Comments on: Grouper Just Says “No” To Kenny G http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:39:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: NBC Piles On Google - YouTube Strategy in Question http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-1089903 NBC Piles On Google - YouTube Strategy in Question Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:10:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-1089903 [...] clear that YouTube has the ability (like their competitors) to filter out copyrighted materials right now, and they are choosing not to do so. That would gut [...] [...] clear that YouTube has the ability (like their competitors) to filter out copyrighted materials right now, and they are choosing not to do so. That would gut [...]

]]> By: lywtanta http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-935363 lywtanta Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-935363 Bla bla bla.. but the topic is interesting!U Bla bla bla.. but the topic is interesting!U

]]> By: stunned http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-679775 stunned Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:47:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-679775 Aren't there bigger fish to fry than somebody using Kenny G of all people for their family home video? Not only is it a horrible use of time and money but they are taking away free marketing. Who is to say that someone doesnt hear that song and goes straight to Itunes? These record companies need to reallocate their time. _______________________________________ K-duh! A classic example of old executives not understanding modern markets, though what is modern or hard to understand about free promo. listen to an old AC/DC video or hear the song behind your nephew's skateboarding video he made and sent you a link to, and possibly you'll get get charged up to go buy that old album you'd half forgotten about. How do these execs justify their paychecks? Aren’t there bigger fish to fry than somebody using Kenny G of all people for their family home video?

Not only is it a horrible use of time and money but they are taking away free marketing. Who is to say that someone doesnt hear that song and goes straight to Itunes? These record companies need to reallocate their time.
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K-duh! A classic example of old executives not understanding modern markets, though what is modern or hard to understand about free promo. listen to an old AC/DC video or hear the song behind your nephew’s skateboarding video he made and sent you a link to, and possibly you’ll get get charged up to go buy that old album you’d half forgotten about.

How do these execs justify their paychecks?

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]]> By: I call it Fair Use, but so what « Christian Burns is thinking things through http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-676831 I call it Fair Use, but so what « Christian Burns is thinking things through Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:15:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-676831 [...] January 7, 2007 Posted by Christian Burns in Fair Use, Copywrite, blog365, Phone it in. trackback They can get you even if you are only sharing among family and friends. Watch out for this kind ofthing to spread. Via TechCrunch It looks like the removals aren’t limited just to videos containing Universal music, either. Robert Mowery, a Grouper user, forwarded a take down email today involving a certain Kenny G song, Midnight Motion. Kenny G’s label is Arista, a subsidiary of Sony and a sister company to Grouper. This comes just after recent news that Sony was softening their stance on this kind of thing. [...] [...] January 7, 2007 Posted by Christian Burns in Fair Use, Copywrite, blog365, Phone it in. trackback They can get you even if you are only sharing among family and friends. Watch out for this kind ofthing to spread. Via TechCrunch It looks like the removals aren’t limited just to videos containing Universal music, either. Robert Mowery, a Grouper user, forwarded a take down email today involving a certain Kenny G song, Midnight Motion. Kenny G’s label is Arista, a subsidiary of Sony and a sister company to Grouper. This comes just after recent news that Sony was softening their stance on this kind of thing. [...]

]]> By: NewTeeVee » Weekend Update: Google Video Ads, NBC Online and BitTorrent Bullies http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-676525 NewTeeVee » Weekend Update: Google Video Ads, NBC Online and BitTorrent Bullies Mon, 08 Jan 2007 04:48:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-676525 [...] Sony’s purge of Grouper proves that in the fight over coypright online, the real losers are the fans. Unless they’re Kenny G fans, in which case, I agree with Michael Arrington — nobody wins. [Techcrunch] [...] [...] Sony’s purge of Grouper proves that in the fight over coypright online, the real losers are the fans. Unless they’re Kenny G fans, in which case, I agree with Michael Arrington — nobody wins. [Techcrunch] [...]

]]> By: Palak http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-671766 Palak Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:23:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-671766 This questions the difference between our rights as the purchaser vs the rights of the artist/music lablel....We do our rights as the consumer end? Am i only allowed to listen to my music myself with headphones? I mean this gets to be a bit ridiculous when music companies go to this extent to stop us from even enjoying the music we purchase. Why should I purchase music when i can't even play it in a private setting for my family or friends (especially when it is in the background)? At some point, we need to make it clear to the record companies that it is our right as the consumer to play music for our friends as long as we are not trying to profit off it or take away profit from the artist/company. This questions the difference between our rights as the purchaser vs the rights of the artist/music lablel….We do our rights as the consumer end? Am i only allowed to listen to my music myself with headphones? I mean this gets to be a bit ridiculous when music companies go to this extent to stop us from even enjoying the music we purchase. Why should I purchase music when i can’t even play it in a private setting for my family or friends (especially when it is in the background)? At some point, we need to make it clear to the record companies that it is our right as the consumer to play music for our friends as long as we are not trying to profit off it or take away profit from the artist/company.

