Comments on: Dapper puts weather.com (and Matisyahu) on your calendar http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/ Startup and Technology News Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:17:45 -0800 hourly 1 By: mobmash blog » Blog Archive » links for 2006-09-26 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-222018 mobmash blog » Blog Archive » links for 2006-09-26 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:24:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-222018 [...] Dapper puts weather.com (and Matisyahu) on your calendar (tags: mashup rss api) [...] [...] Dapper puts weather.com (and Matisyahu) on your calendar (tags: mashup rss api) [...]

]]> By: frum http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-220948 frum Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:40:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-220948 It was nice to see Matisyahu on techcrunch. It was nice to see Matisyahu on techcrunch.

]]> By: Marshall http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-219971 Marshall Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:39:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-219971 In response to the twice asked question, I do think this site is worth investing in if you have money to invest and like this sort of thing, yes. It's a fascinating gamble. In response to the twice asked question, I do think this site is worth investing in if you have money to invest and like this sort of thing, yes. It’s a fascinating gamble.

]]> By: AlmondDew http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-219969 AlmondDew Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:37:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-219969 I agree with Saeed. It might be worth investing in a powerful tool like that and applying it for commercial purposes across the board for all content sites and creators. That way everyone will benefit both from the easy use and dynamic application fo the tool to various content anywhere online, and both the original creators of the content and the users of it can enjoy a piece of the revenue. What do you say? Tal I agree with Saeed. It might be worth investing in a powerful tool like that and applying it for commercial purposes across the board for all content sites and creators. That way everyone will benefit both from the easy use and dynamic application fo the tool to various content anywhere online, and both the original creators of the content and the users of it can enjoy a piece of the revenue.

What do you say?

Tal

]]> By: Jorge http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-219529 Jorge Mon, 25 Sep 2006 01:05:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-219529 The difference, rickdog, is that these sites don't allow their services to be reused for COMMERCIAL purposes without their consent. Just reposting it on one's site is fine, since they allow they; if an individual were to use a Dapper-like program on their own site, that would likely be fine since the sites provide an API for that purpose. The problem is that Dapper STRIPS the ads and other material from the feed and REPLACES it with it's own. Dapper is essentially stealing the content because 1) it's using it without permission, and 2) it's profiting off the content. The difference, rickdog, is that these sites don’t allow their services to be reused for COMMERCIAL purposes without their consent.

Just reposting it on one’s site is fine, since they allow they; if an individual were to use a Dapper-like program on their own site, that would likely be fine since the sites provide an API for that purpose.

The problem is that Dapper STRIPS the ads and other material from the feed and REPLACES it with it’s own. Dapper is essentially stealing the content because 1) it’s using it without permission, and 2) it’s profiting off the content.

]]> By: Dave Smith http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217627 Dave Smith Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:15:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217627 Interesting - but it looks like the majority of services are somewhat loosely coupled, with wrappers, as opposed to true web services - a great interim solution to whet the palate. Interesting – but it looks like the majority of services are somewhat loosely coupled, with wrappers, as opposed to true web services – a great interim solution to whet the palate.

]]> By: nyc_architect http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217461 nyc_architect Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:11:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217461 hm, this seems pretty cool and useful. i can see the issues surrounding it though. it will be interesting to see how it develops. as far as getting weather into ical, <a href="http://www.wunderground.com" rel="nofollow">weather undergound</a> offers an ical feed for their forecasts. hm, this seems pretty cool and useful. i can see the issues surrounding it though. it will be interesting to see how it develops.

as far as getting weather into ical, weather undergound offers an ical feed for their forecasts.

]]> By: rickdog http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217452 rickdog Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:04:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217452 there are several posts here about stealing content. as long as attribution is given, i don't see what the diff is between dapper content and any blog post that contains content hand-pasted from another site. one's automated, the other's not. there are several posts here about stealing content. as long as attribution is given, i don’t see what the diff is between dapper content and any blog post that contains content hand-pasted from another site. one’s automated, the other’s not.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217334 Daniel Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:32:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217334 There are a several UI sore spots, but many should be very easy to fix. Dapper could truly rock, and I would find it *very* useful for my crawling needs. I hope they document their API a bit better too. There are a several UI sore spots, but many should be very easy to fix.

Dapper could truly rock, and I would find it *very* useful for my crawling needs. I hope they document their API a bit better too.

