Comments on: SimplyHeadlines Is About Five Years Too Late http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/ Startup and Technology News Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:20:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: stress http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-1202872 stress Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:54:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-1202872 i think it s a waste of time i think it s a waste of time

]]> By: Paul Irish http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-501767 Paul Irish Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:17:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-501767 this is another comment from someone who thinks this post on simplyheadlines was the biggest waste of time ever. where is your sharp critical editorial eye? this is another comment from someone who thinks this post on simplyheadlines was the biggest waste of time ever.
where is your sharp critical editorial eye?

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]]> By: David Scott Lewis http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-499408 David Scott Lewis Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:34:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-499408 Be careful with demographics, Natali. Although you're absolutely correct that teens prefer SMS/MMS to e-mail, it's also true that they still prefer e-mail to blogs. And when teens become adults, e-mail will become their preferred means of communication. You also have to adjust this for cultures. For example, considering income levels, there is much greater adoption of mobile phones in China (where I live). OTOH, almost nobody has voicemail for their mobile numbers. It absolutely amazes me -- no v-mail. It's available, but not part of Chinese culture. Yet, even senior execs will take a phone call at almost anytime ... even when they're giving a presentation!! Anyway, let's be careful not to draw too many sweeping, American-specific conclusions. BTW, SMS/MMS is even more popular in China than in the States, where primitive Americans still call it "text messaging." But there's a reason for this, too: Pricing. Another reason: A Chinese person can pretty much write a full paragraph in the same time it takes us to type just a few words. A character-based language is perfect for SMS. Be careful with demographics, Natali. Although you’re absolutely correct that teens prefer SMS/MMS to e-mail, it’s also true that they still prefer e-mail to blogs. And when teens become adults, e-mail will become their preferred means of communication.

You also have to adjust this for cultures. For example, considering income levels, there is much greater adoption of mobile phones in China (where I live). OTOH, almost nobody has voicemail for their mobile numbers. It absolutely amazes me — no v-mail. It’s available, but not part of Chinese culture. Yet, even senior execs will take a phone call at almost anytime … even when they’re giving a presentation!!

Anyway, let’s be careful not to draw too many sweeping, American-specific conclusions.

BTW, SMS/MMS is even more popular in China than in the States, where primitive Americans still call it “text messaging.” But there’s a reason for this, too: Pricing. Another reason: A Chinese person can pretty much write a full paragraph in the same time it takes us to type just a few words. A character-based language is perfect for SMS.

]]> By: Phil Sellers http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-497770 Phil Sellers Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:51:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-497770 That silly font must make the "Web 2.0" crowd ROF and turn into werewolves. It should be pastel green/blue, lowercase and not make any sense so it won't be dorky. "Simply Headlines" makes waaaay too much sense for a successful name. TIC :) Maybe, "headzup" or "enooze" ? That silly font must make the “Web 2.0″ crowd ROF and turn into werewolves. It should be pastel green/blue, lowercase and not make any sense so it won’t be dorky. “Simply Headlines” makes waaaay too much sense for a successful name. TIC :) Maybe, “headzup” or “enooze” ?

]]> By: Cailean http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-496135 Cailean Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:15:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-496135 A little late to the party here, but I've been sick in bed for three days, which means little access to my RSS reader... But my SimplyHeadlines email has arrived on schedule every morning to my bed-side blackberry. I may not have had the energy to crack open my laptop, but scanning my SimplyHeadlines email told me whether or not is was worth the effort. A little late to the party here, but I’ve been sick in bed for three days, which means little access to my RSS reader… But my SimplyHeadlines email has arrived on schedule every morning to my bed-side blackberry. I may not have had the energy to crack open my laptop, but scanning my SimplyHeadlines email told me whether or not is was worth the effort.

]]> By: aibek http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-493647 aibek Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:12:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-493647 to natali; premature and inaccurate judgement to natali; premature and inaccurate judgement

]]> By: Rick http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-492581 Rick Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:51:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-492581 And as an addenda, I wonder if this isn't the surest sign of a looming bubble? When the idealistic VC's, startup bloggers, and acquisition handlers forget that their consumers are functionally retarded and quit going for lowest common denominator products like simply headlines the bust has to be somewhere on the horizon, non? And as an addenda, I wonder if this isn’t the surest sign of a looming bubble?

When the idealistic VC’s, startup bloggers, and acquisition handlers forget that their consumers are functionally retarded and quit going for lowest common denominator products like simply headlines the bust has to be somewhere on the horizon, non?

