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]]> By: Google Woes, cont… http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-683037 Google Woes, cont… Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:24:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-683037 [...] Google Notebook: Use the Privacy Option Gmail Disaster: Reports Of Mass Email Deletions Google Top Searches: Based on Everything and Nothing Google’s Orkut Down For 13+ Hours Google’s Tipping Point Another Gmail Problem [...] [...] Google Notebook: Use the Privacy Option Gmail Disaster: Reports Of Mass Email Deletions Google Top Searches: Based on Everything and Nothing Google’s Orkut Down For 13+ Hours Google’s Tipping Point Another Gmail Problem [...]

]]> By: AndrewG http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-650639 AndrewG Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:11:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-650639 I don't know one little kid or grandma that would randomly click on "more >>" then "Even more", then "Labs", and finally find a little beta program called Notebook and say, "Hmm, this looks interesting. I'll install it and not learn anything about how it works." If they are smart enough to find it and install it, I'd assume they would be smart enough to know what public or private means. I don’t know one little kid or grandma that would randomly click on “more >>” then “Even more”, then “Labs”, and finally find a little beta program called Notebook and say, “Hmm, this looks interesting. I’ll install it and not learn anything about how it works.”

If they are smart enough to find it and install it, I’d assume they would be smart enough to know what public or private means.

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]]> By: David Mackey http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-620789 David Mackey Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:01:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-620789 Too bad you don't have a screenshot of what that personal info. looks like. I'd like to know how the user was making the mistake of making it public. Too bad you don’t have a screenshot of what that personal info. looks like. I’d like to know how the user was making the mistake of making it public.

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]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-614079 Nemrut Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:33:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-614079 Mike - I see what you're saying about 3rd party info, but imo, this makes an stronger case for Google to revise the verbiage as a way to inform the less savvy while deterring others indifferent to privacy concerns. Greg - it may seem patronizing to you but for millions of youngsters, elderly and plain 'ol technophobes the implications of 'Publishing a Web page' are not well understood. Also, i dont think this is about catering to the lowest common denominator, but rather, shouldering a certain level of responsibility and trust as the most popular information service in the world. Most people understand the meaning of public/private but the way the Google words it conveys the impression that 'it's ok, go ahead and make it public...' But what isnt so clear to a lot of folks is that this info is publicly accessible through your lifetime... Mike - I see what you’re saying about 3rd party info, but imo, this makes an stronger case for Google to revise the verbiage as a way to inform the less savvy while deterring others indifferent to privacy concerns.

Greg - it may seem patronizing to you but for millions of youngsters, elderly and plain ‘ol technophobes the implications of ‘Publishing a Web page’ are not well understood.

Also, i dont think this is about catering to the lowest common denominator, but rather, shouldering a certain level of responsibility and trust as the most popular information service in the world.

Most people understand the meaning of public/private but the way the Google words it conveys the impression that ‘it’s ok, go ahead and make it public…’ But what isnt so clear to a lot of folks is that this info is publicly accessible through your lifetime…

]]> By: Greg Andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-613957 Greg Andrew Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:07:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-613957 Nemrut - If Google asked the question the way you phrase it, I - along with a whole lot of other people - would attack Google for having an arrogant, condescending attitude towards their users, who should be treated with respect. I would not use a product that treated me like that. It would be totally irresponsible for Google to treat their customers in such a patronizing way. Public and private are not "geek words." They are words most people use everyday. The overwhelming majority of people on the net know exactly what they mean. There's no reason for Google to have to cater to the lowest possible common denominator. Nemrut - If Google asked the question the way you phrase it, I - along with a whole lot of other people - would attack Google for having an arrogant, condescending attitude towards their users, who should be treated with respect. I would not use a product that treated me like that. It would be totally irresponsible for Google to treat their customers in such a patronizing way.

Public and private are not “geek words.” They are words most people use everyday. The overwhelming majority of people on the net know exactly what they mean. There’s no reason for Google to have to cater to the lowest possible common denominator.

]]> By: Werner Egipsy Souza http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-611905 Werner Egipsy Souza Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:33:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-611905 <i>3. GOOGLE PRIVACY POLICY For information about our data protection practices, please see our Privacy Policy at http://www.google.com/privacy.html. By using Google services, you acknowledge and agree that Google may access, preserve, and disclose your account information and any Content associated with that account if required to do so by law or in a good faith belief that such access preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce this Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations hereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues (including, without limitation, the filtering of spam), or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law. You understand that the technical processing and transmission of Google services, including your Content, may involve (a) transmissions over various networks; and (b) changes to conform and adapt to technical requirements of connecting networks or devices.</i> 3. GOOGLE PRIVACY POLICY

For information about our data protection practices, please see our Privacy Policy at http://www.google.com/privacy.html. By using Google services, you acknowledge and agree that Google may access, preserve, and disclose your account information and any Content associated with that account if required to do so by law or in a good faith belief that such access preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce this Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations hereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues (including, without limitation, the filtering of spam), or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law.

