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		<title>By: Encyclopedia Britannica Now Free For Bloggers &#124; MyDiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-2204342</link>
		<dc:creator>Encyclopedia Britannica Now Free For Bloggers &#124; MyDiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so they’ll have a claim to be more authoritative. This is, by the way, the business model of Citizendium, created by Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Encyclopedia Britannica Now Free For Bloggers</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-2194076</link>
		<dc:creator>Encyclopedia Britannica Now Free For Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so they&#8217;ll have a claim to be more authoritative. This is, by the way, the business model of Citizendium, created by Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Old is the New New :: History Carnival XL</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-1410995</link>
		<dc:creator>Old is the New New :: History Carnival XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium, a more top-down, less free-for-all wiki encyclopedia that TechCrunch dubs &#8220;Wikipedia for stick-in-the-muds.&#8221; There&#8217;s a market for that, I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium, a more top-down, less free-for-all wiki encyclopedia that TechCrunch dubs &#8220;Wikipedia for stick-in-the-muds.&#8221; There&#8217;s a market for that, I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: firewall</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-561381</link>
		<dc:creator>firewall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luogo interessante, buon disegno, lo gradisco, signore! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luogo interessante, buon disegno, lo gradisco, signore! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Kali Tal</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-500389</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For another perspective on Citizendium and on Larry Sanger's policies, please visit http://www.kalital.com, where there is a lively discussion taking place about Sanger's policy of excluding Ethnic and Gender studies from the Citizendium category system.  

Despite its claim to Enlightenment principles and neutrality, Sanger has clear political biases which are expressed in his stated policies about Citizendium.  Ethnic studies and Gender studies scholars have been repeatedly challenged by Sanger to prove that their disciplines have worth, and they are subject to a level of scrutiny not visited upon scholars in disciplines Sanger considers to be legitimate. 

As a result, an entry like "African American Literature" is subject to political manipulation: African Americanist scholars who attempted to engage in revision of the original Wikipedia article were challenged on such basic notions as the existence of an "African diaspora". 

In the field of African American studies, the fact of the African diaspora is well-established, though the nature of that diaspora is subject to lively debate.  Sanger's declaration that the scholars who represent majority opinion in the field are "biased" or "political" is suspect, especially when the claim of bias is visited primarily on disciplines in which women and people of color make up the majority of scholars. The biases of scholars in fields that are made up of a majority of white, male scholars are emphatically not a concern to Sanger.

You are welcome to stop by my blog and read a lengthier analysis of the problem, along with the substantive comments that have been posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For another perspective on Citizendium and on Larry Sanger&#8217;s policies, please visit <a href="http://www.kalital.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kalital.com</a>, where there is a lively discussion taking place about Sanger&#8217;s policy of excluding Ethnic and Gender studies from the Citizendium category system.  </p>
<p>Despite its claim to Enlightenment principles and neutrality, Sanger has clear political biases which are expressed in his stated policies about Citizendium.  Ethnic studies and Gender studies scholars have been repeatedly challenged by Sanger to prove that their disciplines have worth, and they are subject to a level of scrutiny not visited upon scholars in disciplines Sanger considers to be legitimate. </p>
<p>As a result, an entry like &#8220;African American Literature&#8221; is subject to political manipulation: African Americanist scholars who attempted to engage in revision of the original Wikipedia article were challenged on such basic notions as the existence of an &#8220;African diaspora&#8221;. </p>
<p>In the field of African American studies, the fact of the African diaspora is well-established, though the nature of that diaspora is subject to lively debate.  Sanger&#8217;s declaration that the scholars who represent majority opinion in the field are &#8220;biased&#8221; or &#8220;political&#8221; is suspect, especially when the claim of bias is visited primarily on disciplines in which women and people of color make up the majority of scholars. The biases of scholars in fields that are made up of a majority of white, male scholars are emphatically not a concern to Sanger.</p>
<p>You are welcome to stop by my blog and read a lengthier analysis of the problem, along with the substantive comments that have been posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Medias 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-303175</link>
		<dc:creator>Medias 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quand la politique rattrape le média 2.0...&lt;/strong&gt;

