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		<title>By: ゆうぎおう（遊戯王）ナビ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ゆうぎおう（遊戯王）ナビ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ゆうぎおう（遊戯王）デュエルモンスターズGX タッグフォース TAGFORCE ｜コナミデジタルエンタテインメント...&lt;/strong&gt;

 ゆうぎおう（遊戯王）デュエルモンスターズGX タッグフォース TAGFORCE......</description>
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<p> ゆうぎおう（遊戯王）デュエルモンスターズGX タッグフォース TAGFORCE&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 男のスキンケア ナビ</title>
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		<dc:creator>男のスキンケア ナビ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;男のスキンケア対策...&lt;/strong&gt;

男の紫外線対策 男は日焼けした肌が格好いい、と思い込んでいませんか?  紫外線を浴びると、過剰な活性酸素が生み出されて、シミ・ソバカス・シワの原因となり肌の老化へとつながり...</description>
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<p>男の紫外線対策 男は日焼けした肌が格好いい、と思い込んでいませんか?  紫外線を浴びると、過剰な活性酸素が生み出されて、シミ・ソバカス・シワの原因となり肌の老化へとつながり&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is all this abouT ??? weird !</description>
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		<title>By: Emergent Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emergent Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Trusting Privacy Promises...&lt;/strong&gt;

Michael Arrington writes at Techcrunch about a former law firm, all of whose records are going to be opened to the public: Brobeck, Pleger &amp; Harrison LLP was a well known law firm in silicon valley during the first Internet......</description>
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<p>Michael Arrington writes at Techcrunch about a former law firm, all of whose records are going to be opened to the public: Brobeck, Pleger &amp; Harrison LLP was a well known law firm in silicon valley during the first Internet&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Kirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-594956</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Thanks for pointing out the error in the text on the Brobeck Closed Archive website. The &quot;link to&quot; was my note to the webmaster and needs to be cleaned up. I&#039;ll take care of that next week.

To be clear and on the record, I have no interest in preserving records that legitimate rightsholders do not want to have preserved. Period. I believe that individuals should control the fate of their electronic traces in the world. I have received &quot;opt in&quot; notices from several individuals, and these few records will be preserved, but that&#039;s it as far as individuals go. 

I am interested in saving the records of organizations that no longer have voice, either because they have failed or because they have provided no guidance about what to do with these records. In the case of Brobeck, we have a law firm that is no longer able to provide basic custodial service to its former clients, some of which may be historically important for our understanding of the rise of the internet. I don&#039;t want those records to be lost simply because the default preservation setting for 1s and 0s is &quot;do not save.&quot; According to the court ruling, it will very hard for scholars to access these records, too hard I fear for many. But I figured that saving something, anything, from this  period would be better than losing it all for sure.

Now, of course, organizations are made up of individuals so the records of organizations will contain information about individuals, some of which may need to be scrubbed by archivists for sensitive information, but I would argue that one&#039;s history within an organizational setting is very different from personal history. And that&#039;s a problem that professional archivists deal with every day, very capably.

Reasonable people may disagree with what we are trying to do. That&#039;s fine. I believe that digital preservation deserves better than digging through bankruptcy filings to save scraps of the past. This is a debate that we should be having in kitchens and board rooms across the country. But for the moment, we&#039;re having it here, 40 messages deep on a comment board. So be it. Hopefully, eventually, we will define a collective policy regime and associated technology that will allow us to preserve our digital heritage while maintaining privacy as needed (and, of course, legal confidentiality and privilege too).

Climbing down from my soapbox, let me give you a sense of where we stand today, Dec 2006. We have received opt out requests from approximately 400 former Brobeck clients, out of 26,000+ total client database entries. Obviously, these are the bigger clients. In total, approximately 10% of the records will be covered under &quot;opt out,&quot; a number that may rise slightly as time passes and more former clients avail themselves of their right to opt out. 

Again, thanks for your interest and for reading this far. And thanks Sam, for being persistent in tracking me down. This is a far flung enterprise with many moving parts so it keeps us busy.

