Comments on: Amateur Hour At PayPerPost http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:41:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: DewKnight http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-687893 DewKnight Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:38:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-687893 You said it perfectly Shrikant Joshi You said it perfectly Shrikant Joshi

]]> By: Shrikant Joshi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-682335 Shrikant Joshi Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:52:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-682335 I think it had to do quite a lot with the member comments on Nick's post about the PPP deal. Members denounced PPP and the deal left, right and centre. Hmm, lemme see: Ads on Blogs - GOOD Pay per Post - BAD Premium Content - GOOD Pay Per Post - BAD Community Reviews - GOOD Pay Per Post - BAD Summing it up, as long as you are not associated with explicit financial motives, whatever you do is ALWAYS good. That's a thin red line, there. Weird sense of morality we have, eh? PS: I am not sure how many of you guys have noticed it, but suddenly the TC gang is jumping in and out of comments more often than it used to. What is it? A sudden fit of camarederie, guys? I think it had to do quite a lot with the member comments on Nick’s post about the PPP deal.

Members denounced PPP and the deal left, right and centre.

Hmm, lemme see:

Ads on Blogs - GOOD
Pay per Post - BAD

Premium Content - GOOD
Pay Per Post - BAD

Community Reviews - GOOD
Pay Per Post - BAD

Summing it up, as long as you are not associated with explicit financial motives, whatever you do is ALWAYS good. That’s a thin red line, there.

Weird sense of morality we have, eh?

PS: I am not sure how many of you guys have noticed it, but suddenly the TC gang is jumping in and out of comments more often than it used to. What is it?

A sudden fit of camarederie, guys?

]]> By: Link Dump: Saturday Fun » odd time signatures http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-671757 Link Dump: Saturday Fun » odd time signatures Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:21:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-671757 [...] The juvenile and inane comments by disciples of Mike Arrington and Arrington himself on the snarky, inaccurate, predictable and opinionated piece he wrote about the PayPerPost/Performancing deal falling through. [...] [...] The juvenile and inane comments by disciples of Mike Arrington and Arrington himself on the snarky, inaccurate, predictable and opinionated piece he wrote about the PayPerPost/Performancing deal falling through. [...]

]]> By: The Drunk http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-667883 The Drunk Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:31:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-667883 Pay Per Post is not unethical. It is simply different. Good quality chairs for a staff of professional sitters is an exceptionally good decision. It keeps people healthy and happy. It looks like PPP jumped the gun a little on getting the word out regarding the aquisition. They're a young company who lives and dies on blogging - what would you expect them to do? Pay Per Post is not unethical. It is simply different.

Good quality chairs for a staff of professional sitters is an exceptionally good decision. It keeps people healthy and happy.

It looks like PPP jumped the gun a little on getting the word out regarding the aquisition. They’re a young company who lives and dies on blogging - what would you expect them to do?

]]> By: Pay to Blog what’s the big deal? « Stuff that makes me go hmmn http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-667239 Pay to Blog what’s the big deal? « Stuff that makes me go hmmn Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:28:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-667239 [...] Pay to Blog what’s the big deal? 06Jan07 I was just over at tech crunch reading some of the broohah about some deal that fell through regarding performancing and payperpost and was kinda surpised at the level of snorting and derision being applied there. There is this guy named Ted, who like most people trying to get things off of the floor in life has managed to obtain $3 million dollars in funding for an idea, which he feels might just fly. So far he has managed to stir up a bit of controversy, with various high profile people like Matt Cutts coming out against the idea in general. [...] [...] Pay to Blog what’s the big deal? 06Jan07 I was just over at tech crunch reading some of the broohah about some deal that fell through regarding performancing and payperpost and was kinda surpised at the level of snorting and derision being applied there. There is this guy named Ted, who like most people trying to get things off of the floor in life has managed to obtain $3 million dollars in funding for an idea, which he feels might just fly. So far he has managed to stir up a bit of controversy, with various high profile people like Matt Cutts coming out against the idea in general. [...]

