Comments on: Interview With Kiko Acquiror Elliot Noss http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/ Startup and Tech News Fri, 16 May 2008 10:40:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: 網站創業家 vs. 地下樂團 (Mr. 6) http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-261257 網站創業家 vs. 地下樂團 (Mr. 6) Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:42:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-261257 [...] 最近VentureBeat提出一個叫做「VentureBoard」新服務，為小型網站公司提供一個線上買賣市場，在上面買服務、在上面找股東、最後在上面賣掉自己整間公司。顯然，他們看到已有好幾家網站公司選擇在eBay上面把自己賣掉（如Kiko、jux2、DigForIt），但在eBay只能死板的作基本買賣交易，事實上關心這種事情的人也希望同時有其他的服務，譬如投資公司部份股權、多認識此公司、討論區、或法律、財務、行銷等其他專業服務(professional services)，於是「VentureBoard」讓有公司的可以賣公司，有錢的可以買公司，有服務的可以賣服務，所有有興趣的人都可以常常上來聽聽風聲。 [...] […] 最近VentureBeat提出一個叫做「VentureBoard」新服務，為小型網站公司提供一個線上買賣市場，在上面買服務、在上面找股東、最後在上面賣掉自己整間公司。顯然，他們看到已有好幾家網站公司選擇在eBay上面把自己賣掉（如Kiko、jux2、DigForIt），但在eBay只能死板的作基本買賣交易，事實上關心這種事情的人也希望同時有其他的服務，譬如投資公司部份股權、多認識此公司、討論區、或法律、財務、行銷等其他專業服務(professional services)，於是「VentureBoard」讓有公司的可以賣公司，有錢的可以買公司，有服務的可以賣服務，所有有興趣的人都可以常常上來聽聽風聲。 […]

]]> By: Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Kiko Flatlines http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-240710 Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Kiko Flatlines Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:47:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-240710 [...] It looks like they just weren’t able to monetize their free consumer subscriptions and never actualized the enterprise solution they sought. The eBay auction asks for a $50k starting bid and reports that the site is currently getting about 40,000 visitors per month. We’ve been hearing about more and more companies put on eBay for auction lately, but this one’s got a particularly somber feel to it that seems to warrant a deadpool post. It’s a good looking service though, so perhaps some one else will pick it up and run with it. Kiko interface designer Richard White has a euglogy here. Update: See this post on the acquisition of Kiko’s assets. DEADPOOL, Kiko [...] […] It looks like they just weren’t able to monetize their free consumer subscriptions and never actualized the enterprise solution they sought. The eBay auction asks for a $50k starting bid and reports that the site is currently getting about 40,000 visitors per month. We’ve been hearing about more and more companies put on eBay for auction lately, but this one’s got a particularly somber feel to it that seems to warrant a deadpool post. It’s a good looking service though, so perhaps some one else will pick it up and run with it. Kiko interface designer Richard White has a euglogy here. Update: See this post on the acquisition of Kiko’s assets. DEADPOOL, Kiko […]

]]> By: Trabajar sin Conexión http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-188257 Trabajar sin Conexión Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:06:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-188257 <strong>¿Cansado de tu proyecto web?. Ponlo en Ebay...</strong> Ebay es el gran zoco mundial. Y lo es para todo tipo de productos, incluyendo web sites y dominios. Así que no es extraño que ahora lo sea para la web 2.0. En pocos días he visto la venta de...... ¿Cansado de tu proyecto web?. Ponlo en Ebay…

Ebay es el gran zoco mundial. Y lo es para todo tipo de productos, incluyendo web sites y dominios. Así que no es extraño que ahora lo sea para la web 2.0. En pocos días he visto la venta de……

]]> By: Kiko - El calendario web 2.0 vendido en e-bay por 250K $ « Otro blog + http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-187305 Kiko - El calendario web 2.0 vendido en e-bay por 250K $ « Otro blog + Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:57:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-187305 [...] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Interview With Kiko Acquiror Elliot Noss Posted by lucasrodriguezcervera Filed in Emprender [...] […] Techcrunch » Blog Archive » Interview With Kiko Acquiror Elliot Noss Posted by lucasrodriguezcervera Filed in Emprender […]

