Naw, come on Mike. You can’t imply it can be a serious business device and then acknowledge its shortcomings in the PC world. Corporate America won’t switch to Mac any time soon (if ever). Too much has been invested and Microsoft has gotten very good at backwards compatibility for most of their applications and operating systems. The fact that this phone 1) probably won’t be able to sync with exchange and 2) isn’t going to allow any 3rd party apps means it’s useless for business.

LOL That’s what I’ve been telling everybody I know, you’ll eventually switch over. Might as well do it sooner than later.

“My recommendation is to simply throw out the PC and switch to Mac. You’ll do it eventually anyway. Might as well do it now.”

lol. That’s a good one. But I still think PC is better than Mac. Does that statement make me an idiot then?

For the iPhone to be a competitor in the corporate sector it has to do two things:

1) Be able to send secure email.
2) Be able to synchronize with various email platforms (Exchange probably being #1).

@ Jay, i’m never going to switch to Mac.

To who ever who says that the PC is better than a Mac watch out! Michael will most certainly insult you for having your own opinion! Although it will result in you getting well needed fame!

Besides needing seamless integration with PC’s, the other major factor is the keyboard. From the reports I have read, the touch screen keyboard is extremely tough to use compared to a QWERTY keyboard on a blackberry or other device.

Business needs text, and you need an easy way to input text fast, and in abundance.

@ Jerry - You’re missing out on a much better user experience. I used to be Anti-Mac until one of my clients had me work on his MacBook Pro with a 30″ Apple Cinema Display… I saw the light and converted :P.

no keyboard = limited usefulness

careful, mike…”killer” is not a word to be taken lightly (as in “killer app”).

That was my first thought. Between the ipods and now this, Apple is making some sweet nectar. Like hell I’m going to deal with icalendar though. I’ll probably hold out until the other manufacturers learn how to put a usable interface on their (pc-oriented) devices.

It’s ofoto, btw. Not oPhoto.

CG

Blah - I said from minute one it isn’t a business device - no one believed me. Purchasers of this device will be in very limited groups (I am happy to expand on these groups if someone wants).

And until Mac pricing becomes more reasonable, and software pricing the same, forget your argument about moving to Mac. And BG would tell you to forget your argument anyway.

And I thought you liked Vista now? From CrNo: “But whatever we do with it, it’s clear that Vista has come a long way since the pre-release betas. It’s a kick ass operating system.”

Don’t you think the iphone price will be too much expansive for mainstreet ?

Neither iPod nor Mac mini triggered a significant conversion amongst the PC church-goers to the Apple cult.

The more I hear and see the near ecstasy about iPhone, the more it reminds me of Microsoft’s Origami, namely, UMPC (Ultra-Mobile PC).

I vividly remember the hype generated by Microsoft and its then high-priest Robert Scoble about how Origami (UMPC) would make the geeks wet their pants. Could Steve (”I’ll sue anyone who uses the word ‘Pod’ in its product”) Jobs be offering us something different?

Allen Stern,

Have you priced out a Mac recently? They are more reasonable now since the Intel switch.

As for the iPhone, is it meant to be a serious business device? Seems like Apple is shooting for the mass appeal of the iPod rather than the business niche.

Michael,

What, exactly, is your rationale that PC users will be switching to Macs? Have they been switching in droves over the past few years Apple has been running their “switch” campaign? Is there any data that Apple has been enjoying a strengthening of the 5% market share in the personal computer market that they currently enjoy?

So, they have had great success with the iPod. That is a device which dominated a practically open market. Nothing points to Apple’s dominance in the personal computer world.

You tend to distort facts to fit your own little fantasy world. Just because you and 9% of the Internet world are head-over-heels about something doesn’t make it fact. Take a look around at what middle America is buying and thinking. I think that’ll give you a better idea of future trends.

Stephen Sclafani - yes, I have priced them out, and they are still 2x or more higher than the pc equiv.

And yes, they are shooting for mass appeal.

Since when do guys in turtlenecks market serious business devices? Real life isn’t a cheesy 70’s sci-fi series.