]]> By: robwatts http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666964 robwatts Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:11:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666964 >ppp livery trucks Thanks for those pics, I literally lol'ed Im with the anti bashing crowd, we can all theorise about ethics and motives until the cows come home, its a free economy full of people trying out new stuff, I dont see any real harm in that, the sky certainly isn't falling in. Its the quality of the posts that will count, sometimes people use their feet to vote, if these 'posties' talk a lot of crap just to earn a little $ then they'll lose readership and run their blogs into the ground. Hats off to this Bill and Ted chap for giving it a go at least - Looks like he is having an excellent adventure :D >ppp livery trucks

Thanks for those pics, I literally lol’ed

Im with the anti bashing crowd, we can all theorise about ethics and motives until the cows come home, its a free economy full of people trying out new stuff, I dont see any real harm in that, the sky certainly isn’t falling in. Its the quality of the posts that will count, sometimes people use their feet to vote, if these ‘posties’ talk a lot of crap just to earn a little $ then they’ll lose readership and run their blogs into the ground.

Hats off to this Bill and Ted chap for giving it a go at least - Looks like he is having an excellent adventure :D

]]> By: Aseem Behl http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666527 Aseem Behl Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:49:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666527 I don't understand why everybody is bashing Ted and PayPerPost. Why do you call PayPerPost unethical? What is wrong with a sponsored post with a disclosure? I just don't get it. PPP is keeping small bloggers motivated to continue blogging, it also helps them pay their blog hosting costs. IMHO it is going to help blogosphere grow instead.Michael Arrington just cannot understand that. Also it is clear from the Performancing and PPP blogs that the decision is mutual I don’t understand why everybody is bashing Ted and PayPerPost.

Why do you call PayPerPost unethical? What is wrong with a sponsored post with a disclosure? I just don’t get it. PPP is keeping small bloggers motivated to continue blogging, it also helps them pay their blog hosting costs. IMHO it is going to help blogosphere grow instead.Michael Arrington just cannot understand that.

Also it is clear from the Performancing and PPP blogs that the decision is mutual

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666445 Jonathan Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:22:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-666445 I don't know how much a used Herman Miller chair is going to save you. You must have really good connections if you can a used one for less than $400 :) The problem I have is that the bottom line is do you have a viable business model and how do you make your employees happy. Certainly a shiny new office with fingerprint scanner, a decked out cab, 24" wide screen flat screen can make anyone happy, but it's not going to make them want to stay at the office any longer than they have to. Who's going to visit the office anyway? It's a very niche market so why deck out a cab and drive it around town for show and tell? Do you really expect to pluck a blogger off the street who happens to see you drive your rig around? I hate to think what your employees think of your company after reading so much negative posts. It's very demoralizing to say the least. This company reminds me of my former employer. They told me when we moved into our swanky all glass office on the top floor back east that it's all about perceived value. They overshot their move in costs by 50K as they sunk a ton of dough on things that won't make them any money. Heck, we had portable Teknion furniture with a team that comprised of 1 dev and 1 designer. You are setting yourself up for short term sprint and you are in long term, unless your goal is to flip the company in 1-2 years. Then go ahead, put on a show. I just hope no buyer isn't dazzled by this cunning joke. I don’t know how much a used Herman Miller chair is going to save you. You must have really good connections if you can a used one for less than $400 :)

The problem I have is that the bottom line is do you have a viable business model and how do you make your employees happy. Certainly a shiny new office with fingerprint scanner, a decked out cab, 24″ wide screen flat screen can make anyone happy, but it’s not going to make them want to stay at the office any longer than they have to.

Who’s going to visit the office anyway? It’s a very niche market so why deck out a cab and drive it around town for show and tell? Do you really expect to pluck a blogger off the street who happens to see you drive your rig around?

I hate to think what your employees think of your company after reading so much negative posts. It’s very demoralizing to say the least.

This company reminds me of my former employer. They told me when we moved into our swanky all glass office on the top floor back east that it’s all about perceived value. They overshot their move in costs by 50K as they sunk a ton of dough on things that won’t make them any money. Heck, we had portable Teknion furniture with a team that comprised of 1 dev and 1 designer.

You are setting yourself up for short term sprint and you are in long term, unless your goal is to flip the company in 1-2 years. Then go ahead, put on a show. I just hope no buyer isn’t dazzled by this cunning joke.

]]> By: The Rotted Brain Podcast » Rotted Brain #43 1/05/07 - The Superhero Episode http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-665378 The Rotted Brain Podcast » Rotted Brain #43 1/05/07 - The Superhero Episode Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:22:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-665378 [...] 1. PayPerPost was just kidding when they promised to buy Performancing (TechCrunch) 2. iPod Shuffle knock-off company counter sues Apple for $100M (FT.com)(Arstechnica) 3. Wonder Woman deflects bullet with her bra and Superman saves man from subway train in NY (Newsvine) (Reuters) 4. Skype founders up to more than TVP (GigaOM) 5. Hogzilla slain (Newsvine)(Link) 6. Activity while gaming fights obesity (Engadget) [...] [...] 1. PayPerPost was just kidding when they promised to buy Performancing (TechCrunch) 2. iPod Shuffle knock-off company counter sues Apple for $100M (FT.com)(Arstechnica) 3. Wonder Woman deflects bullet with her bra and Superman saves man from subway train in NY (Newsvine) (Reuters) 4. Skype founders up to more than TVP (GigaOM) 5. Hogzilla slain (Newsvine)(Link) 6. Activity while gaming fights obesity (Engadget) [...]

