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	<title>Comments on: On Universal Music Group&#8217;s Zune Tax</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-688072</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, and my supermodel girlfriend, stumbled over this really ugly brown thing called a zune while we were buying the kids that live in the next apartment Christmas presents.  The sales person saw us laughing and thought that we were, perhaps, pleased with something we&#039;d found in the dreariest corner of the gadget shop.  


We explained that we were laughing at the idea of displaying a donkey turd.  We thought it was funny to put a fake scroll wheel on a turd.  It was more funny to put the turd in a display cabinet.  The sales person apologized and said that he was sorry he couldn&#039;t tell us much about the turd.  Apparently his boss had been really embarrassed when the turds had turned up.  She&#039;d told all the sales people to forget about the turds and get on with selling the things that kept the store going.  Like iPods.  

We liked the turd so much that we bought three of them (the total stock of the store) and took them home with us. The store manger was so thankful that we&#039;d taken the smelly turds out of her shop that she shed tears as we held our stinky shopping bag at arms length and left the shop.

The neighbors&#039; kids really loved the nanos that Sarah and I gave them. 

On new year&#039;s eve we partied with good friends and at sometime after midnight we remembered our funny plastic turds and showed them about.  Everyone laughed like we&#039;d done when we&#039;d first seen them.  Soon everyone realized that these things were trying to look like music players so we stacked the three of them up and (after stoking the iPod fed music system with some Jimmy Hendrix) torched the dirty little cheap plastic turds.  

As they burnt on their own little bonfire we all danced around them like Jimmy - knowing that they were not going to the same place ... and therefore could not offend him.  At daybreak, with the iPod still pumping we looked at the filthy melted pile of cheap plastic and finally realized we&#039;d done something magical... something important.  We&#039;d come-up with zune 2.0 way before microsoftcock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, and my supermodel girlfriend, stumbled over this really ugly brown thing called a zune while we were buying the kids that live in the next apartment Christmas presents.  The sales person saw us laughing and thought that we were, perhaps, pleased with something we&#8217;d found in the dreariest corner of the gadget shop.  </p>
<p>We explained that we were laughing at the idea of displaying a donkey turd.  We thought it was funny to put a fake scroll wheel on a turd.  It was more funny to put the turd in a display cabinet.  The sales person apologized and said that he was sorry he couldn&#8217;t tell us much about the turd.  Apparently his boss had been really embarrassed when the turds had turned up.  She&#8217;d told all the sales people to forget about the turds and get on with selling the things that kept the store going.  Like iPods.  </p>
<p>We liked the turd so much that we bought three of them (the total stock of the store) and took them home with us. The store manger was so thankful that we&#8217;d taken the smelly turds out of her shop that she shed tears as we held our stinky shopping bag at arms length and left the shop.</p>
<p>The neighbors&#8217; kids really loved the nanos that Sarah and I gave them. </p>
<p>On new year&#8217;s eve we partied with good friends and at sometime after midnight we remembered our funny plastic turds and showed them about.  Everyone laughed like we&#8217;d done when we&#8217;d first seen them.  Soon everyone realized that these things were trying to look like music players so we stacked the three of them up and (after stoking the iPod fed music system with some Jimmy Hendrix) torched the dirty little cheap plastic turds.  </p>
<p>As they burnt on their own little bonfire we all danced around them like Jimmy &#8211; knowing that they were not going to the same place &#8230; and therefore could not offend him.  At daybreak, with the iPod still pumping we looked at the filthy melted pile of cheap plastic and finally realized we&#8217;d done something magical&#8230; something important.  We&#8217;d come-up with zune 2.0 way before microsoftcock!</p>
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		<title>By: 17 dots &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007: The Year of Digital Music</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-654698</link>
		<dc:creator>17 dots &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007: The Year of Digital Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2006 was a breakout year for the digital music industry. And 2007 promises to be even better. Two major trends surfaced in the past year that will no doubt shape the industry&#8217;s slowly maturing landscape and heat up competition in the year(s) to come.  DRM Last year, consumers finally made enough noise about DRM that the major labels can no longer continue to ignore the mess they&#8217;ve created and perhaps, just perhaps, start thinking of their customers as just that, customers, instead of resorting to the prevailing assumption that they are thieves. I mean, heck, even Bill Gates gets it, and he, of all people, understands the power and allure of a monopoly. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s the Zune tax being levied on Microsoft by Universal that led him to his point of view, but I digress. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2006 was a breakout year for the digital music industry. And 2007 promises to be even better. Two major trends surfaced in the past year that will no doubt shape the industry&#8217;s slowly maturing landscape and heat up competition in the year(s) to come.  DRM Last year, consumers finally made enough noise about DRM that the major labels can no longer continue to ignore the mess they&#8217;ve created and perhaps, just perhaps, start thinking of their customers as just that, customers, instead of resorting to the prevailing assumption that they are thieves. I mean, heck, even Bill Gates gets it, and he, of all people, understands the power and allure of a monopoly. I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s the Zune tax being levied on Microsoft by Universal that led him to his point of view, but I digress. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OpenMinded &#187; Podcasting on the Zune</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-627459</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenMinded &#187; Podcasting on the Zune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 01:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Podcasting is often user generated content, as compared to label generated content. The record labels have convinced Microsoft, led Steve Balmer who said &#8220;the most popular format of music on an iPod is stolen,&#8221; to prepay a pirated music theft tax for each Zune out there.  I would almost not purchase a Zune for this reason.  With this much contempt for paying customers, it is not surprising that they would not want the rabble to have a voice too. Podcasting, even a podcast that does not point out the sheer greed of the recording industry, is still wild and uncontrollable and difficult to charge for. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Podcasting is often user generated content, as compared to label generated content. The record labels have convinced Microsoft, led Steve Balmer who said &#8220;the most popular format of music on an iPod is stolen,&#8221; to prepay a pirated music theft tax for each Zune out there.  I would almost not purchase a Zune for this reason.  With this much contempt for paying customers, it is not surprising that they would not want the rabble to have a voice too. Podcasting, even a podcast that does not point out the sheer greed of the recording industry, is still wild and uncontrollable and difficult to charge for. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-612403</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew/Christophe: where do you get the idea that artists must be paid to create? &quot;Empty musical choices&quot;?? Thanks to the internet the number of bands and tunes accessible to the average person has increased a millionfold. Those with artistic talent have always created, relying for their income on *performing*. The relatively recent concept of &quot;intellectual property&quot; has twisted expectations, so that people expect to be able to live forver off the income from a song that took them a day to write and a week to record. Just because we have a perverse system that has actually allowed a few people to do this doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the right system. 