]]> By: NeoTechie http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217130 NeoTechie Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:54:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217130 Another great innovation brought to us via Web 2.0. Another great innovation brought to us via Web 2.0.

]]> By: www.techtagg.com - See Tech Taggers view on this story! http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-217030 www.techtagg.com - See Tech Taggers view on this story! Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:58:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-217030 <strong>Dapper puts weather.com (and Matisyahu) on your calendar...</strong> Since we profiled Israeli startup Dapper, the controversial and very intriguing service has added about 2,000 new data sources that anyone can mix and mash from sites around the web. That’s been done in one month. The company calls itself a way to ... Dapper puts weather.com (and Matisyahu) on your calendar…

Since we profiled Israeli startup Dapper, the controversial and very intriguing service has added about 2,000 new data sources that anyone can mix and mash from sites around the web. That’s been done in one month. The company calls itself a way to …

]]> By: Eric http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216860 Eric Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:50:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216860 Don't know whether or not this has been brought up before, but if you'll take a look at their demo video, their "constraints" feature did not work for the Digg submitter. When he (the presenter) is scrolling through all of the stories, all of the submitter columns are filled with "no value". Don’t know whether or not this has been brought up before, but if you’ll take a look at their demo video, their “constraints” feature did not work for the Digg submitter. When he (the presenter) is scrolling through all of the stories, all of the submitter columns are filled with “no value”.

]]> By: Awesom-o http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216825 Awesom-o Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:30:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216825 As far as using other peoples' content without permission, the old saying " the more things change the more they stay the same" applies! As far as using other peoples’ content without permission, the old saying ” the more things change the more they stay the same” applies!

]]> By: lemon obrien http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216813 lemon obrien Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:21:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216813 what i don't get...is...what about advertising.... you're essentially stealing content from one site to place in another; averting advertising from that site...now; if you advertise on your site, and got paid through advertising, would that be copyright violation; given the content is original? from say weather.com? and if this continues...where information is passed from one site to another...screen-scrapped, and advertising is subverted...will everyone go bankrupt? why pay for advertising when it will never be shown? what i don’t get…is…what about advertising….

you’re essentially stealing content from one site to place in another; averting advertising from that site…now; if you advertise on your site, and got paid through advertising, would that be copyright violation; given the content is original? from say weather.com?

and if this continues…where information is passed from one site to another…screen-scrapped, and advertising is subverted…will everyone go bankrupt?

why pay for advertising when it will never be shown?

]]> By: Jon http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216694 Jon Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:35:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216694 Thanks to everyone for the valuable feedback, as always. Sean: Check out the "advanced features" demo at http://www.dappit.com/dapperDemo/demos.php. You'll see that you can use the slider to control how much and which content is captured. Also, you should supply several examples to Dapper when creating your Dapp, as this will increase accuracy. To everyone else, we're all ears when it comes to UI suggestions. Thanks again, Jon Dapper Thanks to everyone for the valuable feedback, as always.

Sean: Check out the “advanced features” demo at http://www.dapp...rDemo/demos.php. You’ll see that you can use the slider to control how much and which content is captured. Also, you should supply several examples to Dapper when creating your Dapp, as this will increase accuracy.

To everyone else, we’re all ears when it comes to UI suggestions.

Thanks again,

Jon
Dapper

]]> By: Saeed El-Darahali http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216642 Saeed El-Darahali Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:53:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216642 This is a great tool. Mr. Kirkpatrick why don't you invest some money to allow them to hire a UI expert to make the site nice and smooth. Do you think this site is worthy of investing in? Saeed This is a great tool. Mr. Kirkpatrick why don’t you invest some money to allow them to hire a UI expert to make the site nice and smooth.

Do you think this site is worthy of investing in?

Saeed

]]> By: Startups.in/India http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216640 Startups.in/India Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:49:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216640 Yes. I was quite wrong. This indeed is a powerful tool. I now understand its use. Yes. I was quite wrong. This indeed is a powerful tool. I now understand its use.

