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	<title>Comments on: IMSafer Filters, Not Spies, on Kids</title>
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		<title>By: Glubble Makes Firefox Family Friendly : Forecast-Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-1444869</link>
		<dc:creator>Glubble Makes Firefox Family Friendly : Forecast-Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] safe. Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft have implemented family friendly search features. Startups like IMSafer have taken on protecting kids on IM. Glaxstar&#8217;s new startup, Glubble, is making the internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] safe. Yahoo, Google, and Microsoft have implemented family friendly search features. Startups like IMSafer have taken on protecting kids on IM. Glaxstar&rsquo;s new startup, Glubble, is making the internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: safe!!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-895355</link>
		<dc:creator>safe!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;safe!!...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>safe!!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If U Love Music cOME and Get Some &#8230; Dj Cammy!!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amigo Mensajero &#187; Cuidando las conversaciones de los menores con IMSafer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-270124</link>
		<dc:creator>Amigo Mensajero &#187; Cuidando las conversaciones de los menores con IMSafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vía: Techcrunch. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Marsh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-262894</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cablevision has a good resource for parents and children at www.powertolearn.com. There is a really good two part article about protecting kids on social networking sites at http://www.powertolearn.com/articles/parenting_with_technology/article.shtml?ID=12 and http://www.powertolearn.com/articles/parenting_with_technology/article.shtml?ID=13</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cablevision has a good resource for parents and children at <a href="http://www.powertolearn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.powertolearn.com</a>. There is a really good two part article about protecting kids on social networking sites at <a href="http://www.powertolearn.com/articles/parenting_with_technology/article.shtml?ID=12" rel="nofollow">http://www.powertolearn.com/ar.....html?ID=12</a> and <a href="http://www.powertolearn.com/articles/parenting_with_technology/article.shtml?ID=13" rel="nofollow">http://www.powertolearn.com/ar.....html?ID=13</a></p>
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		<title>By: Little Legends Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trusting your children to be safe online</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-244071</link>
		<dc:creator>Little Legends Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trusting your children to be safe online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch has some more details. &#8220;When an offending statement is made, an email alert is sent to the parent in real time. The IMSafer dashboard displays conversation excerpts that the system believes are unsafe. The parent can then vote on whether they believe the conversation to be inappropriate and those votes go into a common pool tied to IM screen names. Other parents will be notified if their child enters into conversation with someone who has had conversation filtered and voted as inappropriate by any other IMSafer participating parent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch has some more details. &#8220;When an offending statement is made, an email alert is sent to the parent in real time. The IMSafer dashboard displays conversation excerpts that the system believes are unsafe. The parent can then vote on whether they believe the conversation to be inappropriate and those votes go into a common pool tied to IM screen names. Other parents will be notified if their child enters into conversation with someone who has had conversation filtered and voted as inappropriate by any other IMSafer participating parent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drama 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240633</link>
		<dc:creator>Drama 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is overkill. Everybody knows that to stop 99% of communications from sexual predators, all you need to do is block *.gov. It's amazing. It stops all Senators and Congressmen from hitting on your children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is overkill. Everybody knows that to stop 99% of communications from sexual predators, all you need to do is block *.gov. It&#8217;s amazing. It stops all Senators and Congressmen from hitting on your children!</p>
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		<title>By: N8</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240484</link>
		<dc:creator>N8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 05:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's a great idea.  Very noble for someone to come up with it.  I still feel that the problem can be solved if parents would educate and monitor their children more about using pc's and the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a great idea.  Very noble for someone to come up with it.  I still feel that the problem can be solved if parents would educate and monitor their children more about using pc&#8217;s and the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; IMSafer、子供たちをスパイするのではなく、フィルターする</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240148</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; IMSafer、子供たちをスパイするのではなく、フィルターする</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 【日本語版コメント】 保護者によるコントロールのもと、子供をオンライン上の危険から守るサービスは他にIndustrious Kid Inc.社の子供向けSNS Imbeeがある。 [原文へ]  IMSafer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 【日本語版コメント】 保護者によるコントロールのもと、子供をオンライン上の危険から守るサービスは他にIndustrious Kid Inc.社の子供向けSNS Imbeeがある。 [原文へ]  IMSafer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: midwestmusic</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240127</link>
		<dc:creator>midwestmusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good idea, but I think parents need to start using their own controls as well.  They need to talk to their kids about the internet before throwing them into it and never explaining anything about it.  So many kids can just go find whatever they want and have nobody ever check on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good idea, but I think parents need to start using their own controls as well.  They need to talk to their kids about the internet before throwing them into it and never explaining anything about it.  So many kids can just go find whatever they want and have nobody ever check on them.</p>
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		<title>By: IMsafer, monitorizando las conversaciones de los menores</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240072</link>
		<dc:creator>IMsafer, monitorizando las conversaciones de los menores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vía &#124; Techcrunch Enlace &#124; IMsafer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Latest News : IMSafer Filters, Not Spies, on Kids</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-240057</link>
		<dc:creator>Latest News : IMSafer Filters, Not Spies, on Kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keeping Kids Safe With IMSafer -- Alec Saunders .LOG</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239975</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeping Kids Safe With IMSafer -- Alec Saunders .LOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Techcrunch picked up the story a few minutes ago too.  Congrats Brandon!  Bookmarking:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: Techcrunch picked up the story a few minutes ago too.  Congrats Brandon!  Bookmarking:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239902</link>
		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like a great idea, especially for teens. It give parents a way to try and keep their kids safe online, while still giving teens a reasonable amount of privacy. Everyone wins (except the predators and we like it that way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a great idea, especially for teens. It give parents a way to try and keep their kids safe online, while still giving teens a reasonable amount of privacy. Everyone wins (except the predators and we like it that way).</p>
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		<title>By: Catch Up Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239903</link>
		<dc:creator>Catch Up Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea, I hope that parents use it in conjunction with online safety conversations and resources like the Cybertipline where they or the child can report anything sketchy.  I think that this sort of software can help parents become more tech savvy and keep up on what's going on online, but nothing can replace parents discussing what's appropriate and what's not online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea, I hope that parents use it in conjunction with online safety conversations and resources like the Cybertipline where they or the child can report anything sketchy.  I think that this sort of software can help parents become more tech savvy and keep up on what&#8217;s going on online, but nothing can replace parents discussing what&#8217;s appropriate and what&#8217;s not online.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas van Westrenen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239881</link>
		<dc:creator>Bas van Westrenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good service. I hope it's realy Childsafe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good service. I hope it&#8217;s realy Childsafe.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239880</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tjvm --