It will be about as serious of a business device as the iPod is, which is to say business owners and professionals will buy it for themselves, but businesses will not buy it for their employees.

…you might want to wipe off your Kool-Aid Mustache

The iPhone is going to be neat & cool but it is not a business juggernaut:

reasons:
- no 3rd party apps (outlook, exchange, etc.)
- Pricing out of line with usefulness
- the Cingular-lock (* this is the real deal killer)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/.....059,00.asp

“It’s unclear if the iPhone will be such a killer business device for PC users. My recommendation is to simply throw out the PC and switch to Mac. You’ll do it eventually anyway. Might as well do it now.”

Um, fanboy? Its a bit retarded to claim that everyone will be switching to a Mac soon enough, they’ve got what… less than 10% market share and the influx lately has been thanks to bootcamp– where users are STILL running Windows on occasion.

i bought a media center PC for $400 over the holidays (with
a 17″ lcd flat screen) and it suits my needs. I will switch when
the MAC reaches this price-point,

Of course it can be used as a business device… Look at cellular phones - they are the new “Gameboy”, yet they are used seriously by those who need productivity on the go.

Mike wrote:

“My recommendation is to simply throw out the PC and switch to Mac.”

Good recommendation. I went from a Mac to a PC, and am switching back to Mac (rather than going to Win Vista). Not that I “hate” PC’s or Windows, I just like the easy integration between all devices and the smooth hardware/software integration Apple is known for.

Am I the only one who thinks TC officially jumped the shark with this article?

Between this and the Digg-clone non-news, I am sensing diminished returns…

chrys - no, that happened long ago. My first jump the shark accusation came about a month after I started writing this blog.

The funny thing is that most PC lovers (many of the people above) have never tried a Mac. And if they have, it has not been since the release of OS X (trust me, I hated Macs pre-OS X too).

I am with Michael on this one, Macs are gaining market share quickly. Many people that currently love PCs will end up switching (unless MS really kicks it into gear, and Vista is just a start).

@Jason “Take a look around at what middle America is buying and thinking. I think that’ll give you a better idea of future trends.” - You do not look at middle America for future trends. This is why there is a fashion industry and auto shows. Future trends come from the fringe, not the center.

@Emanuel - It seems from my experience (and from what I have heard), many people install Windows thinking they’ll use it, but realize that they don’t actually need it and the Mac provides a better user experience (you don’t have to be a “fanboy” to realize that). Of course, there are definitely users that actually need Windows (I feel sorry for them) for a certain program. In 5 years almost all apps will be web-based or web-driven anyway (platform agnostic).

Wheew…now I can actually talk about the iPhone:

I agree with many, that the iPhone will not truly be a business device. But for Mac users I think it will be close enough and will accomplish most tasks.

I think Apple really blew it by partnering exclusively with a wireless provider. They really had a chance to “change the game”, now they are only offering a nice phone.

Mike, one month is hardly enough time to even get on the shark, let alone jump off it

re: mac vs win - the debate is so tiresome, can’t we all just let people use whatever they want without trying to convince them one way or another?

Use what you want and be happy, stop evangelizing favorites…

iPhone looks promising, but switching to an expensive Mac is out of the question for most of the people.

@24 aka “Mike”

if you’ve jumped ship and long since walked the plank, then who’s been writing the blog?? who’s been collecting the *successful* amounts of revenue ever since?

I’ve been using Macs for over 22 years. This device is a rebirth of the product line. I love my PC and know its place in Web development but the iPhone is the breakthrough device for this new Web resurgence. Once video is thoroughly embraced on the Web this device will make it real time and portable. The news broadcast every morning via FNN,Innertube or abc.com or whatever nbc is doing will make this the killer device. The killer app is there in the video content alone. Millions of commuters traveling to and from work with their iPhones watching their morning conference with a colleague or the news, sports, tv in general. Strengthen the signal broaden the bandwidth upload the content whether it is business conferencing via iChat or whatever app or consumer productions. This is not the Newton although that device was five years ahead of its time. I am a big fan of Jobs from the really early days and I will continue to be. He will be looked on later as an American original. Gates is another story. The problem is going to be the old VHS and Beta story. Will Jobs open this up for everyone or will he make the same mistake he did in the early 90’s. That remains to be seen.

well said chrys… its been said and done for years and years… i still remember the fights at CKS about it in 95.

