Comments on: Venice Project Built on Mozilla http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:27:56 -0800 hourly 1 By: Joost Dumps P2P Service http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2571583 Joost Dumps P2P Service Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:25:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2571583 [...] service when it first launched it two years ago. It wasn’t based on streaming video but on a Mozilla-based client available for download. The real strong point of the service was the fact that Joost client had [...] [...] service when it first launched it two years ago. It wasn’t based on streaming video but on a Mozilla-based client available for download. The real strong point of the service was the fact that Joost client had [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Q u a r a r a http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2571136 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Q u a r a r a Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:14:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2571136 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2570837 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2570837 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2570836 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2570836 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2570835 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2570835 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2570834 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Altogether | Fidicaro.net Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:13:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2570834 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Just Gives Up On P2P http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-2570742 Joost Just Gives Up On P2P Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:44:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-2570742 [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...] [...] of streaming video through the Joost website, users would download a Mozilla-based client and watch it there instead. The user experience could be more tightly controlled. And more [...]

]]> By: Joost Says They Have 1 million Beta Users; Launch By Year End | Tekjuice.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-1533308 Joost Says They Have 1 million Beta Users; Launch By Year End | Tekjuice.com Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:52:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-1533308 [...] online TV should come through the browser, not a new application like Joost (which, however, is built partially on the Mozilla application framework). But Joost is a solid application that is attracting some [...] [...] online TV should come through the browser, not a new application like Joost (which, however, is built partially on the Mozilla application framework). But Joost is a solid application that is attracting some [...]

]]> By: P Cause http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-739234 P Cause Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:27:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-739234 By its nature a P2P application runs outside of the browser. You need a client / agent to be running to support the transfers. While one *could* create a browser plugin to have the agent, you would still be downloading. As for the UI running in the browser - why bother? You can create much richer and more satisfying experiences in a dedicated client. Watching media, especially longer for, isn't a browser type application. By its nature a P2P application runs outside of the browser. You need a client / agent to be running to support the transfers. While one *could* create a browser plugin to have the agent, you would still be downloading.

As for the UI running in the browser – why bother? You can create much richer and more satisfying experiences in a dedicated client. Watching media, especially longer for, isn’t a browser type application.

]]> By: EuroValley » Blog Archives » Babelgum aims to bring Internet TV to the masses http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-719711 EuroValley » Blog Archives » Babelgum aims to bring Internet TV to the masses Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:47:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-719711 [...] The Venice project, the latest from Skype founders Niklas Zennström and Janus Friis, has already been well-covered by some blogs. Venice is not the only Internet TV pioneer, however. Babel Networks is rumoured to be close to launching Babelgum, a P2P-based Internet TV for web users.According to Babelgum’s website, the service will offer users the possibility to view “near-tv resolution” TV on their computers. Like the Venice project, the service will be based on a P2P architecture, which seems to be the technology of choice for the distribution of heavy-bandwidth content over the Internet. Special features including the possibility of setting up personal channels based on the available content, user recommendations that allow the easy ranking of content, and, apparently, a self-learning system that helps the TV to learn what the user likes. [...] [...] The Venice project, the latest from Skype founders Niklas Zennström and Janus Friis, has already been well-covered by some blogs. Venice is not the only Internet TV pioneer, however. Babel Networks is rumoured to be close to launching Babelgum, a P2P-based Internet TV for web users.According to Babelgum’s website, the service will offer users the possibility to view “near-tv resolution” TV on their computers. Like the Venice project, the service will be based on a P2P architecture, which seems to be the technology of choice for the distribution of heavy-bandwidth content over the Internet. Special features including the possibility of setting up personal channels based on the available content, user recommendations that allow the easy ranking of content, and, apparently, a self-learning system that helps the TV to learn what the user likes. [...]

