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		<title>By: Moving to Los Angeles, Working in Televsion - California (CA) - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moving to Los Angeles, Working in Televsion - California (CA) - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is dying, says Google expert &#8211; Telegraph  Television is Dying &#8211; Make Way for Internet Video Clips  Lets Just Declare TV Dead and Move On  lnadams: tech blog: Who Watches TV Anymore?    [+] Rate this post [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Bear Market for User-Generated Content? : The Drama 2.0 Show</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Bear Market for User-Generated Content? : The Drama 2.0 Show</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] The Sand Hill Road ATM was open for business and the death of Old Media was being celebrated on a daily basis. With YouTube, we didn&#8217;t need network television. With citizen journalists, we didn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Sand Hill Road ATM was open for business and the death of Old Media was being celebrated on a daily basis. With YouTube, we didn&#8217;t need network television. With citizen journalists, we didn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #37</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #37</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Karib Corner-Blog Reports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karib Corner-Blog Reports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On November 28th, 2006    Let&#8217;s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 視力回復手術（レーシック）に関する情報案内</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ドライアイについて...&lt;/strong&gt;

 あなたは、目が疲れる、目が乾くといった感じがしたことはありませんか？ それは、ドライアイになっている可能性があります。目の乾き程度ではあまり気にしない方も多いですが、涙...</description>
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<p> あなたは、目が疲れる、目が乾くといった感じがしたことはありませんか？ それは、ドライアイになっている可能性があります。目の乾き程度ではあまり気にしない方も多いですが、涙&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0, Users create content. Web 3.0, Users are content at Steven Kovar [dot com]</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/27/lets-just-declare-tv-dead-and-move-onhttpwwwtechcrunchcomwp-adminpostphpactioneditpost3865/comment-page-2/#comment-1078944</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0, Users create content. Web 3.0, Users are content at Steven Kovar [dot com]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] streaming glossy marketing phrases, the old egomaniac business structures will fall like dominoes, fall, like TV is falling, falling to the feet of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Information Architects Japan &#187; iA Notebook &#187; Web 3.0: You say you’re on an infolution? Well, you know&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/27/lets-just-declare-tv-dead-and-move-onhttpwwwtechcrunchcomwp-adminpostphpactioneditpost3865/comment-page-2/#comment-893817</link>
		<dc:creator>Information Architects Japan &#187; iA Notebook &#187; Web 3.0: You say you’re on an infolution? Well, you know&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh, I hear you saying, this is a big change. Social businesses! It&#8217;s not. Once companies realize that they&#8217;re more trustworthy, more competitive, more profitable, if they integrate their customers into the production cycle and openly communicate with them instead of streaming glossy marketing phrases, the old egomaniac business structures will fall like dominoes, fall, like TV is falling, falling to the feet of YouTube: There is a fundamental shift in consumer behavior going on - and the question is no longer if, but rather when, more television consumption will occur via the Internet than traditional broadcast and cable television. The key tipping point will be when a startup is able to distribute proper television content over the Internet legally. People will begin to abandon their cable tv subscriptions in favor of Internet distribution. M. Arrington on Techcrunch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oh, I hear you saying, this is a big change. Social businesses! It&#8217;s not. Once companies realize that they&#8217;re more trustworthy, more competitive, more profitable, if they integrate their customers into the production cycle and openly communicate with them instead of streaming glossy marketing phrases, the old egomaniac business structures will fall like dominoes, fall, like TV is falling, falling to the feet of YouTube: There is a fundamental shift in consumer behavior going on &#8211; and the question is no longer if, but rather when, more television consumption will occur via the Internet than traditional broadcast and cable television. The key tipping point will be when a startup is able to distribute proper television content over the Internet legally. People will begin to abandon their cable tv subscriptions in favor of Internet distribution. M. Arrington on Techcrunch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scribbler on the Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TV is dead?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/27/lets-just-declare-tv-dead-and-move-onhttpwwwtechcrunchcomwp-adminpostphpactioneditpost3865/comment-page-2/#comment-734998</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribbler on the Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TV is dead?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And nobody told me? Did you know this? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SD Television is (Almost) Dead &#171; Geek 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>SD Television is (Almost) Dead &#171; Geek 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On)    No Comments   Leave a Commenttrackback addressThere was an error with your comment, please try again. name (required)email (will not be published)(required)url [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let them (TV) that inform you, search the true by your self use the Internet be free!</description>
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		<title>By: Still on TV??? &#171; OMG.tv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still on TV??? &#171; OMG.tv</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] TV is also dead on techcrunch. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 彼岸 &#187; Links for 2006-12-02 [del.icio.us]</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/27/lets-just-declare-tv-dead-and-move-onhttpwwwtechcrunchcomwp-adminpostphpactioneditpost3865/comment-page-2/#comment-480937</link>
		<dc:creator>彼岸 &#187; Links for 2006-12-02 [del.icio.us]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On Michael Arrington宣判电视的死刑，认为电视节目在互联网上发布不是“如果”的问题，而是“什么时候”的问题。又提到了MobiTV，这简历该不该投啊？ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: One Man Shouting - So Television Really Was a Fad</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Man Shouting - So Television Really Was a Fad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] var count = 0; for (var i=0;i        &#160;Friday, 01 December 2006   So Television Really Was a Fad   TechCrunch&#039;s Arrington writes &quot;The key tipping point will be when a startup is able to distributeproper television content over the Internet legally. People will begin to abandon their cable tv subscriptions in favor of Internet distribution.&quot;&#160;The only argument I have with this statement is that&#160;there doesn&#039;t have to be a startup.&#160; Last year I wrote a post titled &quot;A New Media Model&quot; where I discussed how the media producers could simply cut out the middle men and deliver content directly to consumers.&#160; I really don&#039;t want&#160;a new middle man to take the place of the old one, I want flatter distribution, and I want choices about what content I receive, when I receive it, and how I can use it.&#160; &#160;As a side note, until devices like Apple&#039;s ITV are commonplace, efforts in this arena are going to fall flat.&#160; I&#039;ve watched missed episodes of some of our favorite shows on our computer and it just isn&#039;t the same.   Media   Friday, 01 December 2006 15:50:43 (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)&#160; &#160;   Disclaimer &#160;&#124;&#160; Comments [0] &#160;&#124;&#160;             On this page.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.joshrussell.com/2006/10/12/youtube-kills-tv/

