October 9, 2006

Ten Things I Wish IE 7 Was About to Deliver

Marshall Kirkpatrick

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Contrary to some reports, Internet Explorer 7 will probably not roll out automatically to Windows users in tomorrow’s Patch Tuesday update; it will come out some time after Thursday according to indications from the IE 7 team blog. One way or the other now seems like a good time to give it a look. There are some much needed improvements in the Beta version of IE. Most of those were appear inspired by smaller, more innovative browsers. More innovation leveraging the network effects of IE’s huge marketshare would be interesting instead of coming out with another browser that best serves individual users alone.

First I’ll provide an overview of the good news, followed by a list of the top 10 things I wish were included in IE 7 in order for me to get excited about it.

The Good News

IE 7 is much more pleasing to the eye than previous versions, by a long shot. There’s a screen shot at the very end of this post if you haven’t seen the Release Candidate 1 interface. There are parts of it that look a lot like Flock, in fact.

It supports tabbed browsing. Tabs are quite easy to work with and there’s a very nice option to view preview panes of all your tabs on one screen - great for dealing with tab overload.

You can subscribe to RSS feeds in the browser; OPML files can be imported and exported with ease. Full feeds can be viewed when published and you can administer the feed reader with some detail (auto download of enclosures and individually scheduled refreshes for example) but there are still major problems with the new implementation of RSS here. Many people have said that RSS in IE7 will mean an explosion of RSS reading amongst non-technical users. I am not so sure that’s the case at all, but more on that later.

There’s finally a search box in the corner of the browser and there are highly touted anti-phishing controls. You can easily choose to have your current tabs reopened the next time you open IE.

There is also integration of Windows .NET messenger, but more on that later.

If Only Things Were Different…

There are a lot of shortcomings still. Over all it’s an improvement and I’m thankful that if nothing else tabbed browsing will be spread around the world. Some people might say I’m just looking for feature overload, but there are clearly a lot of new features already being added. I’d just like to see a few more and better implementation of what’s coming in this release.

From the realistic to the fanciful, here are some things I wish the world’s biggest browser was offering in its newest iteration.

1. Useful RSS viewing

Without a “river of news option” to view all of my feeds or all the feeds in a single folder at one time, I may as well just click through a list of browser favorites. The option to click through one feed at a time falls far short of the potential that RSS offers and as things stand the feed view in IE 7 is just a way to look at one page at a time, perhaps with truncated entries and without page design. The option to automatically download enclosures is the only part of RSS that this implementation succeeds at.

2. One click RSS subscription

Believe it or not, when the browser detects a feed on a page you still have to view that feed and then chose to subscribe with another click. I fantasize about a day when I’ll be able to view all the feeds from the domain I’m at, but for now at least make it easy to quickly subscribe to.

3. Tagging and Online Access to Favorites

Tagging is useful. It’s how one item can be classified and thus discovered in multiple ways. Folders may be the preferred way to organize favorites or feeds for most people, but the option to view by tags would be very helpful. Likewise, online access to my favorites and feeds while away from my computer is something that everyone would appreciate. Watch some one’s eyes light up when you tell them that what we call social bookmarking lets them access their bookmarks from any computer.

4. Drag and Drop Organization

If you’re going to give me folders, at least make it easy for me to move items around in them. Most other online feed readers support this now.

5. Multimedia in the Feed Reader

Bloglines and some other feed readers now support viewing of video files inside their UI. IE 7 strips files like embedded videos from the feed reader view.

6. Social Annotation

IE has such market dominance that it only makes sense to let all those users communicate with each other about the pages they visit if they so chose. Take a page from StubleUpon or some of the many attempts to offer a wiki sidebar tied to each URL. It would be good if IE’s market share was able to be leveraged by users and not just as a means for Microsoft to profit.

7. P2P

Likewise, P2P can be powerful in the browser. See the newest version of Opera, it has BitTorrent baked in. I know - that couldn’t be more unrealistic from IE, but wouldn’t it make sense? Even a DRM locked down P2P system would be smart for much faster downloads.

8. Support for User Control of Attention Data

See the FireFox plugin from AttentionTrust.org. The ability to capture, leverage and selectively expose our online activities will some day be considered a basic civil right. I know it’s fanciful but it would be great if Microsoft made more moves in that direction sooner rather than later.

