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		<title>By: bose headphones</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-4/#comment-2880456</link>
		<dc:creator>bose headphones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like very much the writings and pictures and explanations in your adress so I look forward to see your next writings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like very much the writings and pictures and explanations in your adress so I look forward to see your next writings.</p>
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		<title>By: Maven Mapper&#8217;s Information &#187; Web 2.0 Marketing Value Plays</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-4/#comment-1944135</link>
		<dc:creator>Maven Mapper&#8217;s Information &#187; Web 2.0 Marketing Value Plays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is some controversy over the utilization of Web 2.0 Marketing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is some controversy over the utilization of Web 2.0 Marketing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GRABBINGSAND &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Money</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-4/#comment-1402141</link>
		<dc:creator>GRABBINGSAND &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Direct. Now, a simple Google search reveals all manner of opinion about Pay-Per-Post. Some love it. Some hate it. Some think it is illegal. Still others say that PPP has experienced a kind of redemption. As for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Direct. Now, a simple Google search reveals all manner of opinion about Pay-Per-Post. Some love it. Some hate it. Some think it is illegal. Still others say that PPP has experienced a kind of redemption. As for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neomeme</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-4/#comment-1296974</link>
		<dc:creator>Neomeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Blog A-List Exists and I can Prove&#160;It...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here&#8217;s a riddle for you: What&#8217;s invisible to those inside it but painfully obvious to outsiders?
Answer: The A-List of bloggers.
Recently, there&#8217;s been a lot of criticism coming from the likes of Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis, Steve ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Blog A-List Exists and I can Prove&nbsp;It&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a riddle for you: What&#8217;s invisible to those inside it but painfully obvious to outsiders?<br />
Answer: The A-List of bloggers.<br />
Recently, there&#8217;s been a lot of criticism coming from the likes of Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis, Steve &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ansia</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-1202651</link>
		<dc:creator>ansia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tha t s incredible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tha t s incredible</p>
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		<title>By: home equity line of credit</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-1115821</link>
		<dc:creator>home equity line of credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;home equity line of credit...&lt;/strong&gt;

ok...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>home equity line of credit&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>ok&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: www.webyantra.net&#187;Blog Archive &#187; ibibo BloggerHunt…what Web2.0 marketing promotions should not be like</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-984593</link>
		<dc:creator>www.webyantra.net&#187;Blog Archive &#187; ibibo BloggerHunt…what Web2.0 marketing promotions should not be like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Without getting into the specifics, let me point towards a bunch of blog posts, that should give you a good idea of what’s cooking. Rashmi Bansal, who writes the immensely popular blog Youthcurry, says in her blog post (Rs 1.5 crores for this crap?) – “..you can&#8217;t stimulate blogging by paying out huge sums to people who don&#8217;t care about blogging in the first place&#8230;”. ContentSutra’s earlier post (MIH offers Rs1.50 crores to bloggers..why?) questions the company’s motivations in running this contest. Rajiv in his blog post (Junk blog leads Indian blogging contest!) chronicles the farcical way, the contest is unfolding. To me, the contest is reminiscent of the controversial startup Payperpost, that pays bloggers to write about advertisers products (Payperpost is discussed frequently on TechCrunch). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Without getting into the specifics, let me point towards a bunch of blog posts, that should give you a good idea of what’s cooking. Rashmi Bansal, who writes the immensely popular blog Youthcurry, says in her blog post (Rs 1.5 crores for this crap?) – “..you can&#8217;t stimulate blogging by paying out huge sums to people who don&#8217;t care about blogging in the first place&#8230;”. ContentSutra’s earlier post (MIH offers Rs1.50 crores to bloggers..why?) questions the company’s motivations in running this contest. Rajiv in his blog post (Junk blog leads Indian blogging contest!) chronicles the farcical way, the contest is unfolding. To me, the contest is reminiscent of the controversial startup Payperpost, that pays bloggers to write about advertisers products (Payperpost is discussed frequently on TechCrunch). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James W</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-615478</link>
		<dc:creator>James W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you folks getting paid for blogging are doing, is running your credibility into the ground.