]]> By: Stephan Tual | Terapad.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-180111 Stephan Tual | Terapad.com Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:20:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-180111 Aibek (#23), I disagree, First, I've read that on startups.gigaom.com that Kiko’s angel round was $50,000 in convertible debt, which is more realistic figure of its development cost, and might explain the initial ebay 50k bid. Second, (and I quote an onstartup post, refering to kiko's # of users and page views) - "... nowhere in the eBay listing do I see a value associated to those assets (what they are valuing primarily is the domain name and the source code). I find that somewhat telling...." Finally, and I'm not sure if someone has mentionned that yet, but those servers must cost quite a bit to maintain, so basically when you buy Kiko you buy a lot of maintenance cost as well. I think whoever made that comment earlier is right, Elliot Noss might have done it because 1) it's really good PR (the sale generated quite a buzz, give Tucows that 'edgy' feel they had lost, for example) and 2) it won't dent Tucows's budget in any way whatsoever. Aibek (#23), I disagree,

First, I’ve read that on startups.gigaom.com that Kiko’s angel round was $50,000 in convertible debt, which is more realistic figure of its development cost, and might explain the initial ebay 50k bid.

Second, (and I quote an onstartup post, refering to kiko’s # of users and page views) - “… nowhere in the eBay listing do I see a value associated to those assets (what they are valuing primarily is the domain name and the source code). I find that somewhat telling….”

Finally, and I’m not sure if someone has mentionned that yet, but those servers must cost quite a bit to maintain, so basically when you buy Kiko you buy a lot of maintenance cost as well.

I think whoever made that comment earlier is right, Elliot Noss might have done it because 1) it’s really good PR (the sale generated quite a buzz, give Tucows that ‘edgy’ feel they had lost, for example) and 2) it won’t dent Tucows’s budget in any way whatsoever.

]]> By: 小小研究員的學習之路 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179592 小小研究員的學習之路 Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:36:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179592 <strong>KIKO事件總結整理...</strong> http://tb.donews.net/TrackBack.aspx?PostId=1010326... KIKO事件總結整理…

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]]> By: VentureBeat » Roundup: Slim Devices, ChaCha, Digg, eBay ibank of Web 2.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179582 VentureBeat » Roundup: Slim Devices, ChaCha, Digg, eBay ibank of Web 2.0 Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:29:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179582 [...] Has eBay become the investment bank for Web 2.0? — With Web calendar company Kiko being bought on eBay for $250,000 by another company Tucows, this is a question being posed lately about eBay being posed lately. Om first joked about eBay setting a new floor on investment banking fees about a few days ago. Now Techcrunch is talking about it as a serious way for Web 2.0 companies to be bought. There are more showing up. Indeed, what if companies decide to put a permanent listing prices up at eBay, disclosing the lowest price they’d agree to be sold for — even if they weren’t desperate for a sale yet? They could keep changing the offer price, depending on their own assesment of their promise. In Kiko’s case, of course, the company had run out of steam, and wanted to make whatever it could from a sale of its assets. And Tucows, which wanted a basic calendar company for its own use, made the move. Tucows probably wouldn’t have found out, without eBay. Conclusion: The risks associated with starting a Web company, already reduced because of the very low costs involved, have just gotten even lower. Maybe that’s why you see even more Web calendars still launching (ok, we don’t mean to snark here; the company at least has some differentiating features such as voice-enabled entries, and new ways of synching.) [...] […] Has eBay become the investment bank for Web 2.0? — With Web calendar company Kiko being bought on eBay for $250,000 by another company Tucows, this is a question being posed lately about eBay being posed lately. Om first joked about eBay setting a new floor on investment banking fees about a few days ago. Now Techcrunch is talking about it as a serious way for Web 2.0 companies to be bought. There are more showing up. Indeed, what if companies decide to put a permanent listing prices up at eBay, disclosing the lowest price they’d agree to be sold for — even if they weren’t desperate for a sale yet? They could keep changing the offer price, depending on their own assesment of their promise. In Kiko’s case, of course, the company had run out of steam, and wanted to make whatever it could from a sale of its assets. And Tucows, which wanted a basic calendar company for its own use, made the move. Tucows probably wouldn’t have found out, without eBay. Conclusion: The risks associated with starting a Web company, already reduced because of the very low costs involved, have just gotten even lower. Maybe that’s why you see even more Web calendars still launching (ok, we don’t mean to snark here; the company at least has some differentiating features such as voice-enabled entries, and new ways of synching.) […]