those are great thoughts.  you are right, the human language, in all forms, is a challenging beast.  that's one of the reasons why we a) started with English only, and b) are targeting a specific problem - the inappropriate relationships with children.

the language and patterns that people use to initiate, develop and maintain inappropriate relationships with children are pretty well understood.  our engine is built in such a way that it can evolve and be tuned.  no solution is perfect, but we believe, and our customers have told us, this is a far better solution than anything on the market.

with respect to the griefing you mentioned, a person can only leave feedback when our engine flags something in a conversation, and feedback is numerical and can only be negative.  further, you cannot look at someone's profile rating unless that person makes IM contact with an account you are monitoring *and* something in the conversation gets flagged, so that certainly insulates some of the defamation issues you bring up.

this is great feedback, and we love hearing from current and potential customers.  i hope you don't mind if i address this at length over at our blog.  parents will be very interested to see more of this type of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tjvm &#8211;</p>
<p>those are great thoughts.  you are right, the human language, in all forms, is a challenging beast.  that&#8217;s one of the reasons why we a) started with English only, and b) are targeting a specific problem - the inappropriate relationships with children.</p>
<p>the language and patterns that people use to initiate, develop and maintain inappropriate relationships with children are pretty well understood.  our engine is built in such a way that it can evolve and be tuned.  no solution is perfect, but we believe, and our customers have told us, this is a far better solution than anything on the market.</p>
<p>with respect to the griefing you mentioned, a person can only leave feedback when our engine flags something in a conversation, and feedback is numerical and can only be negative.  further, you cannot look at someone&#8217;s profile rating unless that person makes IM contact with an account you are monitoring *and* something in the conversation gets flagged, so that certainly insulates some of the defamation issues you bring up.</p>
<p>this is great feedback, and we love hearing from current and potential customers.  i hope you don&#8217;t mind if i address this at length over at our blog.  parents will be very interested to see more of this type of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Flocito</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239859</link>
		<dc:creator>Flocito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia Peach posted:

"Texas is not in the South."