]]> By: Rick http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-492555 Rick Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:45:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-492555 Along the lines of what many bright people here are saying, if I sent both this and digg.com to almost everyone I know(ie not web 2.0 intergeeks like us) they would choose simplyheadlines over digg bar-none. Best quote of this post is anonymouse's --- #36: no, that’s what “web 2.0 entrepreneurs” think people want to do. as long as they can tag and share and socially network, they will flock to it, because most people with disposable income have nothing better to do. --- This is so true that it's not even funny. I've been lamenting the fact that I live in a horrible place for an aspiring startup, but there's something to be said for having your ear that close to the "pulse" of the web: the pulse is but one of many vital signs. Example: I only know one person in real life who has ever heard of flickr, and this isn't exceptional, this is likely the norm. Though it couldn't possibly be realized by the crowd who would be shocked to realize that I've seen many, many people still typing "search strings" into the address bar(that's right, some people are still that oblivious), this is actually probably the only company I've seen on TC outside of social networking sites that could be of even remote relevance to the majority(ie barely computer literate) of internet users. Along the lines of what many bright people here are saying, if I sent both this and digg.com to almost everyone I know(ie not web 2.0 intergeeks like us) they would choose simplyheadlines over digg bar-none. Best quote of this post is anonymouse’s

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#36: no, that’s what “web 2.0 entrepreneurs” think people want to do. as long as they can tag and share and socially network, they will flock to it, because most people with disposable income have nothing better to do.
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This is so true that it’s not even funny. I’ve been lamenting the fact that I live in a horrible place for an aspiring startup, but there’s something to be said for having your ear that close to the “pulse” of the web: the pulse is but one of many vital signs. Example: I only know one person in real life who has ever heard of flickr, and this isn’t exceptional, this is likely the norm.

Though it couldn’t possibly be realized by the crowd who would be shocked to realize that I’ve seen many, many people still typing “search strings” into the address bar(that’s right, some people are still that oblivious), this is actually probably the only company I’ve seen on TC outside of social networking sites that could be of even remote relevance to the majority(ie barely computer literate) of internet users.

]]> By: barb dybwad http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-491573 barb dybwad Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:26:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-491573 since when are bloggers obligated to cover only positive news? i fail to see how this post would *not* be relevant. just remember, the other half of the trolls are complaining in other posts about how techcrunch is too techno-utopian and not critical enough of new startups. since when are bloggers obligated to cover only positive news? i fail to see how this post would *not* be relevant.

just remember, the other half of the trolls are complaining in other posts about how techcrunch is too techno-utopian and not critical enough of new startups.

]]> By: Jim Kukral http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-491013 Jim Kukral Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:41:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-491013 It's techmeme delivered via email. I think it's great, smart. Nobody cares what RSS is in the "real" world people. It’s techmeme delivered via email. I think it’s great, smart. Nobody cares what RSS is in the “real” world people.

]]> By: $2 Million a Month http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490916 $2 Million a Month Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:13:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490916 Well I have never used Rss But the guys at SH are doing something with their lives . As long as their are people that will use the site they will be ok I subscribe to a service from smartbrief.com that sends me restaurant news . All it does is send me a few restaurant news headlines everyday . The have thousands of restaurant operators that subsribe to the news . It costs like $3000 for a small text ad in the email newsletter . Most Techies dont have any Business Acumen .. They can be successfull Well I have never used Rss

But the guys at SH are doing something with their lives .

As long as their are people that will use the site they will be ok

I subscribe to a service from smartbrief.com that sends me restaurant news . All it does is send me a few restaurant news headlines everyday .

The have thousands of restaurant operators that subsribe to the news .

It costs like $3000 for a small text ad in the email newsletter .

Most Techies dont have any Business Acumen ..

They can be successfull

]]> By: Ken Leebow’s Business Card . . . . . . for the 21st Century :: Online Consumption of News :: December :: 2006 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490652 Ken Leebow’s Business Card . . . . . . for the 21st Century :: Online Consumption of News :: December :: 2006 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:46:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490652 [...] In a post, TechCrunch says: “Additionally, I don’t think people want to be spoon fed their news anymore. That’s why sites such as Digg and Slashdot are so popular. Users want to interact with their news, decide for themselves what is important, and let their opinions about the news be heard.” [...] [...] In a post, TechCrunch says: “Additionally, I don’t think people want to be spoon fed their news anymore. That’s why sites such as Digg and Slashdot are so popular. Users want to interact with their news, decide for themselves what is important, and let their opinions about the news be heard.” [...]

]]> By: Vondre Whaley http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490342 Vondre Whaley Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:46:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-490342 They are writing about it because it works! Look how many people who have responded to this thread. Good Success! Vondre' http://www.askfinancialquestions.com They are writing about it because it works!

Look how many people who have responded to this thread.

Good Success!