No Fortune 500 company is going to roll out a phone who’s main advantage is the seamless ability to listen to music, watch tv shows and movies, and take pictures.

This is a consumer device targeted at 18-25 year olds, using Cingular, who already own a ps3, and 3+ ipods and must have the coolest gadget.

The real back-breakers are no removable battery and no native exchange integration. Not allowing 3rd party apps should seal the deal with corporations.

J

Most people don’t use the phone for business; they call friends and family. They do this when they’re driving, or waiting for the bus, or walking from place to place, or just being bored by whatever is happening around them. With that big color display, the iPhone is a potential advertising vehicle. You can give people ads with their “free” music or “free” videos.

As for the Windows vs. OS X wars…. the real action is happening in the Linux LiveCD scene. With Linux LiveCDs, you can change your OS (meaning kernel, libraries, and apps) with every boot. This week, my Windows box has become a dyne:bolic box, for some video work, and a Knoppix box for no reason at all. Next week, I’ll try out Musix, to test out audio editing software.

a blogger tells me to throw out my pcs and switch to a mac. let’s see ….blogging involves…

1) typing
2) responding to emails
3) watching videos on youtube
4) uploading pics from digital cameras

sorry mike. but real business involves a lot more than that. the pc has 95% market for a reason. we all can’t attend conferences and parties and write about it for a living.

Michael,

I appreciate your bluntness when encouraging people to switch. You understand through direct experience that Apple simply makes the best personal computer products, and encouraging people to switch is not an attempt to insult, but in fact a thoughtful and helpful suggestion.

The iPhone will be a “serious” business device because anything, ANYTHING, that make human communication more efficient results direct, immediate gains in productivity, and improvements in efficiency is the iPhone’s primary innovation.

-jeremy

Are you serious? I’d rather have an extra hole in my head than ever switch to a macinshit.

My corporation uses Microsoft exchange server limiting us to treo’s and Cingular 8125’s or anything else running windows 5.0 mobile.

Major corporations are not going to switch exchange servers. Heck, mine refused to switch to blackberry, for good reason I might add.

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I just wrote a comment and it said “duplicate comment detected”…

WTF…Ive never writtend anything like that before…I just said how my corporation would not switch exchange servers. We are limited to Cingular 8125’s and Treo’s.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. “macinshit”? Not exactly doing the pc crowd justice there.

Linux vs mac vs pc

tagline: We don’t need more fuel for this fire!

*Unsubscribes because of the Mac arrogance*

You all need to get your head out of this blog and go talk to an IT support person at a company to learn why they will not be purchasing this device. I’m in the business of supporting wireless devices for big companies and I guarantee you, they will not be buying and supporting these things any time soon.

But forget that. More importantly, how did Apple’s intro into the wireless telecom industry by announcing the iPhone become the first step in replacing the corporate computing environment? First they have to figure out how to make the damn thing work as a phone and a data device, learn how to coexist with Cingular and eventually other stodgy telcos and learn how to support a device that people think should work 7/24.

There’s no way they have the support systems in place to manage millions of these things that have to send email, make phone calls and send data transmissions along with playing a song or two. Providing support on telecom devices goes well beyond the break-fix issues they currently deal with on their consumer electronics devices.

The users primary requirement for the iPhone will be communicating, not entertaining themselves. While the average person is willing to live a few hours, days or even weeks without listening to a little music or watching some lame video they won’t live a minute without being able to communicate.

This is going to be fun to watch.

I wont use the iPhone for two reasons. 1) They will be a GSM only network- atleast for the first two years with their CRAPPY cingular deal. 2) No third part apps? Major buzz kill and thats is the reason why I love my Pocket Pc Phone.

The visual email is a killer feature.