I&#039;ll be happy when disclosure is enforced by law, so folks can see how cheaply you sell yourselves for a buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you folks getting paid for blogging are doing, is running your credibility into the ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be happy when disclosure is enforced by law, so folks can see how cheaply you sell yourselves for a buck.</p>
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		<title>By: CenterNetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-563533</link>
		<dc:creator>CenterNetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rockstartup top search on Technorati today...&lt;/strong&gt;

I was checking out my stats on Technorati this evening and noticed the following as the top search: Rockstarup. I couldn&#039;t remember where I saw this before so I did a bit of research and found out that yes, they are the &quot;tv&quot; company started by Paype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rockstartup top search on Technorati today&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I was checking out my stats on Technorati this evening and noticed the following as the top search: Rockstarup. I couldn&#8217;t remember where I saw this before so I did a bit of research and found out that yes, they are the &#8220;tv&#8221; company started by Paype&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam OK</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-561746</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam OK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any publicity is good publicity. Now more people know of payperpost, to a small extent because of this article. BTW, payperpost now requires paid bloggers to disclose that their posts are bing sponsored. So there you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any publicity is good publicity. Now more people know of payperpost, to a small extent because of this article. BTW, payperpost now requires paid bloggers to disclose that their posts are bing sponsored. So there you go.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-514081</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
something to consider is that most PPP bloggers aren&#039;t deceiving their readers, because they simply don&#039;t have readers.

Take my blog for instance. I get almost 600 visits per day (not much I know), but the vast majority are just coming from Google for a specific post. They&#039;re not returning daily to hear my latest insights. They won&#039;t be deceived into thinking that I&#039;m endorsing some product I don&#039;t believe in, because chances are they don&#039;t care about that post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
something to consider is that most PPP bloggers aren&#8217;t deceiving their readers, because they simply don&#8217;t have readers.</p>
<p>Take my blog for instance. I get almost 600 visits per day (not much I know), but the vast majority are just coming from Google for a specific post. They&#8217;re not returning daily to hear my latest insights. They won&#8217;t be deceived into thinking that I&#8217;m endorsing some product I don&#8217;t believe in, because chances are they don&#8217;t care about that post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: VentureBeat &#187; West Coast vs. East Coast &#8212; West is drubbing East, in modesty too</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-513760</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBeat &#187; West Coast vs. East Coast &#8212; West is drubbing East, in modesty too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The start-up that filmed itself during the boom era of 2000, Govworks.com (the company of Kaleil Tuzman&#8217;s, pictured top, which became the documentary Startup.com) was based in New York City. And this year&#8217;s self-absorbed company, PayPerPost, is based in Florida (we wrote about PayPerPost here). It has launched Rockstartup to video-chronicle its journey. It has the obligatory episode of the founder Ted Murphy in the car, before and after meeting with venture capitalists (click on image above for video). Of course, Murphy comes back after the meeting, boasting he&#8217;s raised $3 million in three meetings, and is going to make his partner so rich. Both PayPerPost and Govworks raised money from Silicon Valley VCs (Govworks raised $60M, including from Mayfield, PayPerPost from DFJ), so valley VCs are partly responsible for this sort of excess too. What do you think? Will PayPerPost bomb, like Govworks did? Techcrunch also takes note. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The start-up that filmed itself during the boom era of 2000, Govworks.com (the company of Kaleil Tuzman&#8217;s, pictured top, which became the documentary Startup.com) was based in New York City. And this year&#8217;s self-absorbed company, PayPerPost, is based in Florida (we wrote about PayPerPost here). It has launched Rockstartup to video-chronicle its journey. It has the obligatory episode of the founder Ted Murphy in the car, before and after meeting with venture capitalists (click on image above for video). Of course, Murphy comes back after the meeting, boasting he&#8217;s raised $3 million in three meetings, and is going to make his partner so rich. Both PayPerPost and Govworks raised money from Silicon Valley VCs (Govworks raised $60M, including from Mayfield, PayPerPost from DFJ), so valley VCs are partly responsible for this sort of excess too. What do you think? Will PayPerPost bomb, like Govworks did? Techcrunch also takes note. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WhosYourDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-491909</link>
		<dc:creator>WhosYourDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I’m just saying that A-list bloggers are constantly being induced with freebies, none of which they disclose.  I think PayPerPost is going about it the right way, trying to encourage bloggers to have a disclosure policy similar to TechCrunch’s short but acceptable Disclosure policy found here (http://www.techcrunch.com/about-techcrunch/), even though I note it says nothing about how much Mr. Arrington makes from advertising, speaking engagements, free tickets, paid travel, or “loaned” merchandise.  Take a look at what A-list bloggers are being given in the articles below and I think you will agree that at least PayPerPost is trying to move things in the right direction.