Quand la politique rattrape le média 2.0. 
Passionnant le sujet de Ségolène et du tirage au sort. Il pose la question de : comment devient-on un expert ? Et je me pose la question : comment cela s'applique-t-il dans les médias 2.0 ?...</description>
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<p>Quand la politique rattrape le média 2.0.<br />
Passionnant le sujet de Ségolène et du tirage au sort. Il pose la question de : comment devient-on un expert ? Et je me pose la question : comment cela s&#8217;applique-t-il dans les médias 2.0 ?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Britannica Should Have Won This War Years Ago &#187; Doctor Recommended</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-236216</link>
		<dc:creator>Britannica Should Have Won This War Years Ago &#187; Doctor Recommended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Note: Michael Arrington has some thoughtworthy (sic) comments regarding Nupedia, Citizendium and Digital Universe. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bizzyblog &#187; Wikipedia Version 2: Promise and Peril</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-209075</link>
		<dc:creator>Bizzyblog &#187; Wikipedia Version 2: Promise and Peril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From TechCrunch: Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has announced that his new knowledge sharing wiki project called Citizendium will launch at the end of this month or earlier. The defining characteristic of the site is that topic experts will have final, enforceable authority to “resolve” controversy and kick out trolls. Citizendium will be a progressive fork of Wikipedia, allowing its own community to change Wikipedia articles but also offering Wikipedia’s version of those that haven’t been edited in Citizendium. Sanger says the topic experts will function like village elders or college professors - they’ll simply make the wiki a civilized place. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From TechCrunch: Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has announced that his new knowledge sharing wiki project called Citizendium will launch at the end of this month or earlier. The defining characteristic of the site is that topic experts will have final, enforceable authority to “resolve” controversy and kick out trolls. Citizendium will be a progressive fork of Wikipedia, allowing its own community to change Wikipedia articles but also offering Wikipedia’s version of those that haven’t been edited in Citizendium. Sanger says the topic experts will function like village elders or college professors - they’ll simply make the wiki a civilized place. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-205114</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-205115</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-205116</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-205117</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-19&#160;&#124; Bark at the Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? (Marshall Kirkpatrick @ Techcrunch) Vacuous; see the StrayPackets post for a damning critique. See comment 11 for effort biases (and compare, say, the Naruto entries with the Sociology entries), and see comment 12 for profound ignorance of what knowledge means. (tags: knowledge-communities DemoPol anti-intellectualism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grandes Poches &#187; links for 2006-09-19</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-205087</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandes Poches &#187; links for 2006-09-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? Citizendium, une alternative à Wikipedia ? (tags: internet) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203754</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel &lt;a href='http://www.grupus.com/' rel="nofollow"&gt;Grupus&lt;/a&gt; is providing a much better way to experts to create trustworthy information.
On the site, like-minded people can form exclusive groups (a maximum of only 12 members per group) which are viewable to everyone but can be maintained and edited only by group members to provide expert information in the field they specialize in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel <a href='http://www.grupus.com/' rel="nofollow">Grupus</a> is providing a much better way to experts to create trustworthy information.<br />
On the site, like-minded people can form exclusive groups (a maximum of only 12 members per group) which are viewable to everyone but can be maintained and edited only by group members to provide expert information in the field they specialize in.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptical about Citizendium at Ruminate</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203683</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptical about Citizendium at Ruminate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I expressed my skepticism about the Citizendium Wikipedia fork at TechCrunch&#8230; Clay Shirky has thoughtfully dismantled the most fundamental flaws in the conception of the project. Is there some new way around them I&#8217;m not seeing? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I expressed my skepticism about the Citizendium Wikipedia fork at TechCrunch&#8230; Clay Shirky has thoughtfully dismantled the most fundamental flaws in the conception of the project. Is there some new way around them I&#8217;m not seeing? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Page</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203438</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think hostility towards this is not necessary- the worse that can happen is Citizendium is a failure, the best that can happen is it is a success and these improvements are then incorporated into Wikipedia. I think the project is likely to fail, as with the rest of Larry's projects, and one can't help but feel that his reasons for starting it up are more about anger with Wikipedia than anything more positive (read &lt;a href="http://www.citizendium.org/essay.html#wp_probs" rel="nofollow"&gt;his WP problems page&lt;/a&gt; if you need to see the anger that he has, and as usual, some complaints about Jimmy Wales.

