Comments on: Google “Tips” Pulled? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/ Startup and Technology News Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:35:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Is Yahoo Search Better Than Google? : Appendum.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2040426 Is Yahoo Search Better Than Google? : Appendum.com Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:35:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2040426 [...] depth:1 will include www.google.com/help/features.html because it has a single directory, but not www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled, which has three directories. This could be useful to find web pages that are important relatively [...] [...] depth:1 will include http://www.google.com/help/features.html because it has a single directory, but not http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....ips-pulled, which has three directories. This could be useful to find web pages that are important relatively [...]

]]> By: Ryan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-675863 Ryan Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:06:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-675863 I personally agree with people who see no evil here. It IS their site and they'd be fullish not to promote their services there, either as sponsored or organic results. No harm done. What I find amusing is if you search MSN for "spreadsheets", Google Spearsheets links come up above the rest :) Is MS so fair that they don't promote Office on their own search engine? :) I personally agree with people who see no evil here. It IS their site and they’d be fullish not to promote their services there, either as sponsored or organic results. No harm done. What I find amusing is if you search MSN for “spreadsheets”, Google Spearsheets links come up above the rest :) Is MS so fair that they don’t promote Office on their own search engine? :)

]]> By: fredhead http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-668320 fredhead Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:46:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-668320 in addition its interesting to look at how google promotes its services in its own web results - this is surely more 'evil' than tips. e.g. im sure google spreadsheets its not the most relevant thing for this search even though its in the first 2 results twice: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=spreadsheets&btnG=Search in addition its interesting to look at how google promotes its services in its own web results - this is surely more ‘evil’ than tips. e.g. im sure google spreadsheets its not the most relevant thing for this search even though its in the first 2 results twice: http://www.google.com/search?h.....tnG=Search

]]> By: Google “Tips” Pulled? « Universe_JDJ’s News Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664290 Google “Tips” Pulled? « Universe_JDJ’s News Blog Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:36:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664290 [...] read more | digg story [...] [...] read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: Jason http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664243 Jason Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:24:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664243 @7136398 i think ryanw was right in what he said, you're just not comprehending it. take this example: internet explorer is dominant in MARKET SHARE compared to firefox. according to most of the blog-o-web, firefox is by far the superior browser. by your logic everyone who claims firefox is better is wrong because more people use internet explorer, so i.e. must be better. yet, i.e. is not BETTER, they just have a more widely known name - hence dominant market share. more people using, voting for or whatever does not make a thing - be it website, software or person - better. ownership of the market and product quality don't have to go hand-in-hand. @7136398

i think ryanw was right in what he said, you’re just not comprehending it. take this example:

internet explorer is dominant in MARKET SHARE compared to firefox.
according to most of the blog-o-web, firefox is by far the superior browser.
by your logic everyone who claims firefox is better is wrong because more people use internet explorer, so i.e. must be better.
yet, i.e. is not BETTER, they just have a more widely known name - hence dominant market share.

more people using, voting for or whatever does not make a thing - be it website, software or person - better. ownership of the market and product quality don’t have to go hand-in-hand.

]]> By: Michael Savoy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663914 Michael Savoy Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:28:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663914 Credit Google with the foresight to realize how quickly company goodwill can dissipate as the 800 lb gorilla of the internet. Microsoft only paid attention to its stock price with an attitude towards their customers that said try to do without us, where you gonna go? Microsoft first bought up any company they felt, hey, maybe this is the Windows Killer , secondly loaded up their software with all sorts of gizmos, IE browser capability, unrelated to their core product and what was eventually determined to be anti-trust. Google has great instincts common sense to realize why antagonize the web. our customers, clients?? a good business practices concept tMicrosoft is absolutely incapable of comprehending. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Credit Google with the foresight to realize how quickly company goodwill can dissipate as the 800 lb gorilla of the internet. Microsoft
only paid attention to its stock price with an attitude towards their customers that said try to do without us, where you gonna go?

Microsoft first bought up any company they felt, hey, maybe this is the Windows Killer , secondly loaded up their software with all sorts
of gizmos, IE browser capability, unrelated to their core product and what was eventually determined to be anti-trust.

Google has great instincts common sense to realize why antagonize
the web. our customers, clients?? a good business practices concept tMicrosoft is absolutely incapable of comprehending. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

]]> By: Friday Tea Time (Weekly Roundup) » TheMadHat http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663887 Friday Tea Time (Weekly Roundup) » TheMadHat Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:19:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663887 [...] * I initially wasn’t going to include this, but Google pulls it tips from searches. Overreaction in my opinion, I didn’t mind them. [...] [...] * I initially wasn’t going to include this, but Google pulls it tips from searches. Overreaction in my opinion, I didn’t mind them. [...]