You understand that the technical processing and transmission of Google services, including your Content, may involve (a) transmissions over various networks; and (b) changes to conform and adapt to technical requirements of connecting networks or devices.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610908 Michael Arrington Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:48:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610908 David - as I said just above, I think the real issue here isn't people accidentally publishing data, I think that they are publishing data that is about other people and don't really care. David - as I said just above, I think the real issue here isn’t people accidentally publishing data, I think that they are publishing data that is about other people and don’t really care.

]]> By: David R. http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610727 David R. Thu, 28 Dec 2006 06:56:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610727 @ Adam You said "I’m not sure how much more we could do to make this crystal clear." and I think Nemrut just told you. You can either keep defending the nerd-friendly question or you can accept that it could be made easier to understand. Its crystal clear to you, because you're a geek, they could just say "Pub? Y/N" and you would understand it. Nemrut demonstrated one way it could be made crystal clear to a less experienced audience. Any time you think the user is broken, and not your app, you're probably wrong. @ Adam

You said “I’m not sure how much more we could do to make this crystal clear.” and I think Nemrut just told you.

You can either keep defending the nerd-friendly question or you can accept that it could be made easier to understand.

Its crystal clear to you, because you’re a geek, they could just say “Pub? Y/N” and you would understand it. Nemrut demonstrated one way it could be made crystal clear to a less experienced audience.

Any time you think the user is broken, and not your app, you’re probably wrong.

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610451 Michael Arrington Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:41:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610451 Nemrut - I don't detect the arrogance you refer to. I agree that Google has made it pretty damn obvious when someone is making data public. The biggest issue in my opinion is the situation where someone publishes a third party's personal information on Google Notebook. Their opt-in is meaninless in that situation, and Google may decide they need to do something to stop it. But policing that would be literally impossible. Nemrut - I don’t detect the arrogance you refer to. I agree that Google has made it pretty damn obvious when someone is making data public. The biggest issue in my opinion is the situation where someone publishes a third party’s personal information on Google Notebook. Their opt-in is meaninless in that situation, and Google may decide they need to do something to stop it. But policing that would be literally impossible.

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610158 Nemrut Thu, 28 Dec 2006 04:32:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-610158 Adam - there is a hint of arrogance to your comments about the following statemtn being a no-brainer: "Publish this notebook (make a public web page) _No _Yes…" This verbiage is so benign that it conveys to users that Google thinks that either option is equally safe. If Google truly cared about it's users a more appropos way to express the same thing might be: "Keep Notebook private 'or' Share Notebook with the World" ..with additional copy for the latter, 'Are you sure? all your private thoughts, personal info and potentially sensitve financial information could be viewed by everyone.' These are more powerful statements which convey stronger implications. It's also good pr as it shows Google cares about privacy concerns enough to take steps to warn users of sharing potentially sensitive info. I think this is a real boneheadedmove on Google's part and thy need to do better to live up to their pollyannish mantra of 'do no evil.' Adam - there is a hint of arrogance to your comments about the following statemtn being a no-brainer:

“Publish this notebook (make a public web page)
_No _Yes…”

This verbiage is so benign that it conveys to users that Google thinks that either option is equally safe.

If Google truly cared about it’s users a more appropos way to express the same thing might be:

“Keep Notebook private ‘or’ Share Notebook with the World” ..with additional copy for the latter, ‘Are you sure? all your private thoughts, personal info and potentially sensitve financial information could be viewed by everyone.’

These are more powerful statements which convey stronger implications. It’s also good pr as it shows Google cares about privacy concerns enough to take steps to warn users of sharing potentially sensitive info.

I think this is a real boneheadedmove on Google’s part and thy need to do better to live up to their pollyannish mantra of ‘do no evil.’

]]> By: Fashion Industry Ceo http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609653 Fashion Industry Ceo Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:28:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609653 looks like google could be in a lot....of trouble. looks like google could be in a lot….of trouble.