I find Jimmy rather annoying (his childish 'correction' of the article about himself showed how little he really 'gets' Wikipedia), and Larry is also frustrating - Wikipedia, however, is an amazing success, and I'll be putting my effort into improving that, but as I said at the start, good luck Citizendium - I'd be happy to help copy accross improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think hostility towards this is not necessary- the worse that can happen is Citizendium is a failure, the best that can happen is it is a success and these improvements are then incorporated into Wikipedia. I think the project is likely to fail, as with the rest of Larry&#8217;s projects, and one can&#8217;t help but feel that his reasons for starting it up are more about anger with Wikipedia than anything more positive (read <a href="http://www.citizendium.org/essay.html#wp_probs" rel="nofollow">his WP problems page</a> if you need to see the anger that he has, and as usual, some complaints about Jimmy Wales.</p>
<p>I find Jimmy rather annoying (his childish &#8216;correction&#8217; of the article about himself showed how little he really &#8216;gets&#8217; Wikipedia), and Larry is also frustrating - Wikipedia, however, is an amazing success, and I&#8217;ll be putting my effort into improving that, but as I said at the start, good luck Citizendium - I&#8217;d be happy to help copy accross improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Cefalu</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203214</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Cefalu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia?"

Why the question mark, you are reminding me of Fox News. They are famous for the usage of the question mark when pushing a point and not really a question.

Wikipedia is made so anyone can have access and modify code. Thats whats so unique about it. If Citizendium modified that to only select users, they are essentially just another CMS/blog, and we have too many of thoughs. Thank you Citizendium, but bugger off.</description>
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<p>Why the question mark, you are reminding me of Fox News. They are famous for the usage of the question mark when pushing a point and not really a question.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is made so anyone can have access and modify code. Thats whats so unique about it. If Citizendium modified that to only select users, they are essentially just another CMS/blog, and we have too many of thoughs. Thank you Citizendium, but bugger off.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203038</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JG- a moderated wiki, if it doesn't exist already, can't be very difficult to implement on top of existing open-source wikis.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203031</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #12: Most academics, even the left-leaning, at least have the decency to fairly summarize opposing viewpoints. In contrast, in my travels to the US, I've heard radio show hosts talk about the psyho-pathology of the liberals who think we puny humans can actually influence something as big as the Earth's climate.

That's how you decide who an expert is. Not on their opinion, but on whether they can stick to facts, and fairly represent differing viewpoints.

NPOV doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. If Citizendium can stick to NPOV with very opinionated editors, it will do us all a huge service. Even wikipedia can win, by re-incorporating articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #12: Most academics, even the left-leaning, at least have the decency to fairly summarize opposing viewpoints. In contrast, in my travels to the US, I&#8217;ve heard radio show hosts talk about the psyho-pathology of the liberals who think we puny humans can actually influence something as big as the Earth&#8217;s climate.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how you decide who an expert is. Not on their opinion, but on whether they can stick to facts, and fairly represent differing viewpoints.</p>
<p>NPOV doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t have an opinion. If Citizendium can stick to NPOV with very opinionated editors, it will do us all a huge service. Even wikipedia can win, by re-incorporating articles.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-203029</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

