Comments on: Google “Tips” Pulled? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:20:00 -0800 hourly 1 By: New Google is the old Microsoft | Test Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2926464 New Google is the old Microsoft | Test Blog Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:02:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2926464 [...] is eroding the meritocracy they helped create, and the search giant abuses its power when they promote their often inferior services outside or above search [...] [...] is eroding the meritocracy they helped create, and the search giant abuses its power when they promote their often inferior services outside or above search [...]

]]> By: TechConsumer.com » Blog Archive » Google Increasing (Or Decreasing?) Self Promotion… Again http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2801076 TechConsumer.com » Blog Archive » Google Increasing (Or Decreasing?) Self Promotion… Again Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:36:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2801076 [...] The plot thickens: looks like Google has yanked its "tips" from search results, at least temporarily. Who knows, though, try a search for [...] [...] The plot thickens: looks like Google has yanked its "tips" from search results, at least temporarily. Who knows, though, try a search for [...]

]]> By: Blogging Power - Too Much Too Soon? — Shooting at Bubbles http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2736726 Blogging Power - Too Much Too Soon? — Shooting at Bubbles Fri, 08 May 2009 01:53:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2736726 [...] was quite apparent in a comment made on the TechCrunch post by Jason about Michael’s statement “…criticized the change in a widely read blog post, and [...] [...] was quite apparent in a comment made on the TechCrunch post by Jason about Michael’s statement “…criticized the change in a widely read blog post, and [...]

]]> By: WinExtra - Blogging Power - Too Much Too Soon? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2460110 WinExtra - Blogging Power - Too Much Too Soon? Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:48:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2460110 [...] was quite apparent in a comment made on the TechCrunch post by Jason about Michael’s statement “…criticized the change in a widely read blog post, and [...] [...] was quite apparent in a comment made on the TechCrunch post by Jason about Michael’s statement “…criticized the change in a widely read blog post, and [...]

]]> By: Google Increasing (Or Decreasing?) Self Promotion… Again | Bob Caswell http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2441631 Google Increasing (Or Decreasing?) Self Promotion… Again | Bob Caswell Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:52:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2441631 [...] The plot thickens: looks like Google has yanked its “tips” from search results, at least temporarily. Who knows, though, try a search [...] [...] The plot thickens: looks like Google has yanked its “tips” from search results, at least temporarily. Who knows, though, try a search [...]

]]> By: SitePoint Blogs » Information Silos are Bad for the Web http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2440586 SitePoint Blogs » Information Silos are Bad for the Web Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:23:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2440586 [...] “Google Tips” that would push links to Google content first and foremost. (Tips was pulled just a few weeks after it debuted.) The reason for this type of internal linking is easy to fathom: [...] [...] “Google Tips” that would push links to Google content first and foremost. (Tips was pulled just a few weeks after it debuted.) The reason for this type of internal linking is easy to fathom: [...]

]]> By: Is Yahoo Search Better Than Google? : Appendum.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-2/#comment-2040426 Is Yahoo Search Better Than Google? : Appendum.com Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:35:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-2040426 [...] depth:1 will include www.google.com/help/features.html because it has a single directory, but not www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled, which has three directories. This could be useful to find web pages that are important relatively [...] [...] depth:1 will include http://www.goog...p/features.html because it has a single directory, but not http://www.tech...gle-tips-pulled, which has three directories. This could be useful to find web pages that are important relatively [...]