Best holiday wishes,

- david k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out the error in the text on the Brobeck Closed Archive website. The &#8220;link to&#8221; was my note to the webmaster and needs to be cleaned up. I&#8217;ll take care of that next week.</p>
<p>To be clear and on the record, I have no interest in preserving records that legitimate rightsholders do not want to have preserved. Period. I believe that individuals should control the fate of their electronic traces in the world. I have received &#8220;opt in&#8221; notices from several individuals, and these few records will be preserved, but that&#8217;s it as far as individuals go. </p>
<p>I am interested in saving the records of organizations that no longer have voice, either because they have failed or because they have provided no guidance about what to do with these records. In the case of Brobeck, we have a law firm that is no longer able to provide basic custodial service to its former clients, some of which may be historically important for our understanding of the rise of the internet. I don&#8217;t want those records to be lost simply because the default preservation setting for 1s and 0s is &#8220;do not save.&#8221; According to the court ruling, it will very hard for scholars to access these records, too hard I fear for many. But I figured that saving something, anything, from this  period would be better than losing it all for sure.</p>
<p>Now, of course, organizations are made up of individuals so the records of organizations will contain information about individuals, some of which may need to be scrubbed by archivists for sensitive information, but I would argue that one&#8217;s history within an organizational setting is very different from personal history. And that&#8217;s a problem that professional archivists deal with every day, very capably.</p>
<p>Reasonable people may disagree with what we are trying to do. That&#8217;s fine. I believe that digital preservation deserves better than digging through bankruptcy filings to save scraps of the past. This is a debate that we should be having in kitchens and board rooms across the country. But for the moment, we&#8217;re having it here, 40 messages deep on a comment board. So be it. Hopefully, eventually, we will define a collective policy regime and associated technology that will allow us to preserve our digital heritage while maintaining privacy as needed (and, of course, legal confidentiality and privilege too).</p>
<p>Climbing down from my soapbox, let me give you a sense of where we stand today, Dec 2006. We have received opt out requests from approximately 400 former Brobeck clients, out of 26,000+ total client database entries. Obviously, these are the bigger clients. In total, approximately 10% of the records will be covered under &#8220;opt out,&#8221; a number that may rise slightly as time passes and more former clients avail themselves of their right to opt out. </p>
<p>Again, thanks for your interest and for reading this far. And thanks Sam, for being persistent in tracking me down. This is a far flung enterprise with many moving parts so it keeps us busy.</p>
<p>Best holiday wishes,</p>
<p>- david k.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Fragala</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-592229</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Fragala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

Can you explain what you mean &quot;...much less understand that if a corp is disolved, the ip/papers don’t simply go to anyone (or org) who’s named in the docs.. this would be why the judge made the ruling to do what he did with the docs.&quot;?

I have seen a corporation dissolution first hand, I don&#039;t get what you mean. Brobeck didn&#039;t just dissolve (and it was an LLP not a corp). The partners filed for dissolution but it was insolvent and couldn&#039;t meet its debts. So creditors filed an involuntary Chapter 7 and then the bankruptcy trustee and the judge make a clear decision to allow this to happen. The UMD archive project reached out to the judge and trutee, not the other way around. This is not a typical practice for a bankruptcy (although it does happen). Normally I would expect that corporate records would go to whomever acquired those assets or be shredded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>Can you explain what you mean &#8220;&#8230;much less understand that if a corp is disolved, the ip/papers don’t simply go to anyone (or org) who’s named in the docs.. this would be why the judge made the ruling to do what he did with the docs.&#8221;?</p>
<p>I have seen a corporation dissolution first hand, I don&#8217;t get what you mean. Brobeck didn&#8217;t just dissolve (and it was an LLP not a corp). The partners filed for dissolution but it was insolvent and couldn&#8217;t meet its debts. So creditors filed an involuntary Chapter 7 and then the bankruptcy trustee and the judge make a clear decision to allow this to happen. The UMD archive project reached out to the judge and trutee, not the other way around. This is not a typical practice for a bankruptcy (although it does happen). Normally I would expect that corporate records would go to whomever acquired those assets or be shredded.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Fragala</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-592124</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Fragala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David also just posted over on my site (thanks again). I have many questions but I only made a quick review of the archive site and the court documents so far, so I will reserve them until I&#039;ve had more time to review in more detail. 