You mean, “visual voicemail”? I think Cisco’s 79xx series desktop phones support that feature as well when used with something called Cisco Unity Express which is a voicemail product.

rich,

What, exactly, TF are you talking about? What’s to support? And how does, for instance, a Blackberry or a normal cell phone do it better.

E-mail: log into an IMAP account or forward. End of story. Phone: give out your Cingular number to your officemates. End of story.

Arrington is spot on and most of the rest of you are shallow and myopic ‘know it all’ twits.

The Real Genius of Apple’s iPhone
http://yahoo.businessweek.com/.....349467.htm

IPhone: Calling the Future
http://www.wired.com/news/tech.....=rss.index

PS - MSFT could never come up with an equivalent because Gates and Microsoft products are generally crap and stifle innovation

The keyboard problem isn’t critical I think. I don’t know whether Apple is going to use external keyboards with iPhone, but if they will decide to do it they won’t regret. First, external keyboard will make working with business applications easier. Second, Apple can make additional revenue selling such devices, “gadgets for gadgets”.

There’ll be enough iPhone fans to make their iTamagochi happier with new addons like keyboard.

Even if Apple refuse to make such turn, I think there’s a lot of talented designers and programmers who can use this possibility to make such unquestionably needed gadget for iPhone. For example, look at Art. Lebedev’s Optimus keyboard — they made it very fast and it is reprogrammable. I believe they or someone else is able to make external iPhone keyboard.

While everyone isn’t ready to switch off from PC, it is possible for third-party developers to make iPhone connector/plugin for Microsoft Exchange or whatever. And the team (or hacker) who will do it first, will make pretty tasty money.

Stephen,

“What’s to support?” Hopefully Apple knows a little more about what they just got themselves into than you do, but that’s what’s going to be fun to watch.

Probably I meant something between the Optimus Keyboard (beforementioned) and Optimus Mini one.

LOL @43 india I too would hope this thing has visual email LOL

I may be burned at the internet stake here, but I have to stay true to what I believe.

I believe the iPhone is and will be a “fad” device. I would say it’s equivalent to the original Tickle Me Elmo fad.

“macinshit”

we have the best comments, period.

…just to add there were a few more players providing “visual voicemail” much before Apple announced the “killer ???” feature.

1. Cisco Unity Express provides a rich array of messaging features
for smaller organizations. It provides affordable, productivity-enhancing voicemail and automated attendant for SMB branch offices. It provides support for up to 120 users and delivers full e-mail integration and visual voicemail support, enabling users to be even more responsive and accessible… more

2. Visual Voicemail from Traverse Networks changes all that, delivering voicemail to your mobile phone within an email-like inbox. … more

3. Citrix Visual Voicemail enables voicemail users to have a visual indication of the number of voice mail messages in the mailbox … more

Easy answer, no…not even close.

No Outlook syncing, no support for Exchange … that means little or no business usage.

You people are idiots.

Apple computers with Mac OS X is outright the best computer experience you can have on the market. Bar none. Why then aren’t Macs the dominating force in the PC world?

Because Apple is too small as a company to support nor does it care about gaining overwhelming market share.

Apple is tiny. At it’s low it’s had 12,000 employees and when Steve Jobs came back it’s been experience massive growth in the past 5 years to a magical number of… 20,000. Comparatively Dell has 60,000 while Microsoft has 71,000 and HP has 150,000. You want enterprise/corporate and SMB dominance? Wait another 10 years.

Apple thrives on innovation. They thrive on making the next big thing. Followthrough is for chumps. Making beige boxes is for losers. Making black laptops is for idiots, okay nvm, making one black laptop to compliment white laptops is kind of cool. But regardless, Apple thrives on innovation. It could care less if Joe Schmoe buys an iPod or not. It could care less if Billy Bob has an Apple TV in his deluxe double wide.

If you don’t want to buy the phone, don’t. You’re not even worth it.

>My recommendation is to simply throw out the PC and switch to Mac.
I use everything but I could never stand the superiority complex on either side though the problem with the cult of personality over at the mac is that a lot of their efforts go towards making people like Mike feel special.