]]> By: aibek esengulov http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179116 aibek esengulov Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:06:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-179116 While I am quite surprised that kiko pulled of 250k, i would disagree with many people that the better way would be to hire freelancers from india/china/vietnam etc and do it for less then 1000. Mainly because kiko was not selling only software but at the same time users(40.000 u.v./month), which are coming to kiko not through search engine but through direct request which makes quite a difference. So the question here how much would you pay for 40.000 visitors/month that will keep coming back. While I am quite surprised that kiko pulled of 250k, i would disagree with many people that the better way would be to hire freelancers from india/china/vietnam etc and do it for less then 1000. Mainly because kiko was not selling only software but at the same time users(40.000 u.v./month), which are coming to kiko not through search engine but through direct request which makes quite a difference. So the question here how much would you pay for 40.000 visitors/month that will keep coming back.

]]> By: naustrand http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178952 naustrand Fri, 08 Sep 2006 05:15:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178952 @ Jimmy and Andre (and supporting what they say) I totally agree, its the combined package which the bidders wanted - the code, tested product, userbase, popularity (which is only increasing owing to all this coverage its getting). And the last two take much more time and resources than people might think, and its still not assured after all that. Considering that similar web too.0(sic) apps crop up faster than anyone can say 'hey, i thought of that first!', all the (un)/popularity does not go waste. Raphael mentioned that there are a lot of crappy websites on sale at eBay, but this one is the one being talked about at the moment and that gives it just the coverage it needs, especially now. Oh, and since everyone's badgering Mike, i'll just say that dude, words strung together do make sentences, but ever heard of the concept of not talking when you dont know about something. Even if Indians are creating garbage (not that i'm endorsing that), and even if you think that they charge less than you would, what is your problem there? Apparently, you've never heard of the concept of 'com.pe.tition'. lol. @ Jimmy and Andre (and supporting what they say)
I totally agree, its the combined package which the bidders wanted - the code, tested product, userbase, popularity (which is only increasing owing to all this coverage its getting). And the last two take much more time and resources than people might think, and its still not assured after all that.

Considering that similar web too.0(sic) apps crop up faster than anyone can say ‘hey, i thought of that first!’, all the (un)/popularity does not go waste.

Raphael mentioned that there are a lot of crappy websites on sale at eBay, but this one is the one being talked about at the moment and that gives it just the coverage it needs, especially now.

Oh, and since everyone’s badgering Mike, i’ll just say that dude, words strung together do make sentences, but ever heard of the concept of not talking when you dont know about something. Even if Indians are creating garbage (not that i’m endorsing that), and even if you think that they charge less than you would, what is your problem there? Apparently, you’ve never heard of the concept of ‘com.pe.tition’. lol.

]]> By: zoomr http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178638 zoomr Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:53:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178638 @Mike .. let me guess you got fired for incompetence and someone competent from India took your place at a third the price. A little bitter are we? LOL! @Mike .. let me guess you got fired for incompetence and someone competent from India took your place at a third the price. A little bitter are we? LOL!