I am disappointed you didn&#039;t make it clear in your comment, the perfect place to do it, that former Brobeck clients can still opt-out. And your website fails to link to the opt-out documents. It has the text, but there is no active URL:

&quot;Q. What if I don&#039;t want to participate? What can I do?
    A. Pursuant to the Court Order, you may elect to Opt-Out of the Closed Archive by completing an Option Notice [link: option sheet]. At the time the Brobeck records are transferred into the permanent archive, you will receive a notice confirming that your wishes have been honored. There is no need to expedite your decision to opt-out; even after your records have been transferred into the permanent archive, you retain the right to opt-out later, at which time we will remove your records.
    You may also be interested in obtaining a copy of your records for your own use. Please note that opting-out of the Closed Archive and requesting a copy of your records are separate decisions; you may choose to do one without doing the other. To request a copy of your records, please e-mail Prof. David Kirsch (dkirsch (at) rhsmith (dot) umd (dot) edu) for more information.&quot;

(See here: http://www.brobeckclosedarchive.org/faq.html)

Why no link? Maybe you can re-post those opt-out documents. I am sure it wasn&#039;t your intention, but the impression it gives is that you are trying to avoid a mass opt-out. 

So for all you former Brobeck clients. It is NOT too late to opt out. I am a former client, and I know that my full name and social security number, and that off all my former investors and officers, are in several of the documents that I believe would appear in the archive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David also just posted over on my site (thanks again). I have many questions but I only made a quick review of the archive site and the court documents so far, so I will reserve them until I&#8217;ve had more time to review in more detail. </p>
<p>I am disappointed you didn&#8217;t make it clear in your comment, the perfect place to do it, that former Brobeck clients can still opt-out. And your website fails to link to the opt-out documents. It has the text, but there is no active URL:</p>
<p>&#8220;Q. What if I don&#8217;t want to participate? What can I do?<br />
    A. Pursuant to the Court Order, you may elect to Opt-Out of the Closed Archive by completing an Option Notice [link: option sheet]. At the time the Brobeck records are transferred into the permanent archive, you will receive a notice confirming that your wishes have been honored. There is no need to expedite your decision to opt-out; even after your records have been transferred into the permanent archive, you retain the right to opt-out later, at which time we will remove your records.<br />
    You may also be interested in obtaining a copy of your records for your own use. Please note that opting-out of the Closed Archive and requesting a copy of your records are separate decisions; you may choose to do one without doing the other. To request a copy of your records, please e-mail Prof. David Kirsch (dkirsch (at) rhsmith (dot) umd (dot) edu) for more information.&#8221;</p>
<p>(See here: <a href="http://www.brobeckclosedarchive.org/faq.html)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.brobeckclosedarchive.org/faq.html'>http://www.brob...ve.org/faq.html</a>)</p>
<p>Why no link? Maybe you can re-post those opt-out documents. I am sure it wasn&#8217;t your intention, but the impression it gives is that you are trying to avoid a mass opt-out. </p>
<p>So for all you former Brobeck clients. It is NOT too late to opt out. I am a former client, and I know that my full name and social security number, and that off all my former investors and officers, are in several of the documents that I believe would appear in the archive.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-592028</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys...

regarding what prof kirsh has written. he&#039;s on the level, and he&#039;s an oncredibly nice guy to talk to when you can find him. he&#039;s also pretty busy!!!

in talking to him, over 6 months ago, he was quite helpful.

but, as he stated, a lot of you guys haven&#039;t bothered to even talk with him, much less understand that if a corp is disolved, the ip/papers don&#039;t simply go to anyone (or org) who&#039;s named in the docs.. this would be why the judge made the ruling to do what he did with the docs...


peace...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys&#8230;</p>
<p>regarding what prof kirsh has written. he&#8217;s on the level, and he&#8217;s an oncredibly nice guy to talk to when you can find him. he&#8217;s also pretty busy!!!</p>
<p>in talking to him, over 6 months ago, he was quite helpful.</p>
<p>but, as he stated, a lot of you guys haven&#8217;t bothered to even talk with him, much less understand that if a corp is disolved, the ip/papers don&#8217;t simply go to anyone (or org) who&#8217;s named in the docs.. this would be why the judge made the ruling to do what he did with the docs&#8230;</p>
<p>peace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Kirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-591155</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 01:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks, 

I&#039;m the professor responsible for this project, and looking back over the 30-odd posts above, there has been lots of mis-representation of what has happened so far and what we are proposing to do going forward.