9. Full Cross Platform IM Compatibility

Windows Live Messenger announced IM compatibility with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice in July. There are a limited number of other cross platform compatibilities that various IM providers have announced. The IM in IE7 doesn’t appear to even work with Yahoo! Why couldn’t they have just ended this charade and built or bought a cross platform IM program? Is that too much to ask?

10. Standards Compliance

IE 7 is reported to be the most standards compliant version of the browser yet, but it would be great if the bully attitude was dropped and full WC3 compliance was at least aimed for. Instead the web gets a warning that IE7 is coming and that everyone had better test their applications to see if they will work in the new browser. Standards create a common space in which to innovate, it’s that simple. See comments below for discussion of this in particular.

10.5 Office Online

This may be far fetched enough to not even make the top 10 list, but look at what Google and startups like Zoho are doing. That’s the future. Let me do as much as possible through my browser, give me freedom from any one physical location, let me leverage network effects where appropriate.

It may not be fair to mark the release of a major new product with reflection on what it could have been; but given the circomstances of huge market adoption of IE and incredible innovation around the rest of the web - I hope I gave sufficient recognition to the good news at the top of this post. The bottom line is that IE should keep looking at what others are doing but move faster than it is.

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  1. David B.

    It’s going to take a lot for me to go back to IE. Ever since I switched over to Firefox, I said that I would never use IE again. I am curious to see how well IE is implemented though.

  2. Ping Liang

    I tried IE7 RC. It finally has tabs but some of the changes they made are very annoying: refresh and stop buttons are after the address bar, but forward and backward are in front, the home toolbar are at the same place with the tabs. These are so different from what people are used to and you cannot move them!

    Also, pages load much slower than in IE6 (maybe it is only my PCs). Firefox has a pleasant UI but it hogs so much memory and freezes all the time.

  3. Justin

    I don’t use IE (I’m on Mac), but I do have to test with it and it’s truly a pain to test both IE7 and IE6, especially with the different behaviors. I’ll be glad when IE7 is rolled out and we start to see a dominant percentage of users at least on a single IE. It’s never going to go away, but only testing 1 version of it will be a relief.

  4. wayne lambright

    I was an avid IE 6 user until three months ago when I fell in love with fire fox. FireFox is very fast and I love the tabs. Then about two months ago, I installed IE 7 on my laptop and now I use it exclusively for surfing and only open FireFox to do some browser compatibility CSS checking. The downside to IE 7 is that it only works on XP, which I’m not a fan of, my development machines run win 2000 and I hope in the final release of IE7 they would make it work on win 2000. Overall IE 7 is fast, comprehensive and user-friendly. I hope the new generation of Microsoft software “Vista” will deliver a similar experience. Fingers crossed :-)

  5. Dave Winer

    Bing!

    I feel like I got through — your #1 is my #1, and it’s why I don’t go for the growing conventional wisdom that IE7 is great for RSS. I think it’s bad that so many people will see RSS for the first time as a minor improvement over bookmarks. I had more to say about this, but didn’t want to be the only one saying this, it’s so boring to be ignored, which is basically what the IE7 people approached things. They saw RSS as their personal chance for glory, and they wanted to re-learn everything we learned. Not a surprise, that’s how the tech industry works, but it’s so tiresome.

    Good to see someone else willing to take up the cause. Maybe we can get Firefox to do something useful with RSS?

  6. Scott

    Hooray! Yet another half-assed (in terms of standards) browser to test for. How long until web developers don’t have to worry about supporting IE 6? Unfortunately, it’s going to linger for years. The Netscape effect all over again.

    And Wayne… IE7 will not be compatible with Windows 2000 (nor should it be).

    Sticking with the fox (except for browser testing of course).

  7. Dave Snider

    Crap, now I gotta go through and rehack my css for IE7 now that the underscore hack from IE6 doesn’t work anymore.

    le sigh

  8. Om

    Some pretty good points here. Point 6 - Social Annotation is my hot button - this is an essential new medium for the new generation of browsing. I think microsoft is going to have let the more innovative companies like incircles.com provide these kinds of synchronus overly communication features. Microsoft always seems to be missing the boat these days.