]]> By: Asif http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178444 Asif Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:03:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178444 Ah, does this mean I do not even have to look for VC funding for my new venture <a href="http://www.mustfeed.com" rel="nofollow">MustFeed.com</a>? Kiko was funded by the <a href="http://ycombinator.com/" rel="nofollow">Y Combinator group</a> but I doubt $6,000n of funding (where n is the number of founders) would get a start-up anywhere. More than the money, it is probably the business expertise and buzz creation abilities that start-ups are probably interested in. @Mike, if India was creating garbage, I don't see how the consulting firms like Infosys could grow at rates greater than 30% a year over the last five years. Ah, does this mean I do not even have to look for VC funding for my new venture MustFeed.com?

Kiko was funded by the Y Combinator group but I doubt $6,000n of funding (where n is the number of founders) would get a start-up anywhere. More than the money, it is probably the business expertise and buzz creation abilities that start-ups are probably interested in.

@Mike, if India was creating garbage, I don’t see how the consulting firms like Infosys could grow at rates greater than 30% a year over the last five years.

]]> By: The weblog of Kelly Smith - web slave since 1994 » Blog Archive » Sell your start-up on eBay? http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178235 The weblog of Kelly Smith - web slave since 1994 » Blog Archive » Sell your start-up on eBay? Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:39:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178235 [...] Techcrunch writes of Kiko selling on eBay. Too funny. I touched on this awhile ago in a post http://blog.curiousoffice.com/?p=59 about this very thing happening. I have no crystal ball but this is what happens when you can start something cool for a few hundred grand. You can take six months to do it and make $100,000 on eBay or work a job for six months. Many young developers, particularly overseas, will start to do this as their planned exit. Just watch! [...] […] Techcrunch writes of Kiko selling on eBay. Too funny. I touched on this awhile ago in a post http://blog.curiousoffice.com/?p=59 about this very thing happening. I have no crystal ball but this is what happens when you can start something cool for a few hundred grand. You can take six months to do it and make $100,000 on eBay or work a job for six months. Many young developers, particularly overseas, will start to do this as their planned exit. Just watch! […]

]]> By: Kelly Smith http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178233 Kelly Smith Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:35:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178233 Hey, I think I said this eBay thing about web2.0 start-ups some time ago:) http://blog.curiousoffice.com/?p=59 Hey, I think I said this eBay thing about web2.0 start-ups some time ago:)

http://blog.curiousoffice.com/?p=59

]]> By: Josh http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178146 Josh Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:12:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-178146 I'd probably suggest that SitePoint's Marketplace (www.sitepoint.com/marketplace/) is a better place to sell a website than eBay. Far less low quality sites to sift through and potentially more qualified buyers. Though if you get the kind of press Kiko got, it might not matter. (Disclaimer, I am a [volunteer] moderator at SitePoint's forums... so I'm something of a fan) I’d probably suggest that SitePoint’s Marketplace (www.sitepoint.com/marketplace/) is a better place to sell a website than eBay. Far less low quality sites to sift through and potentially more qualified buyers. Though if you get the kind of press Kiko got, it might not matter.

(Disclaimer, I am a [volunteer] moderator at SitePoint’s forums… so I’m something of a fan)

]]> By: Raj http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177976 Raj Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:46:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177976 @ Mike Because everything created in India is garbage and everything in the Western world is not. I love the generalizations that people make. It shows serious ignorance. @ Mike

Because everything created in India is garbage and everything in the Western world is not. I love the generalizations that people make. It shows serious ignorance.

]]> By: Serge Lescouarnec http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177935 Serge Lescouarnec Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:13:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177935 Is is the issue of too many people chasing the same stuff (duplicating). Of all these types of tools the one that really impressed me was 'Zimbra'. I think Zimbra needs to be installed on a server though which I do not have. Have a good day Serge Biz: http://www.njconcierges.com Blog: http://www.sergetheconcierge.com Is is the issue of too many people chasing the same stuff (duplicating).
Of all these types of tools the one that really impressed me was ‘Zimbra’.
I think Zimbra needs to be installed on a server though which I do not have.