Please: before you rant about how crazy and stupid this seems, read through the court order containing the methodology that will guide our efforts going forward - www.brobeckclosedarchive.org. There are important safeguards in place, and I, for one, am committed to honoring them. The idea that these records will be posted on a website tomorrow is bonkers.

And to those of you who think that you will simply be able to file a FOIA request to get access to these materials, guess again. Access will be strictly limited. Frankly, I wish more people could be granted access to these materials because I&#039;m sure there&#039;s much to be learned from the events they chronicle. But the court set the rules.

If anyone is interested in learning about what we&#039;re actually doing, please feel free to contact me. Otherwise, take much of what&#039;s been written here with a big lump of salt.

- david kirsch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m the professor responsible for this project, and looking back over the 30-odd posts above, there has been lots of mis-representation of what has happened so far and what we are proposing to do going forward.</p>
<p>Please: before you rant about how crazy and stupid this seems, read through the court order containing the methodology that will guide our efforts going forward &#8211; <a href="http://www.brobeckclosedarchive.org" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.brobeckclosedarchive.org'>http://www.brob...osedarchive.org</a>. There are important safeguards in place, and I, for one, am committed to honoring them. The idea that these records will be posted on a website tomorrow is bonkers.</p>
<p>And to those of you who think that you will simply be able to file a FOIA request to get access to these materials, guess again. Access will be strictly limited. Frankly, I wish more people could be granted access to these materials because I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s much to be learned from the events they chronicle. But the court set the rules.</p>
<p>If anyone is interested in learning about what we&#8217;re actually doing, please feel free to contact me. Otherwise, take much of what&#8217;s been written here with a big lump of salt.</p>
<p>- david kirsch</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-587865</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally absurd: where are the rights gone if something like this is open to everyone through a website.</description>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; こんなバカなこと、誰かが止めさせなくては</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; こんなバカなこと、誰かが止めさせなくては</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-586041</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 03:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s great that you&#039;ve written about it to let people know. It&#039;s totally absurd. I&#039;m surprised, actually. Crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s great that you&#8217;ve written about it to let people know. It&#8217;s totally absurd. I&#8217;m surprised, actually. Crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/22/somebody-needs-to-stop-this/comment-page-1/#comment-585454</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi...

after reading/perusing a great deal of the above quotes.. i&#039;m sitting here laughing my ass off...

1st.. has anyone actually contact u of maryland, and the business archive project. i seriosuly doubt that you have, otherwise you might not be so excited!!

you guys love to pounce on rumours.

a good deal of the material that&#039;s available will be redacted of &#039;sensitive&#039; information. this is the information that hasn&#039;t been removed because someone opted out of the process.

to get access to the really good stuff, you pretty much have to be in academia (student/prof/research/etc..) with a reasonable compelling reason for access. however, there will be a pool of information for the casual user, but you could proably get more sensitive information for a good tech blog.

i&#039;ve talked with the prof behind the system, he&#039;s pretty reasonable!!

your milage might vary.

peace..


ps. the other thing to keep in mind.. the vast majority of any information in the files/project, will be well over five years old, relating to comanies that have long since cease to exist.

which gets to a point that alot of you have bitched about, the client. if the client of the law firm was a corporate structure, and the corporate structure disolves, and is no longer operational, the docs go to whoever the judge deems fit!!