  9. wayne lambright

    Hi Scott, thanks for the tip on IE 7. I never upgraded to XP, because win 2000 was the first version of Windows that never crashed daily on me and I guess I was afraid to go further, then I got this Toshiba lap top with XP home on it, what a terrible experience it was, all those updates and I just don’t have the time to go through it again, so my running philosophy for Windows OS is to wait for the first service pack, then give it a try.

  10. Don Wilson

    Dave - what underscore css setting?

  11. Handy

    How many of those top 10 things happen with Firefox (sans extensions)? Or whatever Marshall’s browser of choice might be?

  12. Alex Iskold

    IE7 is a re-confirmation of a serious problem that MSFT just does not seem to get. In this day and age, it is simply not enough to match the features. You need to really innovate.

    To me the lack of any web services integration, like Flickr, del.icio.us, etc. is just mind boggling and very shortsighted, because MSFT is (was?) in perfect position to take all of this mainstream.

    Anyway, this is yet another reason why we do not want to build the blueorganizer add-one for IE - we commited to helping Firefox win the browser wars.

    Alex

  13. Alex Iskold

    Handy,

    Its a fair question. I think Marshall’s line is the total lack of innovation, and I agree, its just dissapointing to see MSFT play safe all the time.

    Alex

  14. Anson

    You are so, so wrong on this Marshall!

    The last time we had this many features in a browser it was called Netslop Bloatinator or something. I don’t really remember it too well because Microsoft soon after crapped all over it with IE. Spell it. I…E…. Bloatinator really was SO BAD that Microsoft won outright on usability and stability! Amazing, huh. This ill-fated browser eventually imploded and gave birth to a sleek feature-light browser called Firefox. Unfortunately, Firefox is begining to forget these important lessons so painfully learned by its founding father. Time to lather, rinse and repeat…

  15. Standard Web Design

    This list of features, save for the Standards Compliance, is hard for me to picture an average IE user knowing or caring about. Microsoft caters to the average end-user, and will only do what is best for their marketshare. I think MS only sees the people using these technologies as a small niche that they won’t profit from, so why bother?

    As for Standards Compliance, I couldn’t agree more. On the other hand, going fully standards compliant may actually mean making a lot of people upset. For instance, say a large corporation builds an extensive web application that uses a lot of the features and standards of previous IE versions. If MS “fixes” their browser, it may break these web apps. In turn it could cost these corporations, most likely very large clients for MS, tons of time and money to fix. Who do you think MS will cater to, the standards advocates or the people they profit most from?

  16. Chris Messina

    In terms of features, AOL’s OpenRide is actually closer to the featureset that we had in mind for Flock — though the implementation leaves much to be desired.

    As for IE7, I’m just glad that Firefox has competition again, even if it’s only incremental compared with Firefox 1.0’s dominance over IE6. It seems that Firefox 2.0 is going to be pretty lackluster for normal humans — so maybe with some decent (not great, mind you) competition, the open source crowd will again rally the troops and innovate…

    We’ll see, but as far as I’m concerned, Web 2.0 has barely begun.

  17. Marshall Kirkpatrick

    Standard Web Design - many of the above are features being adde to IE7, just in a half assed way. Like RSS without the ability to view media files in the reader view. I think this only makes sense. Good and interesting points on standards though.

  18. lemon obrien

    P2P … well, first bittorrent sucks… second, http is not a good protocol for p2p; what would be good is an extension system where you could install a p2p app…or any other app…the browser can be used as the interface; but the extension would need time to keep open wholes punched through firewalls…do you really want to adjust your firewall to run a p2p app? do you really want to leave open an http port so other p2p apps can connect to you?

    anyway…i just think it sucks every networking web 2.0 thing-a-ma-bob has to go through the browser. the internet is just getting so lame now…and boring.

    the only cool space left is multi-player games.

  19. Brent

    I know the bully mental-tude you mean. However, I don’t see it on the IE7 team though. Standard Web Design’s comments above are spot on. It’s a tough balancing act. Fixing standards compliance breaks things everywhere. Old problems being addressed by a new team.