]]> By: hyprtext » Blog Archive » PayPerPosts backs out http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-664371 hyprtext » Blog Archive » PayPerPosts backs out Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:00:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-664371 [...] Mike Arrington posts that the Performancing Metrics deal is off: It’s not often that a company announces the acquisition of another company and then subsequently walks away from the deal, but PayPerPost isn’t a typical kind of company. [...] [...] Mike Arrington posts that the Performancing Metrics deal is off: It’s not often that a company announces the acquisition of another company and then subsequently walks away from the deal, but PayPerPost isn’t a typical kind of company. [...]

]]> By: Content Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-664240 Content Blog Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:24:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-664240 <strong>PayPerPost Didn’t Acquire The Performancing Part After All...</strong> Whatever happened, the PayPerPost and Performancing deal fell through according a TechCrunch post after the guys at Performancing transfer to Scribefire, a new domain. ...... PayPerPost Didn’t Acquire The Performancing Part After All…

Whatever happened, the PayPerPost and Performancing deal fell through according a TechCrunch post after the guys at Performancing transfer to Scribefire, a new domain.

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]]> By: Jacob Wyke http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663850 Jacob Wyke Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:01:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663850 Oh what a great set of comments. If people havent already, then you have to spend 5 minutes watching the joke that is rockstartup - it seems to be a cross between the apprentice, the real world and the office and is just plain terrible. I would not be impressed watching this if I were investing in PPP as they are pissing away money on anything and everything in the hope of looking cool, young and hip. Oh what a great set of comments. If people havent already, then you have to spend 5 minutes watching the joke that is rockstartup - it seems to be a cross between the apprentice, the real world and the office and is just plain terrible. I would not be impressed watching this if I were investing in PPP as they are pissing away money on anything and everything in the hope of looking cool, young and hip.

]]> By: shadilac http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663734 shadilac Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:34:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663734 Did the web 2.0 blogging community finally hit saturation? Every blog I follow is getting more and more desperate and posting more and more crap. This community is getting less professional every day. I'm starting to get nostalgic for real journalists. Maybe it's time for some consolidation. Did the web 2.0 blogging community finally hit saturation? Every blog I follow is getting more and more desperate and posting more and more crap. This community is getting less professional every day. I’m starting to get nostalgic for real journalists. Maybe it’s time for some consolidation.

]]> By: Someone http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663558 Someone Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:05:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663558 I've worked for Ted in the past... he IS not someone I would ever want to work for ever ever again. I’ve worked for Ted in the past… he IS not someone I would ever want to work for ever ever again.

]]> By: Samer Bazzi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663534 Samer Bazzi Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:01:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663534 Does not seem doomed to me: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.payperpost.com also, i am not a big fan or PPP, i actually don't care what they do. I think that Michael and Ted should have a boxing match, lets see who will win and lets just solve this once and for all please! Anyway, good luck to both of them, obviously they have a BIG difference of opinion and it shows in all of the postings and replies about PPP. Does not seem doomed to me:

http://www.alexa.com/data/deta.....erpost.com

also, i am not a big fan or PPP, i actually don’t care what they do. I think that Michael and Ted should have a boxing match, lets see who will win and lets just solve this once and for all please!

Anyway, good luck to both of them, obviously they have a BIG difference of opinion and it shows in all of the postings and replies about PPP.

]]> By: Mathew Ingram http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663346 Mathew Ingram Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:59:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663346 I am no friend of PayPerPost -- although I think they have gotten better by requiring disclosure -- but I think you are being overly negative to put it mildly Mike. Calling off mergers when it doesn't look like there will be a good fit may not happen all the time, but it's not unheard of either, and from what Ted says it was not a signed deal but a letter of intent. Signing one of those and then getting a good look at the assets and realizing they won't work is nothing to be ashamed of, and it's a little naieve to suggest that it is. I am no friend of PayPerPost — although I think they have gotten better by requiring disclosure — but I think you are being overly negative to put it mildly Mike. Calling off mergers when it doesn’t look like there will be a good fit may not happen all the time, but it’s not unheard of either, and from what Ted says it was not a signed deal but a letter of intent. Signing one of those and then getting a good look at the assets and realizing they won’t work is nothing to be ashamed of, and it’s a little naieve to suggest that it is.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663310 Brandon Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:53:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663310 I need a new chair actually, any advice from a chair seeking guru...Ted? I need a new chair actually, any advice from a chair seeking guru…Ted?