Vondre’
http://www.askfinancialquestions.com

]]> By: Pramit Singh http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489758 Pramit Singh Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:27:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489758 RSS is taking offe in abig way. Soon businesses will be using it for mriad other purposes. In fact, RSS will also be integrated with email, in a way that the user doesn't have to learn much. MediaVidea has an article on Why RSS will rule: http://mediavidea.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-rss-will-rule.html RSS is taking offe in abig way. Soon businesses will be using it for mriad other purposes. In fact, RSS will also be integrated with email, in a way that the user doesn’t have to learn much.

MediaVidea has an article on Why RSS will rule:
http://mediavidea.blogspot.com.....-rule.html

]]> By: Ulf http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489628 Ulf Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:42:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489628 Sean: "Why is this posted on TC if TC readers are not the target market?" Because many of the TC readers have a target market of their own? The website in question might just reach parts of the demographic you're going after or offer lessons on how to reach them. Or maybe just offer another perspective on technical solutions if that's what you're after. And it seems like there's a lot of lessons to learn here for some people. Like learning to appreciate nuance or targeted tech solutions that hide their "techiness". Digg and Slashdot are fun diversions for nerds like me, but they could be dwarfed by SimplyHeadlines in no time just based on the size of their target market. Not that they are otherwise comparable (SimplyHeadlines is less of destination website and more of a service, right?). Sean: “Why is this posted on TC if TC readers are not the target market?”

Because many of the TC readers have a target market of their own? The website in question might just reach parts of the demographic you’re going after or offer lessons on how to reach them. Or maybe just offer another perspective on technical solutions if that’s what you’re after.

And it seems like there’s a lot of lessons to learn here for some people. Like learning to appreciate nuance or targeted tech solutions that hide their “techiness”.

Digg and Slashdot are fun diversions for nerds like me, but they could be dwarfed by SimplyHeadlines in no time just based on the size of their target market. Not that they are otherwise comparable (SimplyHeadlines is less of destination website and more of a service, right?).

]]> By: TechBlog http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489501 TechBlog Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:45:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489501 <strong>In defense of SimplyHeadlines...</strong> I've been meaning to do a follow-up to the brief mention at the bottom of this post of SimplyHeadlines, a service that formats your favorite RSS news feeds into a newspaper-style, daily e-mail dispatch. I've been using it for several...... In defense of SimplyHeadlines…

I’ve been meaning to do a follow-up to the brief mention at the bottom of this post of SimplyHeadlines, a service that formats your favorite RSS news feeds into a newspaper-style, daily e-mail dispatch. I’ve been using it for several……

]]> By: BC http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489476 BC Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:27:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489476 I subscribe to hundreds of RSS feeds. I heard about SimplyHeadlines several weeks ago and decided to give it a try. As others have said, I didn't think it would be of much use to me. However, I find that it's the first thing I read in the morning to grab the quick headlines. I subscribe to hundreds of RSS feeds. I heard about SimplyHeadlines several weeks ago and decided to give it a try. As others have said, I didn’t think it would be of much use to me. However, I find that it’s the first thing I read in the morning to grab the quick headlines.

]]> By: Sergio http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489472 Sergio Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:25:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489472 I completely disagree with all you naysayers that bashed this article. First, not every day is filled with exciting news of red hot start-ups and dramatic executive exodi. I mean, Techcrunch can not cover hot new start-ups that do not exist. Perhaps you are actually disappointed that you did not get your daily fix of these hot start-ups? Second, I actually enjoyed this article and ones like it that explore complete flops. I don't agree with all of Natali's points, but I also think she wrote a very good analysis. It's fascinating to me to see that these kinds of 'duds' are actually getting funding! Can anyone say 'bubble'? So Natali, don't take these fuddy-duddies too seriously. I think that you and the rest of the Techcrunch team do an excellent job covering industry news--the traffic numbers speak for themselves. I completely disagree with all you naysayers that bashed this article. First, not every day is filled with exciting news of red hot start-ups and dramatic executive exodi. I mean, Techcrunch can not cover hot new start-ups that do not exist. Perhaps you are actually disappointed that you did not get your daily fix of these hot start-ups? Second, I actually enjoyed this article and ones like it that explore complete flops. I don’t agree with all of Natali’s points, but I also think she wrote a very good analysis. It’s fascinating to me to see that these kinds of ‘duds’ are actually getting funding! Can anyone say ‘bubble’?

So Natali, don’t take these fuddy-duddies too seriously. I think that you and the rest of the Techcrunch team do an excellent job covering industry news–the traffic numbers speak for themselves.