[ The evolving corporate focus on &quot;blog placement&quot; is part of an intensifying trend, with elite bloggers receiving gifts like show tickets and bottles of Champagne.

Intel, the chip maker, doled out free laptops to six well-known bloggers who were invited to muse about blogging over a six-week period.

There is a video circulating online that pictures four German bloggers careening around a racetrack in a shiny red Opel Astra. All of them received free use of the Astra cars for four weeks plus allowances as part of blogging project for Opel.

In recent months, the gifts and invitations have multiplied, according to an Italian blogger, Luca Conti, who lists himself as a &quot;conversational media consultant.&quot;

On his Web site, Pandemia, he tallied the booty: a mobile telephone, several subsidized conferences and a fully paid trip to Paris this weekend, compliments of France 24, the new French International broadcaster.

To promote its debut, the channel is flying in 12 bloggers whose early invitations also included bottles of Moët &amp; Chandon Champagne. The guests will also get to pose questions by video to a prime news source: José Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.

&quot;For every one of these conferences, I have received reimbursement for travel expenses and sometimes for overnight lodging,&quot; Conti wrote in his blog, inviting debate the issue. ] –Full article: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/01/business/ad04.php

Here is another example of an A-list blogger getting a free laptop in &quot;exchange&quot; for reviewing microsoft&#039;s Zune on his blog.
http://gigaom.com/2006/11/15/zuned/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I’m just saying that A-list bloggers are constantly being induced with freebies, none of which they disclose.  I think PayPerPost is going about it the right way, trying to encourage bloggers to have a disclosure policy similar to TechCrunch’s short but acceptable Disclosure policy found here (<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/about-techcrunch/)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.techcrunch.com/about-techcrunch/'>http://www.tech...out-techcrunch/</a>), even though I note it says nothing about how much Mr. Arrington makes from advertising, speaking engagements, free tickets, paid travel, or “loaned” merchandise.  Take a look at what A-list bloggers are being given in the articles below and I think you will agree that at least PayPerPost is trying to move things in the right direction.</p>
<p>[ The evolving corporate focus on "blog placement" is part of an intensifying trend, with elite bloggers receiving gifts like show tickets and bottles of Champagne.</p>
<p>Intel, the chip maker, doled out free laptops to six well-known bloggers who were invited to muse about blogging over a six-week period.</p>
<p>There is a video circulating online that pictures four German bloggers careening around a racetrack in a shiny red Opel Astra. All of them received free use of the Astra cars for four weeks plus allowances as part of blogging project for Opel.</p>
<p>In recent months, the gifts and invitations have multiplied, according to an Italian blogger, Luca Conti, who lists himself as a "conversational media consultant."</p>
<p>On his Web site, Pandemia, he tallied the booty: a mobile telephone, several subsidized conferences and a fully paid trip to Paris this weekend, compliments of France 24, the new French International broadcaster.</p>
<p>To promote its debut, the channel is flying in 12 bloggers whose early invitations also included bottles of Moët &amp; Chandon Champagne. The guests will also get to pose questions by video to a prime news source: José Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.</p>
<p>"For every one of these conferences, I have received reimbursement for travel expenses and sometimes for overnight lodging," Conti wrote in his blog, inviting debate the issue. ] –Full article: <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/01/business/ad04.php" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/01/business/ad04.php'>http://www.iht....siness/ad04.php</a></p>
<p>Here is another example of an A-list blogger getting a free laptop in &#8220;exchange&#8221; for reviewing microsoft&#8217;s Zune on his blog.<br />
<a href="http://gigaom.com/2006/11/15/zuned/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://gigaom.com/2006/11/15/zuned/'>http://gigaom.c...06/11/15/zuned/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barak</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-490682</link>
		<dc:creator>Barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just used PayPerPost for the first time.  Unfortunately, it was a HUGE disappointment.  I tried one blogger as an experiment. I required that my tracking link be used.  The blogger did not use my link.  He used his own.  Also, the blog was made entirely to make money from PPP.  There&#039;s no real content there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just used PayPerPost for the first time.  Unfortunately, it was a HUGE disappointment.  I tried one blogger as an experiment. I required that my tracking link be used.  The blogger did not use my link.  He used his own.  Also, the blog was made entirely to make money from PPP.  There&#8217;s no real content there.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dollar Factory Blog &#187; The Internet is not big enough for all the nerds</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-489478</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dollar Factory Blog &#187; The Internet is not big enough for all the nerds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the meantime, TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington seems to have a hard time getting along with people. Most recently he had a bone to pick with Ted Murphy and his Pay Per Post startup. Then some video blogger from 1938media thought it wise to lie naked on his bed and waste a whole 3 minutes calling Arrington an ass; he can sure use some help writing the script for his video blog! Just today, TechCrunch’s readers ripped on Natali Del Conte for writing a story about SimplyHeadlines.com. Apparently, many people thought that this new startup was not worthy of a TechCrunch review. Some people were also pissed off with Arrington because he established CrunchBoard; people argued that he was just copying 37signals who apparently was first to establish a highly targeted job board. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the meantime, TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington seems to have a hard time getting along with people. Most recently he had a bone to pick with Ted Murphy and his Pay Per Post startup. Then some video blogger from 1938media thought it wise to lie naked on his bed and waste a whole 3 minutes calling Arrington an ass; he can sure use some help writing the script for his video blog! Just today, TechCrunch’s readers ripped on Natali Del Conte for writing a story about SimplyHeadlines.com. Apparently, many people thought that this new startup was not worthy of a TechCrunch review. Some people were also pissed off with Arrington because he established CrunchBoard; people argued that he was just copying 37signals who apparently was first to establish a highly targeted job board. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-488360</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike asked - &quot;Is there anyone who can come up with an argument in favor of PPP that isn’t “I like it because I get money”? Preferably someone who isn’t on their payroll would make this argument. &quot;