]]> By: Mike Abundo http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-671094 Mike Abundo Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:14:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-671094 <i>Next thing ya know the RIAA and MPAA will be going after independent music or film creators to try to stop them from cuttting into their market share - not sure how they will do it, but certainly they will find away - after all their livelihood is in jeporady.</i> Easy. Start copyrighting musical elements. Next thing ya know the RIAA and MPAA will be going after independent music or film creators to try to stop them from cuttting into their market share - not sure how they will do it, but certainly they will find away - after all their livelihood is in jeporady.

Easy. Start copyrighting musical elements.

]]> By: Rob Mowery http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-670770 Rob Mowery Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:49:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-670770 Based on the KennyG comments I guess I should have opted for better music choice - so seems best thing to do is send the CD to Mike for his listening pleasure :-) On another note I agree with comments here regarding record labels being greedy vultures. Since I purchased the CD, my assumption was that I owned this music to utilize for non-commercial purposes of course. Like Shahar mentioned - this could be used to better market the artists, but RIAA is strong arming everyone - because they fear the future, when the artists get smart and say goodbye to records labels, management, etc. and the artists get all the profit. Personally my money and support now go to independents and anyone releasing in creative commons. The bigger headache and problem that I see is for all the social networking, video sites, filehosting sites, etc. Will the record labels, RIAA, and MPAA try to get laws passed that require the sites or the creators of those sites to monitor all conent or be subjected to some fine, etc.? What does this mean for creative freedom? Next thing ya know the RIAA and MPAA will be going after independent music or film creators to try to stop them from cuttting into their market share - not sure how they will do it, but certainly they will find away - after all their livelihood is in jeporady. Patricia's mention of a strike by the talent, could be the best thing ever. Time to pay the artist, musician, actor/actress, etc. the bulk of the $$ and cut out the fat middle man raking in all the profits. Based on the KennyG comments I guess I should have opted for better music choice - so seems best thing to do is send the CD to Mike for his listening pleasure :-)

On another note I agree with comments here regarding record labels being greedy vultures. Since I purchased the CD, my assumption was that I owned this music to utilize for non-commercial purposes of course. Like Shahar mentioned - this could be used to better market the artists, but RIAA is strong arming everyone - because they fear the future, when the artists get smart and say goodbye to records labels, management, etc. and the artists get all the profit. Personally my money and support now go to independents and anyone releasing in creative commons.

The bigger headache and problem that I see is for all the social networking, video sites, filehosting sites, etc. Will the record labels, RIAA, and MPAA try to get laws passed that require the sites or the creators of those sites to monitor all conent or be subjected to some fine, etc.?

What does this mean for creative freedom? Next thing ya know the RIAA and MPAA will be going after independent music or film creators to try to stop them from cuttting into their market share - not sure how they will do it, but certainly they will find away - after all their livelihood is in jeporady.

Patricia’s mention of a strike by the talent, could be the best thing ever. Time to pay the artist, musician, actor/actress, etc. the bulk of the $$ and cut out the fat middle man raking in all the profits.

]]> By: Lelia Katherine Thomas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-670329 Lelia Katherine Thomas Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:48:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-670329 This is so primitive that sometimes it's hilarious. I guess this is how the industry would have been back when homemade videotaping and editing first started taking hold, had the media gotten out and about, as it is now. Just think! I'm sure there are literally thousands of homemade videos with--gasp--music from big name record labels on it. OH NO! It seems very stupid, really. I think if Universal and other record labels wanted to help their industry, they would allow usage such as this, provided users linked to where one could purchase a CD or download of the music. It'd be free advertising. If anything, it reminds people of certain songs and perhaps makes them want to purchase them. And, let's be honest, just how many people were going to watch "Madison's Christening" to the point that it would harm their label? All Universal and other labels do when suing people is make enemies--enemies of those people and enemies of other buyers. But, well, if they can't understand that, I guess they'll just continue to lose money. This is so primitive that sometimes it’s hilarious. I guess this is how the industry would have been back when homemade videotaping and editing first started taking hold, had the media gotten out and about, as it is now. Just think! I’m sure there are literally thousands of homemade videos with–gasp–music from big name record labels on it. OH NO!