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489386 Nemrut Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:43:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489386 Natali-- despite your somewhat myopic viewpoints, it's good that you covered this story as the service has a lot of potential. Many Crunchers/Crunchettes forget that sometimes the most elegant solutions/services dont require the most high tech implementation. You can have the best technology but if no one uses it what's the point... As others have noted, this is a great alternative for those who have yet to understand RSS-which in it's curret form is a usability nightmare. Just about everyone undertands email(ala 'you've got mail!') and providing the 'rest of us' with a low fidelitymethod of news aggregation can only help the adoption of RSS and other web 2.0 innovations. So i say keep up the coverage of new and exciting companies - even those using less than innovative tech to serve the masses (think Craigslist).. Natali– despite your somewhat myopic viewpoints, it’s good that you covered this story as the service has a lot of potential.

Many Crunchers/Crunchettes forget that sometimes the most elegant solutions/services dont require the most high tech implementation. You can have the best technology but if no one uses it what’s the point…

As others have noted, this is a great alternative for those who have yet to understand RSS-which in it’s curret form is a usability nightmare. Just about everyone undertands email(ala ‘you’ve got mail!’) and providing the ‘rest of us’ with a low fidelitymethod of news aggregation can only help the adoption of RSS and other web 2.0 innovations.

So i say keep up the coverage of new and exciting companies - even those using less than innovative tech to serve the masses (think Craigslist)..

]]> By: My Entrepreneurship, Self-Improvement and Business Blog » Techcrunch Savages New Start-up Company http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489141 My Entrepreneurship, Self-Improvement and Business Blog » Techcrunch Savages New Start-up Company Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:30:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489141 [...] Ok, I was reading one of my favorite sites, Techcrunch, when I came across this post, which was titled “SimplyHeadlines Is About Five Years Too Late.” I couldn’t help but laugh, cause Techcrunch completely savages this company (Simplyheadlines), basically calling their product useless and irrelevant. [...] [...] Ok, I was reading one of my favorite sites, Techcrunch, when I came across this post, which was titled “SimplyHeadlines Is About Five Years Too Late.” I couldn’t help but laugh, cause Techcrunch completely savages this company (Simplyheadlines), basically calling their product useless and irrelevant. [...]

]]> By: aminaglia at technologypr.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489004 aminaglia at technologypr.com Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:53:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-489004 Natali, Thank you for report on SimplyHeadlines. Actually, you CAN choose to - add personal favorite news sources - from http://www.simplyheadlines.com>Signup>SubscriberMenu>ChooseYourNews> either choose or scroll to bottom where you can Add News Sources). Keep in mind however that SimplyHeadlines' has met demand for a customizable service without the need for the user to get into RSS if they choose not to. Also, like you, many SimplyHeadlines users see the similarities to startpages and instead of MyYahoo or NetVibes etc. have chosen SimplyHeadlines because it arrives in their email in-boxes when they're on-the-go. In fact, I read my personalized/customized SimplyHeadlines email newspaper this morning (customized to include my favorite news sources, and blogs) from my Treo while I was heading into the city. We appreciate the constructive feedback, all of which goes into SimplyHeadlines ongoing development efforts and makes this an everyday, simple and efficient tech tool. Your readers can read more about the product at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061204/20061204005707.html?.v=1. Best, Alison Minaglia President TechnologyPR.com for SimplyHeadlines aminaglia at technologypr.com Natali,

Thank you for report on SimplyHeadlines. Actually, you CAN choose to - add personal favorite news sources - from http://www.simplyheadlines.com.....ws&gt; either choose or scroll to bottom where you can Add News Sources). Keep in mind however that SimplyHeadlines’ has met demand for a customizable service without the need for the user to get into RSS if they choose not to. Also, like you, many SimplyHeadlines users see the similarities to startpages and instead of MyYahoo or NetVibes etc. have chosen SimplyHeadlines because it arrives in their email in-boxes when they’re on-the-go. In fact, I read my personalized/customized SimplyHeadlines email newspaper this morning (customized to include my favorite news sources, and blogs) from my Treo while I was heading into the city. We appreciate the constructive feedback, all of which goes into SimplyHeadlines ongoing development efforts and makes this an everyday, simple and efficient tech tool. Your readers can read more about the product at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061204......html?.v=1.

Best,

Alison Minaglia
President
TechnologyPR.com for SimplyHeadlines
aminaglia at technologypr.com

]]> By: David Mackey http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488928 David Mackey Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:33:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488928 News summaries can be nice, but I agree, I don't think this can fly. Digg already gives summaries. News summaries can be nice, but I agree, I don’t think this can fly. Digg already gives summaries.

]]> By: Cyrus http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488634 Cyrus Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:31:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488634 Polarization = Good Polarization = Good

]]> By: Patricia http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488549 Patricia Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:12:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/05/simplyheadlines-is-about-five-years-too-late/#comment-488549 @ Phil, you haven't been around for any of the PayPerPost drama then :) @ Phil, you haven’t been around for any of the PayPerPost drama then :)

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