I don’t know why you would have such a long conversation about the big business aspect - it clearly isn’t aimed there. Too bad you weren’t talking to JohnDoe – might have saved you some time. PC users already have a multitude of ways to sync their mail, calendar and contacts and a number of companies offer visual voicemail packages. RIM had started on theirs a few years ago. If this brings them out faster so much the better. Also, if Apple doesn’t support a similar seamless experience on the PC then there is no way the phone is selling 10 million units. Business friendly or not. (Note the history of the iPod.)

The funny thing is that fact that you can’t put un-Steve approved apps on the iPhone is probably the most pro big business thing about it! They would love that control. I really like apple products but, at least right now, this is a iPodPhone not the powerhouse truly do-anything-with-it iPhone I was hoping for. It is also an indication of where the company is headed and it isn’t in a consumer friendly direction unless you love totally closed systems. I agree that it can make for a great experience but it is not one everyone is comfortable with. If it is a big success it will only bring more of them which sucks for everyone. I find it funny that you cheer the death of DRM while celebrating its 2nd biggest supporter and frankly, the one probably benefiting from it the most.

Also, the no removable battery and 2 year lock in just suck. (Even if I still kind of want one.)

Jeremy S - just like the iPod fad?

I expect potential iPhone design/functionality limitations will be overcome by creative after-market add-on/peripherals (docking stations, true qwerty keyboards, etc.), just as they were with the iPod …

From “The Real Genius of Apple’s iPhone” ( link above )

Incorporating the existing Mac OS X operating system into the unit is a major step forward, one which Adaptive Path President and usability expert Jesse James Garrett reckons will provide a major headache for competitors. “Apple has been able to work backwards from its own OS, making adjustments to work on a smaller screen,” he says. “This is not functionality that you can tack onto the existing phone operating systems out there. That has to be very troubling to the competition because it’s going to take them years to develop similar technical sophistication. Mobile-phone Web browsers are uniformly awful.” The iPhone, of course, uses Apple’s own Safari browser.

Michael and Jeremy, not a fad, just a failed product. Think “Lisa” or “Newton”. First in, great innovation, but the thing is way too ambitious, costs too much and doesn’t work too well so leave it up to others to get it right for the long term. Apple hit a homerun with the iPod but do we now have to believe that therefore, they will do so with every other product they release?

>pretty good demo of some of the office type applications on the device.

Most of the video was music and photo browsing. Just what business loves!

>It could care less if Joe Schmoe buys an iPod or not.

Apple makes most of their money from Joe buying iPods…More, in fact, than the do from selling computers.

NEWTON! I sold these at the Wiz in NYC - I remember going for training for them. Man everyone was like this the best thing ever.

We had an awesome display for them. I sold 2 (no one else sold any) and the display model couldn’t sell even when it went to 75% off.

Still it was way ahead of its time.

heck. how can they call this a serious business tool if it can’t even support third party applicaitons. Another key point already raised above is integration with my existing email systems. Why should I trust my corporate email with Macmail or Yahoo?

Mike - so what did you debate with this other guy? You seem unconvinced it is for business people. Most so far in the comments say the same thing.

So I guess this other guy thinks the device is a strong business player? Otherwise what was there to debate?

I am confused.

I’m impressed. I’ve been a PC user now for over 8 years and lately - although sometimes I hate to admit it - I’ve been deliberating the purchasing of a iBook, a Mac. I was hoping to find a PC laptop worthy of my $$ but I’ve grown bored with the PC in general, especially, in shape and form and functionality. Now with the iPhone, and with my iPod in hand, I’m even more encouraged than ever before to purchase a Mac. I never thought I’d be a Mac user, but like they say “never, say…Never.” My hats off to Apple and Mr. Jobs for a job well done. The PC market has gotten so boring that it’s pushed me to Apple. Where is the innovation in the PC world people! Why do almost all PC laptops look the same. Why? Anyway, I’m off to purchase a Mac. Cheers.

Throw out the PC and switch to Mac? HA HA HA HA!