It seems very stupid, really. I think if Universal and other record labels wanted to help their industry, they would allow usage such as this, provided users linked to where one could purchase a CD or download of the music. It’d be free advertising. If anything, it reminds people of certain songs and perhaps makes them want to purchase them. And, let’s be honest, just how many people were going to watch “Madison’s Christening” to the point that it would harm their label?

All Universal and other labels do when suing people is make enemies–enemies of those people and enemies of other buyers. But, well, if they can’t understand that, I guess they’ll just continue to lose money.

]]> By: Tim Sewell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-669368 Tim Sewell Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:19:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-669368 This is just another example of the tendency of old media executives to cringe and lash out blindly in a desperate attempted defence of their jobs in the face of something they just don't understand. Who would ever have foreseen that the music and movie industries, for most of my life seen as the very epitome of 'cutting edge', would suddenly be stuck like rabbits in the headlights of the oncoming truck bearing, if they could only see it, opportunities beyond their dreams for the exploitation of their catalogues. It really does shed light on what must have been some woefully inadequate hiring policies in the 80s and early 90s that there is such a dearth of imagination within the major recording and movie studios that they cannot step up to the 'web plate' and make the sort of money from it that appears to be perfectly possible to guys renting offices over pizza parlours. This is just another example of the tendency of old media executives to cringe and lash out blindly in a desperate attempted defence of their jobs in the face of something they just don’t understand.

Who would ever have foreseen that the music and movie industries, for most of my life seen as the very epitome of ‘cutting edge’, would suddenly be stuck like rabbits in the headlights of the oncoming truck bearing, if they could only see it, opportunities beyond their dreams for the exploitation of their catalogues.

It really does shed light on what must have been some woefully inadequate hiring policies in the 80s and early 90s that there is such a dearth of imagination within the major recording and movie studios that they cannot step up to the ‘web plate’ and make the sort of money from it that appears to be perfectly possible to guys renting offices over pizza parlours.

]]> By: Josh http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-669005 Josh Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:55:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-669005 Arent there bigger fish to fry than somebody using Kenny G of all people for their family home video? Not only is it a horrible use of time and money but they are taking away free marketing. Who is to say that someone doesnt hear that song and goes straight to Itunes? These record companies need to reallocate their time. Arent there bigger fish to fry than somebody using Kenny G of all people for their family home video?

Not only is it a horrible use of time and money but they are taking away free marketing. Who is to say that someone doesnt hear that song and goes straight to Itunes? These record companies need to reallocate their time.

]]> By: David H. Deans http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668906 David H. Deans Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:22:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668906 The small independent record labels must be smiling as they read this storyline. Another RIAA gun practice: place barbed teflon-coated PR bullet in chamber; now shoot self in foot. Sony BMG had to think long and hard to top their Rootkit spyware fiasco -- however, with Grouper's help, they may just have another winner here. Bravo to the Sony/Grouper PR team who created this email communication. Also, when I read the words "under penalty of perjury" in the text, I wondered how many people immediately closed their Grouper account. That was the intent of this email, right? To make the recipient want to leave Grouper. The small independent record labels must be smiling as they read this storyline. Another RIAA gun practice: place barbed teflon-coated PR bullet in chamber; now shoot self in foot.

Sony BMG had to think long and hard to top their Rootkit spyware fiasco — however, with Grouper’s help, they may just have another winner here. Bravo to the Sony/Grouper PR team who created this email communication.

Also, when I read the words “under penalty of perjury” in the text, I wondered how many people immediately closed their Grouper account. That was the intent of this email, right? To make the recipient want to leave Grouper.

]]> By: Copyright Taliban http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668760 Copyright Taliban Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:38:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668760 The Taliban in Afghanistan had a total ban of music, whereas the "Copyright Taliban" (such as RIAA and Universal Music Group) in the West wants to ban people from using music as soundtrack for their home videos. The comic relief of banning Kenny G's music notwithstanding, this situation is entirely tragic and an insult to all the free-speech proponents in the civilized world. The Taliban in Afghanistan had a total ban of music, whereas the “Copyright Taliban” (such as RIAA and Universal Music Group) in the West wants to ban people from using music as soundtrack for their home videos.