]]> By: 7136398 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663547 7136398 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:03:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663547 @RyanW: "I think we need only look at myspace to see an example of a poor product with lots of better alternatives that is blowing the competition away in terms of marketshare." I think you need a different definition of "better". If it is "blowing away the competition", then it _is_ better. Maybe, in theory, the site could be prettier or easier to use, and in some way be better still, but if it is used more, then those are simply more people "voting" for it as their choice for the better alternative. @RyanW:

“I think we need only look at myspace to see an example of a poor product with lots of better alternatives that is blowing the competition away in terms of marketshare.”

I think you need a different definition of “better”. If it is “blowing away the competition”, then it _is_ better. Maybe, in theory, the site could be prettier or easier to use, and in some way be better still, but if it is used more, then those are simply more people “voting” for it as their choice for the better alternative.

]]> By: Ron Diggity http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663419 Ron Diggity Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:21:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663419 HAHA...Google got Pwn'd!! Listen to the users cause we are your master! HAHA…Google got Pwn’d!! Listen to the users cause we are your master!

]]> By: Martin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662841 Martin Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:25:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662841 A handful of bloggers moan means "the world generally piled on". Come on, get a grip on reality. A handful of bloggers moan means “the world generally piled on”. Come on, get a grip on reality.

]]> By: elvirs http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662683 elvirs Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:19:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662683 few days ago my the java runtime environment asked for update and during update the window saying "download google toolbar" and "download google desktop" was there, toolbar one was already checked but the desktop was not. obviously google agreed with sun, but just a moment, what if microsoft does the same with windows for their live services? then google will get fckd:) i think google should step back from this agressive strategy. few days ago my the java runtime environment asked for update and during update the window saying “download google toolbar” and “download google desktop” was there, toolbar one was already checked but the desktop was not.
obviously google agreed with sun, but just a moment, what if microsoft does the same with windows for their live services? then google will get fckd:)
i think google should step back from this agressive strategy.

]]> By: The Last Word (Beta) http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662626 The Last Word (Beta) Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:52:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662626 <strong>Advertisements where you wouldn't expect them...</strong> The latest buzz doing the round of all the 'well-known' bloggers is how Google has begun pushing it's own services. Unfortunately or not, this is true. If you do a search for anything which has a remo...... Advertisements where you wouldn’t expect them…

The latest buzz doing the round of all the ‘well-known’ bloggers is how Google has begun pushing it’s own services. Unfortunately or not, this is true. If you do a search for anything which has a remo……

]]> By: Techulate http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662386 Techulate Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:36:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662386 <strong>Google Caves in to the Blogosphere, Removes Tips...</strong> Yes, you read that right, Google has caved in to pressure from the blogosphere and removed the tips which were advertising it's own services above search results on their search engine. I made my opinion on the matter quite clear in this post, but in ... Google Caves in to the Blogosphere, Removes Tips…

Yes, you read that right, Google has caved in to pressure from the blogosphere and removed the tips which were advertising it’s own services above search results on their search engine. I made my opinion on the matter quite clear in this post, but in …

]]> By: digitalwar.de » Blog Archive » Google entfernt “Tipps” bei Suchergebnissen http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662060 digitalwar.de » Blog Archive » Google entfernt “Tipps” bei Suchergebnissen Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:59:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662060 [...] via Techcrunch, mich überrascht es ein bisschen aber auf jeden Fall eine gute Sache. Bis vor ein paar Tagen noch erschienen bei Suchen wie z.B. “Blog” oder “Kalendar” über dem Suchergebniss (und auch über den AdWords Anzeigen) ein “Tipp” vom jeweiligen Google Pedant, also z.B. Blogger.com oder Google Calendar. [...] [...] via Techcrunch, mich überrascht es ein bisschen aber auf jeden Fall eine gute Sache. Bis vor ein paar Tagen noch erschienen bei Suchen wie z.B. “Blog” oder “Kalendar” über dem Suchergebniss (und auch über den AdWords Anzeigen) ein “Tipp” vom jeweiligen Google Pedant, also z.B. Blogger.com oder Google Calendar. [...]

]]> By: Dory http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662033 Dory Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:50:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662033 Does not look like they have stopped 25 searches result Google as a result on first page. Often either sponsored or conveniently ranked. 50 ads where found all together in this short search. 20 ads(40%) of which where sponsored results. View ad screenshots. http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=google2007cm3.gif Search Terms used. Books, patent search, Video, News, Maps, Email, Calendar, Calendars, Spreadsheets, Spreadsheet, On-line payments, Online payments, Payments, Desktop, Earth, Finance, Business News, Mobile, Blog, Globe, Online Shop, Online Shopping, Web, Web Accelerator, Sketch Does not look like they have stopped

25 searches result Google as a result on first page. Often either sponsored or conveniently ranked. 50 ads where found all together in this short search. 20 ads(40%) of which where sponsored results.