Are you kidding? For the savvy tech user, those who actually WANT to get their hands dirty with hardware, the Mac is kind of a joke, let’s just be honest.

Apple makes nice mobile consumer electronics, but their desktops and notebooks are expensive fashion statements — one that I don’t want to make. As users become more savvy, they’ll realize they can get the same thing for half the price elsewhere.

Windows is yesterday, MacOS is today, Ubuntu is tomorrow.

Unfortunately, tomorrow never comes and today is here to stay

Beautiful device, just beautiful.

@15 Jason, beautiful rational
@25 J, becautiful rational as well

Don’t know about coorporate America’s decision, to me, the moment Apple lowers its price in par with PC products, (or other cell phones products), My guess is average consumers will transfer, this will be particularly true for iphone, which is light years more user friendly than any other smart phone out there, and so much more better looking!

In case anyone cares, I did a roundup post a few minutes ago of other stories that back my theory that while the mac loyalists, celebrities and others who have freecashflow will purchase this device, the average iPod owner won’t and neither will the business community. Click my name to read it and other articles I may have missed.

Cool phone. But I was kind of hoping for a computer.
Someday someone will build a better handheld computer than the Psion Series 5, but it probably won’t be Steve Jobs. As Jobs said of the iPhone to the New York Times, “I don’t want people to think of this as a computer. I think of it as reinventing the phone.” That’s the problem.

For the sake of fairness, we need to hear from Linux fan boys.

We need to hear their compelling theories that both Macs and PCs are dog doo-doo, and the fact that Linux is not used by the majority of the population is because a mysterious force so evil has made it so.

As we speak, Linux faithfuls are working on a far better device that will blow iPhone away, as it will project a 3D image of the person you’re calling right in front of you, a la “Star Wars”.

Just a point I have yet to see anyone bring up–the last I knew, Cingular was the cell phone company that provides service to Apple employees in the U.S, for what it’s worth.

Let me start by saying I just bought an iMac 20″ last week. It’s for my wife and kids. It’s nice looking and meets my family’s needs well. Now…

I own the Cingular 8525 (PocketPC) and use Microsoft Voice Command extensively. I’ve had similar PDA phones such as the Siemens SX56, SX 66, etc.

Everything iPhone does, I’ve been doing it for over 4 years…Email, Internet, Music, Video, GPS, etc. etc.

Please give me a break…iPhone is just a “thin” phone with iPod and typical PDA functionality. Yes, the multi-touch, album art and it’s thin-ness looks nice. And I’m sure it’s nice…

But can it be hooked up to a laptop via Bluetooth from my Cingular 8525, then be able to do broadband-like connection as a wireless modem?!? My phone has ultra fast 3G UMTS/HSDPA…iPhone only does GSM/GPRS/Edge.

I still can’t figure out how iPhone is 5 years ahead any other phone? I think it’s more like 5 years late into such market…

Regards,

James

This FAQ from David Pogue should clear up a lot.

Cingular is your only option for at least two years, it will not synch with Outlook, you will not be able to install applications, it will not open Office files, you cannot connect to chat apps, no games, no support for Flash in the browser, no video capture.

However, my Treo does all of those.

This iteration of the iPhone, version 1.0 is NOT a business user device.

I wrote the 5 reasons why on my blog a few days ago.

http://www.venturefiles.com/20.....an-iphone/

I am the target audience for this phone and I think they missed the mark.

The second time around with 3G and a developer base will make it worthwhile.

And BTW, it is NOT a smartphone. To be one allows you to install 3rd party apps.

andy abramson is one of the few that really ‘gets it’

Wi Apple?
http://andyabramson.blogs.com/.....apple.html

The question in my mind is “why was Apple able to include Wi-Fi in their phone with Cingular/AT&T and companies like Nokia with the E62 and Samsung with the Blackjack forced to castrate the phones and sell them minus Wi-Fi?”

Ok boys and gals - I did the math of ownership of the iPhone - the $599 is only the beginning!
http://www.centernetworks.com/.....the-iphone

Not with the MAC OS.

In order for the iPhone to be accepted in the business world it will need to run Windows or Linux.

