan

Yeah, these days are letting me crazy right now… Many iJigg things to develop and many articles to read.
I’m working hard on the popular algorithm and on the “suggestion” algorithm based on SVD to make things look better.

Our first goal is to help musicians to share their work, of course we’re going to have problems with copyrighted content, but the power of independant artists and the community will show that what matters is to touch people with good songs.
Our first goal is to make artists be able to share their work and give fresh content to people that likes to listen do music.
Second one is help these guy to raise funds to keep producing good stuff (as a Brazilian guy, I see tons of good local bands going nowhere because they have to get a job to pay their bills, giving up of their musical dreams)

The major goal is to make enough money to give it away for social projects related to music.

We’re just starting thinking about a business model but what matters right now is to make iJigg better following our users and yours opinions.

Too long post, I’d like to thank you guys for doing such great comments that are helping us to make iJigg better.

Props to Rodolfo - you’re a super coder, bro:)

Note to others: we’ve yet to even meet in person in the 5+ years we’ve worked together on various things. But all that will change real soon:)

-Zaid

Honestly, I have a problem with the name (iJigg), an obvious remix of digg and ipod. This might seem like small beans to many with all the “i-whatever’s” and “whatever-ster’s” and “whatever-r’s” and (whatever-igg’s)…etc…etc…but I can’t get past the copycat-itus that is happening in web 2.0.

The name alone tells me the creator has little creativity and does not seek to innovate, but merely ride on the coat tails of others. Then I take a look at the site itself and my suspicions are confirmed. It is digg-like (surprise). Its more of a mashup of digg and odeo.

Look, if you make money doing this I’ll be the first to pat you on the back. Still, I cannot give you my respect for your lack of innovation. Best of luck.

No one said that this is what I believe to be the 1st company off the FORUMS; company review page to be picked into - the mainstream TechCrunch Blog -

Just for fun; and a little research; so far the criteria seems to be the ratio of feedback to thread views. Pretty high for Ijigg.com

*also a legal note. You can’t have Ijigg.com get really large and basically mimmick the Digg model- without having to at the very minimum change the name.

- If I made a company /\/\icro5oft.com and we made things that were 80% look a likes of windows xp and vista - after we got large enough Mr. Gates would eat our lunch!

- I suggest some changes - or a good busines model and a quick exit strategy.

-Rbowles

p.s. the name just makes your a bigger target, the real issue is your similarities to Digg.

PickStation is another example of a digg style music sharing site. http://www.pickstation.com

Quick follow up. The songs have moved from the link I first posted. If you want to try the “GoeGoe / Wagner” mix the search for this string:

GoeGoe* Wagner

Also, regarding the copy-cat complaints. Most works (if not all) are derivative in some way and it’s these incremental takes on previous ideas that result in the most useful applications.

-Stan

Stan, in next update you’ll be able to create playlists with those tunes that mix well:) Wasn’t something we originally thought of but you’re more than the 10th person to point out how well that can work.

-Zaid

After all new artistes get a platform and an income an a impartial judgement. As for as riggers world can’t seem to get ri of them, Integrity is fast disapparing from the world and honest people a Endangered Species.

http://blogs.ibibo.com/TechnicalJournal

I’m not sure about all these legal stuff, even more because my country laws are very complex and different from the rest of the world, but what I can say is:
- We’re not allowing downloads (at least trying to make’em difficult, until we have a better model)
- We’re thinking about a “flag this” option to help us
- If we get sued by someone they will only get my panties…
- After all, we’re at least having fun and discovering great music

we had to use “i” because i means music… and jigg because digg wasn’t available :D, just kidding.

To make something totally new is very hard the best we could do was pick great ideas and try to make’em better.

After all I agree with my pal Jawed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nssfmTo7SZg (great and inspiring presentation)

Didn’t mean so sound like a hater in my previous comment. I don’t completely write off iJigg because of the name (although its like nails grinding on a chalkboard to my ears).

Generally, I do like it, but I am not into music enough enough to use it early and often.