]]> By: Ossi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-711908 Ossi Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:39:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-711908 Venice project is not the only Internet TV project that is coming out from Europe. See Babelgum (http://www.babelgum.com). I blogged about it recently, and am trying to get in touch with the founder to get some more information. Seems interesting, but not really sure yet how far the project is, i.e., whether they have a real product or are they advertising something that does not really exist yet. Venice project is not the only Internet TV project that is coming out from Europe. See Babelgum (http://www.babelgum.com). I blogged about it recently, and am trying to get in touch with the founder to get some more information. Seems interesting, but not really sure yet how far the project is, i.e., whether they have a real product or are they advertising something that does not really exist yet.

]]> By: Sarah Meyers http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-710913 Sarah Meyers Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:55:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-710913 ilan a., As long as the Venice project allows syndication with third party agreements, they will get more content. The question is how do you get the content creators to stay? ilan a.,

As long as the Venice project allows syndication with third party agreements, they will get more content.

The question is how do you get the content creators to stay?

]]> By: ilan a. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-709456 ilan a. Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:55:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-709456 I think that Kazaa and Skype founders expertise is precisely the downloadable applications. They reinvented music sharing with kazaa, they revolutionized telecommunications with kazaa, and I am really confident that they will do the same with TVP, I personnally like the app, and I think that as soon as they will get more content, it will become a killer app, such as YouTube. I think that Kazaa and Skype founders expertise is precisely the downloadable applications. They reinvented music sharing with kazaa, they revolutionized telecommunications with kazaa, and I am really confident that they will do the same with TVP, I personnally like the app, and I think that as soon as they will get more content, it will become a killer app, such as YouTube.

]]> By: jeremy liew http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-708711 jeremy liew Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:38:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-708711 Mike I think the two hurdles you mention, content and download, are both surmountable. I think the bandwidth problem will be harder and that p2p solutions are not sufficient if TVP gets to real scale. If you're interested, I've posted in more detail about it at the Lightspeed blog- click my name to read more Mike

I think the two hurdles you mention, content and download, are both surmountable. I think the bandwidth problem will be harder and that p2p solutions are not sufficient if TVP gets to real scale. If you’re interested, I’ve posted in more detail about it at the Lightspeed blog- click my name to read more

]]> By: Matt_ http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-704828 Matt_ Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:29:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-704828 The Venice project is different becuse it has web components built into the platform like Chat and RSS that are transparent overlays over full screen video .Others are a video window within a browser and you have all these other features running as seperate apps or services . They also plan to allow customisation of the client through a open API like Firefox or Winamp . It is a TV browser not a Web browser. The Venice project is different becuse it has web components built into the platform like Chat and RSS that are transparent overlays over full screen video .Others are a video window within a browser and you have all these other features running as seperate apps or services .

They also plan to allow customisation of the client through a open API like Firefox or Winamp .

It is a TV browser not a Web browser.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-704399 Jeremy Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:11:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-704399 How will The Venice Project be different from existing IPTV services (e.g., <a href="http://www.tvunetworks.com/" rel="nofollow">TVU</a>, a service I've been using lately)? Is the hype just because of the Kazaa/Skype connection? How will The Venice Project be different from existing IPTV services (e.g., TVU, a service I’ve been using lately)? Is the hype just because of the Kazaa/Skype connection?

]]> By: Herman http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-701730 Herman Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:50:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-701730 I agree with your concerns, Mike. But I think the initial phase of TVP's development should focus on getting good, consistent video quality to create a seamless TV experience. Also, as we all know, there is only a limit as to what kinds of services can be built on browsers. Browsers are not standalone operating systems and simply do not offer enough application-level flexibility. Ask Firefox and IE to strengthen their software and we might see some change. I agree with your concerns, Mike. But I think the initial phase of TVP’s development should focus on getting good, consistent video quality to create a seamless TV experience.

Also, as we all know, there is only a limit as to what kinds of services can be built on browsers. Browsers are not standalone operating systems and simply do not offer enough application-level flexibility. Ask Firefox and IE to strengthen their software and we might see some change.

]]> By: Bill http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-700966 Bill Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:03:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-700966 Comparing the Venice Project to YouTube is like comparing Tivo or ReplayTV with RealPlayer. Comparing the Venice Project to YouTube is like comparing Tivo or ReplayTV with RealPlayer.

