Comments on: ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:52:41 -0800 hourly 1 By: sinema izle http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-2759697 sinema izle Thu, 21 May 2009 17:04:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-2759697 nice thx :) nice thx :)

]]> By: DeWayne(FilmFreak) http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-1120932 DeWayne(FilmFreak) Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:01:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-1120932 Finding a good movie downloading site is like stapling Bologna to your face and sticking it in a bowl of PIRANHAS! Movielink is a winner... Techology will catch up in 1000 years... hopefully sooner!!! I have a HUGE list of video and movie sites at the Matrix. Many of which some may be unfamiliar with... or maybe not... Rock on! DeWayne(FilmFreak) http://www.MovieDownloadMatrix.com Watch Movies Now! Finding a good movie downloading site is like stapling Bologna to your face and sticking it in a bowl of PIRANHAS! Movielink is a winner… Techology will catch up in 1000 years… hopefully sooner!!!

I have a HUGE list of video and movie sites at the Matrix. Many of which some may be unfamiliar with… or maybe not… Rock on!

DeWayne(FilmFreak)
http://www.Movi...nloadMatrix.com
Watch Movies Now!

]]> By: Innovation Wings » Neues Geschäftsmodell für Film-Downloads http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-661541 Innovation Wings » Neues Geschäftsmodell für Film-Downloads Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:06:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-661541 [...] Weniger optimistisch ist TechCrunch: Nach deren Beurteilung haben Portale wie Reeltime.tv keine Chance mit DRM-Mechanismen, solange Bittorrent-Alternativen verfügbar sind. [...] [...] Weniger optimistisch ist TechCrunch: Nach deren Beurteilung haben Portale wie Reeltime.tv keine Chance mit DRM-Mechanismen, solange Bittorrent-Alternativen verfügbar sind. [...]

]]> By: Movie Maven http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-560692 Movie Maven Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:26:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-560692 I've been using EZTakes (www.eztakes.com) for a few months now. While they don't have the most recent blockbusters and the site is a bit plain looking, but they do have some good indies and other hard-to-find titles. That's good for me since I can get the latest blockbusters anywhere. EZTakes lets me burn DVDs and even backup DVDs -- And why the heck shouldn't I be able to burn backup DVDs of stuff I PAID FOR? Google/Amazon and the rest can learn a lot from these guys. I’ve been using EZTakes (www.eztakes.com) for a few months now. While they don’t have the most recent blockbusters and the site is a bit plain looking, but they do have some good indies and other hard-to-find titles. That’s good for me since I can get the latest blockbusters anywhere.

EZTakes lets me burn DVDs and even backup DVDs — And why the heck shouldn’t I be able to burn backup DVDs of stuff I PAID FOR? Google/Amazon and the rest can learn a lot from these guys.

]]> By: Best TiVo Blogs » From PVR Wire - ReelTime.tv download to own movies with 3 files for different uses http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-490783 Best TiVo Blogs » From PVR Wire - ReelTime.tv download to own movies with 3 files for different uses Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:38:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-490783 [...] Read | Permalink | Email this | Linking Blogs | Comments [...] [...] Read | Permalink | Email this | Linking Blogs | Comments [...]

]]> By: Yellek http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-451274 Yellek Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:04:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-451274 Welcome to the rest of the world. How many times have I heard about a cool new site in the movie space only to find that it is US only with no way to even contact the company to ask for an Australian version. The iTunes Music Store was well over a year late in coming to Australia. Because of the smaller market size those of us down under have to be used to dealing with lower tech higher priced options when there really should be no barriers to delivering content worldwide. Blame the studios for trying to artificially restrict content based on geography Welcome to the rest of the world. How many times have I heard about a cool new site in the movie space only to find that it is US only with no way to even contact the company to ask for an Australian version. The iTunes Music Store was well over a year late in coming to Australia.

Because of the smaller market size those of us down under have to be used to dealing with lower tech higher priced options when there really should be no barriers to delivering content worldwide. Blame the studios for trying to artificially restrict content based on geography

]]> By: Pramit Singh http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-448517 Pramit Singh Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:34:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-448517 I agree. This service will fail. Why can't think up a model where the user retains all the rights - to do whatever he thinks with his buy. A service which is profitable? I agree. This service will fail. Why can’t think up a model where the user retains all the rights – to do whatever he thinks with his buy. A service which is profitable?