Myself and Josh were one step ahead then :)</description>
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<p>Myself and Josh were one step ahead then <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Techno Mojo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Import/Export of Tech News</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/27/lets-just-declare-tv-dead-and-move-onhttpwwwtechcrunchcomwp-adminpostphpactioneditpost3865/comment-page-2/#comment-466172</link>
		<dc:creator>Techno Mojo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Import/Export of Tech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is a lot of talk about how internet video is drawing attention away from mainstream media television. Television networks are upset at this. My advice? Create good, unique content. Who needs to see another medical show, cop show or a stupid sitcom with a fake laughtrack? Lifehacker has a post about alternatives to cable tv. Timely. The new Democracy player is out, supposedly less buggy, faster, smarter although I have never had an issue with it. The new Zune player from Microsoft is getting a lot of haters. Photoshoppers are having a field day with Zune error screens. Hysterical. According to Kineda, I am a C-list blogger. Hmm, just like my grades in school. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is a lot of talk about how internet video is drawing attention away from mainstream media television. Television networks are upset at this. My advice? Create good, unique content. Who needs to see another medical show, cop show or a stupid sitcom with a fake laughtrack? Lifehacker has a post about alternatives to cable tv. Timely. The new Democracy player is out, supposedly less buggy, faster, smarter although I have never had an issue with it. The new Zune player from Microsoft is getting a lot of haters. Photoshoppers are having a field day with Zune error screens. Hysterical. According to Kineda, I am a C-list blogger. Hmm, just like my grades in school. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-11-30 &#171; Zero influence</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2006-11-30 &#171; Zero influence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On A new poll in the UK shows that people who watch online videos tend to watch less television. It looks like they didn’t take into account that people with broadband Internet connections in general watch less television, so the poll may be more of a simp (tags: tv youtube video internet television online) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Let’s Just Declare TV Dead and Move On A new poll in the UK shows that people who watch online videos tend to watch less television. It looks like they didn’t take into account that people with broadband Internet connections in general watch less television, so the poll may be more of a simp (tags: tv youtube video internet television online) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cruncher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cruncher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -
Do you gurantee I get the same HD resolution on 60&quot; TV hooked thru computer?</description>
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Do you gurantee I get the same HD resolution on 60&#8243; TV hooked thru computer?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drama..Jughead..Dudes, you&#039;ve got something to say.  On TV!.  How about a debate?  We&#039;ll stream it....if we can put you guys in the same time zone.  Lemme know. We can stream you (and anyone else) for &quot;almost&quot; free at gridfold.com.</description>
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		<title>By: dcinput &#187; Blog Archive &#187; dcinput daily for Tue 28th Nov, 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcinput &#187; Blog Archive &#187; dcinput daily for Tue 28th Nov, 2006</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jughead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jughead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drama,

i greatly appreciate your analysis of the fledgling American empire or as i like to ccall us &quot;the credit debt nation.&quot;