View ad screenshots. http://img113.imageshack.us/my.....007cm3.gif

Search Terms used.
Books, patent search, Video, News, Maps, Email, Calendar, Calendars, Spreadsheets,
Spreadsheet, On-line payments, Online payments, Payments, Desktop, Earth, Finance,
Business News, Mobile, Blog, Globe, Online Shop, Online Shopping, Web, Web Accelerator,
Sketch

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661964 Chris Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:28:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661964 Maybe Blake Ross should also listen to bloggers complaints about Firefox? Disclaimer: I use Firefox and think it's great but there's some bugs that are a constant nuisance. Maybe Blake Ross should also listen to bloggers complaints about Firefox?

Disclaimer: I use Firefox and think it’s great but there’s some bugs that are a constant nuisance.

]]> By: Internet Business - » Google preference to their own products in search results http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661762 Internet Business - » Google preference to their own products in search results Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:17:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661762 [...] Google preference to their own products in search results By ian There was some controversy over google giving preference to some of its own products within search results. I dont think this is the right thing to do, imagine the money they could make by acquiring new companies and pushing them to the top of their search results. But they would also lose a lot of credibility as well. According to this post at techcrunch, they have stopped doing that. Once a company gets to the size of google, they come under all kinds of scrutiny and strict standards, like those imposed on Microsoft. [...] [...] Google preference to their own products in search results By ian There was some controversy over google giving preference to some of its own products within search results. I dont think this is the right thing to do, imagine the money they could make by acquiring new companies and pushing them to the top of their search results. But they would also lose a lot of credibility as well. According to this post at techcrunch, they have stopped doing that. Once a company gets to the size of google, they come under all kinds of scrutiny and strict standards, like those imposed on Microsoft. [...]

]]> By: Blake Ross http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661636 Blake Ross Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:58:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661636 I find it strange how many people here are complaining that Google gave into "bloggers" given that, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people disagreed with my position on these tips. I spent many hours debating (and reconsidering, and reshaping) that position. I know from working on Firefox how important it is to put feedback in perspective, and I'm confident (and happy) that Google is not the kind of company that makes rash decisions based on whoever is loudest. If the recent discussions played any role in Google's decision to turn off the tips, I imagine it was simply to spark some debate within the company. And that's fine by me, since that was the only purpose of the post in the first place. I find it strange how many people here are complaining that Google gave into “bloggers” given that, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people disagreed with my position on these tips. I spent many hours debating (and reconsidering, and reshaping) that position.

I know from working on Firefox how important it is to put feedback in perspective, and I’m confident (and happy) that Google is not the kind of company that makes rash decisions based on whoever is loudest. If the recent discussions played any role in Google’s decision to turn off the tips, I imagine it was simply to spark some debate within the company. And that’s fine by me, since that was the only purpose of the post in the first place.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661594 Michael Arrington Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:34:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661594 fancis - yep. see #3 above. and my original post. fancis - yep. see #3 above. and my original post.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661060 Jonathan Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:05:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661060 "Tips" may be gone, but a quick search for "spreadsheet" and "calendar" resulted in links to Google services at the top of the page in a sponsored link box. “Tips” may be gone, but a quick search for “spreadsheet” and “calendar” resulted in links to Google services at the top of the page in a sponsored link box.

]]> By: fancis http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660977 fancis Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:30:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660977 Big Deal. You know what? YOU would promote your own products over other crappier competitors as well. Man, I saw it and i didn't care. Bloggers really need to suck it up. I just saw post here on techcrunch over crunchgear. Is that as bad? No because they are getting the word out about one of their related products. That is exactly what google is doing. Bloggers need to suck it up. Big Deal. You know what? YOU would promote your own products over other crappier competitors as well. Man, I saw it and i didn’t care. Bloggers really need to suck it up. I just saw post here on techcrunch over crunchgear. Is that as bad? No because they are getting the word out about one of their related products. That is exactly what google is doing. Bloggers need to suck it up.

]]> By: pushpendrakumar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660789 pushpendrakumar Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:13:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660789 That Ok, cHHERS That Ok,
cHHERS

]]> By: John Knight http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660786 John Knight Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:12:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660786 I suspect it was more about annoyed advertisers rather than a concession to the whiny bloggers. I suspect it was more about annoyed advertisers rather than a concession to the whiny bloggers.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660764 Michael Arrington Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:02:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660764 #20, #22, sure. and just for the record, i said google had every right to do this, and i had no issue with it at all. #20, #22, sure. and just for the record, i said google had every right to do this, and i had no issue with it at all.

]]> By: pushpendrakumar http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660748 pushpendrakumar Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:54:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-660748 yes, I think Brandon is right, his comment makes sense. yes, I think Brandon is right, his comment makes sense.

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