]]> By: Adam http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609146 Adam Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:29:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609146 Joe, I'm not sure how much more we could do to make this crystal clear. In addition to having ALL Notebook scraps default to private, we state (in bold) this pretty straightforward message when people click on the Sharing option: <blockquote><b>Publish this notebook (make a public web page) _No _Yes...</b></blockquote> I think even my Grandma, were she still alive, would understand what the words <b>Publish</b> and <b>Public</b> mean. Pretty unambiguous IMHO. Companies -- whether they're Google or Nintendo or Krispy Kreme or whatever -- can do only so much to protect people from their own... er... misjudgments. That's not to say that we couldn't go even further in attempting to protect our users... but there also comes a point where protections themselves become onerous or at least hugely annoying ("I SAID I wanted this public! Why do I have to click on three confirmation screens and type in my initials...?") DISCLAIMER: I work for Google, but I do not work on Google Notebook, nor do I speak for that team in any official capacity. Joe, I’m not sure how much more we could do to make this crystal clear. In addition to having ALL Notebook scraps default to private, we state (in bold) this pretty straightforward message when people click on the Sharing option:

Publish this notebook (make a public web page)
_No _Yes…

I think even my Grandma, were she still alive, would understand what the words Publish and Public mean. Pretty unambiguous IMHO.

Companies — whether they’re Google or Nintendo or Krispy Kreme or whatever — can do only so much to protect people from their own… er… misjudgments. That’s not to say that we couldn’t go even further in attempting to protect our users… but there also comes a point where protections themselves become onerous or at least hugely annoying (”I SAID I wanted this public! Why do I have to click on three confirmation screens and type in my initials…?”)

DISCLAIMER: I work for Google, but I do not work on Google Notebook, nor do I speak for that team in any official capacity.

]]> By: Darren http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609006 Darren Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:02:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-609006 god I have never seen this product before but its a complete rip off of 37's backpack god I have never seen this product before but its a complete rip off of 37’s backpack

]]> By: Joe Duck http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608792 Joe Duck Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:22:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608792 "If you’re stupid enough to opt to post your private information online ..." Sure, tell it to the millions of newbies and grandmas who have NO idea how any of it works - they just want to USE the technology and that's what's making it all happen right now, including making Google one of the richest companies on earth. I'd stop short of saying Google should be sued when clever innovations go awry, but it's time Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the "savvy" online community starts dealing with rampant abuse more intelligently than suggesting it's the user's fault when things screw up. “If you’re stupid enough to opt to post your private information online …”

Sure, tell it to the millions of newbies and grandmas who have NO idea how any of it works - they just want to USE the technology and that’s what’s making it all happen right now, including making Google one of the richest companies on earth.

I’d stop short of saying Google should be sued when clever innovations go awry, but it’s time Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the “savvy” online community starts dealing with rampant abuse more intelligently than suggesting it’s the user’s fault when things screw up.

]]> By: Fox http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608743 Fox Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:08:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608743 If you're stupid enough to opt to post your private information online then you deserve your identity to be stolen. Also if anyone sues google for that and wins, we know that the state of the judicial system in our country is lacking. http://sanityfordummies.blogspot.com If you’re stupid enough to opt to post your private information online then you deserve your identity to be stolen. Also if anyone sues google for that and wins, we know that the state of the judicial system in our country is lacking.

http://sanityfordummies.blogspot.com

]]> By: Nick http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608741 Nick Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:07:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608741 Google has always been used as a tool to help hackers. The page http://johnny.ihackstuff.com/index.php?module=prodreviews was made popular for compiling a database of common google search terms that can turn up passwords, security issues, admin pages, mp3s and other stuff that could be considered shady. Nothing new. Google has always been used as a tool to help hackers. The page http://johnny.ihackstuff.com/i.....rodreviews was made popular for compiling a database of common google search terms that can turn up passwords, security issues, admin pages, mp3s and other stuff that could be considered shady. Nothing new.

]]> By: Yoav http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608620 Yoav Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:34:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608620 I did some research on the subject a while back and it's not limited just for google notebook. You can find it here http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/the-information-leak-in-the-online-collaboration-sink/ I did some research on the subject a while back and it’s not limited just for google notebook.

You can find it here

http://www.cogniview.com/conve.....tion-sink/

]]> By: Andrew http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608476 Andrew Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:54:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608476 This is a huge ordeal for Google, I've seen quite a few articles about Google's deep indexing and how it can breach security. There are command lines you can place in the Google search to bring out Logins and Passwords for sites... I love Google, and I hope they are working to fix all of this. This is a huge ordeal for Google, I’ve seen quite a few articles about Google’s deep indexing and how it can breach security. There are command lines you can place in the Google search to bring out Logins and Passwords for sites… I love Google, and I hope they are working to fix all of this.

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]]> By: Frank http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608110 Frank Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:27:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/27/google-notebook-use-the-privacy-option/#comment-608110 It could be the owner of the notebook who made it private and not necessarily google taking it down It could be the owner of the notebook who made it private and not necessarily google taking it down

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