Have a good day

Serge
Biz:
http://www.njconcierges.com
Blog:
http://www.sergetheconcierge.com

]]> By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Kikoの落札者、Elliot Nossをインタビュー http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177917 TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ » Kikoの落札者、Elliot Nossをインタビュー Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:49:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177917 [...] [原文へ] Kiko [...] […] [原文へ] Kiko […]

]]> By: overcast http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177882 overcast Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:57:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177882 Am I the only one who believes these endless iterations of online "office" applications are totally pointless? I applaud the technical aspect of the work, but honestly, does anyone actually use this stuff for daily activities, and PAYS for it?! Am I the only one who believes these endless iterations of online “office” applications are totally pointless? I applaud the technical aspect of the work, but honestly, does anyone actually use this stuff for daily activities, and PAYS for it?!

]]> By: Andre http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177879 Andre Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:55:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177879 250K does seem like too much for the calendar system. I figure that 3 guys working on it as a contract could get it down in 4-6 months (or less?) for a salary split three ways... and ~80K I would think is pretty good when you reduce the amount of work. But I guess he's paying for something that already exists, has been tested to some degree, has popularity, and has a domain? So actually, maybe it's not such a bad deal if he can turn the investment into a winner. 250K does seem like too much for the calendar system. I figure that 3 guys working on it as a contract could get it down in 4-6 months (or less?) for a salary split three ways… and ~80K I would think is pretty good when you reduce the amount of work.

But I guess he’s paying for something that already exists, has been tested to some degree, has popularity, and has a domain? So actually, maybe it’s not such a bad deal if he can turn the investment into a winner.

]]> By: Chris Heuer http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177870 Chris Heuer Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:37:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177870 My friends in New Orleans at http://www.huckabuck.com/ have put their search interface up for sale on ebay as well - http://cgi.ebay.com/Huckabuck-com-Web-2-0-Search-Engine_W0QQitemZ180023313880QQihZ008QQcategoryZ46688QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Definitely looks like an interesting trend - will be very interested to see how many of these companies that are not going to make it end up with the same fate... My friends in New Orleans at http://www.huckabuck.com/ have put their search interface up for sale on ebay as well - http://cgi.ebay.com/Huckabuck-.....dZViewItem

Definitely looks like an interesting trend - will be very interested to see how many of these companies that are not going to make it end up with the same fate…

]]> By: Mike http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177855 Mike Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:10:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177855 They are moving it back because they want it done right and working right, rather than the garbage they create in India ... sort of like Kiko I guess. They are moving it back because they want it done right and working right, rather than the garbage they create in India … sort of like Kiko I guess.

]]> By: Mark Evans http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177836 Mark Evans Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:45:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177836 <strong>Well, Well: Tucows Bought Kiko...</strong> It turns out the mystery eBay buyer for Kiko was Tucows Inc. and my friend, Elliot Noss. Noss explains the Toronto-based company's rational in a lengthy post. Essentially, it boils down to Tucows' need for a calendar application within its e-mail&nb... Well, Well: Tucows Bought Kiko…

It turns out the mystery eBay buyer for Kiko was Tucows Inc. and my friend, Elliot Noss. Noss explains the Toronto-based company’s rational in a lengthy post. Essentially, it boils down to Tucows’ need for a calendar application within its e-mail&nb…

]]> By: me http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177820 me Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:29:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177820 A few engineers in India? Haven't you heard? Corporations are moving the work back home. It ended up costing us a lot lot more.. A few engineers in India? Haven’t you heard? Corporations are moving the work back home. It ended up costing us a lot lot more..

]]> By: me http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177819 me Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:27:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177819 I've heard they buggered Kiko right under Paul Graham's nose, what a steal! I’ve heard they buggered Kiko right under Paul Graham’s nose, what a steal!

]]> By: Mike http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177813 Mike Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:22:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/interview-with-kiko-acquiror-elliot-noss/#comment-177813 Big waste of money ... a few engineers in India could have built what you needed for $25K not $250K Big waste of money … a few engineers in India could have built what you needed for $25K not $250K

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