Really, genius?  Please, provide a geography lesson for the rest of us then.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Texas is not in the South.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really, genius?  Please, provide a geography lesson for the rest of us then.</p>
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		<title>By: tjvm</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239843</link>
		<dc:creator>tjvm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting idea, although I think "selective spying" would be more accurate than "filtering," since they're not blocking communication, but instead reporting it to the parents.

Based on my experience with various kinds of filters, it's very hard to weed out any kind of "bad language" (however you define it) without generating a lot of false positives.  Human language is just too slippery.  And in this context, false positives may be a serious problem.  It sounds to me like they build profiles on people and assign them some sort of threat rating.  In this context, giving someone a high threat rating is more or less equivalent to saying, "we think this person is a sexual predator."  If you're going to make that statement about someone to hundreds or thousands of users, you'd better be sure you can back it up, or you could be facing some painful defamation suits.

Finally, I wonder if they've anticipated the possibility of griefing.  Teenagers aren't known for temperance, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few tech-savvy friends decided that it would be amusing to log in as parents and vote someone into "level 5" status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting idea, although I think &#8220;selective spying&#8221; would be more accurate than &#8220;filtering,&#8221; since they&#8217;re not blocking communication, but instead reporting it to the parents.</p>
<p>Based on my experience with various kinds of filters, it&#8217;s very hard to weed out any kind of &#8220;bad language&#8221; (however you define it) without generating a lot of false positives.  Human language is just too slippery.  And in this context, false positives may be a serious problem.  It sounds to me like they build profiles on people and assign them some sort of threat rating.  In this context, giving someone a high threat rating is more or less equivalent to saying, &#8220;we think this person is a sexual predator.&#8221;  If you&#8217;re going to make that statement about someone to hundreds or thousands of users, you&#8217;d better be sure you can back it up, or you could be facing some painful defamation suits.</p>
<p>Finally, I wonder if they&#8217;ve anticipated the possibility of griefing.  Teenagers aren&#8217;t known for temperance, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if a few tech-savvy friends decided that it would be amusing to log in as parents and vote someone into &#8220;level 5&#8243; status.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239837</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like a fantastic idea, and I wish them the utmost success.

It's about time someone put forth some innovative ideas to protect children on the internet. It seems that many parents alone aren't having much success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a fantastic idea, and I wish them the utmost success.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time someone put forth some innovative ideas to protect children on the internet. It seems that many parents alone aren&#8217;t having much success.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgiaPeach</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239826</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgiaPeach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas is not in the South.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239801</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Little beasts"??</description>
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		<title>By: Brandon Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239794</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for the kind and gentle review.  Must be our southern hospitality rubbing off on people.  We are really excited about what we have built, and definitely tried to build something that both parents and kids will be OK with.  At the end of the day, we want to hide the tech so that parents can be parents, and kids can be kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the kind and gentle review.  Must be our southern hospitality rubbing off on people.  We are really excited about what we have built, and definitely tried to build something that both parents and kids will be OK with.  At the end of the day, we want to hide the tech so that parents can be parents, and kids can be kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Zen Master</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/10/03/imsafer-filters-not-spies-on-kids/#comment-239780</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Dang! This is exactly the product señor Foley should have been using!

Oh well, overall this product looks good, and hope it catches on as protecting children is becoming more and more impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Dang! This is exactly the product señor Foley should have been using!</p>
<p>Oh well, overall this product looks good, and hope it catches on as protecting children is becoming more and more impossible.</p>
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