]]> By: Michael Wales http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-700375 Michael Wales Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:10:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-700375 Hasn't this already been done? http://www.getdemocracy.com/ Hasn’t this already been done?
http://www.getdemocracy.com/

]]> By: Jason M. Lemkin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-699826 Jason M. Lemkin Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:53:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-699826 VGA or 720p is enough over YouTube to justify a download if there is enough content. My eyes are too old to watch train videos at the ultra low res/massive compression stnd on YouTube with my baby son. VGA or 720p is enough over YouTube to justify a download if there is enough content. My eyes are too old to watch train videos at the ultra low res/massive compression stnd on YouTube with my baby son.

]]> By: Robert http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-699404 Robert Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:48:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-699404 Who needs any additional software. There are dozens of free channels available right now on whooda.com. Just click on and watch anything. Not rocket science. Who needs any additional software. There are dozens of free channels available right now on whooda.com. Just click on and watch anything. Not rocket science.

]]> By: Matt http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-699277 Matt Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:06:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-699277 They hav'nt shuned the browser Mike they have just reinvented it with a new UI and content delivery system. Im sure you dont mind downloading a bittorent client to get your warez ....or a Java program to steal Pandora Tunes . The underlying browser features are still there like search and browsing but its a Electroinic Program Guide . When the Venice project is on a set top box you wont even notice that is aprogram that was downloaded to a eprom . They hav’nt shuned the browser Mike they have just reinvented it with a new UI and content delivery system.

Im sure you dont mind downloading a bittorent client to get your warez ….or a Java program to steal Pandora Tunes .

The underlying browser features are still there like search and browsing but its a Electroinic Program Guide .

When the Venice project is on a set top box you wont even notice that is aprogram that was downloaded to a eprom .

]]> By: William http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-699246 William Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:52:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-699246 Yup, i think he missed the point on this one. Venice project is about IP-TV... And that means we want High Quality not youtube quality..which means p2p and browser don't do that. I've tried the software and I muz say it definitely looks great when i do an output to my LCD TV... I can wait for more content. ANd imagine ...if what they say is true.... that LCD TV will be able to do internet and have broadband connectivity.. then this is where venice comes in.. Yup, i think he missed the point on this one.
Venice project is about IP-TV…
And that means we want High Quality not youtube quality..which means p2p and browser don’t do that.

I’ve tried the software and I muz say it definitely looks great when i do an output to my LCD TV… I can wait for more content.
ANd imagine …if what they say is true…. that LCD TV will be able to do internet and have broadband connectivity.. then this is where venice comes in..

]]> By: Ken Purcell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-698814 Ken Purcell Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:33:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-698814 I agree with Ronald, as it is the placement of net delivered content in front of the couch 'OR' your desktop. User choice will drive what's eventually adopted. Surely 'Content is King' but Tivo was successful by the clean user interface not the crappy sitcoms it was saving for you. In the TVP concept it's the interface stupid, better content will come but the video quality is there now. Apple is certainly delivering the Tivo like experience with Front Row and TVP is another extension of the same idea. I agree with Ronald, as it is the placement of net delivered content in front of the couch ‘OR’ your desktop. User choice will drive what’s eventually adopted.

Surely ‘Content is King’ but Tivo was successful by the clean user interface not the crappy sitcoms it was saving for you. In the TVP concept it’s the interface stupid, better content will come but the video quality is there now. Apple is certainly delivering the Tivo like experience with Front Row and TVP is another extension of the same idea.

]]> By: yoyoyo http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1/#comment-698786 yoyoyo Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:23:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/12/venice-project-built-on-mozilla/#comment-698786 I found these screenshots of the venice project: http://www.slideshare.net/gregverdino/sneak-peek-at-the-venice-project It looks really really slick...the navigation and widgets look really cool. The only thing that looks lame are the pre-roll ads, which might be really annoying (but at 3-5 seconds, just possibly tolerable). I found these screenshots of the venice project:
http://www.slid...-venice-project

It looks really really slick…the navigation and widgets look really cool. The only thing that looks lame are the pre-roll ads, which might be really annoying (but at 3-5 seconds, just possibly tolerable).

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