]]> By: Sean http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216594 Sean Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:12:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216594 I played around with it, it is a very cool service, but yes it is a bit hard to use... then again most tools that are this powerful usually have a learning curve. My first test was scraping yahoo movies for showtimes from whatever specified theater, this is actually something I just accomplished the other day with PHP and regex so I thought it would be a good test. I dont know if there was some sort of advanced mode, but for some of the fields I was trying to get it to capture , it would also capture some other ones that it thought were related but actually weren't. They were highlighted a different color (either green or red instead of yellow) though so I think that means a "kind of" match, but I couldn't find anything that let me specificy exactly which ones I wanted. Oh well... I will definitely be playing around with it some more. I love how you can export the results in so many different formats (html, xml, ical, goole gadget, etc)... very cool. I played around with it, it is a very cool service, but yes it is a bit hard to use… then again most tools that are this powerful usually have a learning curve.

My first test was scraping yahoo movies for showtimes from whatever specified theater, this is actually something I just accomplished the other day with PHP and regex so I thought it would be a good test. I dont know if there was some sort of advanced mode, but for some of the fields I was trying to get it to capture , it would also capture some other ones that it thought were related but actually weren’t. They were highlighted a different color (either green or red instead of yellow) though so I think that means a “kind of” match, but I couldn’t find anything that let me specificy exactly which ones I wanted.

Oh well… I will definitely be playing around with it some more. I love how you can export the results in so many different formats (html, xml, ical, goole gadget, etc)… very cool.

]]> By: Jorge http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216590 Jorge Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216590 It's one thing to re-publish SOMEONE ELSE'S content when you have permission, but it's another thing entirely to just go ahead and publish their content without permission, especially if you plan on making money doing so. Content owners shouldn't have to opt-out of shit like this; users are supposed to opt-in. This is because there are so many more users than content owners that it would be impossible for content owners to know when and where they have to opt-out. I hope this company gets shut down or blocked by all the services their stealing from. Shit like this gives Web 2.0 a really bad name. Oh...and a good portion of the sites that Dapper's lifting from already have their own APIs, none of which allow commercial redistribution but which all allow using the content on one's own site or applications. It’s one thing to re-publish SOMEONE ELSE’S content when you have permission, but it’s another thing entirely to just go ahead and publish their content without permission, especially if you plan on making money doing so.

Content owners shouldn’t have to opt-out of shit like this; users are supposed to opt-in. This is because there are so many more users than content owners that it would be impossible for content owners to know when and where they have to opt-out.

I hope this company gets shut down or blocked by all the services their stealing from.

Shit like this gives Web 2.0 a really bad name.

Oh…and a good portion of the sites that Dapper’s lifting from already have their own APIs, none of which allow commercial redistribution but which all allow using the content on one’s own site or applications.

]]> By: Joel Strellner http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216340 Joel Strellner Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:28:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216340 I actually kind of like the interface the way it is. It is pretty straight forward and doesn't include fluff that you don't need. I actually kind of like the interface the way it is. It is pretty straight forward and doesn’t include fluff that you don’t need.

]]> By: yaron http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-216281 yaron Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:29:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-216281 I agree, it is a great service with a great potential but they must improve two main issues: the design and the simplicity of the service. You may find more coverage on Israeli startups (in Hebrew) in the following blog: www.thecoils.com I agree, it is a great service with a great potential but they must improve two main issues: the design and the simplicity of the service. You may find more coverage on Israeli startups (in Hebrew) in the following blog: http://www.thecoils.com

]]> By: Anton http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-215955 Anton Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:45:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-215955 i like the service.. very useful!...and i'm impressed with the way they churn features... i like the service.. very useful!…and i’m impressed with the way they churn features…

]]> By: Innovation Zen http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-215946 Innovation Zen Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:41:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-215946 Offering services that are easily integrated into other applications will be essential for many web 2.0 startups. Trying to hold stuff proprietary is an old mentality, and the successful companies are starting to realize that. Offering services that are easily integrated into other applications will be essential for many web 2.0 startups.

Trying to hold stuff proprietary is an old mentality, and the successful companies are starting to realize that.

]]> By: Startups.in/India http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/comment-page-1/#comment-215908 Startups.in/India Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:13:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/23/dapper-puts-weathercom-and-matisyahu-on-your-calendar/#comment-215908 Why can't some simply include the javascript/widget provided by weather.com into their site? Why go through this hassle of dapping? http://www.dappit.com/transform.php?dappName=10DayWeatherForecast&transformer=HTML&variableArg_0=94086 Why can’t some simply include the javascript/widget provided by weather.com into their site?
Why go through this hassle of dapping?
http://www.dapp...ableArg_0=94086

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