]]> By: ReelTime is a dog at positionrelative.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-447694 ReelTime is a dog at positionrelative.com Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:01:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-447694 [...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model [...] [...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model [...]

]]> By: Jason M. Lemkin http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-445780 Jason M. Lemkin Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:02:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-445780 The studios are lucky download rates are still relatively slow in the U.S. They put $100m in Movielink just to, in the end, make a painful site almost no one uses. Perhaps not so nutty when you look at the billions in profits they've made off DVDs since Movielink launched. When fast broadband is ubiqitous enough that anyone can download a 640x480 movie in a few or 20 minutes, it will be game over, but until then the studios have every incentive to protect the DVD gravy train as long as possible. The studios are lucky download rates are still relatively slow in the U.S. They put $100m in Movielink just to, in the end, make a painful site almost no one uses. Perhaps not so nutty when you look at the billions in profits they’ve made off DVDs since Movielink launched. When fast broadband is ubiqitous enough that anyone can download a 640×480 movie in a few or 20 minutes, it will be game over, but until then the studios have every incentive to protect the DVD gravy train as long as possible.

]]> By: Matt http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-445765 Matt Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:50:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-445765 Michael - You hit the nail on the head... The problem with all these 'me-too' download services is that they are hitching onto an entertainment ecosystem that isn't ready to go through the pain and overhaul needed to engage with digital-age video/film. There needs to be more people innovating with the content and process, further up the content creation chain. The project I'm developing with a subscriber community to do this is http://www.aswarmofangels.com/ -- a more participative film model creating the missing link between 'top-down' Hollywood, and 'bottom up' user-generated content. Michael – You hit the nail on the head…

The problem with all these ‘me-too’ download services is that they are hitching onto an entertainment ecosystem that isn’t ready to go through the pain and overhaul needed to engage with digital-age video/film.

There needs to be more people innovating with the content and process, further up the content creation chain. The project I’m developing with a subscriber community to do this is http://www.aswarmofangels.com/ — a more participative film model creating the missing link between ‘top-down’ Hollywood, and ‘bottom up’ user-generated content.

]]> By: download to burn - oz start-up « StewMcT ramblings http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-445310 download to burn - oz start-up « StewMcT ramblings Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:04:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-445310 [...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model [...] [...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model [...]

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Boo.com、2007年に復活…かも？ http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-445146 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Boo.com、2007年に復活…かも？ Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:16:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-445146 [...] [原文へ] Boo.com [...] [...] [原文へ] Boo.com [...]

]]> By: Michael Arrington http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444690 Michael Arrington Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:35:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444690 Erik - The problem isn't with the business models or the companies - it's with the studios who demand the high prices and DRM. I give the studios some credit for at least experimenting with online distribution - something the music guys failed to do until too late. But it's clear from their pricing strategies that they are just experimenting to see what consumers may be able to stomach. That's ok for consumers because they can continue to rip their own DVDs and use bittorent. but companies that are willing to spend their time and venture dollars screwing around while the studios figure out what they are doing aren't going to be successful. Steve - anonymous - trust me, it isn't arrogance. there are way too many people who tell me how much of a dick I am every single day for me to even begin to get arrogant. Erik – The problem isn’t with the business models or the companies – it’s with the studios who demand the high prices and DRM. I give the studios some credit for at least experimenting with online distribution – something the music guys failed to do until too late. But it’s clear from their pricing strategies that they are just experimenting to see what consumers may be able to stomach. That’s ok for consumers because they can continue to rip their own DVDs and use bittorent. but companies that are willing to spend their time and venture dollars screwing around while the studios figure out what they are doing aren’t going to be successful.

Steve – anonymous – trust me, it isn’t arrogance. there are way too many people who tell me how much of a dick I am every single day for me to even begin to get arrogant.

]]> By: IndianBytes.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444346 IndianBytes.com Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:13:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444346 <strong>ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model...</strong> posted at IndianBytes.c... ReelTime To Launch The Next Failed Movie Model…

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]]> By: neotechie http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444286 neotechie Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:00:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444286 They should offer a free trial period first. They should offer a free trial period first.

]]> By: David Mackey http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444055 David Mackey Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:39:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444055 I think movie download services need to send the DVD in the mail. We want instant gratification, but we also want long-term items which we can keep or share. I think movie download services need to send the DVD in the mail. We want instant gratification, but we also want long-term items which we can keep or share.