    Details on CSS changes for IE7 from the IE blog
    http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archi.....12830.aspx

  20. Rajiv

    I like opera better than explorer and firefox.. infact opera mini is one of the best mobile browsers around..

  21. Marshall Kirkpatrick

    Thanks for that link Brent. I’ve added a note to highlight discussion of this in comments as it makes loads of sense to me that things are more complicated that I acknowledged.

  22. Sean

    Marshall, you write this list as if Firefox or any other browser does all these things out of the box. MS knows the “nerds” won’t give a crap about IE7, but all these things you want are for nerds (or at least the technically “elite”) so I don’t see it making much sense to implement any of that stuff.

    The only reason IE7 matters to me is it’s one more version of IE that I have to test with for every web page I make. :(

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  24. Sean Lyndersay

    Marshall,

    Thanks for your thoughtful comments on IE7. A couple responses to features that are related to RSS (my particular area):

    1. Useful RSS viewing
    River of News is not quite something we don’t “get.” It was a hard cut from this release of IE. I personally believe quite a lot in the the river of news style of feed reading, and we will be working on this scenario for a future release of IE (yep, there will be future releases of IE, and not in 5 years, either :).

    2. One-click RSS subscription
    We optimized in this release for the “preview-then-subscribe” model that you see today, which we think works well for the mainstream user (and is tolerable for the power-user). In a future release, we’ll looking at enabling the one-click subscribe model that you’d prefer (or the (or the “one-less-click” model, as I sometimes call it :) .

    4. Drag and Drop Organization
    The feed list does support drag-and-drop organization…

    5. Multimedia in the Feed Reader
    This one was hard. We took an approach with IE7 that prioritized security over functionality. We felt that while there are some very valid scenarios for allowing executable code in feeds, the risk is too great to allow just anything right now. Over time (the aforementioned “future releases”), we will be investigating dialing back the lock-down to enable specific scenarios (mostly around multimedia) while keeping the security of the user foremost.

    On other topics:
    9. Full Cross Platform IM Compatibility
    FWIW, IE7 doesn’t ship with an IM client. Any IM client you’re seeing got on your system via some other mechanism (Windows XP ships with Windows Messenger, which you should upgrade with Windows Live Messenger).

    - Sean

  25. Marshall Kirkpatrick

    Thanks Sean. Best of luck to you.

  26. Sam Sethi

    Here is a very good comparison table of the standards support of IE6/7, FF and Opera 8/9.

    http://www.webdevout.net/brows....._5-OP8-OP9

    The biggest thing missing from IE7 is support for Live Clipboard and Live Clipbook. Ray Ozzie has done a great job with this.

    http://rayozzie.spaces.live.co.....ample.html

    Native microformat support would have been a great way for Microsoft to jump ahead of the pack but Ray’s work has not as yet been transmitted down to the Microsoft Dev Teams other than the LiveWriter project which is built by the recently acquired Onfolio Team.

    Finally what is the homepage for the release of IE7. MSN or Live.com? MSN relies on the default homepage to get traffic?

  27. Brent

    The whole standards issue amazes me. Before this release, there was a sort of, standards anarchy. Standards will be the “middle-east” of technology for a while.

    I’ve been totally frustrated with the Favorites implementation -until now! Wow, thanks Sean for pointing out the drag and drop.

    Marshall, thanks for facilitating the discussion. #10.5 would seriously shake things up.

  28. gman

    Online Office…..rather then Online Office I want IE7 and Firefox 2.x to get together and make a standard for drag and drop / cut and paste attachments.

    I want to be able to drag a jpeg directly into this comment I’m writing just like have been able to do since MacWrite in 1984 and like I can still do in Word, Outlook, Outlook Express, Open Office, Thunderbird etc. I want to be able to select something in Photoshop and past it right here were I’m typing this comment just like I can in those other programs.

    Things like that that we’ve been doing for years that take 0.5 seconds on a desktop app take 2-3 minutes per item online and then usually require lots of UI navigation or code entry to get them to appear :-(

    I believe until we get that we will never have true online apps and that once we do get it people will wonder how we lived without it for the last 13 years of web history.