Not to mention the cost. Other then the CEO who can add that as a line item to their budget.

Double

wow, guess i will be buying my touchpad laptop or something like this.Its really good

I am not throwing out my PC for a stupid overpriced cell phone. It is just a money grab with a bunch of features that only hardcores use. I feel that it is a big waste of money no one should waste their time with.

Would this be the same James Joaquin that was an Apple Newton evangelist many moons ago? Are you sure he doesn’t just have his panties in a bunch over the fact the Newton, which he worked hard to launch, didn’t work out?

I had a knee-jerk reaction to all the hype and wasn’t impressed much with what I saw of the iPhone until watching this demo. Pretty sweet. But business use? For Mac guys, sure. But it won’t get people to switch from Blackberries or Treos. It won’t get me to give up my Q until that day in the future when, as Mike Arrington says, I eventually switch to a Mac. Then it will make real sense to have the iPhone. BTW, if they could drop the i in favor of Apple for the TV, why not for the phone, especially since it was already trademarked. Does job have something against Cisco?

You think it will be the next big thing because you’re an apple fan. All Mac fans think that the iphone is the second coming of god. They were literally squealing when they heard about the iphone. But news flash, Mac fans will buy them, will PC users? An average user won’t fork out so much cash for a phone + mp3 player. They like a phone separate and mp3 player separate. An average user wants to keep things simple.

The iphone will definitely be overhyped. The Apple fans will snap it up as soon as it is released. But after that, no one will buy it. A trend that will soon disappear.

Whether this device succeeds or not depends on how it performs when it actually comes out. It might be a killer device for people who have macs but not so much for PC users considering its drawbacks right now. Rather than passing out judgement just because its Apple, wait and watch. Its not easy to replicate the iPod magic in every field.

To the self proclaimed “intelligent” people who keep mumbling something about “switch to a mac, you will eventually anyways” …what in the hell are you smoking and when was the last time you actually took a cold hard look at reality?

Personally, I know the day I switch (completely) to a mac will be the day hell has officially frozen over. I literally would have to be brain dead and peeing on myself before I would even consider moving to a mac. One of the primary reasons? I absolutely refuse to join the throngs of mindless arrogant users that insist on trying to convince the world to make the same mistake they did, just to make themselves feel better.

You know who you people sound like? The damn Christians, trying to convert the whole freakin world so everyone can enjoy the hell that they currently enjoy. Makes sense huh?

In summary, we get it: you made the mistake and switched. Good for you, I’ll even give you a little pat on the back, but keep your stupid ass walking right out the door. We need to your opinions and we certainly don’t need the magic koolaid that you’re drinking.

This post is pretty silly, in my opinion. My Treo does EVERYTHING the iPhone claims to do, except for visual voicemail, but frankly I imagine Cingular could offer that to any phone manufacturers they carry. My Treo also does a lot of business-oriented tasks the iPhone does not, and can run a lot of apps the iPhone can’t.

I won’t be switching to Mac, perioid, and even if I did it wouldn’t be for this all-flash and no substance device.

@Samir,

Here is a bit of info for you, It explains how Apple blatantly stole the idea of visual voicemail from Citrix as seen here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2.....voicemail/

So yeah, Apple crams a lot of technology into a flawed phone, a lot of stolen technology. Way to go.

Well, I agree to xxdesmus, only partly.

See, I do not know the reason why some like Macs and some like PC. There may be any number of reason for others to choose what they choose.

I just cannot follow your advice for just one reason.

I just cannot afford Mac. I can afford PC and it works for me.

@26 - chrys: We are not “evangelizing” favorites. We are debating about what will be good for the market - what is most efficient for the corporate world. The real question here is “Will the iPhone be efficient enough and better than the concurrent competitors _during its release in June_ in the corporate world?”

I firmly believe it will be a slow adopter over time, but eventually will maintain a significant, say 15 - 25% market share, and maintain it. Thats only if Apple’s prime competitors like Motorola, Blackberry, or LG doesn’t push the ball and develop a equally capable phone in a crazy, almost impossible time frame.