The Zune tax is short-sighted of both Universal and Microsoft. It entrenches positions in the IP war, and the &quot;rights holders&quot; can only lose. Consumers will always win, because we have the money. 

One day not too far from now, when the RIAA&#039;s death-rattle ends, artists will revert to the medaieval model of earning a decent living from performances (be they actual performers or directors/producers/songwriters etc.). Instead of touring to try and persuade people to buy CDs, they will give away MP3s to try and persuade people to see them live. 

CC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew/Christophe: where do you get the idea that artists must be paid to create? &#8220;Empty musical choices&#8221;?? Thanks to the internet the number of bands and tunes accessible to the average person has increased a millionfold. Those with artistic talent have always created, relying for their income on *performing*. The relatively recent concept of &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; has twisted expectations, so that people expect to be able to live forver off the income from a song that took them a day to write and a week to record. Just because we have a perverse system that has actually allowed a few people to do this doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the right system. </p>
<p>The Zune tax is short-sighted of both Universal and Microsoft. It entrenches positions in the IP war, and the &#8220;rights holders&#8221; can only lose. Consumers will always win, because we have the money. </p>
<p>One day not too far from now, when the RIAA&#8217;s death-rattle ends, artists will revert to the medaieval model of earning a decent living from performances (be they actual performers or directors/producers/songwriters etc.). Instead of touring to try and persuade people to buy CDs, they will give away MP3s to try and persuade people to see them live. </p>
<p>CC</p>
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		<title>By: truth-taler</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-546837</link>
		<dc:creator>truth-taler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s&#039;true too true ... in the same way the car industry has been forced to charge extra for its cars (due to the fact they are often used in the commission of crimes like drunk driving), Apple should be forced to pay up for the possible illegal music installed on its &#039;pods.

It TOTALLY makes sense! And it certainly is nothing to get upset about. Bobby&#039;s track meet should not have a sound track anyway.  The problem is people are just too saturated with media crap: reject the iLife style and GET A LIFE PEOPLE.  Listen to the birds (the one&#039;s with feathers not the band) while you jog and dump those iPods in the trash. Smash your TVs and your iPods.