The comic relief of banning Kenny G’s music notwithstanding, this situation is entirely tragic and an insult to all the free-speech proponents in the civilized world.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668662 Michael Arrington Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:05:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668662 Zaid - oh yeah. :-) Zaid - oh yeah. :-)

]]> By: Crunch addict http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668606 Crunch addict Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:38:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668606 Quite amazing that other sites, like DailyMotion just let user post full movies and stay off the radar (Full Borat movie, anyone? http://www.dailymotion.com/alltv/video/xvgi4_borat-part-1 ) At the same time, media companies are giving a hard time for Grouper over a private video w/KennyG bg music.. BTW, unlike grouper, DailyMotion are growing fast (Alexa 100 soon). Where sites like http://alluc.org are the mininova of online video.. Quite amazing that other sites, like DailyMotion just let user post full movies and stay off the radar

(Full Borat movie, anyone? http://www.dailymotion.com/all.....rat-part-1 )

At the same time, media companies are giving a hard time for Grouper over a private video w/KennyG bg music.. BTW, unlike grouper, DailyMotion are growing fast (Alexa 100 soon).

Where sites like http://alluc.org are the mininova of online video..

]]> By: Phillip http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668593 Phillip Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:30:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668593 So this brings up the question- if a UGV user makes a video, adds a soundtrack using a song that they bought or recorded from the radio, posts it somewhere for his friends- what law is broken? And does it make a sound if no one is around to hear it? So this brings up the question- if a UGV user makes a video, adds a soundtrack using a song that they bought or recorded from the radio, posts it somewhere for his friends- what law is broken? And does it make a sound if no one is around to hear it?

]]> By: Chris D http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668534 Chris D Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:04:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668534 Audio detection/matching is much simplier problem (in terms of algorithms) than video detection. That's why the UGC sites are starting with detecting copyright audio music. Audio detection/matching is much simplier problem (in terms of algorithms) than video detection. That’s why the UGC sites are starting with detecting copyright audio music.

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Grouper、「Kenny Gのアップロードは×」 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668481 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Grouper、「Kenny Gのアップロードは×」 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:44:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668481 [...] [原文へ] [...] [...] [原文へ] [...]

]]> By: Zaid http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668370 Zaid Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:02:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668370 "...won the acquisition lottery earlier THIS year and is now part of Sony, is beginning to take down user videos with copyrighted content." Welcome to 2007 Mike:) “…won the acquisition lottery earlier THIS year and is now part of Sony, is beginning to take down user videos with copyrighted content.”

Welcome to 2007 Mike:)

]]> By: Nicholas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668092 Nicholas Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:37:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-668092 It's so hard to forecast ahead of time as to what will happen with algorithms dedicated to screening and sniffing out copyrighted material... But, as I've heard Daily Motion, Youtube, etc. are already on the bandwagon on this... But, companies are softening up with regards to user content and copyrighted material as long as they can find a way to monetize and share in ad revenue... So, who knows if Kenny G will be forever banned from grouper... But from the sounds of these comments, he will be banned from all other music sites =) It’s so hard to forecast ahead of time as to what will happen with algorithms dedicated to screening and sniffing out copyrighted material… But, as I’ve heard Daily Motion, Youtube, etc. are already on the bandwagon on this…

But, companies are softening up with regards to user content and copyrighted material as long as they can find a way to monetize and share in ad revenue…

So, who knows if Kenny G will be forever banned from grouper… But from the sounds of these comments, he will be banned from all other music sites =)

]]> By: Pat Metheny http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667973 Pat Metheny Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:02:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667973 I play Kenny G music to my plants. It somehow comforts them. I play Kenny G music to my plants. It somehow comforts them.

]]> By: Andre SC http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667393 Andre SC Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:10:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667393 hey eaysy on Kenny, Like someone I know sayd when their band was being woo ed by Arista, on their way up to a boardroom with one of those milion dolar views - Kenny G was playing and the young exec proudly mentioned that they do Kenny G - she responded without thinking about the possible impact on their potential deal, - 'shit, It never even occured to me that someone has to actually make and market ellevator music...' :-) hey eaysy on Kenny, Like someone I know sayd when their band was being woo ed by Arista, on their way up to a boardroom with one of those milion dolar views - Kenny G was playing and the young exec proudly mentioned that they do Kenny G - she responded without thinking about the possible impact on their potential deal, - ’shit, It never even occured to me that someone has to actually make and market ellevator music…’ :-)

]]> By: Timothy Campbell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667334 Timothy Campbell Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:54:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667334 This is exactly how Nazi Germany started. This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.

]]> By: Rajeev Vashisht http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667327 Rajeev Vashisht Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:51:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/06/grouper-just-says-no-to-kenny-g/#comment-667327 Finer issues need additional coding, No software developer prognoses all possible scenarios. www.tekno-world.blogspot.com Finer issues need additional coding,
No software developer prognoses all possible scenarios.

http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com

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