Check this report at Bear Stearns. Good stuff on the Long Tail and relates to our pointless banter.

http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/research/analysts/wang/112706/index.htm

Great discussion today. Cheers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drama,</p>
<p>i greatly appreciate your analysis of the fledgling American empire or as i like to ccall us &#8220;the credit debt nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Check this report at Bear Stearns. Good stuff on the Long Tail and relates to our pointless banter.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/research/analysts/wang/112706/index.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.bearstearns.com/bscportal/research/analysts/wang/112706/index.htm'>http://www.bear...12706/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Great discussion today. Cheers.</p>
<p>The Jug</p>
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		<title>By: Forsooth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forsooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern with IPTV is that it is not an internet solution, it is an IP solution. IPTV requires a middle-man to negotiate deals with producers, aggregate content at a head-end, strikes deals with ISPs etc etc. This may be necessary now for VOD because of the huge bandwidth requirements of streaming HDTV, but it is not necessary for the offline DVR model. Without a true internet solution of delivery content will continue to reflect the tame and homogenous tastes of mainstream media and advertisers.

But internet solutions requires open standards. Are there open standards bodies which set-top box manufactures are turning to for internet connectivity, or is it Gold Rush 2.0?

As for reconciling the ad model with DVRs, I envision standards that allow for a tiered model of delivery: fee-based without ads, and free with ads and with markers disallowing fast-forwarding through commercials.

In the end, I don&#039;t see IPTV VOD and DVRs in competition, because the DVR can always assimiliate what is thrown at it while integrating true internet video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern with IPTV is that it is not an internet solution, it is an IP solution. IPTV requires a middle-man to negotiate deals with producers, aggregate content at a head-end, strikes deals with ISPs etc etc. This may be necessary now for VOD because of the huge bandwidth requirements of streaming HDTV, but it is not necessary for the offline DVR model. Without a true internet solution of delivery content will continue to reflect the tame and homogenous tastes of mainstream media and advertisers.</p>
<p>But internet solutions requires open standards. Are there open standards bodies which set-top box manufactures are turning to for internet connectivity, or is it Gold Rush 2.0?</p>
<p>As for reconciling the ad model with DVRs, I envision standards that allow for a tiered model of delivery: fee-based without ads, and free with ads and with markers disallowing fast-forwarding through commercials.</p>
<p>In the end, I don&#8217;t see IPTV VOD and DVRs in competition, because the DVR can always assimiliate what is thrown at it while integrating true internet video.</p>
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		<title>By: Drama 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drama 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jughead: you make some interesting points. In regards to manufacturing, you are absolutely correct that the ability of competition to manufacture products more cheaply that we can contributed to the decline of our manufacturing industry. And you are absolutely right that people don&#039;t care about the American manufacturer, unless you are one of the unfortunate factory workers who was laid off. There will come a time, however, when more people care because they will wake up and realize that our economy was merely a deck of cards. Our country is essentially being bought up by foreign governments and foreign/multinational enterprises. Governments like China subsidize our debt by purchasing US Treasury bonds (Asia now owns around 50% of these) so that we can buy their products. Foreign companies continue to buy out American companies, often with cold hard cash (Russia&#039;s Evraz Group just bought Oregon Steel Mills, for example, for $2.3 billion in cash). And of course, most of the natural resources we consume, like oil, result in an outflow of money to countries that oftentimes are called our &quot;enemies.&quot; We&#039;re already starting to see the erosion of our service economy and people in these &quot;skilled&quot; professions aren&#039;t safe.

Take a trip to places like Dubai, Moscow or Hong Kong and you&#039;ll see that while they&#039;re increasingly swimming in seas of hard wealth, we&#039;re increasingly swimming in a sea of debt and vapor wealth. Unfortunately by the time we realize that our consumer and greed-driven culture has cannibalized our own economy and created a house of cards, all our wealth will have been effectively transferred to the global chess players who found themselves playing a high-stakes game with a culture only capable of playing checkers.