  29. Ian

    Windows Live Toolbar should probably have shipped by default with IE7, and I expect it will in the future. If you get that and the free OnFolio add-on, you get better RSS, online favourites with tags, one-click subscription, river of news and multimedia in the feeds.

  30. Prem

    I’ve been using Firefox for quite a while, but I will give a try to IE7 just because Firefox just seems to crash, take up a lot of memory, etc.
    Let’s see what IE7 has to offer

  31. Chris Mosetick

    What about font embedding per W3C spec? This would give IE7 a lot of leverage with designers that prefer to use actual type, rather than images that look like type. I realize they experimented with WEFT a while back, but that was an IE proprietary feature. Why not actually follow this spec as described by the W3C without the use of proprietary features? I myself really hope the Firefox team gets going on this, as FF ismf browser of choice hands down.
    @font-face { font-family: “Robson Celtic”;
    src: url(”http://site/fonts/rob-celt”)
    }
    “A user agent implementing CSS2 will first examine @font-face rules in search of a font description defining ‘Robson Celtic’. This example contains a rule that matches. Although this rule doesn’t contain much font data, it does have a URI where the font can be retrieved for rendering this document. Downloaded fonts should not be made available to other applications.”
    -http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#font-descriptions
    -http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=400111
    -https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70132

  32. sean

    ie 7 is for the dumb people who donnot use firefox.firefox simply rocks… . the extensions are the heart ..for lot of firefox fans.ie 7 can never be as flexible as firefox is. the thing which is not flexible for individual usage is gonna loose.ie 7 is gonna loose .

  33. Michiel

    so what you are saying is, you want IE7 to be everything but a browser. I am sure you see why that is funny since it is, after all, a browser. RSS, IM, office, P2P, all lovely really, but NOT part of a web browser.

    If you are serious about making your web browser into a walking talking christmas tree you should probably install firefox and every available extension you can find. Or you could keep it light and enjoy a fast, stable browser.

  34. Alexander

    Will IE7 keep bookmarks only online?

  35. Robert Dewey

    Regarding “10.5 Office Online”

    I agree to some extent, but I would much rather have my data “available everywhere” while still using local applications. It’s not really the “application in the browser” that I care about, it’s having easy access to my data when and where I want it.

    Another problem with “Office Online” is how to easily port data from one company (ZOHO) to another (Writely). Is it really convenient to have a “hard drive” for each service?

    I envision a future where data is everywhere. All of your devices are connected to web-based storage and linked together. Want to show your friends that movie you Tivo’d last night, but you’re at someone elses house? No problem, just login to your friends Tivo and it’s right there. Heck, why not flip open your cellular phone and stream the movie from there? Or perhaps show your friends all of the photos you just uploaded to your PC?

    It’s not about the application and cross platform capability, it’s about the data.

  36. Daniel Haran

    I think the geeks aren’t doing a good enough job explaining what they mean by standards compliance.

    In particular, we mean CSS. The same web page can look mostly the same on all the more standards-compliant sites, and look horribly broken on IE6.

    To fix this, we used various “hacks”- ways of declaring properties/rules that would not be seen by IE but not, say, Firefox. Firefox would see a comment and ignore it, IE6 would just execute it.

    So what’s the thing that’s making our blood boil? The rumour that the IE7 did not fix the most grievous bugs, but fixed the comment bug so we have no way to declare rules for IE only. It now properly ignores comments in the CSS.

    This should be half-good, but it turns out to be absolutely horrible if we now have broken-looking pages we can’t fix. Will we be told to make it work for the dominant browser again, and ignore the smaller market for FF / Safari, Opera?

    Sean, can you comment? Are you guys aware of just how nasty the reaction will be if this is true?

  37. Nikolay Kolev

    I’m highly disappointed by IE7! Sometimes it takes minutes to open up a blank tab (I’m using the RC)! But it’s even slower when it needs to close a tab! Maxthon, which is based on IE, needs less than a second for the same operation, Firefox 2 is even faster. Opera crashes like there’s no tomorrow so its nice features are can’t be used, because of the pathetic instability. At this point, Firefox 2 is The Browser. It’s faster than 1.5 and uses a lot less memory. I’m also looking forward to Maxthon 2 and I think Microsoft had to acquire Maxthon back then instread of spending millions and having something still subpar.