To stan…I understand what you mean when you say “Most works (if not all) are derivative in some way and it’s these incremental takes on previous ideas that result in the most useful applications.”

My beef is when those derivatives are so small that although the product may be different…it is not different enough (the iteration was not large) and therefore can be confused with a copycat.

Still, best of luck to you. I am sure the future updates will build on your current successes.

how does “i” mean music?

Again, I agree with making ideas better, but there needs to be a large enough deviation with the original idea so as not to be confused with copycats.

I think thats what you should focus on in your future updates…(don’t change the name, too late for that). I would recommend on accentuating your differences and what you bring to the table that no one else does.

Nice clone. And at least unlike the other digg clones iJigg focuses on a different subject matter.

I really think this site is setting itself up to get in trouble, what stops anyone from uploading a song by brittany spears or metallica? As far as I can tell its running on the honor system which is pretty unreliable on the internet. The site is nice looking but does is it going to make any money? Not too sure…

Horrid content.

It has the standard genre problem.
Choose “classical” - whatever that means - and it’s clear that the taxonomists don’ know - and you see a handful of titles with only one that might even be considered “classical”.

Try Jazz. Yikes. Almost as bad.

MP3
I think the ijigg operators would have the mind to delete Britney Spears content if it arrived on the site;)
For a first rev. I think it’s great, aside from the Mac issue( I have a track I did that I want to post) and will only get better.
Good to see you come up from the forum ijigg

24pfilms, the mac issue has now been fixed:)

-Zaid

Oh! Just what I wanted to listen to: Gun Choke Motherfucker!

Seems like a nice idea for a site. Only thing is that I dont like the name “iJigg” all that much.

This is funny. I think the jigg is up.

The lawyers will eventually come knocking on their doors if this takes off (which is unlikely) as this is ripe for abuse.

Zaid: You state “So far we’re getting owned music from artists themselves.” How can you really verify that it’s the artist? And even if the artist does upload the music, they may not have the authority to if they’ve signed an agreement with a label that gives the label the distribution rights. It was also probably very foolish to indicate that you know copyrighted material will be uploaded and that you’ll deal with it using the DCMA. This statement could certainly be used against your company because you won’t be able to have any plausible deniability that you didn’t know the system was being or going to be abused.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: I predict that there is a very good chance that the courts will rule that services like this and YouTube are not protected by the Safe Harbor provisions of the DMCA. If I was an attorney arguing the case, I’d argue the following:

- These services are not merely hosts. They provide a “presentation layer” that enables end users to “play” the infringing content via their “software” and to search for infringing content.
- These services often transcode the infringing content from one file format to another to that their “software” can “play” the infringing content. It’s hard for me to argue that the traditional definition of a “host” as contemplated when the DMCA was written would consider a “host” to be any service that actually applies a physical process to a file that changes its format.

Consider that Napster was essentially a directory for pirated music and nothing more. No hosting, no presentation layer. Services like this, YouTube, iMeem, etc. are all directories, hosts and presentation layers, and they actively facilitate infringment on their service by performing some transcoding, I don’t see how a court could come down on Napster and not on these services.

It appears that iJigg may be aware of these things. Given how ripe for abuse this is and how similar in appearance parts of the site are to Digg’s design, I decided to take 5 minutes to do some “due diligence.” The ijigg.com domain registration is protected by a privacy service and their contact page only has email addresses. The address they’re using for DMCA complaints is a PO box and to my knowledge, the DMCA Safe Harbor provisions do not permit a PO box unless it is the only reasonable address that could be used in the region in question. There is no iJigg.com, Inc. (or iJigg, Inc.) registered in Delaware or North Carolina according to the Secretaries of State in those states, even though this is the entity listed on the iJigg website. Could an attorney use this to show that they are clearly trying to conceal their identity because of the legal issues? All this information seems to confirm my initial gut feeling that this is a little bit shady and I’m surprised that something so shady and uncompelling is featured on TechCrunch and other blogs.