Macroeconomic doom and gloom aside, you state:

&quot;What’s to stop a group of creatives from doing the same thing and putting it online? Nothing because it’s dirt cheap. That’s why so many shows like those are on TV and spoonfed to the masses. The’re inexpensively produced product.&quot;

I disagree that it&#039;s &quot;dirt&quot; cheap. Try getting a bunch of people together to produce a show with high-quality content when they have no way to monetize it in such a way that everybody gets rewarded. You need somebody writing the script, you need a host, you need a producer/director and you need equipment if you are to produce something of professional quality. I have yet to see any vlog that I could watch side-by-side with something produced in Hollywood and not be able to tell that it was put together by &quot;amateurs.&quot; This doesn&#039;t mean that the cost of production isn&#039;t going down, but it means that mainstream America is still very much in love with mainstream content and most Americans aren&#039;t interested in Rocketboom and Zefrank.

Somebody will eventually create an online video show that is very appealing to the mainstream, or will come close. And guess what: when they do, a television/cable company will likely come along and offer them a deal. They have the cash and most people who are offered a TV show will jump at the opportunity. Guaranteed cash and the ego boost of being on TV go a long way. If the producers don&#039;t &quot;sell out&quot;, they are stuck with the same challenge as the television/cable companies: finding advertisers and ways to make money in a highly-competitive and fragmented market, especially when a single online show probably doesn&#039;t have a big enough audience to make it interesting for a blue-chip advertiser.

So my final point is that user-generated video in and of itself isn&#039;t going to hurt the television/cable companies. YouTube usage shows that the demand for user-generated content is minimal compared to the demand for Hollywood content. Television/cable will face challenges and will have to adopt new distribution channels to enable consumers to consume their content in new ways, but they produce the content people want and that puts them in a fairly safe position. Let&#039;s touch base in a year and see if any vlogger has a show as popular as Jon Stewart. Let&#039;s see if some enterprising video producers have created something as entrenched in pop culture as American Idol. Let&#039;s see if somebody has created a drama like Lost. Let&#039;s see if an independent filmmaker pulls in even $20 million without a distribution deal with a major studio. What&#039;s changing here is how content is distributed and consumed, not who&#039;s producing the content people want and who is going to make the most money from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jughead: you make some interesting points. In regards to manufacturing, you are absolutely correct that the ability of competition to manufacture products more cheaply that we can contributed to the decline of our manufacturing industry. And you are absolutely right that people don&#8217;t care about the American manufacturer, unless you are one of the unfortunate factory workers who was laid off. There will come a time, however, when more people care because they will wake up and realize that our economy was merely a deck of cards. Our country is essentially being bought up by foreign governments and foreign/multinational enterprises. Governments like China subsidize our debt by purchasing US Treasury bonds (Asia now owns around 50% of these) so that we can buy their products. Foreign companies continue to buy out American companies, often with cold hard cash (Russia&#8217;s Evraz Group just bought Oregon Steel Mills, for example, for $2.3 billion in cash). And of course, most of the natural resources we consume, like oil, result in an outflow of money to countries that oftentimes are called our &#8220;enemies.&#8221; We&#8217;re already starting to see the erosion of our service economy and people in these &#8220;skilled&#8221; professions aren&#8217;t safe.</p>
<p>Take a trip to places like Dubai, Moscow or Hong Kong and you&#8217;ll see that while they&#8217;re increasingly swimming in seas of hard wealth, we&#8217;re increasingly swimming in a sea of debt and vapor wealth. Unfortunately by the time we realize that our consumer and greed-driven culture has cannibalized our own economy and created a house of cards, all our wealth will have been effectively transferred to the global chess players who found themselves playing a high-stakes game with a culture only capable of playing checkers.</p>
<p>Macroeconomic doom and gloom aside, you state:</p>
<p>&#8220;What’s to stop a group of creatives from doing the same thing and putting it online? Nothing because it’s dirt cheap. That’s why so many shows like those are on TV and spoonfed to the masses. The’re inexpensively produced product.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree that it&#8217;s &#8220;dirt&#8221; cheap. Try getting a bunch of people together to produce a show with high-quality content when they have no way to monetize it in such a way that everybody gets rewarded. You need somebody writing the script, you need a host, you need a producer/director and you need equipment if you are to produce something of professional quality. I have yet to see any vlog that I could watch side-by-side with something produced in Hollywood and not be able to tell that it was put together by &#8220;amateurs.&#8221; This doesn&#8217;t mean that the cost of production isn&#8217;t going down, but it means that mainstream America is still very much in love with mainstream content and most Americans aren&#8217;t interested in Rocketboom and Zefrank.</p>
<p>Somebody will eventually create an online video show that is very appealing to the mainstream, or will come close. And guess what: when they do, a television/cable company will likely come along and offer them a deal. They have the cash and most people who are offered a TV show will jump at the opportunity. Guaranteed cash and the ego boost of being on TV go a long way. If the producers don&#8217;t &#8220;sell out&#8221;, they are stuck with the same challenge as the television/cable companies: finding advertisers and ways to make money in a highly-competitive and fragmented market, especially when a single online show probably doesn&#8217;t have a big enough audience to make it interesting for a blue-chip advertiser.</p>
<p>So my final point is that user-generated video in and of itself isn&#8217;t going to hurt the television/cable companies. YouTube usage shows that the demand for user-generated content is minimal compared to the demand for Hollywood content. Television/cable will face challenges and will have to adopt new distribution channels to enable consumers to consume their content in new ways, but they produce the content people want and that puts them in a fairly safe position. Let&#8217;s touch base in a year and see if any vlogger has a show as popular as Jon Stewart. Let&#8217;s see if some enterprising video producers have created something as entrenched in pop culture as American Idol. Let&#8217;s see if somebody has created a drama like Lost. Let&#8217;s see if an independent filmmaker pulls in even $20 million without a distribution deal with a major studio. What&#8217;s changing here is how content is distributed and consumed, not who&#8217;s producing the content people want and who is going to make the most money from it.</p>
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		<title>By: nemrut</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemrut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man..you guys writing essays on this topic how do find the time to watch tv ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Jughead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jughead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drama,