I&#039;m not an employee, just a freelance blogger that posts for them, so I guess you can say I&#039;m not on their payroll - right?

Mike also said - &quot;What I don’t understand is how you and others are ok with writing about a product without disclosure, for money, and the post has to be positive. That’s the use case I have an ethical problem with.&quot;

I&#039;ve looked into this issue since it was first raised, and I usually migrate to where it is discussed and read the debates and I&#039;m confused by one thing.  Someone up there (sorry, a LOT to read, I&#039;m not reading it again to find the comment numbers) someone said that Google does not care - well, why should they? I&#039;m starting to think that they are the only ones other than me that has bothered to read the FTC and BBB rules on media advertising - that also apply to the Internet.

The FTC and the BBB both clearly state that there is no need to disclose either payment amount or even the fact that there was a payment provided:

1) you do not have a pecuniary interest in the product/service/whatever being advertised - that&#039;s what got the Wal-Mart guy in trouble, remember?

2) You are honest about your opinion - which is why it is counter productive to advertisers to require a positive posting on things.

3) You are not a recognized name that would sway a reasonable percentage of your readership to do as the ad says.  So for example a well known blogger for computer software would have to say they was paid by Microsoft to plug the latest Windows version - even if they really like it and want people to buy it for their own reasons.  They have enough influence to get a reasonable percent of their readers buying it based on their recommendation alone - so they have to let their readership know they were paid.

Little peon bloggers like me, that talk about the cat scared of the thermometer in the window, about the latest urinal she had to duck, about how many words I managed to get wrote on what I hope is my next best seller... we&#039;re not looked up to, not that I know of at least.  That is why I back up PayPerPost and sites like them.  The people that write for them don&#039;t have to disclose, we&#039;re a small insignificant little Suzie Homemaker advice column on page 550 million of the blog-paper of cyberspace.  