    BTW, IE tabs were a joke since MSN Tabbed Browsing Addon.

  38. Richard White

    Daniel: Well said. When I first learned that IE7 was going to increase the amount of time I spend fixing sites for IE, by about 50%, I was pretty peeved (leading to some not so nice comments of mine on the ScobleShow).

    The best solution for IE7 compatibility is to:
    * Move all your IE hacks into a separate stylesheet that’s wrapped in a conditional include
    * Go through and un-hack each declaration that is needed in both IE6 and IE7 (i.e. take off the * html if you were star hacking) leaving those fixes that are IE6 only still hacked.

    Rinse, repeat… sigh

  39. Joe Clark

    IE7 doesn’t have to break any legacy sites if they, and it, use DOCTYPE switching to set quirks vs. standards-compliance mode. It is a well-implemented concept invented in Internet Explorer… for Macintosh. (And IE7 does use it. It is merely up to the developers to get with the program circa 2001 and use it, too.)

  40. webduck

    I just wish that you could close out ALL the tabs with the X. Instead, you have to close the last tab by closing the whole window. Wah!

  41. Jason M. Lemkin

    The worst part is, when IE 7 doesn’t work with your favorite non-compliant site, there no easy way to degrade back to 6 . . .

  42. Bruce

    Just wanted to throw in some things that came to mind as I was reading all of this.

    IE7 not being available for Win 2000 “(nor should it be)” - I don’t get that kind of reasoning. We aren’t talking about an OS that cannot handle the new innovations. There is no technical reason why Win2k should not or could not have an IE7 made for it as well. The reason is purely business. Don’t tell me about the “technical hurdles” - whatever you say Win2k can do or cannot do is just a matter of inserting the correct code (patch, update, whatever) to get it “compliant” to whatever “x factor” that can be brought as an arguement against it’s worthiness and ability to use IE7 - or any other of the new features (such as Windows Media 11) that MS has been rolling out. I don’t remember such overt, pushy business tactics since Apple and it’s “no reason but ’cause we said so” OS lockouts at every new iteration of it’s machine [recall after all that media flack Apple was spilling about how the old machines could not handle OSX, and how it was something inherent in the machine that made it necessary to buy the new G3s and G4s? Only to get busted by hackers who found out that Apple simply changed some code IN THE SOFTWARE to purposely lock out older machines?] - it’s absolutely shameless. The question that should have been asked was how to minimize the inpact on peoples lives and at the same time introduce new products; and then figure out how to integrate the new with existing products that are working just fine, while bring out others that will EVENTUALLY replace the old (in this case Vista eventually - not immediately - replacing the older OS(s)).

    Maximize compatibility and don’t “force feed” replacements that aren’t relly needed. Would we care about Vista if we hadn’t heard about it? No - we would be looking forward to SP3, and for most of us, that would be good enough, for a long while.

    Unless your a recent High School graduate - I don’t know why you would crap all over Netscape. Netscape is the founding father and technilogical backbone of Firefox (all of Mozilla and all that is Gecko comes from Netscape). You are wrong in trying to assert that Netscape was a bad, buggy or inferior browser to IE4 (which was where we were at when Netscape died). Netscape was vastly superior and more popular than IE - and it had great features like full compatilbility to the current web standards, and FREE plugins for anything you had to do on your browser (reminds you of Firefox, hey?). As a matter of fact, Netscape WAS Firefox back then, and it worked much better than IE4 or IE5. So I don’t know what you are talking about, but that horse poop.

    THE REASON that Netscape went down had nothing to do with the “Browser Wars”, at least directly. It was a mistake in trust. Netscape thought that they would join up with AOL and have the muscle behind it to finally put MS out of it’s misery. NOBODY liked MS browser - and AOL’s version was even more crippled that MS’s. AOL was also trying to position itself as “master of the web”, so it seemed to perfect sense. What Netscape seemed to forget is that AOL had already made a deal with MS - which everyone seemed to be aware with except Netscape for some strange reason. AOL buys Netscape; one thing leads to another and before you kow it AOL has buried Netscape, putting people in a “no choice” position with MS and IE. What did AOL get out of it? Who knows - but they still maintain a crippled iteration of the IE browser - usually 1 to 2 versions behind the current one… No Netscape didn’t lose the war because of it’s product - it lost because of shifty backroom dealing, and we all lose because if allowed to flourish it would have probably been the most reliable, flexible, compatible and scalable browsers of all by now. Don’t look at todays Netscape - it’s just another cripple AOL owned browser - not even a shadow of what it could have been if it weren’t thrown across the room by thos “tech thugs”. One last note - if your not convince that AOL and MS were in co-horts with the whole destruction of Netscape - why would AOL buy a browser it wasn’t going to use? And why would they keep on using the IE browser when they had their own??? Sound like 2 and 2 = 4 to me…