]]> By: Deepak http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663295 Deepak Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:49:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663295 Sad all round actually. Poorly handled from the M&A perspective and the PR perspective. Not sure how this impacts PPP, but it hurts Performancing a lot and I liked their offerings. Sad all round actually. Poorly handled from the M&A perspective and the PR perspective. Not sure how this impacts PPP, but it hurts Performancing a lot and I liked their offerings.

]]> By: Jay Adair http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663203 Jay Adair Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:31:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663203 Very amusing post and comments, thank-you for the light-hearted humour Ted & Michael :) Nothing wrong with Ikea desks though. Very amusing post and comments, thank-you for the light-hearted humour Ted & Michael :) Nothing wrong with Ikea desks though.

]]> By: Janson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663045 Janson Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:42:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-663045 WTF! This is the most assholic thing one company can do to another. Stupid of Performancing not to sign a binding agreement prior to the announcement. WTF! This is the most assholic thing one company can do to another. Stupid of Performancing not to sign a binding agreement prior to the announcement.

]]> By: DewKnight http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662993 DewKnight Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:27:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662993 Most of you people whoa re doing the bashing seem to have no idea why you really hate PayPerPost, you just hate them. You need to understand the company a little more, and how it all works before you can hate them. skittles rule Most of you people whoa re doing the bashing seem to have no idea why you really hate PayPerPost, you just hate them. You need to understand the company a little more, and how it all works before you can hate them.

skittles rule

]]> By: Jim Durbin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662910 Jim Durbin Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:53:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662910 I feel for Performancing - when I heard PPP was acquiring them, I pulled the advertising off all of my blogs (I had just started, so no big loss to them), but I wonder how many other people did the same. Currently, I just block out blogs with the PPP logo - I was about to do the same with Performancing - I wonder how many blogs and/or readers have done the same. I feel for Performancing - when I heard PPP was acquiring them, I pulled the advertising off all of my blogs (I had just started, so no big loss to them), but I wonder how many other people did the same.

Currently, I just block out blogs with the PPP logo - I was about to do the same with Performancing - I wonder how many blogs and/or readers have done the same.

]]> By: Paul http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662876 Paul Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:39:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662876 Ted, More company related stuff in RockStartup please. Thanks. :) Ted,

More company related stuff in RockStartup please. Thanks. :)

]]> By: CrunchBack http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662833 CrunchBack Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:23:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662833 I thought it was an amateur move when first announced on TechCrunch. See http://johntreadway.typepad.com/crunchback/2006/12/crunchback_payp.html You don't announce a deal before you've done some level of due diligence with the teams and customers. DFJ should clean house over there. I thought it was an amateur move when first announced on TechCrunch. See http://johntreadway.typepad.co....._payp.html

You don’t announce a deal before you’ve done some level of due diligence with the teams and customers. DFJ should clean house over there.

]]> By: Tecnorantes » Las startups y las sillas. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662828 Tecnorantes » Las startups y las sillas. Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:22:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/payperpost-walks-from-performancing-deal/#comment-662828 [...] Vergonzoso el nivel de comentarios en este post de Techcrunch sobre la fallida operación de comprar de Performacing por Payperpost. Es evidente que a Arrington y mucha mas gente no les cae bien la gente de PPP, pero empezar como niños pequeños, a echar en cara que si se han comprado sillas de 700$, que si son de segunda mano, que si la silla de Ikea de 90$ es suficiente o que si uno esta gordo o no empieza a demostrar el nivel de muchos. [...] [...] Vergonzoso el nivel de comentarios en este post de Techcrunch sobre la fallida operación de comprar de Performacing por Payperpost. Es evidente que a Arrington y mucha mas gente no les cae bien la gente de PPP, pero empezar como niños pequeños, a echar en cara que si se han comprado sillas de 700$, que si son de segunda mano, que si la silla de Ikea de 90$ es suficiente o que si uno esta gordo o no empieza a demostrar el nivel de muchos. [...]

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