When my blog about my diet efforts becomes the number one resource for dieters - then I will have to disclose every instance of payment for anything I post, until then, the FTC and BBB say that I am not important enough to have an effect on anyone&#039;s buying or investment or whatever tendencies so I am free to say or not say as long as I am expressing my honest point of view on the advertised product/service/whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike asked &#8211; &#8220;Is there anyone who can come up with an argument in favor of PPP that isn’t “I like it because I get money”? Preferably someone who isn’t on their payroll would make this argument. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an employee, just a freelance blogger that posts for them, so I guess you can say I&#8217;m not on their payroll &#8211; right?</p>
<p>Mike also said &#8211; &#8220;What I don’t understand is how you and others are ok with writing about a product without disclosure, for money, and the post has to be positive. That’s the use case I have an ethical problem with.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked into this issue since it was first raised, and I usually migrate to where it is discussed and read the debates and I&#8217;m confused by one thing.  Someone up there (sorry, a LOT to read, I&#8217;m not reading it again to find the comment numbers) someone said that Google does not care &#8211; well, why should they? I&#8217;m starting to think that they are the only ones other than me that has bothered to read the FTC and BBB rules on media advertising &#8211; that also apply to the Internet.</p>
<p>The FTC and the BBB both clearly state that there is no need to disclose either payment amount or even the fact that there was a payment provided:</p>
<p>1) you do not have a pecuniary interest in the product/service/whatever being advertised &#8211; that&#8217;s what got the Wal-Mart guy in trouble, remember?</p>
<p>2) You are honest about your opinion &#8211; which is why it is counter productive to advertisers to require a positive posting on things.</p>
<p>3) You are not a recognized name that would sway a reasonable percentage of your readership to do as the ad says.  So for example a well known blogger for computer software would have to say they was paid by Microsoft to plug the latest Windows version &#8211; even if they really like it and want people to buy it for their own reasons.  They have enough influence to get a reasonable percent of their readers buying it based on their recommendation alone &#8211; so they have to let their readership know they were paid.</p>
<p>Little peon bloggers like me, that talk about the cat scared of the thermometer in the window, about the latest urinal she had to duck, about how many words I managed to get wrote on what I hope is my next best seller&#8230; we&#8217;re not looked up to, not that I know of at least.  That is why I back up PayPerPost and sites like them.  The people that write for them don&#8217;t have to disclose, we&#8217;re a small insignificant little Suzie Homemaker advice column on page 550 million of the blog-paper of cyberspace.  </p>
<p>When my blog about my diet efforts becomes the number one resource for dieters &#8211; then I will have to disclose every instance of payment for anything I post, until then, the FTC and BBB say that I am not important enough to have an effect on anyone&#8217;s buying or investment or whatever tendencies so I am free to say or not say as long as I am expressing my honest point of view on the advertised product/service/whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Historian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-487901</link>
		<dc:creator>Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who remembers when there was absolutely no advertising on the Internet -- i.e. before the Web and browsers came along. When they did come along, people complained about how advertising was going to ruin the whole thing...sounds a little bit like all the jumping up and down about blogs and paid posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who remembers when there was absolutely no advertising on the Internet &#8212; i.e. before the Web and browsers came along. When they did come along, people complained about how advertising was going to ruin the whole thing&#8230;sounds a little bit like all the jumping up and down about blogs and paid posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Widgets Lab &#187; Rockstartup pissing contest</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-485351</link>
		<dc:creator>Widgets Lab &#187; Rockstartup pissing contest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Making the rounds tonight and saw this post at TechCrunch about Rockstartup.com [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Making the rounds tonight and saw this post at TechCrunch about Rockstartup.com [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-485076</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s spin baby!!  It&#039;s ALL spin!  100% of advertisment is S-P-I-N!!  Do any of us really believe that just because Charmin says that they are the worlds best toilet tissue--they are??---NO!!!  Why----Because it&#039;s advertising!  Saturday morning cartoons are geared for KIDS and getting them to beg their parents for everything--it&#039;s not necessarily all true!!  Many of the toys we&#039;ve bought the kids are crap--but the commercial made it look so cool and so real.  What&#039;s the difference between seeing a product claim to be the worlds best--and a blogger sharing their views on a product -- true or not?  It reminds me of the scene on ELF--when Will Farrell walks in to the diner and congratulates the people on having the &quot;Worlds Greatest Cup Of Coffee!&quot;  Then he takes his girl there, and asks her what she&#039;s drinking and she replies, &quot;Bad Coffee&quot;.  SPIN  SPIN   SPIN SPIN SPIN!!  Get your heads out of your arse and get a freakin&#039; life!!  And no-----I don&#039;t blog!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s spin baby!!  It&#8217;s ALL spin!  100% of advertisment is S-P-I-N!!  Do any of us really believe that just because Charmin says that they are the worlds best toilet tissue&#8211;they are??&#8212;NO!!!  Why&#8212;-Because it&#8217;s advertising!  Saturday morning cartoons are geared for KIDS and getting them to beg their parents for everything&#8211;it&#8217;s not necessarily all true!!  Many of the toys we&#8217;ve bought the kids are crap&#8211;but the commercial made it look so cool and so real.  What&#8217;s the difference between seeing a product claim to be the worlds best&#8211;and a blogger sharing their views on a product &#8212; true or not?  It reminds me of the scene on ELF&#8211;when Will Farrell walks in to the diner and congratulates the people on having the &#8220;Worlds Greatest Cup Of Coffee!&#8221;  Then he takes his girl there, and asks her what she&#8217;s drinking and she replies, &#8220;Bad Coffee&#8221;.  SPIN  SPIN   SPIN SPIN SPIN!!  Get your heads out of your arse and get a freakin&#8217; life!!  And no&#8212;&#8211;I don&#8217;t blog!!!</p>
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		<title>By: AGLOCO Reviewer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-485021</link>
		<dc:creator>AGLOCO Reviewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, I also meant to write &quot;controversy&quot; correctly.  The &quot;e&quot; was a mistype.