peace.!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi&#8230;</p>
<p>after reading/perusing a great deal of the above quotes.. i&#8217;m sitting here laughing my ass off&#8230;</p>
<p>1st.. has anyone actually contact u of maryland, and the business archive project. i seriosuly doubt that you have, otherwise you might not be so excited!!</p>
<p>you guys love to pounce on rumours.</p>
<p>a good deal of the material that&#8217;s available will be redacted of &#8217;sensitive&#8217; information. this is the information that hasn&#8217;t been removed because someone opted out of the process.</p>
<p>to get access to the really good stuff, you pretty much have to be in academia (student/prof/research/etc..) with a reasonable compelling reason for access. however, there will be a pool of information for the casual user, but you could proably get more sensitive information for a good tech blog.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve talked with the prof behind the system, he&#8217;s pretty reasonable!!</p>
<p>your milage might vary.</p>
<p>peace..</p>
<p>ps. the other thing to keep in mind.. the vast majority of any information in the files/project, will be well over five years old, relating to comanies that have long since cease to exist.</p>
<p>which gets to a point that alot of you have bitched about, the client. if the client of the law firm was a corporate structure, and the corporate structure disolves, and is no longer operational, the docs go to whoever the judge deems fit!!</p>
<p>peace.!!</p>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is extremely absurd. I hope it gets slammed immediately.</description>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is gonna be absolutely ridiculous.  Like Michael, I admittedly will consume every single document that is published, but I should -never- be given this opportunity.   Wow</description>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, how, if I am not sure if some of _my_ personal information is in the archive, do I go about making sure that it is not?  
If one of these dot coms (and I don&#039;t know which used PBH) had a large contract with my company, and they chose to disclose that information in their app for an IPO, than my info may be disclosed.  Should private individuals start a class action suit, to require that any information pertaining to them be actively purged?  Should this be setup so that the defendants are every lawyer, law firm or judge (including appeals judges), and all their clients and family, have to actively opt out?  If they choose not to opt out, then their personal info will be disclosed.  If a notice is run in a local newspaper, have I meet my requirement for notification?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, how, if I am not sure if some of _my_ personal information is in the archive, do I go about making sure that it is not?<br />
If one of these dot coms (and I don&#8217;t know which used PBH) had a large contract with my company, and they chose to disclose that information in their app for an IPO, than my info may be disclosed.  Should private individuals start a class action suit, to require that any information pertaining to them be actively purged?  Should this be setup so that the defendants are every lawyer, law firm or judge (including appeals judges), and all their clients and family, have to actively opt out?  If they choose not to opt out, then their personal info will be disclosed.  If a notice is run in a local newspaper, have I meet my requirement for notification?</p>
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		<title>By: drew - int2e</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew - int2e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Michael; there&#039;s no way this should happen.  Making it anything but opt-in only is way over the line.  My hope is that the courts will do what they typically do -- kill bad ideas, such as this one.

Oh yes, and of course IANAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Michael; there&#8217;s no way this should happen.  Making it anything but opt-in only is way over the line.  My hope is that the courts will do what they typically do &#8212; kill bad ideas, such as this one.</p>
<p>Oh yes, and of course IANAL.</p>
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		<title>By: BlogReader</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlogReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does it take for a former client to okay the release of their records?  I&#039;m sure dozens of third parties that were involved in the proceedings wouldn&#039;t like to have their name out there, can they sue to stop this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it take for a former client to okay the release of their records?  I&#8217;m sure dozens of third parties that were involved in the proceedings wouldn&#8217;t like to have their name out there, can they sue to stop this?</p>
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		<title>By: webduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>webduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, this is insane. As a family genealogist, the government makes me wait at least 70+ years just to get access to census records. Libraries and court houses keep a tight reign on their documents and records too. Public records are one thing, but records formally held by an attorney&#039;s office are a whole other category. Someone is making a buck here, or it wouldn&#039;t be happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, this is insane. As a family genealogist, the government makes me wait at least 70+ years just to get access to census records. Libraries and court houses keep a tight reign on their documents and records too. Public records are one thing, but records formally held by an attorney&#8217;s office are a whole other category. Someone is making a buck here, or it wouldn&#8217;t be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rt do you know how this whole blog thing works? as someone else said if you don&#039;t like it don&#039;t read it. 