I&#039;d especially like the arms industry to pre-pay an anti-crime tax: for every gun legally sold the manufacturer should have to pay a 100% tax into a fund to compensate victims of gun crimes.  Bush is totally anti-terror so MAYBE he will pass a law like that before he leaves office so as to prevent needless death and destruction BEFORE it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s&#8217;true too true &#8230; in the same way the car industry has been forced to charge extra for its cars (due to the fact they are often used in the commission of crimes like drunk driving), Apple should be forced to pay up for the possible illegal music installed on its &#8216;pods.</p>
<p>It TOTALLY makes sense! And it certainly is nothing to get upset about. Bobby&#8217;s track meet should not have a sound track anyway.  The problem is people are just too saturated with media crap: reject the iLife style and GET A LIFE PEOPLE.  Listen to the birds (the one&#8217;s with feathers not the band) while you jog and dump those iPods in the trash. Smash your TVs and your iPods.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d especially like the arms industry to pre-pay an anti-crime tax: for every gun legally sold the manufacturer should have to pay a 100% tax into a fund to compensate victims of gun crimes.  Bush is totally anti-terror so MAYBE he will pass a law like that before he leaves office so as to prevent needless death and destruction BEFORE it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill T</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-519484</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...another lovely business model brought on by Universal.  The Video sharing site, Grouper.com is now employing Audible Magic --  an application that scans every upload&#039;s audio track for a matching waveform from one of the songs in its jurisdiction.  Get a match and the upload fails. That means home made video clips of bobby&#039;s track meet with an AC/DC song as its soundtrack from the CD YOU BOUGHT will be considered  an intellectual copyright violation and will be removed.  These guys just keep thinking of new ways to attack their artists loyal fans.   sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;another lovely business model brought on by Universal.  The Video sharing site, Grouper.com is now employing Audible Magic &#8212;  an application that scans every upload&#8217;s audio track for a matching waveform from one of the songs in its jurisdiction.  Get a match and the upload fails. That means home made video clips of bobby&#8217;s track meet with an AC/DC song as its soundtrack from the CD YOU BOUGHT will be considered  an intellectual copyright violation and will be removed.  These guys just keep thinking of new ways to attack their artists loyal fans.   sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: hani</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-433569</link>
		<dc:creator>hani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hwe5yeru</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-11-11 at spinme.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-392261</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-11-11 at spinme.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch » On Universal Music Group’s Zune Tax (tags: zune Microsoft musicbusiness) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Rohrbach</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-374071</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Rohrbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;some sort of new business model for music,&quot; there&#039;s Weed (http://weedshare.com/), a truly visionary idea that is presently hamstrung by the infeasibility of an iPod-compatible implementation.  If Zune played well with Weed (it presently is incompatible with Microsoft&#039;s existing DRM, upon which Weed relies), that could change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;some sort of new business model for music,&#8221; there&#8217;s Weed (<a href="http://weedshare.com/)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://weedshare.com/'>http://weedshare.com/</a>), a truly visionary idea that is presently hamstrung by the infeasibility of an iPod-compatible implementation.  If Zune played well with Weed (it presently is incompatible with Microsoft&#8217;s existing DRM, upon which Weed relies), that could change.</p>
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		<title>By: LKM</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-366476</link>
		<dc:creator>LKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I don’t think it’s a big deal.

You think having to pay for something you either don&#039;t use or have already paid for is not a big deal? I think &quot;fuck this.&quot; I&#039;m not going to pay for a music device if that money is going towards the major labels. I don&#039;t want to listen to their music, and I don&#039;t want to give them money to produce more of that music and to sue their consumers.

I only listen to artists who are:
1) on independent labels
2) selling their music on the internet
3) giving their music away

Besides, Microsoft knows that they won&#039;t sell a lot of Zunes in the coming years. This whole thing has one aim, and one aim only: To force worse conditions on Apple. Now the labels can go to Apple and demand similar conditions, and since Apple sells a huge amount of iPods (compared to Microsoft&#039;s non-existent amount of Zunes), this will hurt Apple.