Now, were those honest mistakes or did I want to write three times just to draw more attention to myself?  Isn&#039;t that how the game is played online these days?  

It seems to work for this blog.  Get the whole Internet buzzing and clamoring to read the latest PPP rant right here on this site.

Enough is enough.  Move on to something more productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, I also meant to write &#8220;controversy&#8221; correctly.  The &#8220;e&#8221; was a mistype.</p>
<p>Now, were those honest mistakes or did I want to write three times just to draw more attention to myself?  Isn&#8217;t that how the game is played online these days?  </p>
<p>It seems to work for this blog.  Get the whole Internet buzzing and clamoring to read the latest PPP rant right here on this site.</p>
<p>Enough is enough.  Move on to something more productive.</p>
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		<title>By: AGLOCO Reviewer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-484998</link>
		<dc:creator>AGLOCO Reviewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant multiple.  I added the &quot;s&quot; accidentally.</description>
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		<title>By: AGLOCO Reviewer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-484992</link>
		<dc:creator>AGLOCO Reviewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main point of complaining about PPP constantly (or any other company for that matter) is simply to create controversey and get people to your website.  

Congratulations, many people who never heard of you before will now visit this site and MAKE YOU MONEY by supporting your multiples forms of advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main point of complaining about PPP constantly (or any other company for that matter) is simply to create controversey and get people to your website.  </p>
<p>Congratulations, many people who never heard of you before will now visit this site and MAKE YOU MONEY by supporting your multiples forms of advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Swollen Pickles &#8211; Frying in the PayPerPost fire storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swollen Pickles &#8211; Frying in the PayPerPost fire storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yesterday I took up an easy ten buck paid post opportunity. All I had to do was read a blog post on the TechCrunch site and then write 100 words about what I thought about it. I wasn&#8217;t being paid to take a side, I was being paid to post 100 words that outlined my opinion on the matter. Sounds simple doesn&#8217;t it? I think if you read the post itself, you be hard pressed to argue that I was trying to hide the fact I was being paid to post. Who would have thought that a nonsensical throwaway post could provoke so much venom? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yesterday I took up an easy ten buck paid post opportunity. All I had to do was read a blog post on the TechCrunch site and then write 100 words about what I thought about it. I wasn&#8217;t being paid to take a side, I was being paid to post 100 words that outlined my opinion on the matter. Sounds simple doesn&#8217;t it? I think if you read the post itself, you be hard pressed to argue that I was trying to hide the fact I was being paid to post. Who would have thought that a nonsensical throwaway post could provoke so much venom? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-484484</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is, guys: readers (aka, not us) do not like thinking something&#039;s real that&#039;s really advertorial or promotional in some underlying way.

It&#039;s coming from them, not from us. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is, guys: readers (aka, not us) do not like thinking something&#8217;s real that&#8217;s really advertorial or promotional in some underlying way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s coming from them, not from us. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Seth Wagoner</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/03/payperpost-chronicles-their-amorality/comment-page-3/#comment-484031</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Wagoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj, if that&#039;s what they&#039;re doing, then yes, I fault them. But I haven&#039;t listened to PodTech more than once or twice so I can&#039;t really comment. Nothanks, you&#039;re welcome :-) I like your red sock/off-white laundry analogy, and I think we&#039;re very much in agreement about the merit of PayPersPlog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj, if that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing, then yes, I fault them. But I haven&#8217;t listened to PodTech more than once or twice so I can&#8217;t really comment. Nothanks, you&#8217;re welcome <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I like your red sock/off-white laundry analogy, and I think we&#8217;re very much in agreement about the merit of PayPersPlog.</p>
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