Are there other existing wiki technologies that allow a 'moderator' to manage the information posted to the wiki itself. Is the technology of what I understand this wiki to present, itself unique, or is it the concept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all,</p>
<p>Are there other existing wiki technologies that allow a &#8216;moderator&#8217; to manage the information posted to the wiki itself. Is the technology of what I understand this wiki to present, itself unique, or is it the concept?</p>
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		<title>By: PostBubble</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202523</link>
		<dc:creator>PostBubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Postbubble Podcast Episode 41 - Monday, September 18th, 2006...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here is our podcast for Monday, September 18th, 2006.  Today we discuss, a possible new Wikipedia endeavor, a partnership between AOL and Intel, a new Microsoft Office suite for the Mac and some speculation about something new from Google.
For those of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Postbubble Podcast Episode 41 - Monday, September 18th, 2006&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Here is our podcast for Monday, September 18th, 2006.  Today we discuss, a possible new Wikipedia endeavor, a partnership between AOL and Intel, a new Microsoft Office suite for the Mac and some speculation about something new from Google.<br />
For those of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202507</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think is interesting. I will be waiting to see how this turns out, Wikipedia, I guess, has become a victim of its own success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think is interesting. I will be waiting to see how this turns out, Wikipedia, I guess, has become a victim of its own success.</p>
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		<title>By: Beta Alfa 2.0 &#187; Citizendium</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202503</link>
		<dc:creator>Beta Alfa 2.0 &#187; Citizendium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202503</guid>
		<description>[...] TechCrunch: Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? &#8220;The Citizendium (sit-ih-ZEN-dee-um), a &#8216;citizens compendium of everything,&#8217; will be an experimental new wiki project that combines public participation with gentle expert guidance. It will begin life as a &#8216;progressive fork&#8217; of Wikipedia. But we expect it to take on a life of its own and, perhaps, to become the flagship of a new set of responsibly-managed free knowledge projects. We will avoid calling it an &#8216;encyclopedia,&#8217; because there will probably always be articles in the resource that have not been vouched for in any sense.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch: Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? &#8220;The Citizendium (sit-ih-ZEN-dee-um), a &#8216;citizens compendium of everything,&#8217; will be an experimental new wiki project that combines public participation with gentle expert guidance. It will begin life as a &#8216;progressive fork&#8217; of Wikipedia. But we expect it to take on a life of its own and, perhaps, to become the flagship of a new set of responsibly-managed free knowledge projects. We will avoid calling it an &#8216;encyclopedia,&#8217; because there will probably always be articles in the resource that have not been vouched for in any sense.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-18 at [MacStansbury]</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202219</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-18 at [MacStansbury]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? More on that whole Citizenawassits thing (tags: wikipedia techcrunch) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: a more civilized Wikipedia? More on that whole Citizenawassits thing (tags: wikipedia techcrunch) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Jive Interests &#187; Citizendium: An Evolution in Social Networking?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202135</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Jive Interests &#187; Citizendium: An Evolution in Social Networking?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/17/citizendiuma-more-civilized-wikipedia/#comment-202135</guid>
		<description>[...] Citizendium: An Evolution in Social Networking? September 17th, 2006 at 11:33 pm by Tony Today, one of the co-founders of Wikipedia Larry Sanger, has announced that he is creating a new entity called Citizendium as an offshoot of Wikipedia. Citizendium will be different from Wikipedia in the sense that Citizendium will have individuals acting as &#8220;judges&#8221; or &#8220;referees&#8221; for many different topics who will have the final say for a particular entry. We&#8217;ve already seen TechCrunch and Crunchnotes weigh in. So has Nick Carr. I&#8217;m not sure if they&#8217;re all missing the point. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Citizendium: An Evolution in Social Networking? September 17th, 2006 at 11:33 pm by Tony Today, one of the co-founders of Wikipedia Larry Sanger, has announced that he is creating a new entity called Citizendium as an offshoot of Wikipedia. Citizendium will be different from Wikipedia in the sense that Citizendium will have individuals acting as &#8220;judges&#8221; or &#8220;referees&#8221; for many different topics who will have the final say for a particular entry. We&#8217;ve already seen TechCrunch and Crunchnotes weigh in. So has Nick Carr. I&#8217;m not sure if they&#8217;re all missing the point. [...]</p>
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