So screw Microsoft and screw the majors. I&#039;ll never buy into something like this, and I hope others won&#039;t, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I don’t think it’s a big deal.</p>
<p>You think having to pay for something you either don&#8217;t use or have already paid for is not a big deal? I think &#8220;fuck this.&#8221; I&#8217;m not going to pay for a music device if that money is going towards the major labels. I don&#8217;t want to listen to their music, and I don&#8217;t want to give them money to produce more of that music and to sue their consumers.</p>
<p>I only listen to artists who are:<br />
1) on independent labels<br />
2) selling their music on the internet<br />
3) giving their music away</p>
<p>Besides, Microsoft knows that they won&#8217;t sell a lot of Zunes in the coming years. This whole thing has one aim, and one aim only: To force worse conditions on Apple. Now the labels can go to Apple and demand similar conditions, and since Apple sells a huge amount of iPods (compared to Microsoft&#8217;s non-existent amount of Zunes), this will hurt Apple.</p>
<p>So screw Microsoft and screw the majors. I&#8217;ll never buy into something like this, and I hope others won&#8217;t, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-366198</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,  You are right on the money.   I am a musician with 10 albums out and three are with major labels.  I have never seen a penny in royalties even after selling 50,000 copies of any one.  The only income I receive from recordings is from Ascap who manages to track the performance plays around the world. If it wasnt for them, we&#039;d be getting nothing.  Oh -- and Kufala.com -  I have an album out with them and they give 50% off the top of each album sold to the artist-  they have a decent model but the majors are still stuck with their heads in the sand (or elsewhere)  - we have to remember this is a YOung industry - most of the guys who founded the industry are still around - time for a change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,  You are right on the money.   I am a musician with 10 albums out and three are with major labels.  I have never seen a penny in royalties even after selling 50,000 copies of any one.  The only income I receive from recordings is from Ascap who manages to track the performance plays around the world. If it wasnt for them, we&#8217;d be getting nothing.  Oh &#8212; and Kufala.com &#8211;  I have an album out with them and they give 50% off the top of each album sold to the artist-  they have a decent model but the majors are still stuck with their heads in the sand (or elsewhere)  &#8211; we have to remember this is a YOung industry &#8211; most of the guys who founded the industry are still around &#8211; time for a change!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-366167</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has to pay for artists to make music. Every since MP3&#039;s hit the world, look at the crap that is pushed out by the labels--Think its a coincidence? Scratch your chin for a while and think about it. Watching ads for free music is a great idea; (if the artist is directly paid; NOT through their label) and TechCrunch is a 1000 miles off on that one.

The whole music label system needs to updated... Period.
Artists must be paid for great music to be made in the new world economy of free.
It may have never been cheap to be an artist, but try having a thriving life filled with fun, friends, hanging out and doing simple things that don&#039;t cost you a mint--All those great things that make making great art great art.

Right now everyone freeloading has given us a world of empty musical choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has to pay for artists to make music. Every since MP3&#8217;s hit the world, look at the crap that is pushed out by the labels&#8211;Think its a coincidence? Scratch your chin for a while and think about it. Watching ads for free music is a great idea; (if the artist is directly paid; NOT through their label) and TechCrunch is a 1000 miles off on that one.</p>
<p>The whole music label system needs to updated&#8230; Period.<br />
Artists must be paid for great music to be made in the new world economy of free.<br />
It may have never been cheap to be an artist, but try having a thriving life filled with fun, friends, hanging out and doing simple things that don&#8217;t cost you a mint&#8211;All those great things that make making great art great art.</p>
<p>Right now everyone freeloading has given us a world of empty musical choices.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-365633</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of an ipod tax always struck me as lunacy as it would legitimise the behaviour it was supposed to supress - piracy.  Dumbly perhaps I have not a single stolen note on my ipod but I might have thought again had some over-zealous legislator have hit me up for a few pounds on purchase . . &quot;I paid my money now i want my stolen tunes&quot;.  As a European, why do I suspect that the countries looking at such a thing were pretty close to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of an ipod tax always struck me as lunacy as it would legitimise the behaviour it was supposed to supress &#8211; piracy.  Dumbly perhaps I have not a single stolen note on my ipod but I might have thought again had some over-zealous legislator have hit me up for a few pounds on purchase . . &#8220;I paid my money now i want my stolen tunes&#8221;.  As a European, why do I suspect that the countries looking at such a thing were pretty close to me?</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; NightBurps: Microsoft&#8217;s Pound of Flesh, Spanish Splogs, A Sucker&#8217;s Bet and VC&#8217;s Kvetching</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-364415</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; NightBurps: Microsoft&#8217;s Pound of Flesh, Spanish Splogs, A Sucker&#8217;s Bet and VC&#8217;s Kvetching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Universal Extracts Pound of Flesh from Gates: Microsoft is not only allowing Universal to grab a share of each piece of music people pay for, but is also giving them a share of the Zune pie &#8212; a dollar out of every Zune they sell.  Considering that margins are probably razor thin, it means Microsoft is giving up a helluva lot to entice music companies to play with them.  And I&#8217;m with Om Malik on this one (and I paraphrase) : Universal&#8217;s reasons for this are outrageous &#8212; and if you can&#8217;t sell enough to come up with enough juice to sell an extra song per device, then there&#8217;s something wrong with your ability to perform as a company (I said paraphrase!) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Universal Extracts Pound of Flesh from Gates: Microsoft is not only allowing Universal to grab a share of each piece of music people pay for, but is also giving them a share of the Zune pie &#8212; a dollar out of every Zune they sell.  Considering that margins are probably razor thin, it means Microsoft is giving up a helluva lot to entice music companies to play with them.  And I&#8217;m with Om Malik on this one (and I paraphrase) : Universal&#8217;s reasons for this are outrageous &#8212; and if you can&#8217;t sell enough to come up with enough juice to sell an extra song per device, then there&#8217;s something wrong with your ability to perform as a company (I said paraphrase!) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Friedly</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-364064</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Friedly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting thought that I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve heard anyone else mention:

Say a person does buy a zune and pay the extra dollar or whatever to the universal. This dollar is paid based on the assumption that the user will be obtaining universal&#039;s music; so does the user therefore have a right to obtain some universal music without paying for it (again)? 

Along these kines, accusing anyone who has bought a zune of stealing universal&#039;s music would be akin to double jeopardy, wouldn&#039;t it?

Just my $0.02 ..or perhaps my $1.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting thought that I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve heard anyone else mention:</p>
<p>Say a person does buy a zune and pay the extra dollar or whatever to the universal. This dollar is paid based on the assumption that the user will be obtaining universal&#8217;s music; so does the user therefore have a right to obtain some universal music without paying for it (again)? </p>
<p>Along these kines, accusing anyone who has bought a zune of stealing universal&#8217;s music would be akin to double jeopardy, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Just my $0.02 ..or perhaps my $1.00</p>
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		<title>By: Ranjit Mathoda</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-363821</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjit Mathoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this deal is a clever piece of judo by Microsoft.  They become more friendly to the record companies than Apple currently is, and they cause the record companies to seek the same deal from Apple.  Which hurts Apple much more than it hurts Microsoft, because it aims more directly at Apple&#039;s business model and business situation.  

Ranjit

See my post on the subject here: http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this deal is a clever piece of judo by Microsoft.  They become more friendly to the record companies than Apple currently is, and they cause the record companies to seek the same deal from Apple.  Which hurts Apple much more than it hurts Microsoft, because it aims more directly at Apple&#8217;s business model and business situation.  </p>
<p>Ranjit</p>
<p>See my post on the subject here: <a href="http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86'>http://www.math...com/archives/86</a></p>
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		<title>By: Digital Podcast - Digital Media Roundup &#187; Digital Podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-363390</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Podcast - Digital Media Roundup &#187; Digital Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My new CountryMan Mic Google getting sued Zune being taxed by Universal Music? 225 video sites  MySpace to break even in 2007 Sirius still losing money Archos 604 - wifi digital video device to check out Text message abuse - dump your guy via text message - way to go Britney  Listen Now: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My new CountryMan Mic Google getting sued Zune being taxed by Universal Music? 225 video sites  MySpace to break even in 2007 Sirius still losing money Archos 604 &#8211; wifi digital video device to check out Text message abuse &#8211; dump your guy via text message &#8211; way to go Britney  Listen Now: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-363323</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this a new &quot;business model.&quot;  The money I pay to Universal (via Microsoft) gets me nothing.  I get no access to their music, no credit for a song.  Nothing.  If I buy a Zune, Universal gets money and I get *NOTHING*  Last time that happened to me, the kid who stole my lunch money got sent to the principal&#039;s office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this a new &#8220;business model.&#8221;  The money I pay to Universal (via Microsoft) gets me nothing.  I get no access to their music, no credit for a song.  Nothing.  If I buy a Zune, Universal gets money and I get *NOTHING*  Last time that happened to me, the kid who stole my lunch money got sent to the principal&#8217;s office.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-363010</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you buy a Zune today and Universal kindly gives some money to their artists based on said purchase.  In a year you put music on your Zune from a new artist who wasn&#039;t around when you got your Zune.  They get nothing.  Is this fair?  Can you only play music from artists around before you got your Zune?  What if I never use my Zune for recording artists, only for myself.  Why should I give Universal anything?  How can I boycott Universal if they already have my mp3 player tax money?