I can see this is a really stupid idea but if they are going to do it they should not make the public for 25 years and then it wouldn&#039;t matter so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rt do you know how this whole blog thing works? as someone else said if you don&#8217;t like it don&#8217;t read it. </p>
<p>I can see this is a really stupid idea but if they are going to do it they should not make the public for 25 years and then it wouldn&#8217;t matter so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lot more complicated than you seem to think, Michael.  First, it&#039;s not entirely clear who owns the files.  While any intellectual property provided by the client that may have been necessary to the representation remains the client&#039;s property, the work product performed by the law firm is the property of the law firm.  When a client chooses to fire one attorney and retain another, the former firm typically removes all work product (usually research memos and client communications) from the file before shipping it to the new firm.  Moreover, the former firm retains a copy of the entire file for itself (most states require retention of all files for at least seven years).  I think the answer is that parts of the file are the client&#039;s property, and parts of the file are the firm&#039;s property.  

Second, attorney-client privilege is not the same as client confidentiality.  The privilege is a rule that pertains ONLY to communications FROM the client.  For example, no firm could be subpoenaed to produce letters from their own client.  The more general rule confidentiality rule is a rule of ethics with substantially more gray area.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/mrpc_toc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct&lt;/a&gt; are as follows:

&lt;b&gt;

(a) A lawyer shall not reveal information relating to the representation of a client unless the client gives informed consent, the disclosure is impliedly authorized in order to carry out the representation or the disclosure is permitted by paragraph (b).

(b) A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:

      (1) to prevent reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm;

      (2) to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer&#039;s services;

      (3) to prevent, mitigate or rectify substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another that is reasonably certain to result or has resulted from the client&#039;s commission of a crime or fraud in furtherance of which the client has used the lawyer&#039;s services;

      (4) to secure legal advice about the lawyer&#039;s compliance with these Rules;

      (5) to establish a claim or defense on behalf of the lawyer in a controversy between the lawyer and the client, to establish a defense to a criminal charge or civil claim against the lawyer based upon conduct in which the client was involved, or to respond to allegations in any proceeding concerning the lawyer&#039;s representation of the client; or

      (6) to comply with other law or a court order.

Here&#039;s the sitch- if the representation is long since over, how is it information &quot;relating to the representation&quot;?  Note also that this rule only applies to the clients- there is no problem whatsoever with releasing information relating to adverse parties or even just third party witnesses, etc.  The firm owes no duty of confidentiality to non-clients.  It may be obvious, but there is also no confidentiality remaining in information that is already public (court or agency filings, for example).

