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By: NexGen Technology Blog » Bolt Joins The Deadpool

NexGen Technology Blog » Bolt Joins The Deadpool — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:48:45 +0000

[...] borrowed time since an acquisition by GoFish failed August 1. Bolt.com was sued by Universal Music in October 2006 and owes Universal $10 million from that suit; the funds from the GoFish acquisition were to have [...]

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By: Bolt Sells to GoFish to Pay Universal Music Settlement

Bolt Sells to GoFish to Pay Universal Music Settlement — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:57:08 +0000

[...] both Bolt and the already Sony acquired Grouper in October for hosting copyrighted music videos (our coverage). The next month, Universal sued MySpace, alleging that the practice of transcoding video [...]

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By: Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Grouper Just Says “No” To Kenny G

Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:15:56 +0000

[...] The Grouper blog post discussing the policy says music from Universal is being taken down starting immediately (see our coverage of the Universal lawsuit against Grouper). Grouper is using Audible Magic’s sniffing software to find the offending videos, and warned users of the change last month. [...]

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By: Mi otro blog… » Blog Archive » Siguiente articulo sobre vídeo

Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:36:27 +0000

[...] La explicación de la falta de demandas a YouTube por parte las majors, que si han demandado a otros servicios como Bolt.com, es que éstas también se beneficiaron de la venta de YouTube, ya que tanto Universal, como BMG y Warner Bros. poseen una participación en YouTube. [...]

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By: Universal Music Sues Video Services » WOW Technology Minute

Universal Music Sues Video Services » WOW Technology Minute — Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:40:03 +0000

[...] Universal Music files suit against Grouper, Bolt.com [...]

By: Hand Picked Links at Ministry of Tech

Hand Picked Links at Ministry of Tech — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:59:22 +0000

[...] Music files suit against Grouper, Bolt.com (TechCrunch) On the day of the Google/YouTube acquisition, YouTube announced a licensing deal with Universal Music. Apparently, Grouper anddidn’t get the memo. Universal Music has come out swinging in their first online video-related lawsuit against two of the lesser-known online video sharing websites, Bolt.com and Sony’s recentGrouper. 25 Worst Tech Products of All Time (PC World) Carphone Warehouse Nets AOL UK For £370m (Trusted Reviews) Space Elevators to heave themselves skyward (NewScientistSpace) Friendster gets#2 (GigaOm) YouTube nukes GreedTube? (Mashable!) ADDTO: [...]

By: Bitelia » Universal demanda a Grouper y Bolt

Bitelia » Universal demanda a Grouper y Bolt — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:55:20 +0000

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By: Techbits

Techbits — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:37:49 +0000

Ninguém vai processar o YouTube?…

A história que todos esperavam ver essa semana era alguma grande empresa de mídia processando o YouTube. Afinal, após sua compra pelo Google, deve haver dinheiro em caixa. Mas isso não aconteceu e parece que não acontecerá. Por outro lado, a Univ…

By: TechEffect

TechEffect — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:03:48 +0000

Two smaller video sites get hit with lawsuit…

What role will the content providers play in the shaping of the online video market? If today’s news about Universal Music’s lawsuits targeting Bolt.com and Grouper are any indication, the content providers want a piece of the action and they’ll sue…

By: VentureBeat » Finally, the video lawsuits come — prep for wider war?

VentureBeat » Finally, the video lawsuits come — prep for wider war? — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:07:30 +0000

[...] Grouper, in particular, is significant. Grouper users can download the videos to their computer, iPod, or PSP — and once they have a physical copy, they can view it and share it with whom they please (similar to the old Napster with music), Steve Poland points out. [...]

By: murat ozoral » Blog Arsivi » Universal Music, Grouper ve Bolt’a dava açtı

Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:05:40 +0000

[...] Universal Music önce YouTube’u dava açmak ile tehtit etti. Sonra Universal ile YouTube ortaklık yolunu seçtiler. Ve şimdi, bir hafta sonra Universal, Grouper ve Bolt‘a kullanıcılarının müzik videolarını yüklemelerine ve paylaşmalarına izin verdikleri için dava açıyor. Dava da her bir yayım hakkı ihlali için 150.000 dolar isteniyor. [...]

By: Chris D

Chris D — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:16:45 +0000

@Florian,

I understand your position, but I don’t agree with it. Are they giving back money to content owners when they take down material that they arleady received ad $$’s from? No.

Also, in the sale to Google(which is a *huge* liquidity event and will make lots of money for YouTube) will YouTube go through and remove all copyrighted content from it’s inventory before the sale is completed? Again, I don’t think so, and thus they will directly profit from this material. So the founder’s, employees, and investors will personally gain from ill-gotten goods.

In the end it doesn’t matter what you and I think, it ultimately comes down to 2 simple decisions that we don’t control and can only speculate upon.

a) Content Owners deciding whether they wish to enforce their rights since the now see others making money from their property
b) What the law says

Clearly, b) need clarification. Personally, I don’t think YouTube (and it’s ilk) falls under the Safe Harbour provisions of the DCMA, but I’m not a lawyer and not a supreme court justice. And neither is you. Given the large stakes now in the billions, I could easily see dozens of content owners joining resources ($$$, legal teams) to fight it out.

By: Florian Cervenka

Florian Cervenka — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:27:23 +0000

@chris
I bet they forbid copyright infringements by their TOS. So they are not actually trying to make revenue from the infringing files but from files that have been spread by the copyright holder. So this is clearly an abuse of the service in my opinion. If the shared files would be moderated it would be different.

About making revenue from the videos: I don’t think that bolt.com for instance is making direct revenue from the videos. They are not selling them. Rather they have an ad on the page that shows the video (along with other content).

I’m very interested in the outcome of this lawsuit. I think what is going to happen is that bolt.com for instance will be asked to give out the data of the users that have infringed the copyrights.

By: Chris D

Chris D — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:15:42 +0000

@Florian: Because they collect revenues against said videos. In YouTube’s case, they are taking a big fat buyout payday for inventory that contains a large number of copyrighted material. The DCMA is pretty clear about the liability of a company when their service is generating revenue from copyrighted material. In your statement “they have actual knowledge of ” is misleading, YouTube only takes down material at the request of others. This puts burdens on copyright holders to police 100’s of VideoSharing sites to look for their content.

I think this is going all the way to the top, i.e. Supreme Court, because there needs to be a clarification on the Safe Harbour Laws, as some think that it is being misapplied here.

By: Florian Cervenka

Florian Cervenka — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:28:23 +0000

I don’t understand why any of these services would be liable for the material that the users of that service have uploaded.
As long as they remove infringing files that they have actual knowledge of aren’t they safe?
Shouldn’t a law-suite be filed against the user that has uploaded a file/shared it?
The only reason that I can think of that the service can be made liable is that they have edited the files by converting them into flash-files.

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By: Lost Remote TV Blog

Lost Remote TV Blog — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:06:05 +0000

[...] First, Universal Music threatened to sue YouTube. Then, Universal teams up with YouTube. Now, a week later, Universal sues Grouper and Bolt for allowing users to upload and share music videos. The lawsuit asks for as much as $150,000 for each incident of copyright infringement. Yeah, right. [...]

By: Zimbra, Universal Music sues, Intel drops, 7 Minutes with Rex Dixon - after show notes! « Technically Speaking

Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:29:32 +0000

[...] Universal Music is now officially part of GoogleTube! suing Grouper and bolt.com. Should be a fun holiday season into the new year for all involved. Grouper was that site that Sony bought for a bargin price. I talked about them early this week in reference to the above article on TechCrunch of course. In anycase, more details are here. [...]