    Finally, I use every major browser, and no matter what IE offers I am looking for one thing - stability. I cannot and do not use it to go to fun sites. I use it only when I absolutely have to. I am using RC1 now and besides the eye candy (which still isn’t all that pretty) it has a lot of stability issues. It loves to crash, or lock up. IE6 was much more stable and forgiving - even though it took a barrel of hotfixes, patches and service packs to get it there. I’m not going to get all “techie”, because I’m just talking regular web browsing. I don’t think it quite knows how to handle tabs yet. If I open a multitude of tabs, the speed at which I experience broeser freeze accelerates expotentially. The good news is that it doesn’t seem to take my tray icons with it, as IE6 used to do.

    I’m also interested in (yeah I know I said finally - but I just had to say one more thing) skinning the browser - and I don’t want to have to use Stardock, XPthemer or any third party skinning tools. One of you mentioned the layout of IE7 - I think that while it’s prettier thar IE6 that it is also less functional, and poorly designed. I wish MS would have opened up the interface for skins - MS approved, not “uxtheme.dll hacked” chop shop skins. We should be able to go to the MS site, just like we go to Winamp or Mozilla and choose from skins made by MS and users as well. You listening MS? That’s another thing you can sell - MS Skin Studio Plus XP Extreme… online edition?

  43. Seth

    I don’t like firefox. On both my computers, IE 6 fires up much more quickly than firefox. Plus there’s something about firefox that I just don’t like. Aesthetics. I think it’s the interface. IE just looks more polished. Firefox is a great alternative to IE. But I just like my Internet Explorer.

  44. Amit

    IE7 will bring an explosion to RSS viewing. First, RSS is so easy. It’s just that over 80% of the market has not had consistent exposure to it. Hopefully, IE 7 helps users understand RSS and offers them a hand it subscribing to RSS.

    -Amit
    http://www.ipatrons.com

  45. Jerome

    I hate to say it, Seth, but I agree with you on every point. I almost felt like I was the only one thinking this. Although I strongly cheer the Firefox cause on currently Internet Explorer IS more polished. I think it gets out of the way better for user experience and let’s the content be featured at center stage … not the FF isn’t an acceptable alternative, but there is room for improvement.

  46. Robert Spivack

    The built-in RSS reader is “good enough” for the vast majority of first-time RSS folks that this enables.

    Remember, the world at large isn’t full of Web 2.0 biggots that sit at their screens all day long reading Techcrunch or Valleywag.

    Personally, I love having RSS in the web browser and not having to load/configure/learn yet-another-stupid-app just for my basic “toolset”.

    Since the RSS reader in IE7 nicely strips all the UGLY formatting of most blogs (have you ever seen Scoblizer in the actual web viewer and not an RSS feed), it’s is a welcome productivity aid.

    Of course, it strips all those obnoxious TechCrunch ads too. Thank you!!!

  47. shashi

    wow..nice article..

    hope to see some nice changes..
    but many things have been copied from its rival browsers..tabbing..etc..

    anyway..we need the best browser..thats all..

    so lets hope to see some real good features…

    thanks :)

  48. Bill W.

    It’s pretty sad, actually. As Opera, Safari and Firefox move on to support CSS3, IE7 will barely support CSS2. Absolutely shameful.

    Meanwhile, check out what Safari 3.0 will do:
    http://duggmirror.com/apple/Th.....pard_Lust/

  49. GamerJunkdotNet

    I have been using the new IE7 and while it’s a great improvement, I still find myself going back to Opera for one simple reason. The Wand. If IE7 had a way to easily store logins that at a click of a button filled them out I would stay with it. Mainly because Opera has issues with youtube.