]]> By: Ryan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-675863 Ryan Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:06:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-675863 I personally agree with people who see no evil here. It IS their site and they'd be fullish not to promote their services there, either as sponsored or organic results. No harm done. What I find amusing is if you search MSN for "spreadsheets", Google Spearsheets links come up above the rest :) Is MS so fair that they don't promote Office on their own search engine? :) I personally agree with people who see no evil here. It IS their site and they’d be fullish not to promote their services there, either as sponsored or organic results. No harm done. What I find amusing is if you search MSN for “spreadsheets”, Google Spearsheets links come up above the rest :) Is MS so fair that they don’t promote Office on their own search engine? :)

]]> By: fredhead http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-668320 fredhead Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:46:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-668320 in addition its interesting to look at how google promotes its services in its own web results - this is surely more 'evil' than tips. e.g. im sure google spreadsheets its not the most relevant thing for this search even though its in the first 2 results twice: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=spreadsheets&btnG=Search in addition its interesting to look at how google promotes its services in its own web results – this is surely more ‘evil’ than tips. e.g. im sure google spreadsheets its not the most relevant thing for this search even though its in the first 2 results twice: http://www.goog...amp;btnG=Search

]]> By: Google “Tips” Pulled? « Universe_JDJ’s News Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-664290 Google “Tips” Pulled? « Universe_JDJ’s News Blog Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:36:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664290 [...] read more | digg story [...] [...] read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: Jason http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-664243 Jason Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:24:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-664243 @7136398 i think ryanw was right in what he said, you're just not comprehending it. take this example: internet explorer is dominant in MARKET SHARE compared to firefox. according to most of the blog-o-web, firefox is by far the superior browser. by your logic everyone who claims firefox is better is wrong because more people use internet explorer, so i.e. must be better. yet, i.e. is not BETTER, they just have a more widely known name - hence dominant market share. more people using, voting for or whatever does not make a thing - be it website, software or person - better. ownership of the market and product quality don't have to go hand-in-hand. @7136398

i think ryanw was right in what he said, you’re just not comprehending it. take this example:

internet explorer is dominant in MARKET SHARE compared to firefox.
according to most of the blog-o-web, firefox is by far the superior browser.
by your logic everyone who claims firefox is better is wrong because more people use internet explorer, so i.e. must be better.
yet, i.e. is not BETTER, they just have a more widely known name – hence dominant market share.

more people using, voting for or whatever does not make a thing – be it website, software or person – better. ownership of the market and product quality don’t have to go hand-in-hand.

]]> By: Michael Savoy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-663914 Michael Savoy Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:28:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663914 Credit Google with the foresight to realize how quickly company goodwill can dissipate as the 800 lb gorilla of the internet. Microsoft only paid attention to its stock price with an attitude towards their customers that said try to do without us, where you gonna go? Microsoft first bought up any company they felt, hey, maybe this is the Windows Killer , secondly loaded up their software with all sorts of gizmos, IE browser capability, unrelated to their core product and what was eventually determined to be anti-trust. Google has great instincts common sense to realize why antagonize the web. our customers, clients?? a good business practices concept tMicrosoft is absolutely incapable of comprehending. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Credit Google with the foresight to realize how quickly company goodwill can dissipate as the 800 lb gorilla of the internet. Microsoft
only paid attention to its stock price with an attitude towards their customers that said try to do without us, where you gonna go?

Microsoft first bought up any company they felt, hey, maybe this is the Windows Killer , secondly loaded up their software with all sorts
of gizmos, IE browser capability, unrelated to their core product and what was eventually determined to be anti-trust.

Google has great instincts common sense to realize why antagonize
the web. our customers, clients?? a good business practices concept tMicrosoft is absolutely incapable of comprehending. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

]]> By: Friday Tea Time (Weekly Roundup) » TheMadHat http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-663887 Friday Tea Time (Weekly Roundup) » TheMadHat Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:19:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663887 [...] * I initially wasn’t going to include this, but Google pulls it tips from searches. Overreaction in my opinion, I didn’t mind them. [...] [...] * I initially wasn’t going to include this, but Google pulls it tips from searches. Overreaction in my opinion, I didn’t mind them. [...]