Well thought and well put. particularly this point:

&quot;We apparently lack the ability to recognize that if the producers of goods and services are not compensated appropriately for the production of those goods and services, its becomes unlikely that they will continue to produce them. While I’m oversimplifying it a bit, this same type of attitude has already played a crucial role in the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. We want goods as cheaply as possible and will cannibalize our own nation’s industries to get those goods cheaper. Obviously there are a lot of contributing factors that could be blamed (pensions, insurance costs, medical costs, labor unions, etc.), but the point I’m trying to make is that very few people here seem to be asking the question “What makes sense for us economically?” If you love The Daily Show, for instance, it’s in your best interest to find some way to make sure that you’re not cutting out the economic incentive Comedy Central/Viacom has to produce it.&quot;

While the analogy of the media business to the manufacturing sector is extreme it makes sense. Consider: American manufacturing fell apart because of reduced costs to produce similar products from global competition. Sound familiar? 

This is capitalism at work. Consumers don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s about supporting anybody. It&#039;s self/capital preservation. People don&#039;t care about the little guy or the American manufacturer. They shop at Target and WalMart. People won&#039;t pay for software. They pirate it. People don&#039;t care about the artists who create music or the legal owners (labels). They pirate it. people want want to pay lees, period. Video and film production has gone digital and it will be pirated, Tivo&#039;d and splintered and fragmented to a point by new competiton  to where it will be completely unrecognizable in five years. 

Let&#039;s look at history.

First their were three networks and PBS. (think of the hours wasted watching Merv Griffith!)

Cable came along and siphoned off huge portions of their audience. 

More shows were added to cable, movie channels and then the rise of HBO as a content developer (they ripped the networks a new one with shows like the Sopranos and Sex and the City) and basically forced the networks to seriously revisit their core offerings. 

DVD&#039;s and boxed sets of old TV shows hit Blockbuster.

netflix

Satelite hits the mainstream in the form of Direct TV, etc.

Tivo.

Advertisers begin to question viewership and pricing.

Internet video hits in 2006.

IPTV in 2007

prediction: Massive fragmentation of audience due to tsunami of content choices by 2008.

UGC (YouTube, YouTube clones, video podcasters)
Archived film and video - long tail
Foreign films and video - new markets
New media webTV producers - piranhas
Virtual Worlds - second life, cyworld, etc
massive online Gameplay - halo, Gears, Warcraft, etc

The networks will fight tooth and nail and do their best to adapt but I believe (and could be dead wrong) that small video start ups will come together to create unique programming, the likes of which we haven&#039;t seen before. We&#039;re just starting. Granted, the production values will be lacking but think about how inexpensive it is to use a green screen and then modify the digital video using Adobe software. It&#039;s shocking how professionally done the final product looks for very little cost. 