]]> By: Stan http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444026 Stan Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:28:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444026 above post from: http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ - by the way above post from: http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ – by the way

]]> By: Stan http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-444024 Stan Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:27:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-444024 ReelTime says it has also teamed up with more than a hundred ISPs including Netspace, People Telecom and Westnet to offer unmetered downloads of its movies. It has also peered with PIPE Networks and WAIX. ReelTime hopes to have around 100 titles in its catalogue by early 2007 from $14.98 and new releases debuting at the not so appealing price of $33.99. ReelTime says it has also teamed up with more than a hundred ISPs including Netspace, People Telecom and Westnet to offer unmetered downloads of its movies. It has also peered with PIPE Networks and WAIX.

ReelTime hopes to have around 100 titles in its catalogue by early 2007 from $14.98 and new releases debuting at the not so appealing price of $33.99.

]]> By: Myles Eftos http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443772 Myles Eftos Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:12:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443772 Barring the flawed business model - the User Interface is flawed. I was intrigued, so I thought I would give it a go. I searched for a movie that I would like to watch and clicked the "Watch!" button, it took me to a page that didn't do anything. Then I realised I needed to load it in IE, not Firefox (Strike 1) I load IE7 which was capturing the flash detection popup (Are you kidding!?) and stopping it from loading. So I turned off popups temporarily. (Strike 2) Finally I get in to the flash interface, which has forgotten my movie selection. (Strike 3 - not out yet, let's see how far it will go). I search for it, and then hit "Rent me" Not logged in. Right, I register, then login, and it takes me back to the blank screen sans my movie selection! (Strike 4) Search and find it again, hit "Rent me", enter my CC details. Get informed that I have to install a number of pieces of software to manage the download. (This is getting ridiculous - Strike 5) Install them (I've gotten this far) - and finally, successfully enter my CC details and then - nothing. Apparently the movie I wanted "Isn't available". (Strike 6) I'm a web developer by trade, how is a ma and pa suppose to do this?!? Barring the flawed business model – the User Interface is flawed.

I was intrigued, so I thought I would give it a go.

I searched for a movie that I would like to watch and clicked the “Watch!” button, it took me to a page that didn’t do anything. Then I realised I needed to load it in IE, not Firefox (Strike 1)

I load IE7 which was capturing the flash detection popup (Are you kidding!?) and stopping it from loading. So I turned off popups temporarily. (Strike 2)

Finally I get in to the flash interface, which has forgotten my movie selection. (Strike 3 – not out yet, let’s see how far it will go). I search for it, and then hit “Rent me”

Not logged in. Right, I register, then login, and it takes me back to the blank screen sans my movie selection! (Strike 4)

Search and find it again, hit “Rent me”, enter my CC details. Get informed that I have to install a number of pieces of software to manage the download. (This is getting ridiculous – Strike 5)

Install them (I’ve gotten this far) – and finally, successfully enter my CC details and then – nothing. Apparently the movie I wanted “Isn’t available”. (Strike 6)

I’m a web developer by trade, how is a ma and pa suppose to do this?!?

]]> By: Chris D http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443436 Chris D Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:52:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443436 With regards to pricing sensitivities: I wonder if Guba.com's "subsidized" pricing on video downloads has gotten any real traction with end-users. They take a loss on every purchase to drum up demand, so I'd be curious to hear whether they have been able to get more people to actually download paid content. With regards to pricing sensitivities: I wonder if Guba.com’s “subsidized” pricing on video downloads has gotten any real traction with end-users. They take a loss on every purchase to drum up demand, so I’d be curious to hear whether they have been able to get more people to actually download paid content.

]]> By: painful truth http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443189 painful truth Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:09:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443189 Steve, Michael is not being arrogant, he's in fact politely trying to point out some painful truth. If you bother to click over to the reeltime.tv site, you'll notice that "adult content" will be made available soon. They even prepare you for it by stating in the "FAQ" section that they'll provide some "lock-out" functions for parents to prevent their children from accessing it. I'm just dumbfounded that the legal department at Universal did not spot the potential liabilities as a result of this partnership. Imagine the following scenario: Mom: "Why are you hogging the broadband?" Teenager: "I'm downloading a movie from reeltime.tv. They're a legitimate site. They have a partnership with Universal, you know, the big movie studio." Mom: "What movie are you downloading?" Teenager: "'King Dong', I mean, uh, 'King Kong'." Who knows? reeltime.tv could prove Michael wrong by becoming a successful provider of "adult content" (an euphemistic term for "porn", unless you were born yesterday). Steve,

Michael is not being arrogant, he’s in fact politely trying to point out some painful truth.