While I don&#039;t quite think this is a good idea, it is also not the end of the world, nor even unprecedented.  After William Kunstler died 10 years ago, there was a bitter fight over who owned his files- although it was ultimately decided on rather dull issues of property law, the cases raised issues of confidentiality and publicity over client files.  So far, I believe biographers and reporters have been given access to the files, but there is a plan (I think?) to archive all his old files in  a museum (All in the archives, sorry- http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=per&amp;v1=KUNSTLER%2C%20WILLIAM%20M&amp;sort=newest)&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lot more complicated than you seem to think, Michael.  First, it&#8217;s not entirely clear who owns the files.  While any intellectual property provided by the client that may have been necessary to the representation remains the client&#8217;s property, the work product performed by the law firm is the property of the law firm.  When a client chooses to fire one attorney and retain another, the former firm typically removes all work product (usually research memos and client communications) from the file before shipping it to the new firm.  Moreover, the former firm retains a copy of the entire file for itself (most states require retention of all files for at least seven years).  I think the answer is that parts of the file are the client&#8217;s property, and parts of the file are the firm&#8217;s property.  </p>
<p>Second, attorney-client privilege is not the same as client confidentiality.  The privilege is a rule that pertains ONLY to communications FROM the client.  For example, no firm could be subpoenaed to produce letters from their own client.  The more general rule confidentiality rule is a rule of ethics with substantially more gray area.  The <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/mrpc_toc.html" rel="nofollow">ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct</a> are as follows:</p>
<p><b></p>
<p>(a) A lawyer shall not reveal information relating to the representation of a client unless the client gives informed consent, the disclosure is impliedly authorized in order to carry out the representation or the disclosure is permitted by paragraph (b).</p>
<p>(b) A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:</p>
<p>      (1) to prevent reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm;</p>
<p>      (2) to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer&#8217;s services;</p>
<p>      (3) to prevent, mitigate or rectify substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another that is reasonably certain to result or has resulted from the client&#8217;s commission of a crime or fraud in furtherance of which the client has used the lawyer&#8217;s services;</p>
<p>      (4) to secure legal advice about the lawyer&#8217;s compliance with these Rules;</p>
<p>      (5) to establish a claim or defense on behalf of the lawyer in a controversy between the lawyer and the client, to establish a defense to a criminal charge or civil claim against the lawyer based upon conduct in which the client was involved, or to respond to allegations in any proceeding concerning the lawyer&#8217;s representation of the client; or</p>
<p>      (6) to comply with other law or a court order.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the sitch- if the representation is long since over, how is it information &#8220;relating to the representation&#8221;?  Note also that this rule only applies to the clients- there is no problem whatsoever with releasing information relating to adverse parties or even just third party witnesses, etc.  The firm owes no duty of confidentiality to non-clients.  It may be obvious, but there is also no confidentiality remaining in information that is already public (court or agency filings, for example).</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t quite think this is a good idea, it is also not the end of the world, nor even unprecedented.  After William Kunstler died 10 years ago, there was a bitter fight over who owned his files- although it was ultimately decided on rather dull issues of property law, the cases raised issues of confidentiality and publicity over client files.  So far, I believe biographers and reporters have been given access to the files, but there is a plan (I think?) to archive all his old files in  a museum (All in the archives, sorry- <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=per&amp;v1=KUNSTLER%2C%20WILLIAM%20M&amp;sort=newest)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=per&amp;v1=KUNSTLER%2C%20WILLIAM%20M&amp;sort=newest'>http://query.ny...amp;sort=newest</a>)</b></p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say do it, in fact where can I donate money to help it happen. A lot of these &#039;dotcom&#039; companies were irresponsible and cost investors, a lot of whom were joe public, huge sums of money. The dotcom bust is a part of history and those responsible for the nonsense of that time should be on public record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say do it, in fact where can I donate money to help it happen. A lot of these &#8216;dotcom&#8217; companies were irresponsible and cost investors, a lot of whom were joe public, huge sums of money. The dotcom bust is a part of history and those responsible for the nonsense of that time should be on public record.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appears to be a gross violation of privacy. How precisely does such a thing manage to come about? It seems someone should/would be around to say, &quot;Hey this isn&#039;t right.&quot; 

What&#039;s gone wrong here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to be a gross violation of privacy. How precisely does such a thing manage to come about? It seems someone should/would be around to say, &#8220;Hey this isn&#8217;t right.&#8221; </p>
<p>What&#8217;s gone wrong here?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To rt - 

If you don&#039;t like it don&#039;t read it.
All the stories that Michael has posted so far, though not all directly related to Web 2.0 start ups are, in my opinion (and Michael&#039;s evidently) likely to be of great interest to those also interested in Web 2.0.

I for one am glad this has been brought to my attention. Thank you Michael.</description>
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<p>If you don&#8217;t like it don&#8217;t read it.<br />
All the stories that Michael has posted so far, though not all directly related to Web 2.0 start ups are, in my opinion (and Michael&#8217;s evidently) likely to be of great interest to those also interested in Web 2.0.</p>
<p>I for one am glad this has been brought to my attention. Thank you Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: rt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Assington,

Do you think anyone gives a rat&#039;s ass about your opinion on how Netflix screwed you or if you think that someone publishing something is bad. People visit your site to see links to new sites. and that&#039;s it. If you think your opinion matters on anything, you need to think again and just stick to giving links to new sites. Sorry if I sound too blunt. But please wake up from your dream.

Thanks
rt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Assington,</p>
<p>Do you think anyone gives a rat&#8217;s ass about your opinion on how Netflix screwed you or if you think that someone publishing something is bad. People visit your site to see links to new sites. and that&#8217;s it. If you think your opinion matters on anything, you need to think again and just stick to giving links to new sites. Sorry if I sound too blunt. But please wake up from your dream.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
rt</p>
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