]]> By: 7136398 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-663547 7136398 Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:03:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663547 @RyanW: "I think we need only look at myspace to see an example of a poor product with lots of better alternatives that is blowing the competition away in terms of marketshare." I think you need a different definition of "better". If it is "blowing away the competition", then it _is_ better. Maybe, in theory, the site could be prettier or easier to use, and in some way be better still, but if it is used more, then those are simply more people "voting" for it as their choice for the better alternative. @RyanW:

“I think we need only look at myspace to see an example of a poor product with lots of better alternatives that is blowing the competition away in terms of marketshare.”

I think you need a different definition of “better”. If it is “blowing away the competition”, then it _is_ better. Maybe, in theory, the site could be prettier or easier to use, and in some way be better still, but if it is used more, then those are simply more people “voting” for it as their choice for the better alternative.

]]> By: Ron Diggity http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-663419 Ron Diggity Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:21:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-663419 HAHA...Google got Pwn'd!! Listen to the users cause we are your master! HAHA…Google got Pwn’d!! Listen to the users cause we are your master!

]]> By: Martin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662841 Martin Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:25:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662841 A handful of bloggers moan means "the world generally piled on". Come on, get a grip on reality. A handful of bloggers moan means “the world generally piled on”. Come on, get a grip on reality.

]]> By: elvirs http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662683 elvirs Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:19:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662683 few days ago my the java runtime environment asked for update and during update the window saying "download google toolbar" and "download google desktop" was there, toolbar one was already checked but the desktop was not. obviously google agreed with sun, but just a moment, what if microsoft does the same with windows for their live services? then google will get fckd:) i think google should step back from this agressive strategy. few days ago my the java runtime environment asked for update and during update the window saying “download google toolbar” and “download google desktop” was there, toolbar one was already checked but the desktop was not.
obviously google agreed with sun, but just a moment, what if microsoft does the same with windows for their live services? then google will get fckd:)
i think google should step back from this agressive strategy.

]]> By: The Last Word (Beta) http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662626 The Last Word (Beta) Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:52:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662626 <strong>Advertisements where you wouldn't expect them...</strong> The latest buzz doing the round of all the 'well-known' bloggers is how Google has begun pushing it's own services. Unfortunately or not, this is true. If you do a search for anything which has a remo...... Advertisements where you wouldn’t expect them…

The latest buzz doing the round of all the ‘well-known’ bloggers is how Google has begun pushing it’s own services. Unfortunately or not, this is true. If you do a search for anything which has a remo……

]]> By: Techulate http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662386 Techulate Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:36:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662386 <strong>Google Caves in to the Blogosphere, Removes Tips...</strong> Yes, you read that right, Google has caved in to pressure from the blogosphere and removed the tips which were advertising it's own services above search results on their search engine. I made my opinion on the matter quite clear in this post, but in ... Google Caves in to the Blogosphere, Removes Tips…

Yes, you read that right, Google has caved in to pressure from the blogosphere and removed the tips which were advertising it’s own services above search results on their search engine. I made my opinion on the matter quite clear in this post, but in …

]]> By: digitalwar.de » Blog Archive » Google entfernt “Tipps” bei Suchergebnissen http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662060 digitalwar.de » Blog Archive » Google entfernt “Tipps” bei Suchergebnissen Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:59:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662060 [...] via Techcrunch, mich überrascht es ein bisschen aber auf jeden Fall eine gute Sache. Bis vor ein paar Tagen noch erschienen bei Suchen wie z.B. “Blog” oder “Kalendar” über dem Suchergebniss (und auch über den AdWords Anzeigen) ein “Tipp” vom jeweiligen Google Pedant, also z.B. Blogger.com oder Google Calendar. [...] [...] via Techcrunch, mich überrascht es ein bisschen aber auf jeden Fall eine gute Sache. Bis vor ein paar Tagen noch erschienen bei Suchen wie z.B. “Blog” oder “Kalendar” über dem Suchergebniss (und auch über den AdWords Anzeigen) ein “Tipp” vom jeweiligen Google Pedant, also z.B. Blogger.com oder Google Calendar. [...]