Alot of people watch these &quot;Trading Spaces&quot; and &quot;This Old House&quot; type of shows on cable like Food Network and Style Channel. They capture a particular audience for an advertiser for minimal cost and provide sufficient ROI to make the ad buy justifiable for the advertiser.  What&#039;s to stop a group of creatives from doing the same thing and putting it online? Nothing because it&#039;s dirt cheap. That&#039;s why so many shows like those are on TV and spoonfed to the masses. The&#039;re inexpensively produced product. 

Again, nobody cares if it&#039;s NBC, Style Channel or two guys in a garage. If it works people will watch.

I like your idea about checking back in a year from now. The networks will still be here, but there will also be a ton of new video content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drama,</p>
<p>Well thought and well put. particularly this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;We apparently lack the ability to recognize that if the producers of goods and services are not compensated appropriately for the production of those goods and services, its becomes unlikely that they will continue to produce them. While I’m oversimplifying it a bit, this same type of attitude has already played a crucial role in the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. We want goods as cheaply as possible and will cannibalize our own nation’s industries to get those goods cheaper. Obviously there are a lot of contributing factors that could be blamed (pensions, insurance costs, medical costs, labor unions, etc.), but the point I’m trying to make is that very few people here seem to be asking the question “What makes sense for us economically?” If you love The Daily Show, for instance, it’s in your best interest to find some way to make sure that you’re not cutting out the economic incentive Comedy Central/Viacom has to produce it.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the analogy of the media business to the manufacturing sector is extreme it makes sense. Consider: American manufacturing fell apart because of reduced costs to produce similar products from global competition. Sound familiar? </p>
<p>This is capitalism at work. Consumers don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s about supporting anybody. It&#8217;s self/capital preservation. People don&#8217;t care about the little guy or the American manufacturer. They shop at Target and WalMart. People won&#8217;t pay for software. They pirate it. People don&#8217;t care about the artists who create music or the legal owners (labels). They pirate it. people want want to pay lees, period. Video and film production has gone digital and it will be pirated, Tivo&#8217;d and splintered and fragmented to a point by new competiton  to where it will be completely unrecognizable in five years. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at history.</p>
<p>First their were three networks and PBS. (think of the hours wasted watching Merv Griffith!)</p>
<p>Cable came along and siphoned off huge portions of their audience. </p>
<p>More shows were added to cable, movie channels and then the rise of HBO as a content developer (they ripped the networks a new one with shows like the Sopranos and Sex and the City) and basically forced the networks to seriously revisit their core offerings. </p>
<p>DVD&#8217;s and boxed sets of old TV shows hit Blockbuster.</p>
<p>netflix</p>
<p>Satelite hits the mainstream in the form of Direct TV, etc.</p>
<p>Tivo.</p>
<p>Advertisers begin to question viewership and pricing.</p>
<p>Internet video hits in 2006.</p>
<p>IPTV in 2007</p>
<p>prediction: Massive fragmentation of audience due to tsunami of content choices by 2008.</p>
<p>UGC (YouTube, YouTube clones, video podcasters)<br />
Archived film and video &#8211; long tail<br />
Foreign films and video &#8211; new markets<br />
New media webTV producers &#8211; piranhas<br />
Virtual Worlds &#8211; second life, cyworld, etc<br />
massive online Gameplay &#8211; halo, Gears, Warcraft, etc</p>
<p>The networks will fight tooth and nail and do their best to adapt but I believe (and could be dead wrong) that small video start ups will come together to create unique programming, the likes of which we haven&#8217;t seen before. We&#8217;re just starting. Granted, the production values will be lacking but think about how inexpensive it is to use a green screen and then modify the digital video using Adobe software. It&#8217;s shocking how professionally done the final product looks for very little cost. </p>
<p>Alot of people watch these &#8220;Trading Spaces&#8221; and &#8220;This Old House&#8221; type of shows on cable like Food Network and Style Channel. They capture a particular audience for an advertiser for minimal cost and provide sufficient ROI to make the ad buy justifiable for the advertiser.  What&#8217;s to stop a group of creatives from doing the same thing and putting it online? Nothing because it&#8217;s dirt cheap. That&#8217;s why so many shows like those are on TV and spoonfed to the masses. The&#8217;re inexpensively produced product. </p>
<p>Again, nobody cares if it&#8217;s NBC, Style Channel or two guys in a garage. If it works people will watch.</p>
<p>I like your idea about checking back in a year from now. The networks will still be here, but there will also be a ton of new video content.</p>
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