If you bother to click over to the reeltime.tv site, you’ll notice that “adult content” will be made available soon. They even prepare you for it by stating in the “FAQ” section that they’ll provide some “lock-out” functions for parents to prevent their children from accessing it.

I’m just dumbfounded that the legal department at Universal did not spot the potential liabilities as a result of this partnership. Imagine the following scenario:

Mom: “Why are you hogging the broadband?”
Teenager: “I’m downloading a movie from reeltime.tv. They’re a legitimate site. They have a partnership with Universal, you know, the big movie studio.”
Mom: “What movie are you downloading?”
Teenager: “‘King Dong’, I mean, uh, ‘King Kong’.”

Who knows? reeltime.tv could prove Michael wrong by becoming a successful provider of “adult content” (an euphemistic term for “porn”, unless you were born yesterday).

]]> By: Erik Herz http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443176 Erik Herz Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:00:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443176 Michael, Please offer us some details on what you would find to be a successful movie download business. What price would you pay for a legal copy of a movie? Do you want to own it or just rent it? Must the service work on both a PC and a MAC? How about Linux? Do you accept the use of any form of DRM? Which? Why? Do you really want a DVD or are you happy with the very simple A/V playout from a Portable Media Device? Do you like Bittorrent because the stuff is free or do you also p2p's increased download speeds? Lots of folks are trying to create a business model and pick the right set of features to meet the demands of those who are seeking legal movie downloads. Help us out with some details about what you would endorse. Michael,

Please offer us some details on what you would find to be a successful movie download business. What price would you pay for a legal copy of a movie? Do you want to own it or just rent it? Must the service work on both a PC and a MAC? How about Linux? Do you accept the use of any form of DRM? Which? Why? Do you really want a DVD or are you happy with the very simple A/V playout from a Portable Media Device? Do you like Bittorrent because the stuff is free or do you also p2p’s increased download speeds? Lots of folks are trying to create a business model and pick the right set of features to meet the demands of those who are seeking legal movie downloads. Help us out with some details about what you would endorse.

]]> By: Bob Jones http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443169 Bob Jones Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:57:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443169 Why can they not make a cost-effective way to get 1 file? Look, I watch a movie once ... thats idea of buy-to-rent, I don't need 3 damn formats. Maybe pay less for Portable Media as the resolution sucks, more for PC and a premium for DVD-burning (although, I'd rather just buy a full DVD). Why can they not make a cost-effective way to get 1 file? Look, I watch a movie once … thats idea of buy-to-rent, I don’t need 3 damn formats. Maybe pay less for Portable Media as the resolution sucks, more for PC and a premium for DVD-burning (although, I’d rather just buy a full DVD).

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443164 Nemrut Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:54:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443164 "..most popular form of movie consumption .." clarification...the most popular form of downloaded movie consumption. “..most popular form of movie consumption ..”

clarification…the most popular form of downloaded movie consumption.

]]> By: Nemrut http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/comment-page-1/#comment-443159 Nemrut Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:52:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/25/reeltime-to-launch-the-next-failed-movie-model/#comment-443159 I dont understand why people want or need to burn to dvd. Presumably, if downloading a movie, you're most likely to view it your PC or laptop(which can easily connected to flat panel tvs). Furthermore,I think very few have the time, patience nor wherewithal to then transfer that movie to their ipod or mobile device. As the original story mentioned, Bittorrent is, and will continue to be, the most popular form of movie consumption until the studios get their collective heads out... I dont understand why people want or need to burn to dvd. Presumably, if downloading a movie, you’re most likely to view it your PC or laptop(which can easily connected to flat panel tvs).

Furthermore,I think very few have the time, patience nor wherewithal to then transfer that movie to their ipod or mobile device.

As the original story mentioned, Bittorrent is, and will continue to be, the most popular form of movie consumption until the studios get their collective heads out…

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