    I know IE7 has autocomplete but I find myself with different logins for different sites and sometimes I forget whether I made the name “XXX” or “XXXX”

    AvantBrowser is what I use when I need to do something that only IE can handle.

  50. Brian Collins

    AvantBrowser - has both Firefox and IE beat. It’s had RSS for quite a long time now, and the latest release has both RSS Subscription and Bookmark sync!!! No matter where you go, you’ll have your bookmarks in your browser with you. Not only this, but it has SO many other features, like tabs, Cascade tabbed windows (vertically or horizontally), close all tabs, close all tabs except the current tab, options to save sessions and tabs (or not). You can also see the progress of the loading page right on the tab!

    To take that further, it supports the Google toolbar, the Web Developer toolbar, and several other add-ons. With Firefox, you have to go around hunting for mediocre extensions to do what comes standard with AvantBrowser.

    There is a plethora of shortcuts - i.e. Back & Forward with the mouse by holding down one mouse button and clicking the other, or scroll through your tabs with the mouse wheel. It’s SO sweet.

    Finally, nearly everything is customizable, and there’s a LOT of options. Want tabs at top or bottom? Fine. You can select which info/records/history you want cleared upon closing the browser/session.

    I encourage everyone to try it. I’ve been using it for years. (oh, and great forums/support too).

    http://www.avantbrowser.com

  51. David

    Strangely, I think you’ll find that IE7 is nicer from a CSS stand point than you would expect. I just had to debug a large scale site that is fully CSS, and I had little trouble with it. My ie7 style sheet has two declarations in it.

    With IE7, microsoft made the biggest step in cross-browser compatibility by fixing their box model. They’ve added a good amount of support for common problems and definitely picked their priorities to get a moderately timely release.

    That said, I’m no fan of the program and it will not replace firefox for me… I just don’t think it’s the pile of crap that many want to make it out to be. The only feature that I didn’t feel was playing catch up is the zoom. So much nicer than trying to build a site based on fluctuating font size.

  52. Brian Collins

    Have to chime in again - AvantBrowser has also had zoom for several years. It runs on the IE engine, so it’s relevant for testing (unlike Opera, or other non-standard browsers). If you must work with IE to test for web standards, like we wedevelopers do, you should ditch the standard IE browser for the AvantBrowser interface instead.

  53. Tom

    Maybe I’ll sound like an RSS noob, but what value is a “river of news” view? It’s like trying to manage your e-mail without having filters. I subscribe to about 90 feeds, some are updated 8 times a day, some are updated once or twice a month. How would I not lose a friend’s infrequent blog post amongst a sea of, say, techcrunch posts unless everything was in seperate folders?

  54. Nige

    My ha’penny’s worth:

    1. Firefox takes so long to start up that I can go off and make coffee, do the shopping, write a chapter of my novel, visit my mistress, buy a round of drinks in the pub and still be back at the PC in time to watch the Firefox window appear. After which it’s sluggish. So I’ve stopped using it and gone over to IE7, which is a shame - if Firefox did everything it does, plus just worked smoothly, there’d be no competition.

    2. Whoever designed the IE7 GUI is having a giraffe, aren’t they? I’ve been using it months and still have to think about where to find the home, stop and refresh buttons. Absolute rubbish - at least make it customizable so I can stick all my important buttons where I’m used to having them, and where every other browser has them. This does for usability what the Qwerty keyboard does for typing speed.

    3. I’m not sure I’ve seen any browser do anything really good with RSS.

  55. Yang Nakagawa

    Well here’s a nice damper for IE7…look at these websites: http://www.msie7.com and http://www.microsoftie7.com and http://www.microsoftinternetexplorer7.com :P :D

  56. Gan Uesli Starling

    Well, I have IE 7 and am much annoyed to find that its feed reader overrides an Atom 1.0 feed’s own deliberately built XSLT stylesheet. The built in sorting and all are fine for feeds lacking a stylesheet, but to override one provided…that is just more Gatesian micro management.

    Does anybody know how to turn that off and restore an Atom feed’s own, linked-to XSLT stylesheet?