]]> By: Dory http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-662033 Dory Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:50:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-662033 Does not look like they have stopped 25 searches result Google as a result on first page. Often either sponsored or conveniently ranked. 50 ads where found all together in this short search. 20 ads(40%) of which where sponsored results. View ad screenshots. http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=google2007cm3.gif Search Terms used. Books, patent search, Video, News, Maps, Email, Calendar, Calendars, Spreadsheets, Spreadsheet, On-line payments, Online payments, Payments, Desktop, Earth, Finance, Business News, Mobile, Blog, Globe, Online Shop, Online Shopping, Web, Web Accelerator, Sketch Does not look like they have stopped

25 searches result Google as a result on first page. Often either sponsored or conveniently ranked. 50 ads where found all together in this short search. 20 ads(40%) of which where sponsored results.

View ad screenshots. http://img113.i...ogle2007cm3.gif

Search Terms used.
Books, patent search, Video, News, Maps, Email, Calendar, Calendars, Spreadsheets,
Spreadsheet, On-line payments, Online payments, Payments, Desktop, Earth, Finance,
Business News, Mobile, Blog, Globe, Online Shop, Online Shopping, Web, Web Accelerator,
Sketch

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-661964 Chris Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:28:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661964 Maybe Blake Ross should also listen to bloggers complaints about Firefox? Disclaimer: I use Firefox and think it's great but there's some bugs that are a constant nuisance. Maybe Blake Ross should also listen to bloggers complaints about Firefox?

Disclaimer: I use Firefox and think it’s great but there’s some bugs that are a constant nuisance.

]]> By: Internet Business - » Google preference to their own products in search results http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-661762 Internet Business - » Google preference to their own products in search results Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:17:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661762 [...] Google preference to their own products in search results By ian There was some controversy over google giving preference to some of its own products within search results. I dont think this is the right thing to do, imagine the money they could make by acquiring new companies and pushing them to the top of their search results. But they would also lose a lot of credibility as well. According to this post at techcrunch, they have stopped doing that. Once a company gets to the size of google, they come under all kinds of scrutiny and strict standards, like those imposed on Microsoft. [...] [...] Google preference to their own products in search results By ian There was some controversy over google giving preference to some of its own products within search results. I dont think this is the right thing to do, imagine the money they could make by acquiring new companies and pushing them to the top of their search results. But they would also lose a lot of credibility as well. According to this post at techcrunch, they have stopped doing that. Once a company gets to the size of google, they come under all kinds of scrutiny and strict standards, like those imposed on Microsoft. [...]

]]> By: Blake Ross http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-661636 Blake Ross Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:58:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661636 I find it strange how many people here are complaining that Google gave into "bloggers" given that, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people disagreed with my position on these tips. I spent many hours debating (and reconsidering, and reshaping) that position. I know from working on Firefox how important it is to put feedback in perspective, and I'm confident (and happy) that Google is not the kind of company that makes rash decisions based on whoever is loudest. If the recent discussions played any role in Google's decision to turn off the tips, I imagine it was simply to spark some debate within the company. And that's fine by me, since that was the only purpose of the post in the first place. I find it strange how many people here are complaining that Google gave into “bloggers” given that, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people disagreed with my position on these tips. I spent many hours debating (and reconsidering, and reshaping) that position.

I know from working on Firefox how important it is to put feedback in perspective, and I’m confident (and happy) that Google is not the kind of company that makes rash decisions based on whoever is loudest. If the recent discussions played any role in Google’s decision to turn off the tips, I imagine it was simply to spark some debate within the company. And that’s fine by me, since that was the only purpose of the post in the first place.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/comment-page-1/#comment-661594 Michael Arrington Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:34:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/google-tips-pulled/#comment-661594 fancis - yep. see #3 above. and my original post. fancis – yep. see #3 above. and my original post.

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