What if they stop signing artists tomorrow and everyone they have leaves at the end of their contract?  Universal will still be getting money.  Universal gets money without doing anything for it.  

This is ghastly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you buy a Zune today and Universal kindly gives some money to their artists based on said purchase.  In a year you put music on your Zune from a new artist who wasn&#8217;t around when you got your Zune.  They get nothing.  Is this fair?  Can you only play music from artists around before you got your Zune?  What if I never use my Zune for recording artists, only for myself.  Why should I give Universal anything?  How can I boycott Universal if they already have my mp3 player tax money?</p>
<p>What if they stop signing artists tomorrow and everyone they have leaves at the end of their contract?  Universal will still be getting money.  Universal gets money without doing anything for it.  </p>
<p>This is ghastly.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Universal MusicグループのZune税に思う</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362994</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; Universal MusicグループのZune税に思う</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ZuneBar &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Universal Music Group’s Zune Tax</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362918</link>
		<dc:creator>ZuneBar &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Universal Music Group’s Zune Tax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source : TechCrunch ++++++++++ The New York Times reported late last night and the press release has just gone out about a deal between Universal Music Group and Microsoft concerning the Zune. Microsoft will pay Universal more than $1 for every $250 Zune that is sold. (Or is that $251?) Universal says half of the money will go to Universal artists. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source : TechCrunch ++++++++++ The New York Times reported late last night and the press release has just gone out about a deal between Universal Music Group and Microsoft concerning the Zune. Microsoft will pay Universal more than $1 for every $250 Zune that is sold. (Or is that $251?) Universal says half of the money will go to Universal artists. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: overcast</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362862</link>
		<dc:creator>overcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else feel that is the most half-assed logo , for a corporation this big.</description>
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		<title>By: John Koetsier</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362805</link>
		<dc:creator>John Koetsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a precendent and it is ridiculous.

More than that, it&#039;s dangerous. It&#039;s saying that people who own an MP3 player are theives and must pay in advance for sins they may or may not commit.

Check the language in the NY Times article: Geffen is very sure that people who own iPods are stealing from him. He&#039;s wrong in my case, and I don&#039;t plan to pay more for suspicion of misconduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a precendent and it is ridiculous.</p>
<p>More than that, it&#8217;s dangerous. It&#8217;s saying that people who own an MP3 player are theives and must pay in advance for sins they may or may not commit.</p>
<p>Check the language in the NY Times article: Geffen is very sure that people who own iPods are stealing from him. He&#8217;s wrong in my case, and I don&#8217;t plan to pay more for suspicion of misconduct.</p>
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		<title>By: David Berlind</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362755</link>
		<dc:creator>David Berlind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the other approach.  Let&#039;s assume that this is less about a tax and more about helping artists (which is how the press release positions it).  At approximately 50 cents per unit (that apparently goes to the artist), how many units must be sold to really make a material difference to the artists. Bear in mind we know nothing about how UMG or the other record labels (that Microsoft plans to do the same deal with) will decide how to divvy up the proceeds.  To all of their artists? Some? On a pro-rated basis connected to revenue production? I did some back of the envelope calculations on my blog (http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3919) along with a look at some other execution variables.  I agree with Marshall. This tastes great at first look, but in the end, for artists, it&#039;s less filling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the other approach.  Let&#8217;s assume that this is less about a tax and more about helping artists (which is how the press release positions it).  At approximately 50 cents per unit (that apparently goes to the artist), how many units must be sold to really make a material difference to the artists. Bear in mind we know nothing about how UMG or the other record labels (that Microsoft plans to do the same deal with) will decide how to divvy up the proceeds.  To all of their artists? Some? On a pro-rated basis connected to revenue production? I did some back of the envelope calculations on my blog (<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3919" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3919'>http://blogs.zd...com/BTL/?p=3919</a>) along with a look at some other execution variables.  I agree with Marshall. This tastes great at first look, but in the end, for artists, it&#8217;s less filling.</p>
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		<title>By: lemon obrien</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/11/09/on-universal-music-groups-zune-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-362675</link>
		<dc:creator>lemon obrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t &quot;Zune&quot; mean &quot;fuck!&quot; in hebrew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doesn&#8217;t &#8220;Zune&#8221; mean &#8220;fuck!&#8221; in hebrew?</p>
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